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Momentum Growing for Measure MM

Original post made by Mike W., Stoneridge, on Oct 16, 2016

It has been a good two weeks for proponents of "Yes on Measure MM", known by many as the "No Costco Initiative." Documents provided to the Pleasanton Citizens for Responsible Growth under the California Public Records Request have given new details into the negotiations between the City and Costco/ Nearon. City and taxpayer costs have been revealed at nearly $20 million, substantially more than originally thought, and could go much higher with increased construction costs which will undoubtedly result. The borrowing was revealed at $7,500,000 for 25 years; not the $6,000,000 as previously stated in the April 12 Joint City Council and Planning Commission Workshop- (minutes and audio missing). The negotiations between the City and Costco were finalized in April, and confirming emails were exchanged on May 11 and 12. Both parties agreeing that this the final deal, Costco using the term "non-negotiable", and the City using the word "impasse", if not accepted.

The details from the documents and alleged secretive negotiations have led the Pleasanton Citizens for Planned Growth to file complaints with both the Alameda County Civil Grand Jury and the Fair Political Practices Commission. This citizens group (PCRG) is in no way related to Bill Wheeler, or the Citizens for Planned Growth (CFPG), a separate citizens coalition.

In another favorable development, the Alameda Democratic Party in an unprecedented move, rescinded its previous position on "no on Measure MM" by a 72% majority vote. Obviously, there were compelling reasons.

Additionally, Pleasanton Voters, a strong advocacy group for maintaining the quality of life in Pleasanton, endorsed "Yes on MM" on Monday.

On Thursday, the only two Pleasanton candidates who showed up for the forum/debate moderated by Juliette Goodrich, KPIX Channel 5, at the Firehouse Arts Center-- Karla Brown and Julie Testa, both endorsed "Yes on MM".

And finally, even the Pleasanton Weekly in its editorial of endorsements on Friday, mentions MM and the need for sales tax revenue, but did not directly say "no on MM", as previously stated. Could there be a softening in their position after learning more of the details?

More documents are scheduled for release by PCRG as reviewed.






Comments (104)

Posted by Nan
a resident of Rosewood
on Oct 16, 2016 at 12:31 pm

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This is very good news. Finally, details are coming out and voters are becoming educated. Positions are changing.

This is a very bad deal made by the City. It will not be changed. Both parties are at an impasse, if not accepted. We cannot accept this!

Please vote Yes on MM.

It's the only was to stop this very bad deal.


Posted by Mary S.
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 16, 2016 at 12:34 pm

Excellent! Many facts have come out regarding this deal with Costco. Clearly not a good deal for Pleasanton! I was undecided at one point but not anymore. Yes on MM has my vote!

I support Yes on MM.


Posted by Name hidden
a resident of Ruby Hill

on Oct 16, 2016 at 12:44 pm

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Posted by Lee G
a resident of Birdland
on Oct 16, 2016 at 12:49 pm

There needs to be an investigation. Follow the money!


Posted by RayR
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Oct 16, 2016 at 12:56 pm

Did you say $20 million? No wonder people are switching. I switch. No Costco. Yes MM.


Posted by Tim T.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 16, 2016 at 12:57 pm

Yes on MM! All the way baby! The city council, planning commission,city manager etc.... all need to understand that this is our city! They've made a very bad deal with Costco and I've lost all faith in our local leaders. They've lost their way. Its our opportunity to have a voice. The big almighty Costco needs to be told NO!
Yes on MM. I've already cast my vote!
TT


Posted by Val
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 16, 2016 at 1:28 pm

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This is all good news for my neiborhood in Val Vista and, I believe, for all of Pleasanton. I am proud of the Democrats for switching. I appreciate Pleasanton Voters for supporting "Yes on MM"

It's tough to fight a big corporation like Costco, but we don't need them in Pleasanton. We certainly don't need to pay them $20 million. I will not give up.


Posted by Lou
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 16, 2016 at 2:04 pm

Very nice people trying to help us here. Citizen groups, lost of indiduals, small business owners. I think we win this thing over big money, developers, PACS.

People might be surprised. The citizens do have power. It's been a long time since we've defeated the developers. This might be it. I will vote Yes on Mm. (Means No to Costco and Big Money)


Posted by R Jameson
a resident of Grey Eagle Estates
on Oct 16, 2016 at 4:10 pm

Lou,
Yes, lots of people trying to help stop the big machine! The Democrats made the right decision. Pleasanton Voters endorsement is awesome. I have read from these blogs:
--Costco wants us to pay $20 million, if it costs more; it's our cost not theirs
--More traffic with Costco
-- No CalTrans approval, no mitigation approved for I-580/I-680, or timetable $
-- More pollution with Costco
--$7,500,000 borrowing with Costco

Yes on MM


Posted by Johnny Jackson
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 16, 2016 at 4:45 pm

It ain't over till the fat lady sings. Hang in there. Together, we have power to beat the $$.


Posted by M. Smith
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 16, 2016 at 9:17 pm

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I know people who want Costco, want a better deal. It just isn't going to happen. We've got to be realistic. It took two years to reach an agreement. Costco was saying "non-negotiable"; the City was saying "an impasse", if not acceptable. No further negotiations are planned.

Costco confirmed the terms on May12, with the understanding that all of their expenses would be returned from fees taken from other projects. Zero investment in infrastructure for Costc/Nearon. Karla Brown said at the Thursday night forum that she had talked to people with years of experience in the City. This deal was unprecedented.

$20 million principal and interest - Pleasanton contribution.
$7.5 million in borrowing for 25 years

Folks, we don't need Costco. The pay to play is too high. No city would make this deal. Yes on MM.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Oct 16, 2016 at 9:40 pm

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It isn't a good deal.

Vote it down and you get what?
- no chance of re-negotiation
- a win for Valero and Shell - $730k per station annually
- continue to subsidize parking for Black Tie Limo
- a win for special interests
- perhaps a new, smaller sq footage Desi themed/focused retail center (similar to the Asian one in Dublin across from Safeway)

Sorry, no on MM, and put the pressure on the elected officials to use the information that has now become public to negotiate a fair deal to bring a good company to Pleasanton and break the gas strong hold that Shell and Valero have in our town.


Posted by M. Smith
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 16, 2016 at 9:54 pm

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You get a chance to make them come up with something better that doesn't require $20 million. No Costco, but who cares? Not me.

We pay zero is the only thing acceptable to me. I'm not giving a dime to this $100 billion company. I will vote Yes on MM to stop Costco.


Posted by Nan
a resident of Rosewood
on Oct 16, 2016 at 9:59 pm

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Good endorsements. Good news. People are taking a second look at what seemed to be a good deal. It's not! It stinks!
Yes on MM. No on Costco.


Posted by Alisa
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 17, 2016 at 8:43 am

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One blogger is very critical of local businesses who have helped coordinate and fund "yes on mm". I want to thank them! I actually pleaded with one to help. We had no voice until they brought about this initiative. The traffic, pollution--and now I find out HUGE $20 million cost -- all were coming. Over 90 letters and emails were written. No one listened. The deal was being made behind closed doors and we were told "don't worry, nothing has been decided.

Thank you local businesses for helping us. I heard 7,000 people signed very quickly. There is broad support for No Costco.

Yes on MM. Stop the City dictatorship. Slow the traffic.


Posted by Lessismore
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Oct 17, 2016 at 10:38 am

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Most of you are extremely uninformed.

You think this is yes or no on building a Costco. You need to read the whole measure.

If passed with can not build any new retail location, hotels, car deal ships and so on.

Get ready for the Ptown we love to become strip mall Ptown. That's all that will be allowed under MM.






Posted by Val
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 17, 2016 at 11:06 am

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Nan,
I,too, am extremely greatful to the small business owners who have helped us. I collected signatures. People wanted to vote.
It was very easy and thr support amazing.

Measure MM allows office all retail under 50,000 square feet, hotels, movie theatres and all the same uses as approved in the JDEDZ except for big boxes like Costco and Walmart Super Centers.

Trader Joe's has interest, so will other!

Vote Yes on MM. No to Big-Boxes


Posted by E. K.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 11:35 am

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I moved my family here a few years ago for the quality of life. Since then it has been growth and more growth. Traffic has gotten terrible. Taking my son to school used to take 15 minutes. It's now 45.

I will vote Yes on MM


Posted by Lessismore
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Oct 17, 2016 at 11:38 am

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Posted by Val
a resident of Val Vista
18 minutes ago
Val is a registered user.
Nan,

Please read the measure.
Blocking big box stores is not the underlying intend of MM. Each time the city try to approve any space over 50k Sq ft MM will be there to stop the approval.

If someone wanted a movie theater in the same location, they would still be trying to block it from being built.

MM is about no longer allowing Black Tie to park on the street and two gas stations on the corner.

Why are we passing a measure so one company can continue to park on the street?



Posted by ShortMemories
a resident of San Ramon
on Oct 17, 2016 at 11:46 am

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Hmmm. Love in fest for MM wining. Y'all forget the Lund Development issue? These forums were overwhelmingly against and look what happened when Pleasanton voted? They did NOT follow the negative and continuous whines posted here.
This tiny area is not indicative of the pulse rate of voters.....


Posted by Kelly K.
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Oct 17, 2016 at 12:42 pm

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Don't know about "Love Fest" for MM - but we are passionate about doing right for our community.
Yes on MM


Posted by M. Jensen
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 17, 2016 at 12:51 pm

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No $20 million giveaway
No $7.5 million borrowing for 25 years.
No Costco

Yes on MM!!


Posted by M. Smith
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 17, 2016 at 1:00 pm

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Costco is Greedy. Wants Pleasanton taxpayers to pay $20 million to help them. $100 billion company! Not happening.
Don't want your traffic; don't want your 25 year loan; don't want your pollution. Don't want your back room deal.

Yes on MM


Posted by Alexis B.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 3:44 pm

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I can see by a lot of these comments that Matt Sullivan is absolutely feeding you "facts" that simply aren't true. Don't trust one dude to "research" everything.

Look at it yourself. You'll very quickly find things like:

-The city has to do the infrastructure improvements no matter what, Costco or no Costco. And it isn't 20million.. more like 16
-The city loses up to 1/3 of the funding for infrastructure improvements if Costco is voted down... which means it costs US the city of Pleasanton millions more without Costco!
-There were no "back room deals" at all - just the normal public process. Matt Sullivan turned it into a conspiracy to rile up voters, but it simply is NOT TRUE.
-If Costco isn't approved, an endless sea of strip malls goes in. Studies show this huge strip mall would have a much large impact on downtown businesses but contribute significantly less $ in tax revenues. How is THAT a better solution?


Posted by Who you foolin?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 3:48 pm

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Judging by facebook # of Likes..

Yes on MM (meaning No Costco): 44
No on MM (meaning Yes Costco): 864


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 4:03 pm

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There has been no transparency. Greed has gotten to Mayor Jerry Thorne and City Manager Nelson Fialho.

This is an easy decision! Yes on MM


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 17, 2016 at 4:05 pm

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$16,800,000 latest infrastructure from Nelson Fialho
$ 3,767,006 interest on $7.5 million loan for 25 years
$20,567,006 total

Looks like $20+ million to me.
Developers pay for roadwork. Not the City.
This is a scam. A Costco/ Nearon scam.

Vote Yes on MM to stop the gift of taxpayer fund to Costco


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 4:18 pm

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I agree! It's a scam!

Don't let Nelson Fialho fool you into thinking we need Costco.
We don't! Our city is thriving!

I encourage Pleasanton residence to look into this deal. The more you learn about the facts the uglier it gets.

Vote Yes!


Posted by Maxed Out!
a resident of Stoneridge
on Oct 17, 2016 at 4:24 pm

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I believe, and have fought my children, that a business deal must make sense financially before even considering taking a risk. In other words, if a deal is not sound, financially, you are done.

Folks, we really don't need to beat a dead horse:
We will not make any money off of this for 50 years.

If I am wrong, I plead with the City, even on my knees (okay, a little dramatic), correct me if I am wrong.

Case closed. Yes on MM


Posted by Kelly K.
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Oct 17, 2016 at 4:36 pm

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Don't care who goes in there. I'm not voting to pay them $20 million. The developer can improve his own roads to make his land more valuable. This is a handout to two very rich companies. We breakeven when??

The land can stay vacant until the right deal comes along. Costco is not the right deal! This is a rush/ back door deal.
How can our city want to make the worst deal in history for a Costco. We will be the laughing stock of the whole USA with this deal!!

Pass MM...Stop big box Costco or Walmart, then let's see options. Plenty will want to be there. We do not have to give $20 million. Each can pay their fair share to the developer. Make the developer foot the upfront money, and collect from users.

Yes on MM


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 4:38 pm

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It's a bad business deal and Costco does not deserve special treatment!


Posted by Get the Facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 6:21 pm

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"I can see by a lot of these comments that Matt Sullivan is absolutely feeding you "facts" that simply aren't true. Don't trust one dude to "research" everything."

At least three other times on other threads I have asked any Pleasanton office holder, candidate, or staffer to chime in with the "correct" facts, if indeed what is posted here is incorrect. So far...crickets. Their silence speaks the truth.

"...and break the gas strong hold that Shell and Valero have in our town."

Anyone who is worried about Shell and Valero prices can start buying gas at the Bernal or Dublin Safeway, or perhaps the Arco in Dublin, or any local station that sells gas for less. Vote with your wallet. If you want cheaper gas, compare prices and go to the lowest price.

Yes on MM.


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 6:28 pm

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The traffic at Owens and Hopyard is already challenging! I exited Hopyard today and the new Chick-fil-A is opening soon. Lights on inside and help wanted signs hung on the fence. It's the biggest Chick-fil-A I've ever seen! If Costco is approved for Johnson Drive it will be a nightmare!


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 6:38 pm

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And I'm concerned about a mega Costco gas station on Johnson Drive. Cars and trucks exiting off the freeway to fill up will just add to the congestion.

I'm a loyal Chevron card holder and will avoid the long lines at a Costco gas station.

I visited the Costco store in Livermore and counted more than 50 vehicles waiting their turn at the gas station there. The vehicles would idle all the way through, taking more than 30 minutes. It was crazy. Accident waiting to happen! And while I was there they received a gas load. Large tankard truck full of gas pulled onto the lot.

I don't view a mega Costco gas station as a good thing for Pleasanton. Certainly not on Johnson Drive.



Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 17, 2016 at 6:48 pm

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And I do not work for Shell or Valero. And I'm not a driver for Black Tie. Those arguments are getting old!

I'm very upset at our city leaders! They have been dishonest and smug about this deal. Can we really trust them to represent our best interests? The Mayor has recused himself and admitted to a conflict of interest.
Special interests are dictating our City's future!


Posted by Val
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 17, 2016 at 10:04 pm

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Thanks Tom M for taking up our cause. I buy Chevron too. Cost a little more- but, so what.
Stoneridge Drive and Johnson Drive are a gateway to our city. Hopyard and Owens too. What a traffic mess at each to represent us.

Originally, I was against Costco for the traffic - but now learning about this $20 million secret. I have lost faith in our leaders.
I've lived here since 1982 and was always proud until now. Just look around, developers have taken over.

Will send in my absentee ballot tomorrow. Yes on MM.


Posted by patcher
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm

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Stop using Black Tie as a scapegoat. People voting Yes on MM have expressed valid reasons for doing so, which have nothing to do with Black Tie. No, I'm not affiliated in any way with Black Tie, nor do I know anyone who is, and am voting Yes on MM for many of the reasons stated.

The landscape of Pleasanton has dramatically changed in a very short period of time, with all of the high-density housing popping up everywhere, and now we are considering adding Costco to the mix.

The fact that some people don't care about the impact (cost, overcrowding, traffic, etc.) that all of this over-development will bring is baffling. I, for one, don't like where our town is headed and will vote accordingly.



Posted by M. Smith
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 18, 2016 at 2:21 pm

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@ patcher

I agree. Black Tie has given us a voice; a vote. Thank you

I, also, agree that it is baffling as to why people don't care about the $20 million giveaway, traffic, borrowing of $7.5 million for 25 years, pollution , and affect on our mall businesses.

Yes MM means No $20 million taxpayer giveaway.


Posted by Val
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 18, 2016 at 2:32 pm

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This may be David vs the Goliath Costco-- but we the citizens who really care about Pleasntonn's future can win.

Vote Yes on ...No Costco, No $20 million subsidy to this $100 Billion Goliath.


Posted by Alexis B
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2016 at 5:13 pm

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And you all understand the price tag doesn't change? Whether you vote yes or no, the price is the same?

The price tag is to pay for infrastructure. That infrastructure work will be done for costco or no costco.

So if you saying you're voting no because you "don't want to pay 20 million" then that's a wasted vote.


Posted by Lisa S.
a resident of Stoneridge
on Oct 18, 2016 at 9:36 pm

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The deal would change. The City would not pay for the developers obligation for infrastructure for anyone but Costco.
We save $20 million.

Yes on MM to Say No to Costco. Save $20 million. Simple.


Posted by Nan
a resident of Rosewood
on Oct 19, 2016 at 6:45 pm

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With the latest Fialho "Stand Down" email revealed, momentum should continue for Measure MM.
Trying to stop the initiative after it had begun was wrong.
The City collusion attempting to help Costco and Nearon to prevent the citizens' vote was wrong.


Posted by MsVic
a resident of Mission Park
on Oct 21, 2016 at 6:49 pm

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Simple No on MM. I prefer not to restrict size of business in this location!


Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Oct 21, 2016 at 7:30 pm

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Despite the negative commentary by the yes people.
You tube and Face Book numbers indicate an over whelming sample of Pleasanton voters will vote NO on Measure MM.

The numbers are running less than 100 for yes compared to 740 for no.


Posted by Nan
a resident of Rosewood
on Oct 21, 2016 at 9:47 pm

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(Portion removed) This is the third good week for Yes on MM.

I hope the opposition continues to gauge the projected outcome with Facebook likes. (I don't think they are; quite frankly they are scared).

(Portion removed because it related to a deleted post)


Posted by M. Smith
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 21, 2016 at 9:56 pm

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Don't pay a bit of attention to Facebook. Not a member. Let the big corporations use those tools. They can overpower the numbers. I say Yes on MM wins. I talk to people.


Posted by Val
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 21, 2016 at 10:09 pm

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Mary told me about the Facebook post. Love it when Johnny Jackson posts "it ain't over till the fat lady sings".
Costco has it in the bag? They seem kinda desperate to me with the recent lies.

I'd say they're running scared.


Posted by Maxed Out!
a resident of Stoneridge
on Oct 21, 2016 at 10:19 pm

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Well, those are 740 people who do not know that the this will cost 20 million. I, too, wanted Costco for a quick minute. I mean, I would love for the City to generate millions and invest in schools, safety, roads, etc...

Sadly, I learned about the mega gas station that will pump over 1 million gallons a month.

I learned about the City's corruption, too (secret meeting, stocks, etc...).

I learned about the borrowing, not breaking even for decades, and the total cost of 20 million.


Posted by SHale
a resident of San Ramon
on Oct 22, 2016 at 8:35 am

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Just remember Lund Ranch. forums here were negative, very negative and still when people voted it was the opposite of these forums.

No on MM will win in a landslide.


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 22, 2016 at 9:56 am

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See "no on MM" showed up at the Farmers' Market today. Yesterday, lies sent and posted by Costco on infrastructure funding and lying about "millions in yearly sales tax". Sending out $4 mailers to households. Seems like desperation to me.

"Yes" has the momentum. The citizens will decide; not Costco's lies or money.
The Pleasnton Voters Citizens Group endorsement was huge
The Democrats rescinding by 72% was huge
The Independent editorial endorsement was huge

We will not pay $20 million for Costco. "Yes on MM"


Posted by mooseturd
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Oct 22, 2016 at 6:36 pm

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Yes on MM. Stop the ripoff.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Oct 23, 2016 at 11:25 pm

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The support for MM is so scattered.

We don't want increased traffic! - traffic will come no matter what goes in if you're going to assume similar development alternatives.

We don't want increased smog! - smog will come no matter what goes in if you're going to assume similar development alternatives.

....and if costco goes to Dublin, you're still getting both, plus that from the alternative restrictive development option (likely a specialized Desi center).

- we don't want to give into special interests - Black tie, Valero, and Shell are sponsoring the bill. They have the largest signs on their properties. They have the most to lose - $730k per station annually. Thats how much they gouge Pleasanton residents each year.

The deal isn't good, but costco is a good business to have and build around in Pleasanton. It has the highest spend per trip than any alternative as well meaning it would likely be the least disruptive to the concerns above vs an alternative. Hold the city officials accountable for poor negotiations and use their continued "service" to our community as the motivation for them to rectify this deal.


Posted by MsVic
a resident of Mission Park
on Oct 24, 2016 at 7:20 am

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So follow the money....Karla Brown's 2nd largest campaign contributor is none other than Bill Wheeler, owner of Black Tie. SMH.


Posted by Maxed Out!
a resident of Stoneridge
on Oct 24, 2016 at 10:28 am

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"The deal isn't good, but costco is a good business"

I love it when the opposition states my opinion!

Anyway, your logic follows other such similar logic:

"Awesome car, but it will cost all my savings"

"Great company, but I would have to travel and be away from family"

Many support MM and are Costco members. I am headed to Danville Costco today. I like to get my organic beef there.

The deal isn't good; And you know if the opposition is saying "the deal is not good", it's a huge understand the. Notice not one anti MM on any blog has even talked about the "deal".

It's a 20 million dollar rip off that will take decades to even break even. It will deplete our reserves, come with a mega gas station pumping over 1 million gallons a month.


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 24, 2016 at 11:09 am

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Yes on MM support is growing. I have talked to neighbors who now understand the $20 million and where it comes from. I also just heard that ex-councilman, Steve Brozosky, who used to be against the initiative, is now a supporter of Yes on MM, and is posting on Nextdoor. More great news. More momentum.

Yes on MM


Posted by Nan
a resident of Rosewood
on Oct 24, 2016 at 11:45 am

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@ Dave
I saw Steve's posts on Nextdoor. In one says he is not against Costco, but rather against our Pleasanton tax dollars being used to subsidize them. I think many of us agree with him. The $20 million is ridiculous and would take many, many years to recover.
This may be the worst deal any City has ever negotiated to try to get a Costco. The only way to stop it is by "Yes on MM." Let the City find another spot a few years from now, and not pay $20 million!!

Yes on MM


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 24, 2016 at 1:33 pm

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More momentum. Recent blog by Brian Moore excellent detail (on no on mm thread). He lays out in great detail the pro's and con's. Summary boils down to sacraficing your personal convenience for the good of the community. He endorses Yes on MM.

Yes on MM


Posted by perrymac
a resident of Rosewood
on Oct 24, 2016 at 1:54 pm

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Why does No on MM have so many Facebook likes? There's a lot of Costco employees with FB pages. Costco has been using the employees to advance their cause in many ways. Tables at the stores, people aggressively approaching shoppers with their No message. Need any more proof it's David & Goliath?


Posted by M. Smith
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 24, 2016 at 2:30 pm

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@ perrymac
Don't pay a bit of attention to those Facebook likes! Meaningless.
As to David and Goliath -- Goliath is trying to force his way into Pleasanton. He should beware! We will not be intimidated.

Yes on MM


Posted by Kelly K.
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Oct 24, 2016 at 3:20 pm

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@mary smith,
And we will not pay this Wasingtonian Golith $20 million to come to out City.
Momentum grows. Supporters grow.


Posted by Maxed Out!
a resident of Stoneridge
on Oct 24, 2016 at 3:32 pm

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I was at Costco today. Oh, my, they had anti MM material all over the customer service department. Costco is going so far as to having ant MM yard signs delivered to customers. Well, I guess they are getting desperate.


Posted by Get the Facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 24, 2016 at 4:28 pm

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"Why does No on MM have so many Facebook likes?"

I think the answer is because all too many people in this town think that having a Costco closer would be nice. I talk to too many people who know absolutely nothing of this crazy deal that Pleasanton has with Costco, the conflict of interest with the mayor, etc. They simply don't know, and/or don't care. I'm afraid the Yes votes will not be enough, even though I agree it is gaining momentum, too many people want their $1.50 hot dogs and 64 ounce jars of mayo. I hope I'm wrong.


Posted by M. Jensen
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 24, 2016 at 5:14 pm

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@ Get the Facts

You are on the right side! Momentum has swung. In addition to all things listed in this Topic by Mike W, the Indepedent editorial endorsement was big. Ex-Councilman, Steve Brozosky's, Nextdoor comments and analysis for Yes on MM are big. Brian Moore's blog today was big. Endorsements and support are increasing.

The Pleasanton Citizen's for Responsible Growth have released new documents today. There were certainly many emails going on behind the scenes between the City, Costco, Nearon and the Chamber of Commerce to plan strategy; to deceive the citizens.

Yes on MM! ...David will beat Goliath.


Posted by Mike W.
a resident of Stoneridge
on Oct 24, 2016 at 6:15 pm

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Yes on MM. Keep the positive comments. Seems we are winning. They are desperate.


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 24, 2016 at 8:50 pm

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YES! No $20 million giveaway to Costco

YES! Measure MM is the right idea to keep Pleasanton one of "Americans' Top Hometown Spots" to live.

YES, I am fine with driving a few miles. We have two options for Costco. Each within 8 miles!

YES to less traffic!

YES to less pollution!

Vote YES on MM


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 25, 2016 at 9:25 pm

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Well folks, another very good day for MM. The document release by Pleasanton Citizens for Resposible Growth was very informative. The Topic titled : "Public Records Request Reveals Complicity Between City and Costco"...and boy did it ever!

Yes MM


Posted by M. Jensen
a resident of Val Vista
on Oct 26, 2016 at 9:44 pm

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The investigation on Mayor Jerry Thorne confirmed today by the Cheif of the Enforcement Division of the Fair Political Practices Commission should give more momentum to Yes on MM.

It has to cast doubt about the dealings, and raise questions as to why a such a terrible deal was negotiated of a $20 million giveaway to secure Costco.


Posted by Fact Checker
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 28, 2016 at 4:57 pm

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There is no giveaway to Costco! People, do your homework. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. Read for yourself. There isn't even a certified environmental impact report! There have been SIX public meetings so far and the public process will continue after the election. Any agreement for infrastructure improvements will be considered by the City Council in a public meeting.


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 28, 2016 at 10:06 pm

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Another good day for Yes on MM as the FPPC letter is posted by Gina. I wish nothing bad for the Mayor- but there has been terrible handling and a significant lack of transparency on this issue, in addition to the conflict of interest.

Should he and Fialho been meeting with Wheeler after the initiative started. No.


Posted by Maxed Out!
a resident of Stoneridge
on Oct 29, 2016 at 4:12 pm

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It has been strangely quite from the opposing side, now that the professional bloggers from Costco are gone. I heard today that all employees were given a "training" on MM. A lot of lies were told.
Is this legal to run a campaign based on lies?


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Oct 29, 2016 at 4:38 pm

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Apparently it is - Valero and Shell have been lying the whole time. MM is not based on the community interest (its based on special interest greed, and protectionism) and is rallying support irresponsibly from anyone.....

Traffic will be saved - lie
Smog will go away - lie
Some sort of Utopia that generates more revenue per trip than Costco will go in - lie

The only thing MM does is prevent Costco from going in, thats it. Something will go there, and whatever that something is - could be an IKEA and Valero and Shell will be the first to roll out the red carpet.

So yes, apparently it is ok to issue a ballot measure and campaign based on lies


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm

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What a great place for a Costco!

I really hope they build it.

NO on MM!

@Get the Facts,

I don't think you realize that many of us like the store a lot.


Posted by JJ
a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Oct 29, 2016 at 6:18 pm

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Went to Farmers Market today. Saw 7 people for Yes on MM. One young lady who had never come before was a new volunteer. She carried around a sign about traffic. So cute. Had hearts on it!
Momentum is growing! People were excited today.


Posted by Kelly K.
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Oct 29, 2016 at 10:56 pm

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I think we win easy. There are changes happening. I am campaigning. More people are saying Yes on MM

Next week there will be more news!


Posted by KatieK
a resident of Stoneridge Park
on Oct 30, 2016 at 1:03 pm

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I would like to thank those of you who brought forth the facts surrounding this entire topic. The deceit from the early hand shakes, the public forums which slowly delivered facts, the individual sessions and debates to clarify the intent of Measure M and finally the time and effort it must have taken to get organizations and people to understand how we feel about our community's future. Thank you for making Yes on Measure M a reality - one more week!


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Oct 30, 2016 at 1:35 pm

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While I don't support measure M - its poorly crafted to provide a solution. I do also appreciate the efforts of those to get all the information on the deal - without question there were a lot of things being done that should have been more transparent up front, and I will apply that information in my support of current and future elected officials, so yes, those that uncovered much of the information for us all deserve a round of thanks regardless of which side of the issue you decide to support


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 30, 2016 at 1:36 pm

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No on MM!


Posted by Preserve Pleasanton
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Oct 30, 2016 at 1:51 pm

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KatieK,

I could not agree more! Thank you all for fighting and never giving up on the town we all love, Pleasanton. Preserving Pleasanton with corrupt leaders is not easy!

I would like to thank those who stood up at counsel meetings;

local businesses, who were not afraid to speak up against Costco;

the supporters that went to Farmer's Market;

mail carriers that voted their truth and stood up saying "enough traffic"

investigative work and not simply listining to feel-good lies;

all those behind-the -scene volunteers who organized the campaign.

THANK YOU!!! Costco has come to rob us for the next 30 years or so; Its wonderful to have such a great team, even if others are saying "You cannot beat Goliath".


Posted by Get the Facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 30, 2016 at 7:18 pm

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"@Get the Facts,

I don't think you realize that many of us like the store a lot."

Bob, I do realize that many of us like the store, "a lot', I too like Costco, a lot. If you look at my last post, I stated that I think MM will not pass, and that I hope I'm wrong. But I think the problem is that far too many people have no idea what is going on with this, they simply want their Costco. If they live across town, or even just a couple miles away, they could care less what the traffic will be like. Since the cost of the improvements will not come directly out of anyone's pocket, they don't care. Some people have listened when I talked, some have shrugged and said "I don't care, I just want Costco."

Think about it, if anyone is foolish enough to cast a vote for Trump, then why would they even care a bit about MM?


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Oct 31, 2016 at 12:48 am

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Indeed! Momentum is growing for Measure MM! This is great news!

Measure MM takes the power away from Costco and our city leaders. It's not often that the power shifts and is given to the people. We, the voters of Pleasanton, get to decide!

Voters are learning the facts and voting Yes on MM!

Spread the good news to your neighbors and friends.

VOTE- Yes on MM!


Posted by Isotope
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 31, 2016 at 2:59 pm

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@maxedout - "Is this legal to run a campaign based on lies?" - well, I guess the Yes on MM people simply don't care if it is or not. But this is par for the course in Pleasanton like the No folks on the Lund property.


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 31, 2016 at 3:19 pm

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Yes! Momentum is growing! Other side has no counter except there is "no deal."
They fail to acknowledge documents turned over by the City which say:
" non- negotiable "
" I agree" (to terms) by Costco

There will be a deal. A very bad deal unless we stop it!

Yes on MM


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Nov 1, 2016 at 12:14 am

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Vote YES on MM!

Don't let the city fool you into thinking we need Costco. We don't. Our city is the thriving!


Posted by Preserve Pleasanton
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Nov 1, 2016 at 1:30 am

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The last example of wanting a Farrari, but not being able to afford it, seems so rudimentary, that one easily dismisses.

At the most basic level, it just kinda boils down to a simple rule your mom thought you: do not over-spend.

Now, Isotope, you went out on a long limb. If I am wrong, and numbers make sense, I will admit to it. I would never expect you to not like Costco. But, if the numbers come out, let's be big enough to admit if a deal is sound, financially.


Posted by Maxed Out!
a resident of Stoneridge
on Nov 1, 2016 at 9:50 am

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Numbers out: Costco is not just a Farrari. It's a Farrari not made with non OEM parts.


Posted by Maxed Out!
a resident of Stoneridge
on Nov 1, 2016 at 9:54 am

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Sorry! tongue twister "Farrari made with non OEM parts"


Posted by Hansen Curious
a resident of Del Prado
on Nov 1, 2016 at 11:21 am

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Financial deals, development agreements are always prepared and negotiated with staff. Those are never negotiated in a public meeting. The City Council will consider and have to approve any agreement in a public hearing. If you actually read those emails you keep posting, you would read about cost sharing and not a subsidy. Costco giving a loan to the city for the city's share of infrastructure improvements is not a subsidy.

THERE IS NO DEAL! When and if a developer brings a proposal to the City, public hearings, analysis, and negotiations will occur. There is no proposal before the City at this time.


Posted by Tom M.
a resident of Castlewood
on Nov 1, 2016 at 11:51 am

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Locally owned businesses generate more tax revenue for cities with less cost than a massive big-box Costco.

Vote YES on MM!


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2016 at 2:43 pm

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Costco is a great store. Save fuel and pollute less by going to the local Costco vs driving to San Ramon.

NO ON MM


Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Nov 1, 2016 at 2:53 pm

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I stopped at Costco Livermore Monday of this week for gas.
I noticed that the gas station right there near the freeway was getting $3.09 per gallon of gas.

The gas I purchased at Costco cost me $2.29 per gallon of gas. That is $00.80 cents per gallon of gas in savings, $8.00 for ten gallon, extra money for me.

Generally gas at Costco has been $00.40 or so leas than the others. But, Monday was a nice savings. I hope the price differential continues.

VOTE NO ON MEASURE MM FOR CONTINUED SAVINGS FOR EVERYONE.


Posted by Kelly K.
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Nov 1, 2016 at 3:04 pm

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I received a nice letter today signed by several local business people. I appreciate their service to our community. One owners family dating back to 1972. I will support local business, and if I want cheap gas, I can support our local Safeway.


Posted by Something Is Fishy
a resident of Stoneridge
on Nov 1, 2016 at 3:12 pm

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This will cost every household in Pleasanton $1,200. I've heard we will be paying a 60 billion dollar company, over 20 million, to come, with no return for 25-30 years.
Who is saving in this deal? Costco


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2016 at 5:11 pm

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"I've heard we will ..."

False rumors and innuendo.

Nothing is fishy.

Costco is a good store and this is a good location.


Posted by NO DEAL DAVE!
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Nov 1, 2016 at 5:23 pm

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You remind me of the car salesman that tried to sell me a car outside of my budget. He kept saying "It's a great car and great name".
"But, the numbers won't work, sir".
"Relax, no deal is done. It's a great car and a great name".
"But, I can't afford a 25 year loan"...


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2016 at 5:36 pm

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@No deal,

Except than nothing unaffordable has been proposed. Your analogy doesn't work.


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Nov 1, 2016 at 5:52 pm

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$20 million proposed April 5, confirmed May11,12.


Posted by NO DEAL DAVE!
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Nov 1, 2016 at 6:01 pm

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Worst deal in Costco history thread alive and active.

THE CHALLENGE: find a worse deal.

THE RESULTS : none

Anyone saying this a good deal should ask themselves "Why is there a thread going saying (quite loudly) "I dare you! I just dare you"

Maybe we need to offer a reward. I will give $100 to whoever finds it!


Posted by Alisa
a resident of Parkside
on Nov 1, 2016 at 7:40 pm

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I agree with Kelly K. I got the letter too, and appreciate our small businesses.

It was nice to get this personal letter hand- delivered.

Momentum is growing for MM. My neighbors are supportive.

Yes on MM


Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Nov 1, 2016 at 7:42 pm

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Voted NO Measure MM!


Posted by Get the Facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 1, 2016 at 8:05 pm

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NO DEAL DAVE has offered a challenge to anyone who can find a worse deal. So far, nothing.

In multiple places on other threads, I have asked any Pleasanton office holder, candidate, or employee to state that ANY fact on ANY thread is incorrect. So far, crickets.

The silence is deafening, leaving myself and others to believe that: this IS the worst deal in city/Costco history; and that the numbers posted here and everywhere are absolutely correct.

Both challenges are still alive, please feel free to state anything to the contrary.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Nov 1, 2016 at 8:26 pm

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Handle - get the facts

.....but doesn't get the facts? Challenges others to and claims the absence of response on pw forum becomes evidence of "well then it must be true..."


Posted by M. Smith
a resident of Val Vista
on Nov 1, 2016 at 9:16 pm

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Get the Facts,
Obviously no one will answer your question.

There is no worse deal ever made in Pleasanton!
There is no worse deal ever made in the US for Costco!

This is you answer.


Posted by Get the Facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2016 at 8:16 am

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"Challenges others to and claims the absence of response on pw forum becomes evidence of "well then it must be true...""

Pleasanton Parent, that's EXACTLY the point! Despite weeks of blogs with numbers and accusations, no one has come out to defend it. So yes then, the numbers "must be true." I can tell you that if I were in any of their positions, and the numbers were incorrect, I would quickly state that with a post of my own. I have seen at least two school board members make clarifications to threads that had to do with them, but no one will do that in this case. So again, the silence is deafening, and clearly speaks the truth.

And to M. Smith, I know that no one will answer my question, because everything posted here has been true. It's a rhetorical question, I suppose, but I did want a rebuttal (if there was one).


Posted by Dave J.
a resident of Parkside
on Nov 5, 2016 at 12:05 pm

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As res1 says no one will dispute the numbers backed by City documents. The silence is deafening.

Some will use the word silly. Yes, the deal is "silly"; it is bad; it is the worst deal in history to subsidize Costco.


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