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Peace group to hold another vigil next Wednesday

Original post made on Apr 13, 2008

Pleasantonians 4 Peace will again sponsor a candlelight vigil in front of the Museum on Main Street in downtown Pleasanton to reflect on the war.

It will be held at 7 p.m. next Wednesday, April 16.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, April 11, 2008, 2:45 PM

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Posted by Pro Peace
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 13, 2008 at 9:07 pm

To the extent the Normans and Matt Sullivan pay their taxes to support this war, it will continue. If they were sincere about ending this war, they would withhold their federal from the Government. Anything less is enabling the government to continue these wars...and continues their hypocracy!!!

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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Apr 14, 2008 at 2:14 am

The majority party in congress could initiate an ending of the conflict in Iraq tomorrow if they truly desired. After all, they control the purse strings but don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen. They wouldn't have anything to huff and puff about in an attempt to impress their constituency.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 14, 2008 at 7:45 am

Thank you for holding the Peace Vigil.

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Posted by Pro Peace
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 14, 2008 at 8:47 am

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step..."

Obviously Sullivan and the Normans are unwilling to take the single step for peace by witholding their taxes from the Feds that supports this war. Talk is cheap! They talk the talk...but are unwilling to walk the walk!!

Another example of hypocracy!!!

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 14, 2008 at 8:58 am

All this leaves me wondering if Pro Peace has withheld paying tax to the Federal government. I guess I also don't understand how withholding tax can be equated with sincerity for ending the war. People work towards goals in different ways. Perhaps people who pay their tax recognize that withholding it is a non-solution since the results from doing that are usually a headache for the taxpayer and damaging to other beneficial government programs that are funded by tax.

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Posted by Jeb Bing
editor of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Apr 14, 2008 at 6:34 pm

Jeb Bing is a registered user.

Several comments have been removed from this thread because they are inappropriate to the discussion.

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Posted by Fred Norman
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Apr 14, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Pro Peace is wrong to suggest that if I were sincere about wanting to end the Iraq War, I would withhold my federal taxes that support that war. He, or she, is right in a way, though. I've thought about it, but I just don't have the guts or energy to do it. I could also douse myself with gasoline and set myself afire on Main Street in protest, but I don't do that either. I could organize a gang of thugs and storm City Hall to protest the City's lack of action. There are many things I could do, but I have chosen to speak up at City Council meetings and organize vigils to draw attention to the war and to sadly recognize and honor those whom our government sends to their deaths. I invite Pro Peace to join me.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 14, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Go Fred!

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Posted by mac
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2008 at 4:28 pm

ProPeace - I think their STEP of holding vigils and participating in discussions is a very proper step. Asking them to break the law is hypocritical. Exactly what is it you are doing to take a STEP towards peace?

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 27, 2008 at 4:08 pm

ProPeace, I sent a copy of your blog entry to the Criminal Investigation Division of the IRS. Even if this entry is deleted, you have been reported and I was informed by the IRA that they can track down your entry even if it was deleted from this blog.

If you're really so brave, why not write a public letter to the IRS informing them of your special tax free status. I'd like to have that information so that I can also not pay taxes!

Are you a true rebel genius or what? Cool...

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Posted by Angela
a resident of Mohr Park
on Apr 27, 2008 at 6:11 pm

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read
> this:
> Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the
> propaganda that it is the
> Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.
> I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
> I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and
> over again until they
> are read so many times that the reader gets sick of
> reading them. I have
> included the URL's for verification of all the
> following facts.
> 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
> illegal aliens
> each year by state governments.
> 2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
> assistance programs
> such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for
> illegal aliens.
> 3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid
> for illegal aliens.
> Verify at:
> > 4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and
> secondary school
> education for children here illegally and they cannot
> speak a word of
> English!
> 5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education
> for the
> American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor
> babies. Verify
> at
> >
> 6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate
> illegal aliens.
> 7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal
> aliens.
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens
> for Welfare &
> social services by the American taxpayers.
> 9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American
> wages are caused by
> the illegal aliens.
> 10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime
> rate that's two
> and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In
> particular, their
> children, are going to make a huge additional crime
> problem in the US .
> 11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION
> illegal aliens that
> crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500
> illegal aliens from
> Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs,
> cocaine, meth, heroin and
> marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern
> border. Verify at:
> Homeland Security Report: Web Link
> 12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that
> the total cost of mass
> deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an
> average cost of
> between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year
> period." Verify
> at:
> Web Link
> 13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in
> remittances back to
> their countries of origin. Verify at:
> Web Link
> 14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly
> One Million Sex Crimes
> Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United
> States." Verify at:
> Web Link
> The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A
> Are we THAT stupid?

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 27, 2008 at 7:43 pm

Your poem is one thing, paying your taxes is quite another matter. Pay your taxes or get busted by the IRS!

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Posted by Shelley
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 29, 2008 at 4:37 pm

All that money spent supporting illegal aliens and their children could be avoided if they were able to become citizens and work legally and their employers and they would have to pay payroll taxes and income taxes. Sounds to me like we would all be better off if they could just become legal.
Angela, please don't post content of forwarded emails that are sent around like viruses. The content of those emails are meant to incite anger towards anyone you might expect to be an immigrant. This thread is about peace.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 29, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Hey Angela's, I like your list. A friend of mine is going to perform it on utube!

If you need a job, there is one for a list maker at Macy's Walnut Creek.
Your supervisor will of course, a person from another country! If you apply, you will need to bring all your papers!!!

Any tips where I can get some free dental care? Someplace nice where not to many questions are asked about where I'm from?

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Posted by Shelley
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 30, 2008 at 8:26 am

I've been thinking about this list that Angela posted. She asks us to ponder if "the war in Iraq is costing us too much?" The thing about this list of costs that are spent on illegal immigrants is that these costs, like welfare, food assistance programs, education, medicare, etc, are for social programs that would be part of the federal budget anyway. Illegal immigrants are not the only people who take advantage of these social programs, ordinary American citizens do as well. However, the war in Iraq is an additional cost to the American people that is completely incomparable to the social programs Angela lists. What is the _real_ cost of the war in Iraq? It's not just some $1 trillion dollar amount of debt to our country and future generations. The lives that are affected by the war, in the U.S. and in Iraq, have been impacted negatively. The lives affected by social programs are impacted positively. What's worse? Think about that next time you feel like it's easier to blame illegal immigrants.

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Posted by Reality
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Aug 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm


Please explain to me why my family had to wait for years on a list to come to this country and why my father was refused jobs because his application for his Green Card did not come through yet or why my family arrived here with nothing more than the clothing on our backs and $60 collectively in our pockets even having earned the right to come to the United States LEGALLY. We never took anything we did not earn such as health care (always paid ourselves for it).

So, Shelley, by your reasoning, we could have come here illegally, and we would still have the same rights as any other American citizen?

My point is that it's not illegal aliens who are the only ones work hard...HONEST Americans work hard as do LEGAL aliens.

The only difference between myself and an illegal alien is that I am not a criminal.

Shelley, you are too willing to give away the rights that people have earned through hardship and time. And no, hopping over a river or coming here on a boat is not what I consider hardship. It's criminal activity.

But seriously, please explain why my family chose to do things legally because it sure sounds like we didn't have to.

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Aug 24, 2008 at 7:32 am


Firstly, welcome to this blog (I noticed you've been busy "catching up" here). I hope you have a thick skin because the debates around here can get rather intense...

I think no one but your family can answer why they made the choice to do things legally. It is sad that your family had to earn their rights through "hardship and time". When my family immigrated to the US, the only thing they had to do was get documented at Ellis Island. There was no discriminatory quota, no waiting period, no green cards, etc. That was from a time before the general US populace believed in forcing people to "earn rights".

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