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What a Week: To mask, or not to mask

Original post made on Aug 20, 2021

Masking boils down to me internalizing responsibility (to a fault, sometimes). I just don't want to face a reality where I didn't do everything I could before unknowingly exposing a loved one, a colleague or a bystander to COVID-19.

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Posted by Joe V
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 20, 2021 at 11:27 am

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Jeremy, thank you for sharing your perspective on the subject of masks, and other mitigating factors for COVID19.
For the past year and half, when I drive, walk, or ride my bike through this wonderful city, you notice many people wearing masks, especially before vaccines were available. But what most impressed me, were the young people and children that became accustomed to wearing them, even while playing at playgrounds. Their parents, and our family oriented community, deserve credit for accomplishing this difficult transition that was necessary, to protect others, and to stop the spread.
When you read the news about conflicts in other parts of our country, lately in schools, in regards to mask mandates, I feel a sense of pride to be part of this great community.
Thank you to all!


Posted by Claudette McDermott
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 20, 2021 at 11:55 am

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Well said Jeremy, although online here we still hear from those that do not want to spread kindness during this time of stress, which I do still feel is politically motivated.

"Wearing a mask shows we're all in this together. Spread kindness, not the virus." Love this but I'd like to see added "Vaccinate to lower the rate." The majority of those hospitalized and in the ICU are the Unvaccinated.

I do believe the mandates (even though it seems an unsavory way to get things done) are all about getting those that are not vaccinated, and pushing them to get vaccinated. Once done we can get back to what used to be "Normal" living, work environments, school environments, and normal social environments, without the fear of getting hospitalized.

Time to require proof of vaccinations to participate in higher risk situations, which is ANYTHING done indoors.


Posted by buklau
a resident of Avila
on Aug 20, 2021 at 12:42 pm

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To quote Dr Fauci in his 2020 email: "I do not recommend that you wear a mask"

78% of covid hospitalizations are obese yet many Americans simply want to mandate the brand new rna jab LOL (don't ask about all the breakthrough cases btw). It's just like mandating a pharma diabetes pill instead of cutting down sugar and losing weight.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 20, 2021 at 2:14 pm

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All very good points Mr Walsh. Well done.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 20, 2021 at 9:44 pm

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At least there’s admittance of masking as virtue signaling.


Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 21, 2021 at 1:38 am

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The double-speak never fails you does it:

- by wearing a mask it shows how much you love everyone;
- people who care about responsibility wear a mask;
- by wearing a mask you are safe (remember- the requirement by the Left is to mention ‘safe’ in each sentence);
- wearing a mask shows we are all in this together;
- wearing a mask will set you free;

Get the point? Ok. The ‘science is in’ and masks lose. They never did any of those things except make people intake more CO2. They make certain intelligence levels feel better. They don’t filter the virus because of the size of the virus (small- 1 micron) and the porousness of the paper or cloth. The mask is a symbol of defeat, weakness, and sheep.

Get ready for your third jab, because the experimental gene therapy is fading. Look to Israel and what is happening there. They have already taken the 3rd shot and it isn’t working. Don’t blame the unvaccinated for the spread, it’s coming from the vaccinated (break through cases). The numbers are also going up because of the southern border and soon with the influx of Afghan refugees. But heck, we have more issues currently and on the horizon that will diminish this virus.


Posted by buklau
a resident of Avila
on Aug 21, 2021 at 4:32 am

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Highly Vaxxed nations: Israel, United Kingdom, Iceland
Low Vaxxed nations: Ukraine (11%), Romania (26%), Armenia (5%)

High surging covid cases nations today: Israel, United Kingdom, Iceland
Low tanked covid cases nations today: Ukraine, Romania, Armenia


Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 21, 2021 at 9:34 am

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"I do believe the mandates (even though it seems an unsavory way to get things done) are all about getting those that are not vaccinated, and pushing them to get vaccinated. Once done we can get back to what used to be "Normal" living, work environments, school environments, and normal social environments, without the fear of getting hospitalized."


Wishful thinking. So called "progressives" want more government control over the people (not "normal" living in the United States) for the "collective good" regardless of the outcomes. They are not going to give up this reasoning process no matter how many more people are vaccinated and the amount of infections decline.

We are seeing it now with the hysterical (yet predictable) claims of "systemic racism", a "climate crisis", and "income inequality" that requires them to intervene and supposedly "fix it" with their usual heavy handed methods - managed decline, fewer individual freedoms, and obedience to the state. Dissent will not be tolerated.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 21, 2021 at 10:16 am

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@MichaelB,

We've had vaccine mandates in schools in the US for more than a century and they've held up to supreme Court challenges every time. Even George Washington required smallpox inoculation for his troops when they were a lot riskier than they are today. Vaccine mandates are as American as apple pie.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 21, 2021 at 10:19 am

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@Jake Waters,

Stop spreading lies. None of the approved vaccines are gene therapy in any way shape or form. Are you still here literally trying to discourage people from getting vaccines that might save their lives or keep them out of the hospital? Seriously? If you don't get the vaccine yourself, fine. But do you really want to use this forum to discourage others from getting it?


Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 21, 2021 at 11:27 am

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BobB

You always label anyone who has different information than you as enemies of the state. You refuse to listen to other Doctors in this country or around the globe. You are just fine with censorship. It’s interesting if an individual has a serious medical problem and receives a diagnosis from a doctor and a treatment response, everyone always offers: get several opinions. But you apparently discourage that, and if we research for different approaches, people like you seem to think that makes you an anti-vaxxer.

My body, my choice. I believe in the Nuremberg Code, and I believe that the treatment protocols talked about by the censored doctors have a lot of merit. Besides, stop calling them vaccines- these experimental drugs only have executive authorization. But I have said always: you want to wear a mask then knock yourself out. You want to introduce an experimental drug into your body, have at it. You do what is best for you, but don’t demand (without knowing anything about my medical history) that I comply or else. People such as you are starting to resemble Germany of 1939.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 21, 2021 at 11:43 am

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Jake waters, you really need to look at what you're doing. I hope nobody at all listens to you. You're actually here trying to discourage others from taking a vaccine that could save their lives and keep them out of hospitals. And you're spreading lies. The sad part is I think you really believe that garbage about gene therapy and these not being vaccines or any of that. Those links that you post are from well-known frauds and quacks.


Posted by Rosie
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 22, 2021 at 8:19 am

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Everyone in our household is vaccinated or will be soon due to age limitations. I wear a mask when I enter stores for shopping. However, mandating something that shows very little benefit is what irritates many who are opposed to mandates.

1) CA does not require masking indoors. PUSD decided to take it upon themselves to mandate it outdoors and indoors on campus. Just be clear that they are saying that our kids who are doing PE, sports...as long as they are on campus they need to have a mask on. Also note that San Ramon and Livermore does not require this special requirement. So it begs the question if that is true A) Is our community more at risk than others? or B) our schools are less capable than other districts to keeo our students safe outdoors? C) Why are our schools considered more health experts than our CA health department?

2) This obsession with case rates and blame on the unvaccinated and unmasked. With all the recent news on breakthrough cases, I fail to see how obsession on any of this is helpful. Obviously covid zero is a pipe dream. We are not New Zealand. We are not, and will not close our borders. I have a sibling who had a positive test, with very little symptoms, after being vaccinated 4 months ago. It's time for us to live WITH covid. Try to help people to giving them advice that's actually helpful, like getting healthier, reducing issues with comorbidities. If we truly cared about keeping more people alive, we should be shifting messaging of covid as we can see from Isreal (with an extremely high vax rate for the entire country) that they will need other ways to deal with covid moving forward beyond masks and vax.

After 1.5years of the same talking points not working, you have to try something else. You can keep virtue signaling with your mask for as long as you want. I just have a problem with you exerting power over me with what you want, over my personal choice and risk accessment.





Life in general is balancing costs and benefits.


Posted by John
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 22, 2021 at 8:35 am

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Well said Rosie. I agree wholeheartedly.


Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 22, 2021 at 9:10 am

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BobB

You really are the poster child for disinformation. Proud member of the DNC? Ever listen to Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology? Study the reports coming out from Israel? Listen to other Immunologists? I am a believer in getting ALL the information, and question a government and it’s strong arm of censorship. What are they afraid of? I believe in getting 2nd and 3rd opinions from the professionals. I question a lot before making a final decision that could impact my life.

I’ve read your comments for a year and a half and found you to be the most disingenuous person on here. You use labels on people to distract others from clear thinking. It really doesn’t matter what link a person posts or who they site, because you will find opposition. Nothing to back it up mind you, but just throw it against the wall and see what sticks.

I think you have buyer’s remorse on many decisions you have made in your life.


Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 22, 2021 at 10:00 am

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"We've had vaccine mandates in schools in the US for more than a century and they've held up to supreme Court challenges every time. Even George Washington required smallpox inoculation for his troops when they were a lot riskier than they are today. Vaccine mandates are as American as apple pie."

Except it is not just about schools, is it?

We have the government flip flopping on the usage of and/or ignoring the ineffectiveness of masks, people now having to "show their papers" (private health records) to attend public events/gatherings, the need for an "equity index" as a condition to reopen businesses from Gavin Newsom, and Biden/Harris allowing thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the border (and relocating them) without testing or vaccinations. How is any of this "American as apple pie"? None of it is.


Posted by Rosie
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 22, 2021 at 11:03 am

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Correction to my comment above. "1) CA does not require masking outdoors." No edit buttons for us here.

My biggest problem is really masking of kids. I get to WFH most of the time and only need to put on a mask for 15-30min at a time. My kids have to deal with masking for 8+hrs a day. Especially when we have continued to see that schools are not major source of communal spread, is definitely a bigger concern for me than anything else.

There is a difference between the type of masks that does mitigate Covid vs the standard cloth ones that are being promoted and used throughout the schools. No one wants to talk about it, but if you believed in science you would have that discussion. Right now, the standard masks that are being used in schools are all just for show...which makes this whole mandate even more frustrating.

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I have to weigh the value of masking kids for extended amount of hours during the day vs balancing the impact they have on their well-being beyond just Covid 19 concerns.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2021 at 3:21 pm

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@MichaelB,

Vaccine mandates have never been just about schools. George Washington's mandate was about soldiers, and there wasn't any FDA approval of that small pox inoculation! The precedent setting supreme court case on vaccine mandates, Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905, was about Cambridge Massachusetts ordering vaccination of all its inhabitants, though existing school mandates were cited in arguments favoring the mandates. Yes, you had to have your "papers". American as apple pie.


Posted by Claudette McDermott
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 26, 2021 at 10:39 am

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We've learned a lot about the COVID19 virus since it first lifted its ugly head. Like everything you learn more as time goes along. That goes for everyone from the scientists and medical industry and professionals in their fields related to the CDC and WHO.

The point is, the more we learn the more we need to adjust. In the beginning we didn't think we needed to wear masks, but as people started filling the hospitals and numbers skyrocket and the temporary morgues stated being necessary, we realized changes HAD to be made. The virus spread like wildfire.

The fact is that the virus "load" you may carry or give to another person will be higher if you don't get vaccinated or wear a mask. If you do both you will carry a smaller virus load, so that it won't affect you or others as badly. You won't end up in the hospital or morgue.

The problem is that your unwilling behavior will not only effect you, it will effect others, at a High Cost.

When we willingly do things that hurt ourselves or others, don't we automatically do something about it? Yes we do. In this case the necessary fix: Mandates ~ I'm wondering why it has taken so long but I guess slow and steady wins the race.


Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 26, 2021 at 6:00 pm

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The problem with the majority of people who immediately claim that if your vaccinated- then your safe is ignorance at the highest level. Israel is the canary of the world and reports more information than any other country. From them, and many doctors here, know the EUA agents are waning. That is the reason for the 3rd (booster) shot in hope it will lengthen the antibodies ability to work. The overwhelming majority in Israel hospitals are over 70 and vaccinated.

You may love to blame unvaccinated people for that which isn’t their fault just as much as this empty administration wants to continue to blame Trump erroneously for their failures, but it just isn’t so. I will say it again: your talking as those in Germany 1939.


Posted by FDonaldT
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Aug 26, 2021 at 7:19 pm

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PW is liable for allowing the group of clowns (Jake Waters, MichaelB, et al) to post their false information and lies.

Please hold PW accountable!


Posted by John
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 26, 2021 at 8:31 pm

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FDT. Before calling others a clown you should look in a mirror.


Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 26, 2021 at 8:43 pm

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FDonaldT

You don’t read much, but I bet you watch a lot of CNN.


Posted by keeknlinda
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 26, 2021 at 10:22 pm

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@FDonaldT,the folks at PW definitely are accountable, and they act accountable. The group of clowns must be allowed to put on their show or PW would be guilty of censorship. So long as the clowns follow the rules laid out for us all, that's the way it's gotta be, like it or not.
Over the last year and a half, PW has indeed closed discussions at an almost alarming rate because some readers who speak their minds do it in such an offensive manner.
Civility seems to have fallen by the wayside, and no matter the topic, those who feel compelled to speak out all to often are the same "clowns". Constructive criticism lies next to civility on the wayside, and remarks are more often than not abrasive, abusive, thoughtless, cruel, rude and hurtful, all rolled into one.
One wishes the Weekly would institute a simple "like" vs "dislike" button for comments appearing here in the Square. No replies, just like of dislike. That gives readers a chance to let them know what offends, and might bring back some of the persons who opined and appear to have left the building.
In my view, that would be a good thing indeed, and we could hear what more members of our community really think about the world around us.
Time to have discussions again, not bashing sessions.


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