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Alameda County eases restrictions for retail, other industries in latest health order

Original post made on May 18, 2020

Six Bay Area jurisdictions slightly relaxed the region's COVID-19 coronavirus shelter-in-place order Monday, allowing multiple industries to resume operations and retail businesses to offer storefront pick-up.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, May 18, 2020, 11:21 AM

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19 people like this
Posted by James
a resident of Downtown
on May 18, 2020 at 2:01 pm

This is terrific news. Glad to see that hospitals have what they need in case there is a surge in cases, too. I continue to be encouraged by how everyone has adapted as the state, counties, cities, and our industries pulled together the resources necessary to deal with this unprecedented challenge,


9 people like this
Posted by resident
a resident of Beratlis Place
on May 18, 2020 at 5:28 pm

when will lake del valle open back up to boats and cars? i noticed the BMX park is now open, farmers market, other parks, large car gatherings are permitted. why keep del valle closed? i heard they may keep it shut all summer, has anyone else heard this?


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Posted by Marvin Beyan
a resident of another community
on May 18, 2020 at 9:28 pm

Can you please link where you found your information regarding the PPE equipment. It would be really helpful. Thank You


20 people like this
Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on May 19, 2020 at 12:14 am

“ retail businesses to offer storefront pick-up.”

I don’t understand the discrimination towards most businesses in that they are not allowed to open up fully and resemble the activity that other stores are permitted to enjoy and remain profitable. Target, Lowe’s, Home Depot, Lucky’s, Safeway, Costco, Rite Aid, CVC, and more have no problem with people in the stores. They wear masks, but really don’t social distance as I have seen, though I really have no concern over it. The longer the delays, the more stores going under. Pleasanton is starting to resemble a town in financial collapse, and it concerns me. I was encouraged to see the City of Atwater defy the order and open up. This is getting to the point of insane.


6 people like this
Posted by Unknown
a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on May 19, 2020 at 5:00 am

Please do no open school


15 people like this
Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 19, 2020 at 6:23 am

Schools opening is a requirement for businesses opening, parents can’t go to work if kids are home.


3 people like this
Posted by Resident
a resident of Downtown
on May 19, 2020 at 2:18 pm

Since when is a liquor store an essential ? They too have had no SIP operating restrictions.


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Posted by Concerned Taxpayer
a resident of Livermore
on May 19, 2020 at 3:24 pm

Continuing this lockdown is utter insanity forced upon us by the unelected bureaucrats on the health department that do not answer to the citizens. Flattening the curve has morphed into waiting for a cure and it is killing our economy and society. The consequences have become much worse than the disease itself.

Studies show that there is virtually zero chance of outdoor transmission, yet we continue to shut down outdoor activities. Why don't we follow the science in this case?

We can never develop herd immunity if the low risk population is locked up forever.

We should focus only on protecting the at risk population. Nobody is forced to leave their home if they are not comfortable doing so. Everyone else should be free to resume their lives.

100% agree with the comments about small business vs. large. No reasonable argument can be made that it is safe to walk into Home Depot to buy paint, but not the local Sherwin Williams store.


4 people like this
Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2020 at 4:35 pm

We are doing a phased reopening. We are not continuing the lockdown.


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Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on May 20, 2020 at 9:56 am

It was encouraging to see protesters at Hopyard and Valley. We need more of that.

Get the kids back in school and open up all businesses before Pleasanton turns into Dublin, Texas. I don’t want to see tumbleweeds rolling down Main Street by the wind. We are already watching devastation take place in front of our eyes with every waking day and the closure of another business. The alleged cure is worse than the disease.


2 people like this
Posted by Yienwae
a resident of another community
on May 20, 2020 at 10:20 am

Reminder - We are Shelter In Place. Not LOCKDOWN. LOCKDOWN is when you have an enforced CURFEW through martial law that is enforced by the military. Prisons go on lockdown. We are not on lockdown. Last time I checked, I can still go out and shop and go out and walk and exercise. I can also go out and run errands. I still have freedom. I understand that there is fear because many need to go back to work so that they can put food on the table for family. I am compassionate about that and hope that re-opening can occur in a timely fashion that will help our economy. But we are no means on lockdown. I wish more can be done for those who need money to put food on the table because I don't believe enough is being done for them.


20 people like this
Posted by Sick of SIP!
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on May 20, 2020 at 10:52 am

Pleasanton population: 82,000
Number of Pleasanton Coronavirus cases: 57
% of Pleasanton cases: 0.0007%

Time to OPEN up Pleasanton! Burn your masks! Stop the Fear! We’ve had enough!!!


6 people like this
Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2020 at 11:27 am

Just wear a mask. How hard is it to wear a mask?

Don't be this guy.

Web Link


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Posted by Sick of SIP!
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on May 20, 2020 at 12:49 pm

Ah yes good ole’ BobB, weren’t you the same guy touting the high-density housing plan as the greatest idea since sliced bread and that it’s what we needed in the downtown area? Well look what happened in New York and Italy with all that high-density living, sure glad people now see what a bad idea that is!

Open up Pleasanton!


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2020 at 12:52 pm

Open up Pleasanton. Wear a mask. Respect others.


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2020 at 12:56 pm

@Sick,

You didn't answer my question. Why can't you just wear a mask and not be a jerk?

As far as high density goes, Taiwan has more high density housing than New York or Italy, and they have a total of 440 cases and 7 deaths. For the whole country! They just weren't stupid about it.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 20, 2020 at 2:35 pm

Put out by Governor Abbott of Texas:

Web Link

If there is any doubt that Red States are far better at governance than Blue States, you're a lost cause.

Dan


6 people like this
Posted by Wombat
a resident of Downtown
on May 20, 2020 at 3:12 pm

Interesting article in today's SF Gate about a new study to determine the true mortality rate of coronavirus. The authors of the research paper calculate a "true infection fatality rate" of 0.17%. That's about 70% higher than the mortality rate for the common flu 0.1%. So instead of a virus which was initially reported to be about 20-times as deadly as the common flu, it appears that we may be dealing with a virus which is closer to 1.7-times as deadly as the common flu.

Certainly a virus that is 1.7-times more deadly than the common flu is nothing to be ignored, just as the seasonal common flu itself is nothing to be ignored. But it does appear that we overreacted in implementing strict sheltering-in-place policies and causing many businesses and schools to shut down and people to be thrown out of work because of this virus.

Extreme SIP practices for a hypothetical virus which is 20-times more deadly than the flu, yes. Extreme SIP practices for an actual virus which is 1.7-times more deadly than the flu, no. We have devastated far more lives as a result of our overreaction to coronavirus (over 30 million unemployed along with their families) than have died as a direct result of this virus.

SF Gate: "Results adjusted in large-scale Los Angeles County COVID-19 antibody study": Web Link
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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2020 at 3:39 pm

Wombat,

That article had a lot of promising information. Thanks for highlighting it. Didn't it conclude that that the infection fatality rate was about 3x that of the common flu, not 1.7x? Admittedly, that is a better number than earlier estimates. Also, to complete the comparison, you would need to remember that no one had immunity to COVID-19, unlike the common flu where many do, so the overall number of infections would still be much higher without mitigation. That would make the overall fatality rate from COVID-19 more like 5 to 6 times higher than the flu?


5 people like this
Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 20, 2020 at 3:54 pm

There BobB goes again challenging math.

The denominator is a lot larger than reported BobB.


2 people like this
Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2020 at 4:06 pm

@PP,

Did you read the article, or what I wrote? Is it that hard to put on a mask?


8 people like this
Posted by Wombat
a resident of Downtown
on May 20, 2020 at 4:09 pm

@BobB

You're right. The data from the Los Angeles study implies an infection fatality rate of 0.31%. In summary, the article states:

• Santa Clara study calculates a 0.17% infection fatality rate.
• Unweighted data from Santa Clara study gives a 0.33% infection fatality rate.
• German study referenced in SF Gate article found a 0.37% infection fatality rate.
• Data from Los Angeles study implies a 0.31% infection fatality rate.

For comparison, the common flu has an infection fatality rate of about 0.1%.

So multiple sources are suggesting that the deadliness of coronavirus is very far from the "20-times deadlier than the common flu" level which was first reported for coronavirus. Studies are finding that this new virus is in the range of 1.7-times to 3.7-times more deadly than the common flu.


6 people like this
Posted by Wombat
a resident of Downtown
on May 20, 2020 at 4:25 pm

@BobB wrote "Also, to complete the comparison, you would need to remember that no one had immunity to COVID-19, unlike the common flu where many do, so the overall number of infections would still be much higher without mitigation. That would make the overall fatality rate from COVID-19 more like 5 to 6 times higher than the flu?"

The fact that there is no vaccine for coronavirus currently available no doubt pushes up the total fatality rate relative to that of the flu. But I think that an important thing to note is that coronavirus deaths (as well as flu deaths) are not equally spread across all age groups. Coronavirus deaths are largely concentrated among seniors, with the average age of death due to coronavirus being about 75. This suggests that our efforts should really be focussed on protecting seniors and those with significant pre-existing health conditions rather than shutting down large sectors of society by closing businesses and schools. People who are young and in good health have a greater chance of dying in a car accident than dying from coronavirus.


3 people like this
Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2020 at 4:47 pm

"This suggests that our efforts should really be focussed on protecting seniors and those with significant pre-existing health conditions ..."

Agree that there needs to be more focus on those groups moving forward. I sincerely hope we don't see a big resurgence as we open back up or when flu season returns.


2 people like this
Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2020 at 7:11 pm

PP,

Read the article. It is all about the denominator.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 20, 2020 at 7:12 pm

The only places in the US where the infection rates and death rates came close to matching the models' predictions is in those Democrat states whose Democrat governors engineered a mass slaughter of the elderly by ordering that the infected be mixed in with the uninfected but compromised.

Fact.

Please, please refute this Democrats. I'm happy to be wrong.

Dan


2 people like this
Posted by Have We Learned
a resident of Southeast Pleasanton
on May 21, 2020 at 1:25 am

Regardless of math and being sick of SIP, it is clear our air quality has improved, it’s quieter, less stressful to drive, and wildlife has reclaimed some areas. Of course Its terrible people are suffering from illness and dying. And people are suffering, job losses and economic hardships along with the kids missing out on activities and friends,
Anonymously I’ll say the Un-PC , it feels more peaceful when I’m outside and it’s nice to have my neighbors all home during the day waving from a six foot distance and actually talking to each other instead of just driving in and out of their garages.
I hope we learn some socio and environmental quality from all this. More tele-commuting, staying home more instead of always driving around buying stuff, eating fast food and taking kids to Over-programmed activities. It’s the mindless consumerism and pollution which is slowly killing us.


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Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on May 21, 2020 at 9:23 am

I found this interesting in respect to California, Texas, Florida, and New York.

Web Link


2 people like this
Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 21, 2020 at 9:33 am

"...it appears that we may be dealing with a virus which is closer to 1.7-times as deadly as the common flu"

Deadly for whom and why?

For what population demographic has the virus impacted more?
What were the conditions that led to said population being infected?

These are not trick questions.

I'll answer them so that I can add a little more color to your previous comment.

The population demographic that was overwhelmingly affected as a % of deaths is over 60...WELL over 60. That answers number 1.

What explains a major portion of number 2 is that Governors in those States that were most impacted set forth regulations which mixed the populations of 1 with populations of infected seniors that the hospitals sent because there was nothing they could do with them.

Conclusion: The State Governments in their infinite wisdom infected and killed more people with their stupid regulations than need be. That is a fact.

The State Governments are the ones that created the blueprint for the current death rate of the 1.7 stated in the article.

Not only did they create the circumstances that infected and killed more people than was necessary, their ruining the economy because of these policies as well.

A two-fer, so to speak.

But lets keep them in office because...whatever!

It is a tragedy.

Dan


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 21, 2020 at 9:36 am

Jake,

LOL...I posted that yesterday (just the graphic) and amazingly had rec'd no responses to it.

Not surprised in the slightest.

Dan


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 21, 2020 at 9:43 am

"Anonymously I’ll say the Un-PC , it feels more peaceful when I’m outside and it’s nice to have my neighbors all home during the day waving from a six foot distance and actually talking to each other instead of just driving in and out of their garages."

Yep, and all it took to achieve all this was bad Democrat policies; a compliant and frightened population; and one more other thing that is on the tip of my tongue...

...oh yeah, the death of almost 100,000 citizens and financial ruin to about 40 million others.

But at least its peaceful, quiet and clear and the animals are free once again.

Dan


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2020 at 10:11 am

@Jake Waters,

Bill Gates is coming to vaccinate you! I saw that on one of my favorite web sites. Or maybe it was just the chemtrails talking. Tough to tell these days.


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Posted by Sick of SIP!
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on May 21, 2020 at 1:22 pm

Btw BobB, Taiwan was not on lock-down, SIP, quarantine, whatever. Businesses, restaurants, schools were all open. People weren’t intimidated by fear and were “allowed” to go on with their daily lives. Sounds like a healthy way to live.


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2020 at 2:04 pm

@Sick,

And in Taiwan everyone wears a mask, and there is thorough contact tracing.

Just wear a mask. How hard is that?


2 people like this
Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2020 at 2:07 pm

Maybe if certain Americans didn't insist on being ignorant they could learn from what Taiwan did.

Web Link


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2020 at 2:33 pm

And idiot Trump doesn't wear a mask at the Ford plant even after he's told to do so.


2 people like this
Posted by Karen F
a resident of Alisal Elementary School
on May 21, 2020 at 5:37 pm

DKHSK, you patronize my comments. The main point is after the COVID-19 SIP, I hope we telecommute more and drive less. And don’t mindlessly fall into consumerism. We are killing the planet. Leave the politics out of my post. That’s your bent.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 21, 2020 at 7:51 pm

"DKHSK, you patronize my comments...leave the politics out of my post. That’s your bent."

Just like all Democrats, always wanting to limit free speech.

Dan


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