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Dublin: Sheriff's lieutenant is fired in death of man arrested after parents called for help

Original post made on Jul 16, 2020

An Alameda County sheriff's lieutenant has been fired following an investigation into the death of a man arrested in Fremont in 2019 after his parents called police seeking care for him.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, July 16, 2020, 3:54 PM

Comments (13)

Posted by Bill
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 16, 2020 at 10:34 pm

Defund the police.

There is no reason the police should have been on that call. They are ill suited to handle many of the issues they are called to deal with. We can replace half of the Pleasanton police force and replace them with community service officers w/out any change in crime here.

The police should be a unique unit, called into action when community service officers are uncomfortable with a situation or violent crime is reported. What percentage of traffic stops in Pleasanton feel sketchy to the cops? 1%? Why are we sending militarized officers on traffic and mental health patrol? It's a model for catastrophe.

Can you think of a time the size of our police force stopped a violent crime? The police react. They don't prevent. And they don't have the skills to do the jobs we task them with.

Defund the police. Take that money, and build a new community enforcement division. Drop of a hat, they can call in the police when they feel necessary. Common sense. I'm sure the police union won't like that. And will threaten us with unfounded cause for concern.

No ill will to the police here. Just let them do their job. And let someone better suited to the non-police activity do their job.


Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 16, 2020 at 10:49 pm

@Bill:

The Pleasanton police department was not involved with this incident.

The law enforcement agencies involved with this incident was The Fremont police department and the Alameda County Sheriffs department.


Posted by Bill
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 16, 2020 at 10:55 pm

The point remains Michael.

Our police force is too large, and ill suited to most of their activity. You grow up here? Then you know their primary purpose is traffic enforcement. I expect over 50% of their time is traffic enforcement.

We have a wrong-sized police force here. Over-militarized. For no purpose. Wrong tool for the job.


Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Jul 16, 2020 at 11:02 pm

Singling out the Pleasanton police department regarding an activity that did not involve them is wrong.

Singling out this police department is absolutely hate on your part, which your commentary clearing states.


Posted by Bill
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 16, 2020 at 11:12 pm

Look at the parallel with healthcare. Illogical on its face.

But until a few years back, you needed a doctor to do everything with healthcare. You got a nasty case of poison oak? Go see a doctor for some prednisone. Hey, I got a nasty sore throat and fever. You see a doctor. I think I sprained my ankle. You saw a doctor.

Through circumstance, we find ourselves running out of doctors. So they said, "Hey, let's get these nurses up to speed. Create a new classification. And let them do the day to day work that we used to do. Then we can focus our efforts on the hard stuff". So they created a new level of nurse that works a lot like a doctor. Frankly, I like it a lot more! Those nurses know their stuff, and respond to questions more quickly. And, while those nurses are paid well, they make less than doctors. That helps me, in all respects.

Same deal with law enforcement. We are all becoming specialists in our fields, regardless your job. The police have too much on their plate. The stress is showing. Let's alleviate that pressure, and give a new class of enforcement the ability to deal with the stuff that doesn't require a gun. I think that's pretty logical, and with precedent.


Posted by Sam
a resident of Hacienda Gardens
on Jul 17, 2020 at 8:11 am

Michael Austin,

The fact that you immediately label Bill's actionable, testable, reasonable proposal as "hate" instead of debating the proposal's merits indicates to me that you either don't believe police brutality is a serious issue, or that you aren't a serious person.


Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 17, 2020 at 9:17 am

Anonymous posters have no credibility.


Posted by Olorin
a resident of Val Vista
on Jul 17, 2020 at 9:18 am

"give a new class of enforcement the ability to deal with the stuff that doesn't require a gun."

Great idea except that police never know whether the situation will require a gun or not. A simple traffic stop can result in force being used. In fact, a traffic stop may be the most dangerous thing a cop does because of the unknown (this is something Berkeley will soon be finding out).

Nope, don't need another level of government. I call for a cop and I expect a cop, I call for a fireman and I expect a fireman and if I need a social worker then that's who I'll call.


Posted by urmomz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2020 at 9:44 am

On paper, the idea of sending social workers to these types of situations sounds promising. The reality is, there are very few if any social workers who are willing to take on this type of work. I’ve spoken with dozens of social workers about this concept and they are almost universal that they would not respond to these types of situations without the police being present. So, to make this idea a reality, we would need to maintain police funding while hiring a ton of social workers. I would support this concept, but I’m skeptical enough people are willing to spend the money (increased taxes) it would take to implement.


Posted by Wombat
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 17, 2020 at 9:45 am

@Bill wrote “ Our police force is too large, and ill suited to most of their activity. You grow up here? Then you know their primary purpose is traffic enforcement. I expect over 50% of their time is traffic enforcement.”

You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re just writing posts filled with fact-free assertions and claims that you’re picking out of thin air.

The Pleasanton Police are involved in a wide range of anti-crime efforts protecting our community, efforts which you would be able learn about if you would even bother to take the simple effort of googling up their annual reports instead of just trolling here.


Posted by Mike Peel
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Jul 17, 2020 at 11:01 am

Bill you are so wrong
We need more police. One of my neighbors
Was watching our neighbors house across
The steet
Get broken into, called the police right away
It took the police 26 minutes to get there
Because they had other similar things Happening. The bad guys got away.
If the city wants to hire a safety mental
Health person...fine.... are they going to be
On call 24 hours a day..? What will their
Response time,,, ? The police did ok,
The Lt. at the jail DID NOT do what he
Should have done ...


Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 17, 2020 at 9:12 pm

@Sam:

I did not "immediately" label Bills unreasonable commentary as "hate commentary".

In my second comment, I described his post as hate, towards the Pleasanton police department. Bill was finding fault with Pleasanton police department when it was not factual.

I will debate anyone anytime on this forum if they will identify themselves. I will not debate anonymous posters.

Bill stated "fifty percent of Pleasanton law enforcement is traffic control". That is not a true statement.

Traffic control in Pleasanton is a minute part of police law enforcement in Pleasanton. Bill has no clue what law enforcement in Pleasanton is. The Pleasanton law enforcement unit in Pleasanton is undrstaffed.


Posted by Flightops
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 20, 2020 at 5:27 pm

Looks to me like we have 2 posters who should be signing up for those unarmed social worker jobs and show everybody how they will keep this city safe.
Lifetime resident and IMO PPD is still understaffed but doing a great job with the manpower they have, way too many armchair whiners out there that need to wake up!!


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