I drove by this morning. How stupid to gather together as they did with no social distancing or face coverings.
Don't they realize LIVES matter more than small business???

@Tracy Seals

Businesses and the jobs they create are lives, too. How do you think that people are able to put food on their tables for their families?

BTW, how many lives have been lost to coronavirus in Livermore?

@Wombat

Also hard to sustain a business if your customers end up too sick to shop at your store. The big reason why more people aren't sick or worse in the Bay Area should be credited to the shelter in place guidelines. Opening too early and facilitating a second wave of infections will only set us back more and make the economy worse.

I love the “lives matter” argument, as if every person on the street is a bullet to someone’s head. Less than 4% death rate, and really far less, and highly focused to at risk groups.

Fear monger troll

Only 4 percent death rate? So only 100 times as deadly as the flu. No big deal.

There was a way to do this right. Following the request of Livermore Downtown Inc to move over to the Christmas tree lot instead of essentially blocking access to 2 restaurants in front of the protest. To have people wearing masks and distancing, acting like they want to allow businesses to open with proper guidelines followed.

Instead, we had chants of "OPEN UP NOW" (consequences are someone else's problem) and people wrapped in flags as if this has anything to do with patriotism.

Ridiculous.

Don't be a coward. Follow the rules.

Don’t live life in fear. Get your pets spayed and neutered.

And vaccinate your children.

Treat others as you would like to be treated.

The issue is simple. Some people are so angry at being told what to do—save lives, wash hands, don’t gather, wear masks—that they, like petulant children, throw temper tantrums and act out to demonstrate how angry they are.

Good. So now the left and the right have something in common...their fringes protest a lot and ruin it for everyone else.

As for whether businesses are lives, there is a real discussion to be had about the real life consequences of economic damage. But it’s not black and white, open everything up or shut it down. There were and are a hundred other things we could do that are safer for everyone.

4% is a huge amount. Don’t pretend it’s small because it’s not 40%. You don’t want to see that 4% spread through the whole community. There will be bodies in the streets at that rate. Yes, at 4%. Or did you think that 4% of the population is undertakers?

4% and bodies in the street.....?! Give me a break.

Go try your fear mongering elsewhere.

Seems like the majority of people are doing the right thing and taking this virus seriously. They are following the rules.

How would you know if you’re inside BobB.

Thank you to all the Livermore hero’s who assembled in downtown Livermore to demonstrate their distrust of California totalitarian leadership (oxymoron I suppose), and demand the city to open up so you can go back to work. You citizens should be praised and we support you. It was a display of COURAGE. Thank you so much.

Each day brings us the reality of the false data and models. This is about power, control, and politics. Don’t listen to these faux medical experts that say the same thing over and over again. More and more medical personnel are being silenced by the 4 tech giants to keep the information of the internet. Look at the recent spending bill proposed by Nancy Pelosi and it tells you everything about who they are.

I was out and about today. Following the rules.

@Jake Waters,

Nobody wants to hear about how terrible vaccines are. Vaccinate your children. Get your flu shot.

@Jake Waters,

Vaccines do not cause autism.

Pleasanton Parent,

Just wear a mask when you go out, practice social distancing, and follow the rules.

Don't be a coward.

Happy to follow social distancing and staying home if I have any illness.

Not wearing a mask, especially when people are bringing their animals into stores (non medical assistant animals).

People in stores aren’t even wearing them correctly, halfway off their faces.....let’s stop the charade.

If it makes you feel safer, you can wear a mask. I won’t stop you.

I’ll wear a mask when I go to the hospital or retirement home, not gunna do it in stores or in public.

Done. Don’t be a sheep BobB.

Shorter Pleasanton Parent:

"Some people are doing [wrong thing / thing I don't like], so I will also do [wrong thing] intentionally."

People doing it wrong doesn't make it a charade. But your approach makes you look utterly juvenile.

State doesn’t do what fed says is right, counties don’t do what state says is right, school districts don’t do what governer says is right, jails don’t do what law says is right.....seems precedent supports individuals deciding what they think is right.

And while that may be more in line with a juvenile reaction, I’ll concede to that so long as you acknowledge the same adjective applies to the previously mentioned organizations, then what I find more frustrating is the lack of science, specifically standardization around this requirement. No 1 any face covering doesn’t cut it, but we tell people it does. No 2 our awareness to illness is greater, healthier people are out people that are ill are staying home. Yes their are those asymptotic cases.....has anyone provided % of the population that fall into this category? I haven’t read any validated claims to what % of carriers fall into this category. Not being sarcastic, genuine question. Point being, when you layer non effective masks into the equation what % of the problem are we addressing. We challenge everyone to “listen to the science”, but chastise anyone asking to “see the science”. Doesn’t add up.

Just read something this morning that said that all REPUBLICAN states were opening and that all DEMOCRAT states remained closed.

It is very clear that the DEMOCRAT STATES have mismanaged their virus reactions and have felt a need to remain cowering in their houses. I mean, take a look at New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts to understand how bad policies implemented by the Democrat leadership have made matter MUCH worse.

What is completely flummoxing me (I'm kidding) is why the DEMOCRAT STATE of California (and the rest of the BLUE STATES) is continuing its lockdown policy with so few deaths, comparatively.

The Mayor of Los Angelas just extended his lockdown another 3 months and said that they'd be on some form of lock down until a CURE was found.

Get that...a CURE.

Is this what people really want?

Dan

I'll say it again. I am a sheep. The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want.

Our California death rate is less than 1%.....40,000,000 population divided by 2,924 deaths as of last week = .0006%
Am I missing something? "Flatten the curve"? We never had a curve to flatten. Time to get things open again and at least attempt to save all the small businesses that are hurting so desperately. Those who wish to stay sheltered...stay sheltered!

@Castle Anna,

Yep, you're missing something.

@ BobB

You're right! I was missing something...the death toll is now 3,207 (mainly southern California) which equates to

.00008% (missed a zero the first time)....still less than 1%.

Unless you have different stats from ???, I'll stick with what's being published by the State of California.

Castle Anna,
Using the total Ca population as the denominator isn't the right way to calculate the death rate. I really believe using the total infected, with some calculated estimate on the total infected vs reported is the right way, which still puts the number far lower than 4%.

@ Pleasanton Parent

Thanks. With that said, we have way less than 1% of our total population infected. Flipping it around, 96-97% of those infected survive.

Like I mentioned earlier, I am not a small business owner but my heart aches for all of these folks who just want to safely open up and start back to work...who NEED to open their businesses to survive!!!

It's time!

GO FORTH AND LIVE

Saturday was Occupy Main Street USA others just call it Occupy America. Locally we call it "Save Our Town."  My wife and I kept our masks in our pocket to defend against unknown responses by law enforcement, not so much to protect ourselves from the unmasked public. Law enforcement was present and non-aggressive and I think that speaks well for our Mayor and for the new Chief of Police. Also it's quite evident many officers are sympathetic privately for the crowd present and their message. The officers are our families and friends and many realize how much is at stake to our future liberties, how much is at stake by rash government ill advised warp speed rush to vaccinate and the potential horrors of  forced vaccinations by a pharma industry not liable for their killings or sicknesses that will likely follow and be covered up as CV-19 deaths. The main statement was small businesses matter too.  Some small business owners are losing their life's work to this pandemic and those responsible for developing this illegal bio-weapon. There were many different reasons people were present.

THE NARRATIVE HAS CHANGED

Friday afternoon I plowed through the 3-hour interview of my mentor-hereon, Dr. Judy Mikovits on Dr. Paul Cottrell's interview channel. Big government, Big Pharma CDC, NIH, and FDA have done all within their power to debunk, jail, bankrupt and suppress her. I really like her CALL TO ACTION. Her science his well covered in her three hour interview:  [Portion removed due to promoting a website]  I would urge people to actually listen to her over copying and pasting attacks and debunks of her. We've all seen and read them. Now it's Judy's turn. And you're not going to like what she says, and she has the goods on these criminals in spades.

CALL TO ACTION (DR. JUDY MIKOVITS)

--- Repeal 1986 National Vaccine injury Compensation Act
--- Enact immediate Moratorium on ALL Vaccines Until All and the entire Vaccine Schedule is Safety Tested
--- End all Mandates and Restore Liability to all
--- Convict criminals at CDC, FDA, NIH for crimes against humanity
--- Eliminate Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
--- Use NIH and CDC & FDA patent Royalties to Compensate all Victims of the 35 Year Plague of Corruption

@Rich Buckley,

Take your anti-vaxx garbage elsewhere.

Vaccinate your children. Stay away from pseudo-science. Vaccinations don't cause autism.

When news about coronavirus first broke, there were reports that the mortality rate was about 2% to 4%, which would make it about 20 to 40 times as deadly as the common flu. What we’re seeing in this country and in the world doesn’t indicate that this virus is anywhere near that deadly. The mortality rate was probably greatly overestimated because medical experts were unaware of how many infected people are asymptomatic. The latest info I’ve seen indicates that coronavirus may be about 3 to 4 times as deadly as the common flu and that deaths are concentrated among seniors and those with significant pre-existing health problems. The average age of death for a coronavirus victim is 75.

So given the fact that we don’t practice sheltering-in-place with the common flu each flu season and that we don’t close down schools and businesses during each flu season, the question arises as to whether we’re overreacting in dealing with this new virus? In my opinion, the answer is “yes”.

There may well be a day when we see a new, deadly virus which really is 20 to 40 times more deadly than the common flu and we will need to take extreme sheltering-in-place measures against it, but this isn’t it.

Buncha bureaucrats and people with cushy jobs "working from home" telling people who work with their hands they can't work to pay their rent/bills/mortgage.

If YOUR income was shut off, maybe you'd be protesting to go back to work too? 99.8% survival rate unless you're old or have a pre-existing condition.

@BukLau,

The best number for overall case mortality rate is still 4%. Social distancing will be with us throughout the summer.

BobB,
You can’t have it both ways. You either accept this isn’t as contagious and subject to asymptotic spread as being advertised or you accept the infected population is significantly higher than testing suggests which drastically tanks that 4% death rate.

You might be forgetting that social distancing and stay at home orders slow asymptomatic spread.

So you agree the infection rate is higher which in turn means the death rate is lower than 4%?

Asymptomatic people become symptomatic. The best numbers we have are the best numbers we have. As we get more data, accuracy improves. The experts work through all that.

The anti-vaxxers who posted above are just nuts.

@BobB wrote "Asymptomatic people become symptomatic."

Huh? Actually, no. A lot of people who have been infected with coronavirus never ever showed any symptoms of it at all. The only way researchers discovered that the people had had the virus was by finding that they had COVID-19 antibodies in their bloodstream despite the fact that they said that they never had any symptoms of coronavirus.

Actually yes, they do. What we don't know is how many. They think of all that.

@BobB

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

How many asymptomatic become symptomatic.

BobB,
You lose all credibility if you can’t admit simple math holds true.

Answer the question directly- So you agree the infection rate is higher which in turn means the death rate is lower than 4%?

Just look it up. I'm not an expert. Death rate is always lower than case mortality rate. Just like the flu.

Stop deflecting BobB. Do you agree the death rate is actually lower than reported due to more people being infected with covid than tests reported reflect?

Simple question BobB

Reported by whom? CDC? National institutes of Health? Fox news? I said case mortality rate, not death rate. Again, look it up -- There all sorts of experts out there doing this sort of stuff who really know what they're talking about.

" I'm not an expert."

You've finally said something we can all agree on.

Dan

There all sorts of experts out there doing this sort of stuff who really know what they're talking about."

Yeah, but are they correct?

Kinda the point, isn't it?

I mean if the model used to predict infections and deaths from the pandemic was "buggy", then all the predictions based on the model were incorrect. Then all the response to the Pandemic was made in ignorance and belief, instead of "science".

All one has to do is look at what happened in New York, Massachusetts and New Jersey to know that incompetence and politics have ruled the roost when it comes to decisions on the Pandemic. And look no further than Los Angelas with its lengthening the lockdown for another 3 months. Breathtakingly dumb.

Surprisingly, Alameda County is lifting some, but only because Elon Musk made them look like the incompetent fools they really are and called them out.

The White House strategy of letting Federalism reign free and letting the States dictate their own measures (with the full support from the Feds) was brilliant. It let all the States citizens know who REALLY was responsible for the spread of the Pandemic.

It really was brilliant and, constitutional, to boot.

Trumped again, eh Democrats?

Dan

Its really interesting.

The number of cases is pretty equal between the ages of 18-44 and 45-64 around 400k each.

The cases for 65-74 and 75+ are fairly equal at 123k and 144k respectively.

I cannot, however, find the death rates for any of these groups as a total. Does anyone know of a resource that will tell me how many have died from the above groups?

According to Worldometers, the share of deaths between ages 65-75+ in New York City, which they claim is the only data they have, is 73%.

So 73% of deaths in NYC due to COVID and any co-morbidities is in the 65-75+ age groups, which make up a much smaller % of the total cases than 18-64.

If anyone wants to correct my math, please have at it.

Dan

Yes the experts have the best numbers that we have. That's the point. Not random people on the internet. just like shining bright lights on people isn't going to cure their coronavirus.

And no rush Limbaugh and Sean hannity are not medical experts.

And Dr. Judy Mikovits is also a fraud like all anti-vaxxers.

"Donald Trump Reveals He Is Taking Hydroxychloroquine"

Web Link

Gee...a leader who actually talks the talk, and walks the walk.

How refreshing.

Nannies most impacted.

Dan

@BobB

BobB says: “ There all sorts of experts out there doing this sort of stuff who really know what they're talking about.”. You need to keep your narrative straight. You have been dismissing all sources brought forward except your own. Of course, your not an expert or a Doctor, however you like to play one on comment boards. Oh, by the way, don’t vaccinate- it’s dangerous to your health as witnessed here by your rants. LOL.

But in the words of Elon Musk: ‘Take the red pill.’

@DKHSK wrote “ "Donald Trump Reveals He Is Taking Hydroxychloroquine" Web Link. Gee...a leader who actually talks the talk, and walks the walk. How refreshing.”

LOL! Let us know when he starts injecting himself with disinfectant.

Yes, Jake Waters,

Judy Mikovits is a fraud just like all anti-vaxxers. Of course she is not a legitimate "source" but a quack who was fired and jailed.

@BobB

BobB= irremediable.

Have a great day! Have you taken the red pill yet?

RUN THIS BY YOUR DOCTOR - I am not medically trained.

Daily Prophylaxis for protection: to give your body above average levels of Vitamin C and Vitamin D3 plus Chaga Mushroom Tea/Coffee.

About Chaga Web Link .

There are also other good protocols to help build a strong immune system, including various nano-silver products, and HCQ as POTUS takes are all geared to blocking the virus from "burst" phenomenon. Give yourself a fighting chance for what comes next after SIP. Take personal responsibility to try and build a stronger immune system.

RUN THIS BY YOUR DOCTOR - I have no medical training.

Daily Prophylaxis for protection: to give your body above average levels of Vitiman C and Vitamin D3 plus Chaga Mushroom Tea/Coffee. About Chaga Web Link . There are also other good protocols to resist CV-19 virus bursts including various nano-silver products. Also HCQ like POTUS uses daily. Give yourself a fighting chance for what comes next after SIP. Take personal responsibility to try and build a stronger immune system. I focus on taking easy to obtain and cheap to buy supplements available everywhere in C, D3, and Chaga. Plus I try to get some daily exercise, some time outside and sleep.

Anti-vaxxers are taking over! Head for the hills. Gina please in this thread!

you cant calculate the percentage of deaths because no one knows how many have had this flu. FACT.
Bob b you are a coward for being a sheep. The people you kisren to are eitjer lying or clueless as their story changes week by week. Wear a mask dont wear a mask etc etc. Fauci contradicted himself several times now. I remeber when alot of sheep followed the nazi party and beleived their scientists lol. If your scaredof the flu stay home. If your scared to stand up to your corruot lyimg government. Your a coward. If you wantto keepbringing virus and disease to this country keep letting illegals in. Rapists murderers and now disease carrying death zonbies. China is not our freind xhina is are enemy. We should treat china like nazi germany. Dont do business with them and jail anyone who does. China is evil the new nazi's # cough on bob b