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Original post made by Erline, Pleasanton Valley, on Jul 5, 2014

Have you got you latest bill? Were you able to cut back your usage?
Are they not fining people for over usage? None of my neighbors have seen any fines on this latest bill, even the ones who have the nice green lawns and haven't cut back much at all.

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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 5, 2014 at 7:08 am

Water and sewer bills do not arrive in this neighborhood until 4TH. week July.

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Posted by John
a resident of Country Fair
on Jul 5, 2014 at 7:21 am

I checked mine at the online site. I'm good and no fines!

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Posted by no more suffering
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 5, 2014 at 9:42 am

I cut back well over the 25% on my last bill. Then I saw all of the green lawns in my neighborhood, the water being sprayed onto the sidewalk at some downtown businesses and apartments, and I read about how the city is not actually going to fine anyone. My cutting back days are over.

They spent $200,000 to have an advertising person beg everyone to stop wasting when all they had to do is issue some fines.

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Posted by Jack
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 5, 2014 at 10:22 am

I just came in from checking the meter at the curb. I am on pace to use about 35% less water than the same period last year...

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Posted by June
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Jul 5, 2014 at 10:26 am

I drove through Hacienda Business park on Thursday and was amazed at the sprinklers that were on and the street was flooded! And here we are with dying lawns, toilets that get flushed once a day while the city of allowing such total waste of water.
The amount of money that was spent, $200,000 to advertise that we should conserve is a total crock!
Maybe someone can answer this for me. What is the water in Del Valle used for? Is it only recreation? The water level is totally up and there is even water running in the creek there and I haven't seen that in several years.
"no more suffering" where did you read that there would be no fines issued? One of my neighbors said the same thing.

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Posted by no more suffering
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 5, 2014 at 11:07 am

@june -- I read that in the PW in the article with Daniel whatever-his-name-is who is in charge of the water stuff. He said that based on the last bills there was only a small percentage of people who even would have been charged (really? has he looked around lately??) and that the city did not intend to levy any fines. So, why are we making the effort at all?

The only thing the council and the city have done is to pay $200,000 to try to get out the message that there is a water shortage and we need to cut back. Message? They want a message? Issue the fines already!! That's the message. We have already been told, in writing, how much to cut back and what the penalties would be if we do not. Except that there is really no penalty as they have refused to fine anyone. Reminds me of the uncontrolled kid in the store whose parent says, over and over again, "if you do that just ONE MORE TIME you will be sorry". Yeah, right. One thousand more times maybe. Just like this city, they threaten fines but they never will do it. So, as I said, I am done suffering with my cutbacks. I'll pay the bill and move on.

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Posted by Billie
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jul 5, 2014 at 12:42 pm

I thought I read somewhere that if the June 1st start date of Stage 3 began during a billing period, we basically get a grace period from any overage fines for that period. Actual fines for excess water usage wouldn't begin until the next billing period is calculated. It wouldn't be fair to administer fines until a residence was under the restrictions for a full billing period.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 5, 2014 at 1:35 pm

There are multiple ways to design a garden that doesn't involve planting grass and wasting water.

Explore options on might like it. Not to forget cacti!

i rest my case...

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Posted by HA
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 5, 2014 at 1:39 pm

Does anyone know about the water being pumped out of shadow cliffs? It is in the back and can only be seen if your on a paddle board.

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Posted by A Neighbor
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 5, 2014 at 2:31 pm

"I'll pay the bill and move on." Why be so focused on the fines? The issue at hand should be the lack of water, not the penalties for over usage. Why not just continue to conserve because you are doing the right thing for yourself, your community and the state? We have three months, at least, until we can begin to expect rainfall.

Do the right thing--keep conserving.

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Posted by Jack
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 5, 2014 at 2:51 pm

Anyone driven by the mayors house? How green is HIS lawn?

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 5, 2014 at 4:51 pm

what matters is not the color of the mayors come it pre-occupies you?


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Posted by Curious
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 5, 2014 at 10:29 pm

When will our city officials learn to do what Dublin does in using recycled water to irrigate the lawn? Dublin even generate their electricity from solar and offer free charging to electric vehicles. It's time we see the same in our city. Hopefully some young blood will start serving in our city council and move our city forward.

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Posted by Be suspicious!
a resident of California Somerset
on Jul 5, 2014 at 11:50 pm

Anyone with a green lawn needs to be carefully watched. We need to catch the water hogs amongst us!

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Posted by no more suffereing
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 6, 2014 at 9:07 am

I will continue to avoid waste, as I always have. I will just stop being so completely anal about it. Hello? Buckets in the shower? in every sink? letting my plants die? Completely covering and not using my pool? So done with all that.

As long as my neighbors water mid day and have green lawns, businesses and apartments downtown water daily and fill the gutters with overflow, and this stupid city pays $200,000 for marketing to beg and plead with people to understand the need to conserve, I am done with the extreme measures.

The pool cover comes off today and my trees get a deep watering. I can afford whatever they charge me and I intend to stop making extreme sacrifices while watching those around me waste water as usual with no reason to stop. When the city decides to actually do something about all that, and stop throwing money at it, I may become a drastic saver again. That $200,000 contract was the slap in the face that put me over the edge.

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Posted by Hazel
a resident of Parkside
on Jul 6, 2014 at 12:10 pm

@no more suffering, I totally 100% agree with everything you said! I, like you I'm sure, have done more than my share and will not waste water, but I'm done being so consumed with this.
My pool cover is off now too, and guess what?? We are flushing the toilets! Oh dear, are the water police coming to take us away. And if they do, then a whole bunch of city officials better be picked up too.

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Posted by tim
a resident of Castlewood
on Jul 6, 2014 at 9:21 pm

Livermore is also way ahead of the game. They use recycled water to irrigate landscape in residential neighborhoods.Pleasanton has always been a huge water wasting town.

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Posted by Ron
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 7, 2014 at 8:53 am

If you keep your lawns fertilized monthly and water as recommended your lawns will stay fairly green. This will also help the roots grow and keep your lawn healthy. They won't be lush, but will stay green. I have cut my outside watering down 50% and will occasionally hand water the dry spots and my lawns are looking good. The thing that bothers me the most is to see people still washing down driveways and leaving the water running while they wash their car.

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Posted by Lee
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 7, 2014 at 9:28 am

I too am done with the draconian saving of water. My lawns look like hell, my house smells from not flushing every time, I even saved the water my cat did not drink for plants...and now the city spent $200,000 on a consultant!

Today I'm fertilizing my lawns and deep watering. The heck with it!

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Posted by Eric
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 7, 2014 at 9:49 am

Because my neighbors have a green lawn and everyone else uses to much water I will too. What a bunch of lemmings. So if your neighbors jumped off a cliff you would too? Saving water is just the tight thing to do right now. There is no guarantee that we will get any relief this year or the next or the next or the next ...... Suffering?? Please. Children in Africa that drink out of rancid puddles suffer. Cutting back your usage of clean, healthy potable water is far from suffering, good grief.

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Posted by Daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 7, 2014 at 10:02 am

Daveg is a registered user.

I think Ron's comments were spot on. We have fertilized and have cut our watering by 50% and although the lawn is not a lush green, it is doing very well. We spot water as necessary and have still managed to easily meet the 25% reduction.

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Posted by Old Guy
a resident of Willow West
on Jul 7, 2014 at 10:06 am

I fully understand all the frustration however we all need to take a deep breath and do the right thing. Listen to A Neighbor, a voice of reason. Voice your frustration with the city and those not participating in some sort of water conservation but don't become one of them. This forum is a great place to voice your frustrations with the water issue and believe me folks are reading it.

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Posted by Be suspicious!
a resident of California Somerset
on Jul 7, 2014 at 12:09 pm

I haven't gotten my water bill yet?? Has anyone gotten theirs?

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Posted by John
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 7, 2014 at 12:49 pm

Hey, Be suspicious: In a previous life, did you report the Jews to Hitler? Maybe you should be closely scrutinized; I suspect you live in a glass house.

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Posted by L.
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Jul 7, 2014 at 2:11 pm

I don't know yet but my grass is yellow, we only water plants for 2 min, we shower much faster and we tried as a family really hard to pay attention to not use more than we really need.

In the meantime, I see my neighbors (and I am not talking about just 1 family in my street!) with nice and green front-yards, fixing their sprinklers during day time and wasting water. They also kept washing their cars like no big deal and let their kids play with water! How fair is that?

I read the whole debate about those with big properties vs. small ones and that it is easier to cut back for them. And I agree 100% with that. It is also unfair for those who have always been conscious of their water consumption and now have to reduce as much as the rest of those who didn't care. But at the time, it is sending the wrong signal to not fine the people who are not cutting back!

Now talking about fines, what's the impact of the fine? The wealthy ones will pay like it is no big deal. With all the data on water consumption, they should tell everyone: "this was your consumption last year and we expect you to cut 25%. Here is your targeted consumption for this month. Unless you tell us there was a change in your household from last year, we expect you to meet this standard. And if you don't meet the standard, we will cut your water for X numbers of days beginning of next month". Now you are getting people's attention.

Overall, I am just saddened by the lack of civility and selfishness of our community and how poorly the situation is handled by the people in charge. With all the technology in the World and all the knowledge we have, we can't even prepare and plan properly to avoid such situation.

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Posted by Looking at Wrong Thing
a resident of Beratlis Place
on Jul 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm

The issue isn't whether or not your neighbor is suffering as much as you are. The issue is what are we going to do to increase our water supply. Recycled water for commercial and city irrigation is a good start, but requires piping systems that may not yet exist. Pleasanton government, please get moving.

Can Zone 7 pump more water into our natural underground reservoir system during wet years? Zone 7 should seek to use the maximum allocation each year. Drink it or store it.

Can Pleasanton build larger reservoir storage capacity that can be filled during winter months, and other periods of rainfall. A special assessment on new development could help with some of the funding of this.

Can Pleasanton capture storm runoff before it gets into the arroyos? Yes it will have contaminants, but at least it could be added to the recycled irrigation supply. Once the water is in the arroyos, we are probably legally blocked from accessing it.

Can Pleasanton build additional storage capacity for recycled water, so there is sufficient to get us through a 6 to 9 month drought period of commercial irrigation? This may not be necessary as long as the sewer facility generates more recycled water per day than can be used.

New homes should come pre-landscaped with a combination of long-life artificial grass and drought-tolerant plantings. Do not force homeowners to never replace these with more lush vegetation, just start them off in this direction.

Consider requiring all new home and commercial properties to provide their own water supplies via some form of tanked in water (by rail or truck). Yes, this is probably a little extreme, but how prudent is it to allow more construction when we don't have sufficient water supplies for existing occupants?

Any other ideas?

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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 7, 2014 at 3:38 pm

Since the mandatory reduction was passed half-way through a billing cycle, no fines were imposed for those who didn't meet the reduction. The fines kick in at the end of this billing cycle, which is the end of July for our home. I made basic cutbacks when the mandatory conservation was made: we water twice a week, I've got dishpans in the sink and showers to catch water as it's warming up (which I use to water my potted plants and any other plants that look particularly thirsty), we flush less often, and I started using a "smart-wash" feature on my dishwasher. That's not so horrible, and I had no trouble meeting the mandate, even though I didn't start until half-way through the billing cycle. This billing cycle, I'm on track to reduce by over 40%. And guess what? My lawn is pretty green and most of my plants seem to be hanging in there. Alden Lane told me that most lawns can get by on two good waterings a week if they have a chance to get used to it.

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Posted by Dave
a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 7, 2014 at 4:28 pm

MAKE YOUR RESERVATIONS FOR THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT TOUR THIS JULY 9TH. It is well worth the tour. Learn about our reclaimed water and how much of it (millions and millions of gallons per year)are pumped over the hill to be poured into the SF Bay. Too bad that pipeline doesn't run over the other hill to the SJ Valley to irrigate our crops...too bad i don't have two water meters in front of my house, one for potable water and one for non-potable water, i would buy reclaimed water for my yards, if we all used reclaimed water to irrigate, all future droughts would be ended, EBMUD could sell a lake too SMUD and Hetch Hetchy (Yosemite's twin valley) could be removed and restored for future generations. Write your Congressman and make changes!!!
Dave Ferguson
Mr. Rooter Plumbing of the Tri-Valley

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Posted by Henry
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 7, 2014 at 5:25 pm

Has Pleasanton developed contingency plans for the extreme drought lasting another 1 year, 2 years, 3 years or more? Zone 7 is a very small water agency and most likely will get steamrollered by other larger boards with more money to toss around, and greater volumes of water in storage. You can be sure that if Hetch Hetchy runs dry and San Francisco loses its water supply, no one will be talking about Pleasanton and the Tri-Valley. We should start developing plans for the event this drought continues past mid-decade. FYI, with a little conservation, our household was able to reduce usage 50% year-to-year on our June 26 bill just received, and 35% on the previous one. "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down."

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Posted by gimme a break
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 8, 2014 at 12:33 pm

After all the manufactured crisis’s perpetrated by big business and government designed to fleece and control the American people over the decades, who can say with 100% accuracy that we can believe what we are told? The sky is always falling and if we just paid a little more in taxes or fees everything would be alright. I say BS. Yeah, it's hot. Maybe we are short of water. Who's in charge of the water? Somebody has some splainin' to do. I lived in Sacramento for 2 decades and they would always let too much water out of the dam and then we'd be short on water come summer and be forced to conserve while prices skyrocket. They never seem’d to learn from this as it played over and over every couple years. I say whoever is in charge of the water make damn sure we store enough to get through the next season. Need more storage? BUILD IT DAMNIT! What, we don't already pay enough in taxes? If you can't meet the needs of the people, you aren't doing your job. Period.

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Posted by Hetch Hetchy Clem
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 8, 2014 at 2:33 pm

Those that have dreams of reclaiming the Hetch-Hetchy valley are delusional (weed, crack, genetic?) on at least a half-dozen counts. That is especially true given the number of immigrants that are streaming into California.

Perhaps the Tri-Valley should shut off the pumping of water from our underground aquifer that is done by San Francisco. That might give the S. F. enviro-wackos a wake-up call.

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