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I-580 toll lanes opening delayed; I-680 projects on the way

Original post made on Sep 25, 2015

With jam-packed freeways an all-too-common roadblock for many drivers in the area, Pleasanton is on track to soon find itself nearly surrounded by one of regional traffic officials' go-to strategies for congestion relief.

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Posted by Safe Driver Fed up with Idiots
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 25, 2015 at 8:06 am

I was recently caught in epic traffic where a 45 minute drive took nearly three hours -- EACH WAY -- on the same day. It was not caused by excess vehicles on the road, it was caused by a series of idiots who caused accidents. Until we get a handle on this problem we will never solve the traffic issue with more toll roads or more lanes of traffic.

When a person is determined to be the at fault driver that person needs to be personally liable for 100% of the costs of the accident. That means the costs for the cops, the firemen and the clean up crews. They need to be fined an additional significant amount for every minute that the road is closed due to their actions. Want to drive without your brain? Prepare to pay for it.

My pet peeve is the organ donors on motorcycles who lane split at any speed above 15 MPH. On Thursday there were three accidents near the San Mateo Bridge that were ALL caused by a lane splitting motorcyclist. Every accident was avoidable except for the actions of the motorcyclist. I have heard the argument that the engines run too hot if they idle. Fine, lane split when traffic is moving at less than 15 MPH, but do it at a reasonable speed.

No amount of new lanes or toll roads will help with traffic that is caused by morons who simply cannot drive without causing accidents. At least if those idiots are charged huge financial penalties it would help to offset the cost of new lanes for those of us who think when we drive.


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Posted by local business owner
a resident of Amador Estates
on Sep 25, 2015 at 8:49 am

The answer is:
Comprehensive driver training and skid pad instruction along with a much more stringent drivers test taken at regular intervals. Right now they will give a drivers licence to any one with 30 bucks. You should have to demonstrate complete competency in emergency situations and accident avoidance to operate a motor vehicle. If you fail, there is public transit and Uber. This will get cars off the road, save gas, clean up the air and save countless lives.


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Posted by Really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 25, 2015 at 8:52 am

I'm not convinced that toll roads increase car pooling. I think toll roads just make it easier for people that can afford the tolls to have a faster/better trip.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 25, 2015 at 9:11 am

Is there any plans to re-surface west bound I-580 from Tracy to Livermore? The road in that section has so many cracks and bumps that I feel my axle would fall off any minute. It's been like that for years, but nothing has been done. Ironically, the section of I-580 from 84 to Pleasanton has been good, but they re-surfaced that. Wouldn't it make sense to re-surface where it's needed most? And that would be from Tracy to Livermore, especially where it starts to go up hill.


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Posted by Valley residentaKifo
a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 25, 2015 at 9:19 am

I have lived in Pleasanton since 1971. I would like to know how much money has been spent on widening the road several time, putting commute lanes that will be soon obselote & the construction of BART. Does this mean after the toll lanes are complete they will extend BART to Livermore? I would think the BART extension would have been constructed first. The real problem is that Pleasanton and Dublin keep building. Soon the valley will look like Oakland to San Jose; one long continuous city.


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Posted by JJ
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 25, 2015 at 9:52 am

Opening northbound I-680 express lane will probably push for more electric vehicles instead of carpooling. I don't believe this will solve the problem. They need to do more study on this. It seems to me the long downhill segment was the major cause of traffic congestion. To maximize throughput of people, you want all drivers synchronize with a constant speed. This is not possible on steep downhills. If they could widen the highway only on the downhill segment, that might work better than converting one lane to a toll lane.


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Sep 25, 2015 at 11:08 am

@local business owner: "The answer is: Comprehensive driver training and skid pad instruction along with a much more stringent drivers test taken at regular intervals. Right now they will give a drivers licence to any one with 30 bucks. You should have to demonstrate complete competency in emergency situations and accident avoidance to operate a motor vehicle. "

You've got to be kidding. "Emergency" driving situations including skid pad training for all car drivers? That's ridiculous. I've been driving for over 30 years and have only gotten into one accident. No, what has saved me from getting into a lot of accidents that many other drivers get into isn't my fast reflexes (since I don't have particularly fast reflexes), or my (nonexistent) emergency driving skills or my (nonexistent) driver skid pad training. You know the secret?: It's called "Defensive Driving". It's exercising the care, judgement and driving maturity to stay out of dangerous or potentially dangerous our hazardous situations in the first place. An ounce of prevention is worth more than all the "emergency" and skid pad driving instruction that any reckless and immature driver might have. Avoid getting into hazardous situations in the first place rather than relying on your masterly emergency driving skills to get you out of a tight situation that you probably shouldn't have gotten yourself into in the first place.

Oh, and that one accident that I got in to? I was driving on a rain-slicked highway when I turned a bend and found a long line of cars stopped in a traffic jam ahead of me. My fault: Although I was below the speed limit, I should have adjusted my speed lower due to the rain and road conditions. Again, the solution was to exercise better driving judgment than to hone any emergency driving skills to compensate for a lack of driving judgement.


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Posted by local business owner
a resident of Amador Estates
on Sep 25, 2015 at 11:20 am

Damon, that's great, so when some other idiot comes out of nowhere and does something unexpected or uncontrollable do you think your passive defensive driving is going to be better than my 30 years experience driving a race car? Here's the short answer, no. I know you, you are the naysayer who posts ridiculous crap just to be a burr in everyone's saddle. Get a life bud. I happen to be the expert here, and you are not. 99% of people on the road will make the wrong decision in an emergency situation simply because they have no experience at it. I'm right, you're wrong, shut up.


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Sep 25, 2015 at 11:40 am

@local business owner: "Damon, that's great, so when some other idiot comes out of nowhere and does something unexpected or uncontrollable do you think your passive defensive driving is going to be better than my 30 years experience driving a race car? Here's the short answer, no."

LOL! Did you really read my post? I said that I've been driving for over 30 years and I've only gotten into one accident which was avoidable if only I had been exercising more caution. In those 30 years there has not been one instance in which having "racing car driving skills" would have made any difference to me. Do you really think that it's likely that there will be some day before the end of my expected lifespan that I will need "racing car driving skills" to save my life in a driving situation?

BTW, due to advances in auto technology, today's drivers already have a number of tools to help them in emergency driving situations such as anti-lock braking systems (computer-controlled brakes to prevent brake locking and skidding) and vehicle stability control (computer-monitored yaw sensors which can adjust braking to individual wheels to help stop a car from skidding out of control). No expert "racing driver" training needed to use these systems. They're constantly operating in the background in most modern cars.


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Posted by Safe Driver Fed up with Idiots
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 25, 2015 at 1:16 pm

I said it before and will say it again -- no amount of new toll roads, fancy cars or any other things will ever make up for the overwhelming stupidity of many drivers. I am not talking about drivers who have not taken some professional driving course, I am talking about ordinary people who have too few brains and no good judgment and should be severely penalized when their moronic actions impact the rest of us.

I have been driving for decades without benefit of some driving course for race car drivers. I had one speeding ticket at age 17 and have been involved in two accidents. Both times I was rear ended by an idiot talking or texting on a cell phone. Both times all traffic was stopped in front of me but because I allowed plenty of room between my car and the next, my car was not shoved into another one although in one case the person who hit me was going nearly 50 MPH. THAT is what defensive driving is about, no fancy race car training can substitute for my judgment in allowing all of that extra room.


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Posted by lkbradley
a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on Sep 25, 2015 at 9:49 pm

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If we are going to have a delay in completion,on the 580 I pray that at least Cal trans will please finish the lines especially at the on ramps from Santa Rota to Vasco exit. Due to the sun you can not see lines in front of you.Only through the rear view. Today again some driver's and truckers make their own line BC no lines. Same issue retuning back towards Pleasanton. If the rain does come and this is not completed. Were gonna have a lot of accidents.



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Posted by truewest
a resident of Stoneridge
on Sep 28, 2015 at 9:20 am

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The article notes the following: "Express lane access will be nearly continuous, except for limitations eastbound between Hacienda and Fallon and El Charro roads and westbound between Hacienda and San Ramon Road." It would be helpful to explain what this means in practice. Those areas are already bottlenecks, and if access to the express lanes access will have "limitations" at those points, it sounds as if the situation will get worse, not better.


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Posted by RestOfStory
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Sep 28, 2015 at 2:51 pm

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None of this will change for the better until the electorate asserts their will with the government in Sacramento. Face it--we enjoy this abuse and totally buy in to the view that solo drivers are the problem.

What about all those businesses that choose to locate in SF and the East Bay despite the lack of qualified employees willing to live there. Why not impose a commuter tax on any business that is unable to provide its employees locally?

What about mandating that "transportation" bond money only be used to increase freeway lanes, rather than be sucked off to pay for less effective solutions such as bicycle paths, buses, BART, HOV lanes, education (indoctrination), etc.?


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Posted by LaxDad3
a resident of Foothill High School
on Sep 30, 2015 at 7:35 am

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truewest: the limitations that the article mentions are double solid white lines. Since these lines cannot be legally crossed, they are designed to keep drivers from cutting across all lanes from the express lane to the exit. Although in practice, drivers who brazenly cut across the freeway are not deterred by the double solid lines. In other areas, single dashed white lines are used which drivers can legally cross.


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Posted by smuchs
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 30, 2015 at 4:33 pm

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Sadly, the congestion is so bad all over the Bay area that people don't seem to abide by the rules of the road anymore. People are constantly in the HOV lanes that either don't have the FasTrak device, are not bearing the approved stickers or don't have the required by law number of people in their cars. I've seen people on motorcycles and cars going through pigeon pass on the shoulders because they either can't wait or simply don't want to wait in traffic like the rest of us. I heard a news story that mentioned that these toll lanes are not really helping solve the traffic jam situation at all. I agree that the people driving on motorcycles are not adhering to law for the allowable speed of traffic to be able to split the lanes. I'm not a fan of lane splitting at all. It is unsafe and I've gotten tangled up with someone in SF who thought he would be a bad a-- and swing between lanes then cut in front of me. We ended up entangled and he proceeded to get off of his bike and come over to my car and bang dents into my hood because he thought I did something wrong to him.


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