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State guidance bans outdoor dining in Alameda County, but Tri-Valley cities proceeding as is absent new health order

Original post made on Jul 11, 2020

The state of California's latest COVID-19 guidance effectively prohibits outdoor dining in Alameda County, but the three Tri-Valley cities are not changing plans already set for their jurisdictions this weekend.

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Comments (34)

Posted by Air
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 5:08 pm

None of this guidance is Law. Stay open of course. Those who dont want to eat outside in the fresh air dont have to...but a lot of residents want to...and would rather give our revenue to a Pleasanton restaurant than Danville.


Posted by Allen W.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 5:47 pm

So once again Tri-Valley city officials put money and political standing before public safety. Whether in violation or not, you're ignoring the reason for the rollback. Shame on you.


Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 11, 2020 at 9:26 pm

Good for our leaders in the Tri-Valley Area, and I agree with @Air: If you want to stay in the basement then you should. Don’t venture out into the open air that is good for you.

A side note: Gavin Nausea spent $1 billion of our tax dollars to a defunct automaker in China for masks. Where are they? Secondly, why does Gavin tell us to wear masks, but doesn’t provide us proper masks and instead allows us to use paper masks good for an hour or so, cloth masks made in the basement of who knows who, or the Lone Ranger bank robbery masks- all of which do not provide the protection the experts say we need.

It is all so dumbed down.


Posted by Pro-Law
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 11:45 pm

It’s amazing how the goal posts continue to change on this. At first it was just to slow the virus for a couple weeks or so, so hospitals could get enough equipment. What is the goal now - complete eradication?

It should be freedom of choice - if a business wants to require customers to wear a mask or not then the public can decide if they want to shop there or not. Individuals should be allowed
to decide what risk they are willing to do. For example, if you work at an entity that is going to reopen and not require masks then you can decide to also not work for them.


Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:54 am

Why do you always need reminding that masks are for the safety of others, not yourself?

We don’t allow drunk driving because it saves other people’s lives. We don’t say that you can drink whatever you want because you can determine the risk you’re willing to take, and if other people don’t like it they should stay off the road.

Masks save other people. Try to remember that.


Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:58 am

That being said, I do think the cities were right for staying open. Masks are still required to get to the table and for workers, and sitting outside and eating has not been shown to be the cause of the major upticks seen in many places. That seems to be caused by private large parties and people not wearing masks when close to strangers. People within your bubble are still safe enough, and outdoor dining doesn’t make that particularly worse.


Posted by Pro-Law
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:40 am

Grumpy,

Because where does the government restrictions stop on this issue? One of my main problem is the goal posts keeping moving. Do you have an idea what the actual goal is? It seems like once we meet a goal we get baited and switched. If you go back through the articles about every 2-3 weeks the goals change
goals.

My opinion is more government restrictions aren’t the answer and if a business allows people to not wear masks then people will likely not go. Why can’t that be enough?

What do you suggest we do with people who don’t wear masks? Arrest them while we let convicted felons loose?


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 9:22 am

Wear a mask.

Other countries took this virus seriously. The US screwed up royally. Now we're paying the price. Ignore the fools who keep downplaying this. What a horrible screw up. How many people have to die? Fools.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 9:27 am

Hey "Pro-Law",

How about a goal of doing half as well as countries like Taiwan or South Korea? That would be a start. But we would still have to deal with a number of ignoramuses who can't be bothered to wear a mask. Ignorant fools.


Posted by Pro-law
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:03 am

Bob,

Then what’s the measurable goal? No one seems to be able to articulate it. Zero deaths ever ?


Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:27 am

To be honest @Pro-Law, @BobB doesn’t have any other point except to utter “wear a mask.” And as I said before, if Gavin’s point is to wear a mask then why hasn’t he outfitted his citizens with proper, safe masks? We are left to dark alleys and dirt roads to pay for effectual equipment.

“You really have to have a few liberal friends or neighbors to truly understand why you are a conservative. Nothing drives the point more.”

Last point: what hospitals are overrun? Why is the death toll going down? Why is Gavin silent about all the bankruptcy’s? Why are officials struggling to fear monger (getting caught lying about the data and events) if they have actual science and examples to point to? We should ask more questions instead of nodding as bovines.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 11:00 am

@Pro-Law,

Trump's goals were all over the map. New Zealand and Taiwan articulated very clear goals from the start. Like I said, we screwed up royally. We've got to pick up the pieces of this mess. Follow the CDC guidelines and do our best. The United States really embarrassed itself in this one. And it's cost many many lives, and many many people were sickened. A lot of people lost their jobs and businesses and weren't properly compensated. And now the economy is in a dangerous place as well.


Posted by Pro-law
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 4:26 pm

Bob,

My question remains: Then what’s the measurable goal?

I’m not trying to be political whatsoever when I ask. I don’t care what Newsom or Trump have to say in this forum.

What do you personally think the goal should be in order to be 100% back to normal (or even close to it)? We have to be able to have actual measurable goals ... isn’t that reasonable?


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:15 pm

You're asking me to set public policy goals? I'm in no position to do that. But I do know a screw up when I see it, and that is us. If you want to chime in on what targets, milestones, timelines, and strategies make sense in the US given the disastrous situation we find ourselves in, please feel free. It's going to be tough going for a while.


Posted by Babs
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 7:42 pm

Hey Bob, You have every right to try to convince your local comrades that socialism is good for them, but most of us understand history and know socialism is a failed policy that HARMS people. Obama had a big problem with both H1N1 and swine flu, but the media ignored it, so most of the US was in the dark about what they had...just thought it was a bad flu. People I know in the Bay Area have scared lungs from it, lots died, but we didn’t shut the state down because it would have reflected bad on Obama who wanted to sweep it under the rug since it came TO CA from another Country and it would interfere with his massive immigration push he needed for votes for more failed policies of DEPENDENCE. If Basement Biden wins expect way MORE illness with way LESS media coverage.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:21 pm

Newsoms winery is probably still open though right?

I agree we have no end state to target. And that is wrong.

The closest I’ve read to anything is a declining trend sustained for two weeks, but that isn’t a baseline target, it’s a trend.

Our leaders are cowards, too afraid to have difficult discussions around what a “reasonable “ infection, hospitalization, and death rate are. And it’s not an easy discussion, but a necessary one. This isn’t going away.

I love the US to small island comparisons.....completely transferable....get out of here with that.


Posted by Pro-Law
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:39 pm

Bob,

I touched on my thinking earlier, but as long as the death rate doesn’t go up I personally think it if people/businesses want to take further precautions then people/businesses should be able to individually make that decision. I imagine a good amount of businesses would require masks and have plexi glass.

My concern is the solutions I hear (essentially shutting down the economy) will be worse in the long run than the virus itself. If the economy is continually quasi shutdown it will turn this country into a form of either Communism, Socialism, or Marxism. I don’t see how we will get around that if the economy is quasi shutdown past this year.

It is disappointing when I ask what you think the goals should be and you say you don’t set public policy and that you just want it to be better. It sounds like you have already fallen for the utopia of a ‘perfect’ society in which the government controls everything and you have no say.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:49 pm

PP,

South Korea ain't an island and neither is Holland. They both killed it compared to us. So did Germany for that matter. Our response sucked. We need to learn from all the countries that handled it better. Like most of Asia. We can start by mandatory mask wearing. People are starting to get it. It is still a hot mess! What an embarrassing example the US has set for the world.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:52 pm

pro-law,

All I'm saying is emulate the ones who did it right. and they were lighter on the personal freedoms and heavier on the mandates and compliance. That's what worked.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:23 pm

BobB,
You’re the one that said Taiwan and New Zealand BobB.

And how can you say they did it better when you can’t point to what “good “ looks like here?


Posted by Just asking
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 5:58 am

Bob b
I dont think you were asked to set public policy, just your opinion.
What's the goal. What in your opinion would be adequate numbers to reopen the economy fully. Surely you have a opinion on that. You don't everything else. If you dont have an answer be honest and say I dont know.
Fyi. I dont want you setting public policy either I have read your posts.
YLDM


Posted by jo
a resident of Parkside
on Jul 13, 2020 at 7:09 am

and lets not forgot why the media downplays data from england, even the BBC downplays it.

Web Link

why does the liberals want gov't healthcare like england.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 8:59 am

Hey PP,

Look at all the other countries I mentioned. They're pretty much killing it compared to the incompetent fools in America. Even Canada is doing better. It is good that the EU bans Americans from visiting.


Posted by Outdoor dining question
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 9:51 am

Why is sitting 6 feet away from another table eating and talking without a mask considered 'safe?' I don't understand why outdoor dining is considered 'safe' when you are supposed to don a mask when walking outside in case you pass someone on the sidewalk.

With the spiking of deaths and new cases, I think it would be more common sense to roll back these re-openings.


Posted by Free4now
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 11:08 am

@ outdoor dining question, Or you could just stay home and let others eat in peace where they choose. Stop trying to take away everybody else's option to choose how and where they want to eat. Its begining to feel like a communist country here in Alameda County.


Posted by Henry
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 pm

This is not an anti-outside dining comment, but just an observation that downtown Pleasanton on weekend nights appears very much like crowded Florida or South Padre Island beaches, with the only difference that the participants here are generally much older. I'm assuming those dining outside downtown don't mind the risk of severe blood clotting damaging their health for the rest of their lives.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 6:23 pm

BobB ,
Again zero solutions from you. Just deflections. Cant , can’t , cant.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 8:27 pm

PP,

I already suggested one solution which was banning Americans from visiting Europe or Canada. That will at least help keep the American lunatics from spreading it.

I've already pointed out that the right way to approach this was much more severe lockdowns with personal tracking devices and very thorough contact tracing combined with lots of testing. Also strict mask mandates. The countries that did this did the best. There are other approaches that work pretty well. The United States of America's approach sucked!


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 9:54 pm

To what end BobB? Again you’re part of the problem, those of us wanting to move fwd are looking for solutions.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:01 pm

Getting the case/hospitalization numbers low enough so that we can follow phased opening guidelines.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm

Would have been best to get case numbers so low that we could track any outbreak and stop it like other countries have done.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm

But we screwed up royally. America is the embarrassment of the world. What a shame.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:11 pm

“Low enough” - what number BobB?

Can’t aim for a non existent target.

You want people to comply, give them a goal, not an ambiguous nothing


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:34 pm

I'm not asking for that, the government put out guidelines for reopening. It would be a good idea to follow those guidelines.

There were specific targets in those guidelines. Go look them up. Don't be lazy. And remember to always wear a mask. It's not an option.


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