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"A ROAD IS A STRUCTURE" per Narum and Thorne

Original post made by Josh M., Bridle Creek, on Oct 29, 2015

Quick reminder. All of the council and mayor are on record in city minutes saying a road IS a structure and can't be built on 25% grade or on a ridge. They ALREADY voted that way. So now they want to talk about an exception to grant 50 homes road access on a more than 25% steep slope. No way. Are you political flippers that just wanted to get my vote? Test- how ethical are you?

I hope you are the kind of politicians that I can trust. Our neighborhood talked to you when you wanted our vote and you agreed with us and said you already voted that way. I hope all Pleasanton Weekly readers will take a second and watch the Youtube link below:
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And Mayor Thorne, here is a quote from The Times newspaper, “Thorne was one of the council members responsible for the misguided counter measure placed on the ballot in 2008 and he was an outspoken supporter of the Lin proposal. However, Thorne recognizes that he lost on both and promises to defend the will of the voters.” You got my vote with this quote.

I know you are both politicians, but I hope you have some level of ethics to keep your promises when you ran for office. Per measure PP, a road is a structure and should not be built on steep slopes or ridge lines, especially if it is to open up large sections of land for development in the hills.

My neighborhood will accept 10 houses of traffic, the exception to Measure PP. This way the land owner still makes some money. 10 units is the only solution that allows you to keep your promises and not piss off half the town.

Will you keep your campaign promises?

Comments (15)

Posted by Jackie
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 29, 2015 at 4:36 pm

I watched the video. Very interesting.


Posted by Map
a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 29, 2015 at 7:38 pm

By now everybody should know that you can't put campaign promise, trust, or ethical in the same paragraph with the word "politician"!! That road will be built regardless of any measure PP that was passed by us easily suckered residents, same as those homes that are going in at ironwood on that "church" property, and that promise about no chain stores going in downtown (Starbucks).


Posted by John
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Oct 30, 2015 at 9:06 am

And you might as well start making your shopping list for the new Costco cause that will be built also!


Posted by Bobbie
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Oct 30, 2015 at 11:49 am

Oh my gosh - that is quite an good video.

But wait a minute, we voted to protect all hillsides and ridges. How can this council undo a vote of the people? That is not right.


Posted by Billie
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 30, 2015 at 12:08 pm

Josh, Is this the project you're referring to [Item #11 on the upcoming Council meeting]?

"PUD-25, GREENBRIAR HOMES COMMUNITIES, LUND RANCH II PROJECT
The proposed project would include 50 approximately 4,200-4,500-square-foot
detached single-family homes to be constructed on the Lund Ranch II property, located southeast of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, east of the Ventana Hills neighborhood, and northeast of the Sycamore Heights neighborhood. The homes
would be clustered on approximately 34 acres of the 195-acre site in the lower
elevations of the bowl-shaped property. The non-developed portion of the project would be permanent open space, owned by the City."


Posted by Billie
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 30, 2015 at 12:28 pm

Ok, I'm guessing this *is* the project you're referencing. In reading the report further, I found the following in the City Council Agenda Report, Page 13 of 26:

"4. Roads are Structures/Roads are not Structures
Measure PP is not clear as to whether a street is considered a residential or
commercial structure and, therefore, if the grading and construction for a street or road is subject to the slope and ridgeline standards of Measure PP. This
decision by the City Council would affect the ability to approve a street/road
connection from the Lund Ranch II property to Sunset Creek Lane that would be
required to cross areas of 25-percent slopes."

So, it looks like both the Planning Commission and Staff are recommending approval of PUD-25, and now the project approval hinges on how the Council decides to interpret Measure PP for the access road. Gotcha!


Posted by Map
a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 30, 2015 at 3:29 pm

"Bobbie" must be new to this town!! We vote, they promise, we trust them, they flip flop and change the rules, we constantly pay for outside consultants and lawyers then give- in to anybody wanting a piece of the action, somehow the developers get pretty much anything they want. Would like to see the city be as tough on developers as they are on a homeowner wanting to cut down a tree on his own property or add a small addition to his own home!!!


Posted by Jorge
a resident of Foothill Place
on Nov 2, 2015 at 2:51 pm

I voted for PP and I just want to know one thing - which council is going to protect the hills and ridges?

If you put a road on them or cut into the hills to make a road - that is not protecting them. And personally I could care less about a road or structure.

Are you going to scar the hills? Then we all voted NO and we voted to protect them. You promised to support our vote.

The ridge on my side of town and the ones all over Pleasanton should not be scarred and damn it you know that.


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 2, 2015 at 3:48 pm

Talk about First World problems! I find this whole thing funny.


Posted by Joe the Plumber
a resident of Parkside
on Nov 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm

Seems pretty clear to me, the politicians get it. Now let's see them try to find a loop hole to squirm under.


Posted by Map
a resident of Del Prado
on Nov 4, 2015 at 5:26 pm

No "loop hole" needed when you have realtors on the planning commission, it's called " trickle down economics", the more housing you build directly affects the more business they have, hey, this isn't rocket science!


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 4, 2015 at 5:33 pm

LOL! You people worry about the funniest things.


Posted by Outraged
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Nov 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm

I cannot believe we are fighting this again! With over 18,000 voters demanding leadership to put permanent ridgeline protections in place, how can this be coming back to a QQ supporting majority of the city council? You said you "get it." Did you lie or are you going to make us pull you right out of your comfy seats on the council and put people that truly get it? Give me a break.

We voted to protect all ridges and stop any grading of the ridges - period. Overwhelmingly supported by the voters, this cannot be changed by 3 or more votes of the council!


Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 9, 2015 at 8:42 am

What is outrageous is that some people think that this is an important issue!

Go do something useful with your time. This is just silly.


Posted by Coming to the council
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Nov 16, 2015 at 12:32 pm

Hey, this is coming to the Council on Tuesday. Tune it to see if they hold their previous votes and video, or do a politician's Flip Flop right out of office.


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