FUN??? Really....
Will people ever just move on from this mess.
What can possibly come from rehashing this yet again

I agree, it's not my idea of fun to "rehash" this once again. However, the good that remains to come of it is the serving of justice to all those who jumped on the bandwagon of lies, deceit and fraud. Notice how most of PUSDs leadership have scurried away like cockroaches exposed to bright light? They jumped ship as soon as they could because they couldn't take the heat they themselves created. Their actions have cost this district millions of dollars. For what? To mollify the teacher's union when a few teachers were asked to step up and do their jobs. Yes, I support Jon Vranesh, Mike Payne, and the rest of the office staff that were bullied out of their jobs to satisfy at least one seemingly mentally ill kindergarten teacher who continues to claim retaliation long, long after Vranesh's removal. I don't relish the thought of rehashing any of this but I welcome the pursuit of justice.

Speaking of jumping on the bandwagon, many people sided with Vranesh until details started coming out, and some of the poor choices he made. It seems like many people jumped off the Vranesh bandwagon when they realized that he made some odd decisions (to put it lightly).

Lots of junk on BOTH sides of this, I agree, let's move on, this mess is over.

Move on?.. The litigation will take a few years at least!! This issue is going no where.

George,

Rather than posting what you did, why didn't you just contact PW directly instead of starting up more gossip? Theses worthless little tidbits of information that get posted, or in this case lack there of does nothing to benefit anyone except those who love to gossip. The facts are slowly coming out by the court docs and the depositions that were posted a few weeks back. I'm sure the PW is very aware of what's available to release, and I hope they have the integrity to report unbiased information about this case without submitting to advertisers who don't like the school district looking badly.

Here is some excellent reading. I wonder how many lied on the stand while under oath? That's a CRIME.

Web Link

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Can't wait until the real story is finally told? I hear that some people are on the verge of a nervous breakdown at the thought.

@Get the Facts What you claim about Vranesh support is the opposite of what the teachers said at the hearing. Many claimed that as the facts came out the community turned against them. The judge wrote about it in her decision.

I am stating that as the facts about Vranish (like Vranesh destroying his computer's hard drive) have come out, that people have seen that he is not as innocent as they originally thought, and have jumped off his bandwagon.

I do not live in the WG area, so I am speculating a bit, but it sure seems as if support for Vranesh at this forum has almost completely disappeared.

Removing data off a hard drive does not destroy it. It's still perfectly usable, The the PUSD technology director even testified that the hard drive was still operational. You would probably have to throw the computer in the pool or hit it with the hard drive to destroy it. It was erroneous of the panel to find the hard drive destroyed. It costs nothing to reinstall an operating system on a Apple computer. I have only seen district policy say people can't willfully destroy equipment, I have never seen any policy which states employees can't remove or add software. If someone has seen a policy which states employees can't remove or add software I would love to see it.


I have not encountered even one person who showed support for Vranesh in the beginning to have "jumped off the bandwagon". In fact when the PUSD posted the entire transcripts of the teachers interviews with investigator in February 2014 many people "jumped on the bandwagon" and thought that the whole situation was overblown and grossly mishandled.

@Ohreally : "I have only seen district policy say people can't willfully destroy equipment, I have never seen any policy which states employees can't remove or add software. If someone has seen a policy which states employees can't remove or add software I would love to see it."

Don't think that it has to be written explicitly into the district policy. It's sufficient that the laptop was district property. Possible violation of the "Computer Fraud and Abuse Act; 18 USC 1030":

"International Airport Centers, L.L.C. v. Citrin"

"International Airport Centers, L.L.C. (IAC) is a group of companies in the real estate business. [3] IAC employed the defendant, Jacob Citrin, to identify potential acquisitions and record data about these properties. IAC lent Citrin a laptop for this purpose. [1] Citrin became self-employed and quit IAC, breaching his employment contract in the process. [3] He deleted the data on the laptop before returning it to IAC, using a secure-erasure software that rendered files irrecoverable. This process destroyed data that he had collected for IAC in addition to data revealing improper workplace conduct.[1][3]"

"The provision of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act provides that whoever “knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer” violates the Act. Citrin argued that erasing a file from a computer is not a “transmission.” The district court agreed and dismissed the lawsuit since it determined that the deletion of the files did not violate the CFAA. However, Circuit Judge Posner examined the “transmission” of the secure-erasure program to the computer, stating that the method of transmission here – whether it was installed through a network or a disc – is irrelevant. “Damage” here included “any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information.”[1][3]"

International Airport Centers, L.L.C. v. Citrin: Web Link

@Ohreally : "I have only seen district policy say people can't willfully destroy equipment,..."

BTW, it's a bit ridiculous to suggest that PUSD has an obligation to explicitly state in its district policy that its employees can't destroy PUSD property.

sounds like you make a great case for why hillary clinton should be in jail right now.

"Speaking of jumping on the bandwagon, many people sided with Vranesh until details started coming out, and some of the poor choices he made."

Actually I jumped on the Vranish bandwagon when the details started coming out. The details are damning but not against Vranish.

Damon,

Well the first thing wrong with your statement is Vranesh was never charged with a crime. If as you state Vranesh was guilty of a crime why didn't the PUSD pursue criminal charges and turn it over to the police? Give me a break. You are comparing apples to bananas as usual. The PUSD never once claimed to the OAH that Vranesh deleted anything that wasn't already on their ownservers. Also the case you cite is from 2006 long before the cloud was available to back up computers and lap tops, fact of the matter if the PUSD wanted copies of everything that was on any school issued computer they could have it in seconds. In my opinion the PUSD got lucky with a panel of older people who have little understanding how the process works.