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Original post made by Donatedout, Walnut Grove Elementary School, on Aug 20, 2019

So tired of being asked to donate to schools when I don't think the district is using the funds well. $250 here, $600 there, $50 here, $20 there. Is it just me? I'm beginning to feel like this is philanthropy for the privileged. Who needs more Ipads? Kindergartners do. {insert eye roll now}

Parents who enrich their local school through their donations may feel less of an incentive to advocate for public education at the state level. And these parental fund-raising efforts do increase inequality (if only modestly, in relation to the some $600 billion each year that K-12 public education costs).

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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 21, 2019 at 6:01 pm

Guilt tax. Shame on us for voting union friendly people into positions of authority.

They’re all getting paid, retirements funded, payouts for poor performance.....meanwhile our kids can’t get resources at school


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Golden Eagle
on Aug 21, 2019 at 6:47 pm

Agree that state funding would be much more significant and is critically needed. There does not seem to be any pressure on the state regarding education. I don't see the federal government getting pressure to meet their funding requirements either.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 22, 2019 at 9:20 am

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First, there are funding formulas that are supposed to level the playing fields that don’t really accomplish that. This state has about 100 communities wealthy enough to avoid state formulas (for the most part). The outcome is the entire community’s taxes support their schools, the best private public schools. (To be fair, they also don’t get additional funding with each new student that arrives like other districts.)

Simplified, but districts like Pleasanton end up sending our property taxes to Sacramento, who then grinds the formulas and gives us back less than was collected. That skim goes to a variety programs/districts to level their funding up.

We donate directly to teachers or a specific school. I want to know the money will stay there and not be thrown into the General Fund. The district will say you should write the check to them with a notation of who you want to receive those funds. Like some, I’m not willing to trust that system.

I also no longer donate to PPIE, although I respect those hardworking volunteers. It’s a Catch 22. They fund important people and programs we might otherwise lose. But I do not like hearing we can’t fund, for example, extended library hours, but suddenly there are millions available for raises.

So yeah, we’ve got a problem complicated by needing to pay well enough to attract the best teachers and covering pension costs balanced against insufficient everything we want for our students—starting with classrooms, to field trips, to consumables.


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Posted by J
a resident of Foothill High School
on Aug 23, 2019 at 8:47 am

shelled out over 1K easy... yes it adds up. Much like middle school, not all kids need chromebooks. Give them to the kids that truly need them which is pleasanton is probably alot less then we think.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of another community
on Sep 2, 2019 at 8:30 pm

If you're tired of being asked to donate money (we all get tired of it) just ignore it. Or say NO. Nobody can pressure you in to doing something you don't want to do. That being said, I still donate to charity. And education is very important. Be thankful you're not poor.


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Posted by Work together
a resident of California Reflections
on Sep 2, 2019 at 10:01 pm

I don't mind the donations I wish they would all work together. I wonder if each entity knows how much the others are asking for? Individual teachers should not be permitted to ask for money. It's different from class to class and grade to grade. The school should ask for a donation and then make sure each teacher gets what they need to teach the class.I do agree with much of what was said already. I think a lot of what we pay for is a want not a need. I am thankful for all we have.


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Posted by Reality Bites
a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 6, 2019 at 12:30 pm

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I don't mind donating to support activities for my children and for those children truly in need, BUT, many parents in Pleasanton have learned to game the system. Since our donations to not go directly to support our children, rather all donations go into a pool of funds for pizza parties, or field trips, or classroom supplies. This is to allow for families that cannot donate to still participate in the activities. What has been happening over the past few years is that well off parents have consciously not donated knowing other parents will contribute and their kids will still be able to participate or benefit from the donations.


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Posted by Tina
a resident of Mission Park
on Sep 11, 2019 at 5:20 pm

The truth is, teachers deserve appropriate pay AND raises, just like everyone else. Yes, they choose to teach and most love doing so, but they should be adequately compensated. Instead of attacking teachers, maybe we should attack how school as funded - or NOT funded as the issue may be. Personally I strongly dislike the fact the district asks parents and parent groups to fund things the school really should be funding. But, they go away if we don't so it's a catch 22. However, NO ONE wants their taxes to go up to fund schools, and I get it. So it feels like a problem with no solution.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 11, 2019 at 11:04 pm

9 months of work, 8am-330 pm hrs, six figure salary, pensions. Raises in retirement.......

Yeah, extend the school yr to be yr round, extend hours to be reflective of what most bay area employees experience and we can agree to pay raises commiserate with work.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 12, 2019 at 8:19 am

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PP, there is a problem with only looking at hours worked. We need to consider the value of what is provided. The obvious choice is professional athletes. I’ll pick football, 16 games, preseason, training, a young person’s game (you aren’t playing at 55). It isn’t a 9-5 job. Yet here is Russell Wilson, QB, Seahawks, Average annual salary: $35 million, Guaranteed: $107 million for his contract (the guarantee suggests less than four years). I don’t particularly care that someone is paying Wilson that kind of money. Somebody values his work and is willing to pay him. Yeah, it’s a dangerous job. So is being a coal miner.

So it is a bit wacky that we entrust our children to get an education—what they need to function in the world the rest of their lives—and we pay far less than $107 million for that person’s lifetime of work, even with a pension. I’d much prefer to pay the best a better salary and raise tenure to at least five years (first day of sixth year to get tenure). The value of what is provided far exceeds that of a football player, even as a fan.


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Posted by Tina
a resident of Mission Park
on Sep 12, 2019 at 8:48 am

I'm always surprised that a city like Pleasanton, where so many people receive raises, bonuses, stocks, RSU's etc., complain so much about teachers being fairly compensated. If you're jealous the school year is only 10 months, there is nothing that stops you from going to school for a bachelor's degree, spending a year in student teaching, finding a school to hire you, making sure you have proper credentials, keeping up with your required professional development, and being a teacher. And I agree with everything you just said Kathleen :)


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:07 am

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"The truth is, teachers deserve appropriate pay AND raises,..."

I was waiting for this.

1.)The average teacher at Foothill HS is in front of kids 4.41 hours per day. Most zoom out right after the bell rings, I've seen it.
2.) They get a "break" of one period per day (53 minutes) plus 1/2 hour for lunch.
3.) Average pay for a teacher in our district used to be $80k a few years back. Don't know what it is now but it must be higher.
4.)Along with 2+ months of Summer vacation, the average teacher also gets another 30 days paid time off for holidays, spring break, winter breaks...etc. Teacher in-service is NOT included. Total time off: 15 weeks (almost 4 months)
5.) Has guaranteed employment through the union unless grossly incompetent.

Contrast:

1.) Average silicon valley engineer works 8 hours per day.
2.) Get 1 hour of lunch per day. No breaks. Work from home and on weekends in stretches to meet deadlines.
3.) Makes an average $120k per year.
4.) 3 weeks of vacation and 11-12 days of holiday. (most don't use up vacation) Total of 5+ weeks time off.
5.) Has probably been laid off half a dozen time in his/her career.

Don't get me wrong, if you can get the benefits like teachers do, more power to you and good for you.

But STOP acting like you are somehow missing out on being paid more. You obviously have a great job with comparatively great hours and pay and almost 4 months off from work.

You have no idea how good you have it.

Stop whining.

Dan


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:13 am

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Kathleen,

"property taxes to Sacramento, who then grinds the formulas and gives us back less than was collected. That skim goes to a variety programs/districts to level their funding up."

Well, someone keeps voting in Democrats to continue this practice. And that "skim" is way more than that. They take as much as possible to fund billions in unnecessary programs for their prized constituents.

There should be no complaints here. You get the government you voted for.

Dan


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:22 am

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Kathleen,

"We need to consider the value of what is provided."

Funny, we had a conversation about value in the last thread.

In this instance, it is the Government, with the help of unions, that has set the value of teachers. The matter has been taken completely out of the hands of the tax paying citizens.

In short, what you have here is a dose of "democratic socialism" and good ole competing interests for tax payer funds.

How do you like it, teachers?

And for actual value, for the time and effort worked, teachers in this district have a REALLY good gig. Many work during the Summer to supplement that good gig and make even more than a well paid senior engineer with vastly more education then the teacher.

Let's stop this charade.

Dan


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:27 am

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Tina,

"If you're jealous the school year is only 10 months, there is nothing that stops you from going to school for a bachelor's degree,"

Most all of us have bachelors degrees in STEM and business majors. And because of these degrees, we're able to do the math that it takes to compare what you do, to what we do.

And because we can compare, we can say to you: STOP COMPLAINING.

You're doing better than most. :)

Dan


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 12, 2019 at 1:03 pm

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Dan, You assume teachers are less educated. Not always true.

Unions are a factor to be worked with; not impossible.

Going to agree with Tina; try being a teacher. The best teachers work nights, weekends, get more training, go for higher degrees, and often need to supplement their income. The best love what they do and care about their students and their education. I would love to reward them.

You complain all the time on any number of topics, Dan. Glass house?


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 12, 2019 at 1:51 pm

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Kathleen,

"Dan, You assume teachers are less educated. Not always true."

No. Just educated differently.

"try being a teacher."

Sorry...no sympathies here. They made their choice, just like the rest of us.

"I would love to reward them.

Then do so. Put your money where your mouth is...so to speak.

"You complain all the time on any number of topics, Dan. Glass house?"

Why is a clear rebuttal always called a complaint?

I didn't realize that comparing teachers salaries and work hours was actually complaining. In fact, I said " if you can get the benefits like teachers do, more power to you and good for you."

Perhaps you forgot to read that far?

The only complaint came from Tina who said "The truth is, teachers deserve appropriate pay AND raises".

If she had done a modicum of research, she'd probably find out that she makes about as much per hour as many others who have advanced degrees in Stem fields, yet works 1/3 fewer hours per year.

Don't blame me for the numbers or for calling them out. They are what they are.

Teachers should stop complaining. Glass houses and all...

Dan







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Posted by $40,000 to LAUREN ANDRADE
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2019 at 2:06 pm

Several years back, Lauren Andrade (FHS swim coach, psych teacher) received a settlement of $40,000 and allowed to resign; however, her teaching credential is self-revoked pending misconduct investigation. Hmmmmmmm. How much of this goes on in this district?? $40,000 could have been put to better use!!!


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 12, 2019 at 9:27 pm

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"$40,000 could have been put to better use!!!"

Of course it could...but it won't. Because unions and the school district government combine to negotiate AGAINST the taxpayers best interest.

Abolish the union, and you fix this problem. Institute merit pay and you'll see things improve.

Dan


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:01 pm

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Dan, true on unions and merit pay. Never going to happen. Have to find solutions with what we have.


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Posted by Pmom
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2019 at 10:54 pm

Teachers are well paid. The unfortunate part is (removed) teachers (and we have plenty of (removed) teachers in Ptown) are paid well as fantastic teachers (and we have plenty of those as well). Some schools (WG) identify parents/students who donate and those who don’t. The upcoming trip to outdoor ed included a note where you had to indicate if you needed a scholarship or mad a donation. It’s absurd. A scholarship for a field trip? It’s illegal to require donations so the workaround is public shaming.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 13, 2019 at 6:29 am

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Others have posted there is a problem where those who can afford a trip but don’t pay, leaving others to pick up the tab. Where do you think the money comes from for field trips or other extras? The alternative is no trips, no extras. “Free” education is not even remotely free.

As to the comment about good vs bad teachers, yes they are paid the same. Longer periods for getting tenure would make it easier to weed out those who are not dedicated or suited to the classroom. I think even teachers realize that.


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Posted by Pmom
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 15, 2019 at 11:54 pm

Kathleen, I think the money should come from fundraising. Asking parents to donate is illegal and shaming those who can’t or don’t is unethical.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 8:32 am

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It isn’t illegal.

What fundraising do you propose? It doesn’t change that the few will attend and spend and others will benefit.

No one wants to shame those who cannot afford to donate. If it’s a field trip, there is almost always an up charge to cover those students who would otherwise not be able to go. I think this is gracious on the part of those who do pay and are glad to help their neighbors.

This should be less about “I don’t have to” and more about discreetly helping every child have the same experience.

As one example, in the name of “free” education, we have lost enrichment courses for summer school classes because we couldn’t charge a fee. In other cases we have shoved costs onto the district’s general fund. It’s be careful what you wish for. In an attempt to cover the costs the “righteous” parents say they shouldn’t have to pay, we lose programs like Barton because the district has to divert the money elsewhere. That hurts students. Scores drop. Your local school is no longer the bright shiny penny.

Until there is a collective will to force the state to look at funding differently, donations are what districts need. When you create state funding formulas that try to level the playing field, I believe nobody wins. The recipient districts get some funding extras, but it isn’t enough to get solid, successful programs in place. The sending districts, like ours, lose their support programs, and most certainly any extras.

You can’t bake enough cookies to make up for it with fundraising.


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Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2019 at 10:21 am

There will always be parents who can afford to donate, but refuse to donate because they don't want to. There will always be those who really can't afford it, but donate anyway because their heart is in the right place. No one should ever be pressured into donating, regardless of financial situation. Yes, it's unfair when a smaller percentage donate most of the money, but no one ever said life was fair. It's your money, do what you want with it. And everyone else should mind their own business. It's very offensive to tell someone what to do with their money... when it comes to donations. We're mature adults.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 16, 2019 at 11:07 am

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Jennifer,

Well said.

Some of us still believe in free-will and don't cave-in to collective pressure brought on by virtue signaling do-gooders.

Again, well said.

Dan


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 11:47 am

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Dan and Jennifer, You are saying that I may donate, anyone may donate, and your children, regardless of your personal ability to contribute, get to benefit from the generosity of others. Sure. Anyone can be a principled(ish) butthead.

I continue to contribute. I don’t ask how it is used. Others will also do the same. I don’t care if you can or can’t donate. I’m there to help the classrooms I support. But don’t you two stand behind some high and mighty notion of “life isn’t fair.” Choose not to help, because that’s exactly what it is, and don’t preach to the rest of us, including others who also choose not to help.

And let me be clear, if you cannot help, that’s okay. You do what you can for your children. That is enough. And if you can help, and don’t . . . well, that’s unfortunate, but I’m sure you have your reasons.


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Posted by parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm

Don't donate when PUSD charges pupil fees disguised as donations. File a complaint instead. It is illegal. That includes charging for PE uniforms that they say are "required" to participate in PE. Nonsense.

File a complaint. Here is the information. Web Link

What PUSD is doing is illegal. Stop them by refusing to donate and file a complaint instead.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 12:15 pm

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parent, really? You clearly don’t know how to seek change or work well with others.

PAUSD decided students could wear any white t-shirt and any pair of shorts (maybe gym shorts). And that they would provide, for free, to anyone who asked. There are ways to do things. Being an absolute jerk isn’t one of them.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 12:22 pm

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Also, just where do you think this money comes from to cover your outrage? Cutting your nose off to spite everyone else’s face.


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Posted by Pmom
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2019 at 1:22 pm

I'm pointing to the "tracking" of donations. Donations for the trip should be put into a pot and remaining funds raised through fundraisers, bake sales, car washes, make the kids work for it. I'm able to make the donation but I privately pay for so many other costs that the district doesn't cover like Bartons and other tutoring that I don't want to donate to anything else at this time. I don't need a scholarship either, I just do not want to dish out more money. The district isn't providing a Fair Appropriate Public Education "FAPE" like they are legally obligated to do and my donation is to Barton, the music program and counselors.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2019 at 1:51 pm

Kathleen - Jennifer and Dan are being even keeled. They're looking at this logically, and keeping an open mind. You are preaching. You dominate every thread, and it's getting old. Get over yourself.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 2:18 pm

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Thanks Steve. I don’t think people are even keeled when they are not looking for solutions. There is plenty to be concerned about with our district, but donations, if you choose to make them, are important to the students. So I will support getting that support into the classroom. As to a matter of choice, you can choose to not read my posts.

Don’t disagree with most of Pmom’s latest post though.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 2:53 pm

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And, yes, a little preachy this time.


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Posted by Illegal pupil fees
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2019 at 2:55 pm

Here is the State's website that describes the process to file a complaint against PUSD's illegal pupil fees. The website is here -Web Link

It is disturbing how the PUSD tends to engage in public shaming of students and parents when they continuously do not follow the law and request fees in order to have students participate in school as well as extracurricular activities.

If you look up the PUSD website, it looks like they completely are missing a process on their own website to explain how to file a complaint concerning illegal pupil fees. However, the complaint can be done anonymously. The PUSD student handbook explains:

"PUPIL FEES (EC §49010 et seq.): The district is required to establish
policies concerning the provision of a free education to pupils. The district is
also required to establish policies for filing a complaint of noncompliance
under this section using the Uniform Complaint Procedures. Notice of the
district’s fee policies and complaint process shall be provided to pupils,
parents, and employees on an annual basis."

If the District fails to refund the money to all the parents who were charged, for example, to have their children participate in band, buy band uniforms, participate in extracurricular activities such as mock trial, etc., then this can be appealed to the State Department of Education through the appeal process.


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Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2019 at 3:08 pm

@ Kathleen Ruegsegger:

It's not my job to "find a solution." Our kids are grown, and we live in Danville, not Pleasanton. And, yes - I have a right to comment. Why do you feel you have a right to dictate to others what they should or shouldn't be doing? Or thinking what they should or shouldn't be thinking? You're not supporting, you're dictating. This is the comments section of a news site, not a board meeting. All opinions should be respected. I won't be reading your comments anymore - your suggestion to Steve. Your comments are unbearable.

And, yes - my husband support education. Financially and otherwise. I also keep an open mind towards others who choose not to donate, for whatever reason. It's none of my concern, and I respect their decision.


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Posted by Weekly?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2019 at 3:40 pm

Why is the weekly censoring discussions about Pleasanton Middle School and the bb gun shooting. They deleted comments that referenced the law. I suspect the Weekly may have a close connection to the District. It's ironic that the Pleasanton Weekly has NO articles about the shooting.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 4:37 pm

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Jennifer, if you read this, I said “And let me be clear, if you cannot help, that’s okay. You do what you can for your children. That is enough. And if you can help, and don’t . . . well, that’s unfortunate, but I’m sure you have your reasons.”

My concern is how we provide students (in your community or mine) with those things we want the students to have for their educational experiences. So, I apologize if this discussion went sideways, because people will contribute or they won’t or they can’t. I will contribute to classrooms so I know where the money goes. That’s my choice; it doesn’t have to be yours or anyone else’s.

A free education doesn’t exist, at least not at this point. The burden to pay for band or football uniforms or instruments or PE uniforms or caps and gowns or any number of programs will be placed on all of us in other ways—usually through higher taxes or by the programs being limited or cut. I appreciate the work of PTAs and Boosters and the many parents and staff who work tirelessly to keep these programs alive.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 16, 2019 at 4:47 pm

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“You are saying that I may donate, anyone may donate, and your children, regardless of your personal ability to contribute, get to benefit from the generosity of others.”

Kathleen,

I’m astonished you could write this with a straight face. I donate my time and money specifically. I do not tell you where and how much, It’s none of your business. I do so for a variety of reasons.

It’s called: MODESTY.

You come on here and you suggest that others donate. You claim they should donate because others are paying for their children. You have, in my mind, lost your sense of MODESTY and replaced it with virtue signaling.

You have virtue-signaled to everyone around you how good you are and how much better you are than those who don’t do what you do. There are many examples of this in threads you have commented.

Disagreement and fighting back bothers you because, like all virtue-signalers, you think only your ideas are meaningful. You can’t fathom (or accept) that someone thinks differently. It’s simply why you and I disagree on most things and why I chose to remain anonymous.

Sincerely,

Dan


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Posted by Steve
a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2019 at 5:26 pm

Kathleen wants things her way or the highway. She's right, and everyone else is wrong. She DOES think she's better than everyone, and she's being called on it. She can be herself, and the rest of us can ignore her. It's the only way to handle people like her. Her comments on this thread and the gun thread really show her true colors.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 6:47 pm

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Dan, what you quoted is a fact and stated by others. You and Steve just want to single me out. I don’t care what you do or don’t do and didn’t ask anyone to indicate their preferences.

Steve, there actually was a small agreement on the gun issue.


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 16, 2019 at 7:20 pm

Kathleen comments are specific and to the point. Other commentators with opposing viewpoint tend to distract, distort, attempt to humiliate Kathleen. I appreciate Kathleen hanging in there.


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Posted by Nick
a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 16, 2019 at 7:58 pm

Kathleen has made it abundantly clear that she's here to bully others. If you don't agree with her 100%, your opinion doesn't matter. Other readers are finally giving her a taste of her own medicine. She has it coming. It's called standing up to a tyrant. She has nobody to blame but herself. She's trolling, and she knows it.

Donations should be private and optional. Don't pressure anyone, and keep it to yourself. No parent is under any obligation. To this day it's nobody's business what I donated (time and money) to our kids schools.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 16, 2019 at 8:37 pm

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Kathleen,

I'm not singling you out.

You said the following:

"I think this is gracious on the part of those who do pay and are glad to help their neighbors."

"This should be less about “I don’t have to” and more about discreetly helping every child have the same experience."

And my favorite:

"In an attempt to cover the costs the “righteous” parents say they shouldn’t have to pay, we lose programs like Barton because the district has to divert the money elsewhere. That hurts students."

All three are examples, but I'll take the last one first, because it shows your virtue-signaling the best.
Basically, you admit here that parents who donate $ elsewhere are responsible for the continued loss of Barton, instead of holding the district responsible. This is logically incorrect while at the same time absolves the district.

Again, not singling you out, but you seem to be the one that cheerleads the most, so the responses will be directed towards you.

Dan


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 16, 2019 at 8:42 pm

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I don’t need to know what is donated. Never asked what anyone gives.

The original issue is how much has been asked of parents and the bad policies at the state level. I agreed.

And I said, in sum, the money is needed precisely because of the state.

The rest is point counterpoint, mostly with Dan. People disagree with me all the time. I appreciate the different perspectives. And I often learn something along the way and research what is claimed by others.


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Sep 17, 2019 at 8:26 am

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I don't see a problem with what Kathleen said. And I see a couple
of people going out of their way to attack her personally and repeatedly. Perhaps those who are attacking her should simply stop?


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Sep 17, 2019 at 8:30 am

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As for the debate itself: this discussion has gone all over the place, so it's hard to follow.

If the point is that parents should get the services for free since we paid taxes, so stop asking us to donate: clearly there's a money shortfall, so if there aren't donations, then what?

If the point is that the constant requests for donations make you feel guilty: perhaps you should find a way to grow thicker skin?

If the point is that the donations encourage the district to misspend: yes, totally agreed. Something's really off in this district.

If the point is that some people freeride when they can afford to pay: absolutely, and they probably know better, but some people always eat all the doughnuts in the office kitchen. They can't be taught to be better.

If the point is that freeriding is a right: so is farting at the dinner table. Let's not act like dogs.

If the point is that no one should tell anyone what to do: then this thread has gotten too long and pointless.


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Posted by Nick
a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 17, 2019 at 8:49 am

Kathleen has gone out of her way to attack others personally. Including Parent, Jennifer, Dan, Steve, etc. She's attacked others ideas and others personally. If you don't see it, you're choosing NOT to see it. You can disagree without being disagreeable. You can disagree without personally attacking someone. Other readers are personally attacking her back, and she brought it on herself. Two wrongs don't make a right, but a taste of your own medicine sends a STRONG message.


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Sep 17, 2019 at 8:54 am

Grumpy is a registered user.

Nick, I definitely hear your aggression. Perhaps there's just too much aggression on this thread. Everyone policing everyone.

By the way, this is a very hard thread to find off in the corner of their site. I'm not sure any messages made here are strong.

I'll admit I only skimmed through this thread. I think you can understand why: it's jumbled and a pain to read.

Which is a shame, since there is a good argument to make that this district is lazy and rides on the backs of smart students and hardworking parents. And I think everyone on this board would agree to that...


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 17, 2019 at 9:57 am

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"Which is a shame, since there is a good argument to make that this district is lazy and rides on the backs of smart students and hardworking parents. And I think everyone on this board would agree to that..."

I have been saying this on education threads for the last 16 years. The teachers and district management have it easy.

It is the families that make the district an academic success. The district pays us back by bloat and mismanagement.

Dan


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Posted by parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2019 at 10:13 am

PUSD has no bus system. Other districts can afford one. PUSD collects school impact fees (one of the highest in the state), but does not build new classrooms. Other districts can build new classrooms. PUSD can't build new schools. Other districts can build new schools. PUSD has libraries that burn down due to HVAC issues. Do you recall other districts that seem to have the problems PUSD does?

PUSD simply chooses to not spend its more than adequate funding on students and maintaining its facilities.

I'm the one Kathleen accused of that, let's see...doesn't know how to seek change or work well with others, being an absolute jerk, and cutting your nose off to spite everyone else's face. That would be after I recommended to the original poster, donatedout from Walnut Grove Elementary, to simply file a complaint per State law instructions regarding pupil fees.

I do not agree that PUSD has a budget shortfall. I do believe however have a definite issue with waste, fraud and abuse and a culture that does not promote honesty, transparency, and respect. After all, in this community, many students must seek outside tutoring from the myriad of companies who have tutoring facilities in shopping centers and office space in Pleasanton, and their parents are paying thousands of dollars a year to pay for their children to get educated because PUSD is doing an far from adequate job.

While students are housed in portables on many campuses, administrators have emptied classrooms in many of Pleasanton schools. Some of the empty classrooms are used as permanent meeting rooms for IEP/504/SST meetings. Some of the empty classrooms are used as a "teacher's lounge." Some are kept empty for events such as the Scholastic book fair (that happens one week a year). The empty classroom issue is one of the main reasons developers have in the past disputed PUSD's declaration of a shortfall....PUSD and the empty classroom syndrome.

PUSD has plenty of funds to pay for student needs such as instructional materials, uniforms, transportation, etc. but choose instead to send their teachers and administrators off to conferences at fancy hotels and resorts to obtain "education" on the latest educational fad (Common Core was the fad 5 years ago; today it is "equity" conferences).


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 17, 2019 at 10:58 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

parent, you hit a nerve. I apologize. I happen know the people who took the issue of free education to an extreme all the way to the state level and cost every district in the process. Grumpy has stated many key points far more clearly than I did.

“If the point is that parents should get the services for free since we paid taxes, so stop asking us to donate: clearly there's a money shortfall, so if there aren't donations, then what?”

If we care about the students, we can give to specific programs or classrooms to help. Or not.


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Posted by parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2019 at 11:32 am

Parents should not have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket to a public school system, then have to pay thousands of dollars to outside tutoring.

And as the original WG poster said, now they want iPads for kindergartners? This is absurd. What purpose does it serve for kindergartners to get iPads?

This reminds me of the recent book on how awful PAUSD is that iPads were also being placed in the classroom. This parent said they were "viscerally disappointed" in Palo Alto schools and discussed the "swiss cheese" analogy where they school system was full of holes and gaps, with parents attempting to fill the gaps. Her kids are now in private school, by the way. A review is here Web Link


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