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What's the Real Skinny on Our Children Are Our Future?

Original post made by FHS Parent, Foothill High School, on Mar 28, 2012

I'm hearing more and more about this. Web Link

The ads say money stays in the district and is not lost in Sacramento. Too good to be true? Or the right thing at the right time?

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Posted by Sandy Piderit
a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 28, 2012 at 10:36 pm

To support schools, OCOF will provide for funding to go directly to each school, after community consultation with each school community. School boards will approve a plan for how each school will use the money.

This PDF of the initiative itself is long, but I believe that page 11 answers your question about the approval process before funds can be used.

What is not clear is how other general funds for schools would be affected.... the governor has already shown some willingness to engage in creative accounting as far as meeting proposition 98 requirements are concerned. It may be possible to reduce some of the other funds it provides to education, to offset the increases in revenue that OCOF would ensure.

Here's the PDF: Web Link?

If improving schools is what you want, then OCOF is a better option than Governor Brown's initiative. Dan Walters, a columnist at the Sacramento Bee, offered this observation:

"The very friendly ballot summary provided by Attorney General Kamala Harris says that proceeds from Brown's plan would largely go to schools, and that's how the University of Southern California/Los Angeles Times poll described it.

In fact, however, schools would get little or nothing extra from the measure beyond what state law already requires. The real net beneficiaries of his taxes would be non-education programs, from prisons to welfare and health care for the poor, which are endangered by the state's chronic budget deficit."

Here's the link:

Web Link

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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 29, 2012 at 6:01 am

The taxes raised do not "stay in the district". That is a lie. The taxes are collected by the state and allocated for various uses. For example, $1B is allocated for "struggling students" and unlikely coming back to Pleasanton. Read the tax initiative carefully and see that the proponents are lying to get your money.

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Posted by Cheryl James
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 29, 2012 at 8:56 am

Your Mistaken Nomad. The funds go into a specific account not accessible to the states general fund. Local communities and Parents specifically must be given input on the spending of the money for their local district. This is NEW money. We no longer would be relying on imaginary reserves and revenues that we HOPE will come along.

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 29, 2012 at 10:40 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Seems like you're talking past each other.

Nomad and Cheryl are both correct that the State collects the taxes.

The State can't raid the taxes for other purposes because they go in some separate account. But the Sacramento Bee article shows how the State could still be left able to do creative budgeting and count the extra taxes towards the Prop 98 minimum. So the extra tax money collected would go to schools and the other part of the State budget that would also normally go to schools would instead be taken away for other things, like a shell game.

The State has always treated the Prop 98 rules as a formula for determining the maximum amount that the State owes to schools rather than the intention by the Prop 98 authors that they'd provide more than the minimum guarantee.

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Posted by AnnaS
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 29, 2012 at 11:13 am

I'm sorry, but OCOF is not good and it's definitely not the right thing to do, especially at this time. The initiative claims that if Californians will agree to pay NEW taxes, they promise that they will spend these NEW taxes wisely. Nothing in this measure or in any other measures is about wise use of already existing taxes. But, Californians already pay the highest taxes in the country, they already have highest payed public school teachers, and they already spend more than almost every state on education. At the same time, California is already one of the worst states to start a business in, and it's one of the worst states for student performance. Will new taxes fix the education problems? NO. What they will do is force more educated working families to move out. What can help to fix these programs? As a first step, make California a "Right to Work" state.

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Posted by Marvin
a resident of Carriage Gardens
on Mar 29, 2012 at 11:40 am

Yup, make California a "right to work" state. That'll attract lots of working families to the state and discourage existing working families from leaving. That's why, too, the Silicon Valley firms and all the UCs and Stanford and USC are all trying to move to Mississippi. Because California is a bad state, really really bad. We need more $2.00 an hour jobs! I want the option to quit my union job and work for 2 bucks an hour. If I can't have it, I'm leaving. Hey, AnnaS, what say you join me and we skip outta this joint? We'll go to Mississipp together and pluck cotton balls for ten bucks a day.

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Posted by Mississippi
a resident of another community
on Mar 29, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Yep Marvin ... you will not get another dime from me, I'll keep my $2/hr ... Taxed Enough Already!

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Posted by Marvin
a resident of Carriage Gardens
on Mar 29, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Don't worry there, Mississipp. Because of that dadburned Democrat Party, smart folks like us who make less than minimum wage don't have are income taxed by the big bad goverment. But hang tight there fella, cuz the Republicans want a fairer system where smart folks like you will have to pay taxes as a way to offset tax cuts for our job creating heroes.

Hey, "Taxed Enough Already." The acornim for that is TEA. Did you make that up yourselve? I like you a lot. Think maybe we all could get together an put on a greased pig contest or sumpm like that? Let's spread some more country boy culture around this elitist town.

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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 29, 2012 at 7:47 pm

Cheryl - I challenge you or anyone from OCOF to calculate how much new taxes will be taken from Pleasanton residents. And to calculate how much will be returned to PUSD. I guarantee you it will show that the funds will NOT 'stay in the district'. OCOF is lying in its ads.

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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 2, 2012 at 10:48 pm

Crickets chirping.....while OCOF ads are lying.

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