Council OKs splitting downtown into 2 new districts Comments on Stories, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Nov 28, 2012 at 8:15 am
The Pleasanton City Council Tuesday night approved a new plan to split downtown businesses into two districts to promote more late-night entertainment in the Main Street area but curb noise and operating hours for businesses closer to downtown homes and apartments.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 7:59 AM
Posted by Frank Lynn, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 8:15 am
With all due respect to Ms. Cook-Kalio and the Peters Avenue residents - allowing businesses to be open an additional hour and be four decibels louder will have minimal impact on their lives and property values. In fact, if Pleasanton downtown improves, property values will go up throughout the town.
Also, how can Cook-Kalio state that this decision was "arbitrary?" It seems incremental, planned and well thought out. Having a bureaucratic regulation authority issuing special use permits that made decisions not on a law, plan or principle (and most likely on political connections) sounds more "arbitrary" to me. I would think as a "progressive," she would have been for this - but I do give her credit for representing her constituents - even if their opinion is in the minority.
Downtowns are meant to be noisy, happening places with entertainment.
The Pleasanton city council should take a field trip to Livermore, San Mateo and Palo Alto downtowns if they want to see how it's done.
You can't move by the airport and complain about airplane noise.
Posted by Michael, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 8:50 am
While this is progress it is astounding that it took 3 years to come up with this minor and logical adjustment? No wonder Pleasanton has problems. We have a local government that does not understand that a city is like a businss and needs to adapt. Have these people considered what will happen to property values and taxes when downtown shuts down due to lack of business? I moved walking distance close to downtown for the entertainment. Now I find myself driving 6 miles to Livermore as it is more lively. Many nights Livermore has crowds of people out on the streets and in the establishments but when I drive though Pleasanton on the way home it is dead, empty, no one out. Livermore remodeled First Street with wider sidewalks, they build a parking garage and they help businesses get established. When I talk with Pleasanton business owners they tell me that they are barely surviving, that the city fees are very high and it takes forever to get anything done. This needs to change.
Posted by Annie Karouser, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 9:01 am
I personally would love to see a few more drunks carousing our downtown streets late at night. You see, in downtown areas, where merchants and residents share space, everything should be treated like a business. If you don't like having to wait until the noise abates before going to bed, just move. Business trumps all. A little more Walmart, with noise and drunks, and a few more quiet, mousey types, would be good for any company. Therefore, it would be good for our town. Quiet types? Just go away! Or lighten up and have a drink, shout on the sidewalks, and screech your tires once in a while. It's all good for home values. Logically yours,
Posted by love downtown, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 9:16 am
I agree that we need to make downtown Pleasanton a destination for "nightlife". The opinion that the town closes up at 9:00 is alive and needs to end. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction.
And Joe Barone, you are not the oldest restaurant in downtown Pleasanton. Strizzi's have been in town for more than 22 years. I know that for sure as we had our wedding dinner tastings at the restaurant here in Pleasanton and we've been married for almost 23 years.
Posted by Frank Lynn, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 10:03 am
@ Annie - have you seen drunks at night in downtown Pleasanton? Fortunately, I've never seen drunks, nor panhandlers nor vagrants downtown. In fact, the one time I thought I saw a street person, it turned out to be a bronze statue of a Veteran on a bench!
I do understand your concerns about attracting a bad demographic from out of town. For instance, if troubled Club Neo would relocate downtown - downtown Pleasanton would be ruined overnight. Personally, I don't see how Club Neo is allowed to operate with all the violence problems- read its Yelp! page and all of the patrons are from the East Bay. But live music venues where pop/rock music is played are common in Livermore and Danville are sucking away the under 60 crowd in Pleasanton.
I'd like to see our downtown be a safe nighttime destination for young people.
Posted by Al. Bronzini, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 10:08 am
I was in business Downtown in the 80's when it was really quiet, no noise, no customers, no nothing and the sidewalks rolled up at six P.M. I would caution about coming down too hard with regulations and restrictins on businesses, they have spent their own money to become successful. They are the ones that generate the tax revenue that is so desperately needed, the last thing we need is for Pleasanton to gain a reputation of not being business friendly, that attitude has got to stop or businesses will go where they more welcomed.
Posted by KC, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 10:20 am
yay! liven up our downtown! Pleasanton needs it. Downtown is boring, except for Barrones and Red Coats. We go to Livermore downtown more often now because it is livelier. sorry if i spelled livelier wrong. I think if Pleasanton police bumped up their patrol downtown after 9 pm, making sure our town is safe, everyone would be happy, even the residents that live close to downtown. Of course, there are always those who are not happy with anything. but I say go for it Ptown!
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 10:35 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Lots of comparisons to Livermore downtown yet no one mentions how it lacks traditional residential areas next to those swinging downtown Livermore joints. They have some new multi-family residential they've recently built with all the latest in sound mitigation technology and a more urban feel that sets a different resident lifestyle expectation. I also think Livermore's downtown is bigger than Pleasanton's, more spread out, wider streets. Livermore's traditional residential areas are a good several blocks away from their downtown. These aspects of the built environment facilitate the differences between our downtowns and what can be accomplished.
Posted by Ptown Dad, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 10:41 am
It's about time! I'm not a late-night partier, but a few times I've wanted to go downtown for a late dinner or dessert and it looks like a ghost town after 9:00 pm. We need more entertainment options downtown. Our "downtown" is quieter than most, and will continue to be so even with the new regulations. When you buy a home near a downtown area you should expect traffic to be heavier and noise to be higher. If that's not what you want, there are many other quieter places in Pleasanton to live. We can't be held hostage by old-timers who with their NIMBY attitudes.
Posted by Fred, a resident of Livermore, on Nov 28, 2012 at 11:10 am
I would go downtown if I could walk down the street. With all the oustside dining I couldn't make it past people coming the other way. There are areas where it gets single file on the sidewalk. Widen the sidewalks, I don't have that problem in Livermore.
Posted by Livermore, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 11:48 am
And no one mentions that Livermore created their great downtown using redevelopment funds - and the result is they have starved other city services, cut back on fire and police, and can't balance their budget. Pleasanton balances its budget yearly and has millions ion reserve. What do you Pleasantonians want - late night partying or a solid fiscal position?
Posted by Michael, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Why does Pleasanton have so many alarmist and uninformed naysayers? I've not seen drunks carousing downtown streets, or loitering or any such things. I do believe that a busy downtown is good for home values as many people move to a town for the activities. Most people know not to locate near the business district if that is not what they like. You'd think we are talking about hosting the Altamont rock concert and not just some music at some bars and restaurants. Yes Livermore built up their downtown with redevelopment funds that they took the initiative to get from the Federal government. I don't see how getting more money would cause them to have to cut other services. Oh and our downtown sidewalks are too narrow. I have to get out of the way of other people all of the time.
Posted by Another Neighbor in Pleasanton, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Nov 28, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Downtown areas should be active and noisy. It shows that the town is alive with people.
We live near Foothill High school and there is noise from football games, baseball games, marching bands, etc. Well guess what? We knew that before we moved in. If we didn't want noise, we would have chosen someplace else. It goes with the territory.
Living downtown, you have the benefit of being near EVERYTHING and how wonderful for you.
Posted by Noah , a resident of the Foothill Farms neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I really like the idea of treating the downtown like a business. I think all happiness should be linked up with consumer needs and gratification. And who better to supply such needs than businesses? I guess the question is just which business model we should use. Since low-income types such are attracted to Club Neo, perhaps we should have something where our overpaid police can "fire" or ban people who look like they don't belong. At my business, everyone is expected to dress appropriately. Maybe that business model can be applied to our downtown area? The more "Oakland" types are restricted, the better our overall bottom line profit. America as business. Think about it, people. It works for me!
Posted by Michael S, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Even though I'm a downtown Pleasanton resident, I had to choose to open my restaurant in Livermore because even these, less restrictive, guidelines are still too tight to really attract more restaurants. Restaurants need to be where there are lots of other restaurants and they all feed off each other.
Now, even with the new guidelines, the police have been asked to stalk the downtown customers, which just makes it look like a police state and not a fun, hometown experience.
Posted by IRENE, a resident of the Valley Trails neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2012 at 8:43 am
I'VE LIVED IN PLEASANTON SINCE 1969 AND I LOVE IT. MY CHILDREN GREW UP HERE AND I AM GROWING OLDER HERE. MY SON HAD HIS WEDDING RECEPTION AT THE PLEASANTON HOTEL. THEY HAD A LIVE BAND AND DANCING IN THE GARDEN THERE. PEOPLE WOULD WALK BY AD SHOUT CONGRATULATIONS AND WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE NEW COUPLE. THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT PLEASANTON
IT HAS THE FRIENDLY CARING OLD TOWN ATMOSPHERE. I DON'T THINK THAT MUSIC AND DANCING ARE A PROBLEM ANYWHERE. DISRESPECT FOR PROPERTY AND DISRESPECTFUL VOCABULARY HOWEVER ARE A PROBLEM. I DON'T GET DOWNTOWN AS MUCH NOW BECAUSE WALKING IS NOW DIFFICULT FOR ME, BUT I HOPE THAT DOWNTOWN WILL ALWAYS BE A PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO HAVE FUN TOGETHER AND TO EXPERIENCE THEIR HOMETOWN TOGETHER. MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS A MEMBER OF ABBIE 4H AND THEY HAVE BOOTHS AT THE VARIOUS EVENTS DOWNTOWN. I HAVE NEVER FELT FEARFUL FOR HER THERE AND I HOPE IT WILL ALWAYS BE THIS WAY.
I WAS RAISED IN HAYWARD, AND WHEN WE MOVED THERE IT WAS STILL A SMALLER TOWN WITH NEIGHBORS HELPING EACH OTHER AND CARING FOR EACH OTHER. NOW IT IS A JUMBLED MESS WITH GANGS AND VIOLENCE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GREW UP IN WAS QUIET AND WE KIDS WOULD PLAY HIDE AND SEEK OUTSIDE AT NIGHT IN THE SUMMER. WE WOULD BE OUT TILL 9 PM WITH NO FEAR OF DANGER. NOW THAT SAME NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SIRENS BLARING NIGHTLY AND NO ONE GOES OUTSIDE AT NIGHT TO PLAY.
I HOPE PLEASANTON WILL NEVER SACRIFICE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2012 at 10:14 am
Irene, there is usually a "Zoom In" option for your web browser which should make type bigger and easier to read. Both Safari and Firefox have this option under their "View" menus at the top of the screen.
All-capitals just makes it look like you're shouting all of the time. Plus, it really doesn't solve your problem.
Posted by Dr. PC, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2012 at 10:53 am
@ Irene, try this & see if it works. Press & hold the Ctrl button on your keyboard and then press the + key once or twice. That should increase the entire size of your fonts and entire screen.
Now as far as downtown is concerned I do not see a race, age or income level issue here at all and I can't comprehend why anyone would piss & moan about ONE more hour of operation an a 4-5dB (btw,the human ear can only discern a 3dB difference in loudness levels)increase in noise levels in a specific area downtown? It's good for the community atmosphere, good for the merchants and good for families that actually want to stay out past (gasp!) 10:00PM.
Posted by LL, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2012 at 11:05 am
Oh my goodness, let Irene TYPE HOW SHE WANTS!! speaking of policing... YOU ARE FINE IRENE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TYPE THE WAY THEY WANT. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU WERE YELLING AT ME. :)
One of my favorite things about downtown is that it's a sleepy town. I like that it gets quiet at night. However, I will appreciate more restaurant choices as long as businesses do keep the noise down after closing. I lived in San Francisco before moving here and was frequently awakened by beer bottles being dumped in the trash at 2am. It's not fun having your sleep disturbed, and many here have owned their homes for decades. It's unfair to tell them to "just move". I hope the businesses respect the neighborhood without them having to complain about it.
Posted by William Tell, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm
@ "Hated" - Sorry there, Freud, but no "repressed memories" for me. I was the best looking altar boy at the Catholic Church, but this was pre-Vatican II before they let all the homosexuals into the priesthood - thus prompting my family to convert to Southern Baptist before the molestations began. Also, I have nothing against women and teachers, and I don't "hate" anyone.
It's pretty easy to call me names or make up wild stories about my childhood - but I've noticed that it's pretty difficult for anyone to successfully refute my so-called "racist" arguments.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2012 at 5:44 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
It's not the culture either. As you point out, poor whites from the Southern states came to California and became successful. They had the same culture as the poor blacks from the Southern states. The difference was that one group is white and the other is black. One group was excluded from economic and political opportunities on the basis of the color of their skin and the other was not.
Posted by William Tell, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2012 at 8:09 am
@ Stacey. Southern blacks having the same "culture" as the whites? Not hardly. And they weren't excluded from economic opportunities - at least in California. In fact before Lyndon Johnson started his massive no-work for votes program know as AFDC - many blacks were farm workers in the Central Valley. Now, some towns instituted laws where they weren't allowed in town after sundown, but they were allowed to work and allowed to vote.
If there was one racial group that got the short end of the stick in California - it was Asians - between the Chinese Exclusion Act which codified racism and the great socialist FDR depriving Japanese US Citizens of their Constitutional rights because of their nationality. Despite this racism being more egregious than anything done to blacks (again, talking about California only here), they weren't all butt-hurt about what happened years ago, they study hard, are economically successful - are doctors and lawyers, own farms and businesses, etc.
What interests me is that if there are so many Pleasanton residents on this board concerned with "social and economic justice" for "African Americans" - why do you choose to live in a town where there are so few of them? If you were really committed to "diversity" - you'd move to Oakland, San Leandro or Richmond and live amongst them in the low-income part of town and send your children to school with them. Berating me on a message board or lobbying for low-income housing to bring a few of them to Pleasanton might temporarily alleviate your white guilt, but you know that deep down you have the same opinions as me, otherwise you wouldn't live here.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2012 at 10:01 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Yes William Tell, essentially they had the same culture, just like "the other shade of brown who eats beans and tortillas" and succeeded have the same culture as those who "continuously toil at low-paying jobs and need government subsidy for healthcare, housing, and their needs." And just like the poor Untouchables in India have the same culture as the Brahmins. The symptoms that you're talking about, people wanting to be on welfare perpetually, etc., are a normal response to being excluded from a society's economic and political institutions and eventually those traits become ingrained in local values. Racism tends to make people poor and keep them poor.
Amongst some left-thinkers on this board, the problem is the lack of equality of outcome as a result of creative destruction in capitalist markets. I don't see it that way. The symptom is caused by the lack of equality of opportunity. Holding up other groups or a subset of other groups who have become successful as proof of equality of opportunity is not actual proof and just perpetuates blaming the victims for racism. This is not to say that individual responsibility doesn't play a role, but to say that pretending there is equality of opportunity, blaming culture, is why we still have racial problems and inequality in this country.
Posted by William Tell, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2012 at 10:03 am
@ Noah - I'm glad you realize it is an intellectual discussion. You're more than welcome to join my homeschooling sessions if you want to be enlightened and learn some history that's not tainted by liberal revisionists.
Posted by William Tell, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2012 at 11:46 am
@ Stacey - "excluded from political institutions?" Surely you jest. The POTUS is half African American, as are/have been many mayors of cities - including Willie Brown of SF and Congresspeople such as Barbara Lee, Alan West, Jesse Jackson Jr, etc. Al Sharpton is on MSNBC daily.
Bob Johnson is the billionare owner of BET. Oprah Winfrey is a media mogul. Countless, untalented "artists" make hundreds of millions from rap music - including Sean "Puffy" Combs who basically takes records that other people have made and talks over them. Countless sports stars make millions for running/throwing balls. And at the corporate level, "diversity programs" and diversity training ensures that any African American who applies and "acts white" can get a much better job than a similarly qualified person of any other race. As for government jobs - it's almost an open secret that they are for African American's only - go into any public office in Oakland, DC, or Little Rock - and you'll see them overly represented.
Despite all the advantages of political correctness and affirmative action - there's a group who still refuses to study, refuses to pull their pants up, refuses to speak proper English, refuses to work. The real lack of opportunity is that liberal enablers tell them that their lot is because of this alleged "institutional racism" and no their own personal responsibility.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
We were speaking about the culture of people during the Southern exodus to California from a time before the Civil Rights movement and the effect that racism has on the perpetuation of poverty.
If you're speaking about today, there's a subset of all those different groups you mentioned (who supposedly have the same culture) that refuse to study, pull their pants up, speak proper English, and refuse to work. Look no further than your own race.
Posted by Noah, a resident of the Foothill Farms neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Oh, yes, I'd love to know more about the homeschooling you're doing. What grades? What ages? What texts? And how do they challenge California's standards? Please do give us more information. I'm certain there are tens of thousands of readers who'd welcome being enlightened by your words.
Posted by William Tell, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 1, 2012 at 7:44 am
@ Stacey - You're correct that there has been a severe negredation of American culture - promoted by the media. From Vietnamese kids in Orange County dressing like gang members and calling each other the "n-word" to Eminem, to people of all races sagging their pants in jailhouse fashion. But this is the predominant culture of one subset of one racial group.
@ Noah - every age is invited. There are no expensive textbooks - most articles and chapters that I've photocopied. We're about to go into winter break, so provide me with your email address and I will email the spring semester's curriculum. During the break, we're going to be showing "Birth of a Nation" outside projected onto my white garage door. You're welcome to come if you bring enough popcorn for everyone.
Posted by Noah, a resident of the Foothill Farms neighborhood, on Dec 1, 2012 at 10:01 am
Please be kind enough to provide names of the chapters and or articles you plan to use during your next semester.
So, homeschooling. And parents hand over their kids to you, at any age, and you show them Birth of a Nation? Is that what you're saying? Sounds really quite fascinating.
Also, your use of the word "negredation." I'm unfamiliar with it but would very much like to hear more. English, like all languages, is always changing. Is this a new word? Or is this your own word with its own private meaning? Do you have lots of words that belong solely to your own private lexical reserve?
Lastly, does homeschooling the way you do require a license of any sort? Consider me very interested, indeed!
Posted by Noah, a resident of the Foothill Farms neighborhood, on Dec 2, 2012 at 11:43 am
You seem to have become so wound up in your intellectual discussion with Stacey that you've forgotten my request. Please, home schooler of other people's children, provide us with names of some of the chapters and articles you teach with. Some of us may want to use them in our own homes, or perhaps sign up so that you can offer our children your wise tutelage. Please don't let a valuable teaching moment like this pass us all by!
Thank you so very much for carrying on your intellectual sharing with William Tell. We all learn so much from both of you.
Posted by William Tell, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 2, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Sorry for forgetting you buddy. "Negredation" isn't officially recognized by Merriam Webster or the Oxford English Dictionary - but if you can't figure out the etymology, let me use it in a sentence: "The negredation of Oakland has resulted in a high rape and murder rates."
Here's the preliminary schedule for next Semester
a. Founding Fathers and Federalism vs. State's Rights
b. From Frederick Douglas to Farrakhan-men: The Agitators, Hucksters and Phonies
c. Why the Thirteenth was the Unluckiest Amendment
Texts: Exerpts from the Federalist Papers, Abraham Lincoln's speeches, Louis Farrakhan speeches, and a whole lot of "color" commentary from me ;)
Posted by Noah, a resident of the Foothill Farms neighborhood, on Dec 2, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Thanks to Stacey and William Tell for carrying on this valuable intellectual discussion. I do have a few questions, however. Perhaps William Tell or Stacey will be able to help me.
Re. 1: Since a basic principle of Federalism is, in fact, states rights, why have a topic on Federalism v. States Rights? What is your source for legitimating such a peculiar dichotomy?
Re. 2: By 'Frederick Douglas' I imagine you mean Frederick Douglass? And you're saying, what, that he is an agitator, huckster, and/or phoney? Again, what might be your source?
Re. 3: How can an amendment be unlucky? Do you have a source for this?
These curious topics you present, combined with numerous spelling and grammatical errors, suggests a rather conspicuous surplus of ignorance on your part. Yet you do home schooling for children out of your home? Again, since there are many readers who may want to submit to your sage counsel, are you licensed? And, please, what are the chapters and articles you reference earlier?
And, finally, is it 'excerpts' that you are trying to spell? I imagine spelling and grammar are not high priorities given your more lofty goals, yes? And facts? Do they also play second fiddle to the more important ideas you attempt to instill in your students?
Allow me to say you're certainly doing a valuable service to the community by sharing your intellect and words with us all. Please provide us more information about yourself and the classes you teach. I'm certain there are readers who would love to place their children under your sage tutelage.