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by Pablo, Downtown,
on May 31, 2011
There is also the possibility of being arrested in Ca even if you don't have a criminal record.
Think a little deeper, Pablo. This is Brown's way of telling the Feds that they are not doing their jobs to provide enough enforcement on the borders. The current program puts state and local law enforcement on the front lines of border security and is a HUGE financial burden to the state of California.
And instead of taunting Washington D.C. and alienating the rest of the country with racist unenforceable legislation the way Arizona did, he used his intelligence, statesmanship and attorney general background to make the same point: border security is a federal obligation.
I support Brown's decision as humane, fiscally responsible and a stoke of tactical genius.
Wow, A Neighbor---really? " intelligence, statesmanship"? How about lazy, unaccountable, irresponsible, pandering, spineless?
By taking a hands off approach, it condones the lawlessness that's turning California into a 3rd world country. Instead of leading the way, Brown chose to take the cowards way out, in the hopes that he and his liberal cohorts can gain more of the latino vote. Imagine if the state decide to stop prosecuting murder one charges because they are a federal crime? I'm sure some of this 'statemenship' may have something to do with the mismanaged prison system in Calif. since Brown can't fund the system to house the dirtbags already there, let alone the criminals pouring over (and under) the border.
Steve, do you believe that the State of California ought to foot the bulk of the bill for patrolling our National boarders then, and for processing and holding criminals? How is that right? Don't we have enough problems to solve financially in our state that are legitimately "California's" before we continue to fund something that the Federal goverment ought to be covering (same as in all the other states along the Mexican boarder)?
Well said A Neighbor! This is a humane and fiscally responsible way to treat contributing members of our society. CAlifornia is hardly a 3rd world country Steve. Perhaps you want to travel the world a bit to see real 3rd world countries. I can give you a few hints if you don't know what they are. Please remember these "illegals" are productive members of our society who are trying to raise their children, support their family. working, paying taxes (yes, most of them do) etc.
The car ahead hit the rear of the car in front of it at a stop light. Instead of stopping, exchanging information, he put his car into reverse, slammed into the front of my daughter's car, then raced away, hit and run.
The police said he was probably an illegal alien, and/or driving without a license.
All he "produced" was grief, and loss.
It's amazing how thoughtless some people are. Brown is correct. If illegal immigrants are deported by the police when they are arrested (regardless if they are guilty of the offense or not), this would have a chilling effect on local law enforcement. Peaceful illegals would stop going to the police for help for fear of being deported. They would likely become the target of criminals and would more often decide it's better to take matters into their own hands to get justice. Obviously, the consequence would be less law enforcement help from the community and higher crime rates.
The post by "Watch Out" pretty much proves the point.
Why would an illegal be afraid of stopping and exchanging information? If he/she has a licence and insurance, there should be no reason not to stop.
Of course, if the person is illegal, he/she may not have a license because they can't get one these days.
So, I propose that the law that prevents illegals from getting a drivers license is the root cause of this hit and run accident.
The more barriers you put up for people the be peaceful, the less likely they are to be peaceful.
after reading the comments, it's obvious that it's a waste of time to argue with an idiot.
If rich people (shirking their tax responsibility) wouldn't hire illegals for cheap labor, they wouldn't have any reason to come to California illegally.
Brian and Watch Out -- Could it also be just as likely that the hit and run driver was legal, licensed and insured, but had a warrant out for his arrest for another unrelated issue, like skipping his child support payments, or writing bad checks, or maybe he was DUI? There seems to be no basis for suggesting he was an illegal.
As unfortunate as the accident was, it is certainly not an example that would convince anyone that Brown is doing the wrong thing on the subject of immigration enforcement and the responsibilities of the Feds to control the borders.
Neighbor - You are correct. It is possible that the driver was legal and had other reason to run. However, "Watch Out" was trying to say it was highly likely that the driver was illegal. If that were the case, the driver likely did not have a drivers license because illegals can no longer get them. So I propose that the law that prevents illegals from getting a drivers license has the unintended consequence of increasing crimes such as hit and run accidents.
There will be similar unintended consequences if police are forced the check the immigration status of everyone they arrest. For example, if an illegal has an unpaid parking ticket, instead of peacefully surrendering, he'll run. So, there will be an increase in things like high speed chases for stupid things like unpaid parking tickets.
You reap what you sew.
My gardeners do a fantastic job and I get to pay them in cash as well. I asked if they were illegal and they told me no so that is fine with me. I needed to have some concrete work done and they knew someone to do it for me and cheap as well and they did a great job, again cash. Honestly speaking with as high as taxes are I am paying cash and getting cash for all of my transactions. no taxes and no declared income. I think if you are observant you will see that many businesses around town leave the till open, do not ring up the register, and want cash only. You will see more of this.
Paying cash is an excellent idea. It saves you transaction charges and interest, and it keeps you from spending money you don't have.
I always get a receipt, though. Receipts turn into nice deductions at tax time and encourage the people you are doing business with to be honest!
If we all do what we're supposed to do, then most of the time things run smoothly.
It's time to formed armed militias to patrol the border. Let Obama and his evil pimp Holder come down to check that out. They might want to get up close and personal with the militia. We might get lucky.
I'm amazed at the naive posters wanting to make our laws even more lax by caving into illegals demands or desires. While you're rolling out the red carpet to these invaders, keep in mind they continue to consume the increasing scarce resources provided by this state, lowering everyone's quality of life and increasing the costs of services. While you may think that relieving whatever guilt you're carrying around by appeasing these criminals makes you a better person, in fact what you're doing is aiding and abetting criminals. While California may no longer be in a position to fund the overwhelming effort require to stem the tide of illegal invasions, we also can't afford not to participate or ignore the law---that cost is even higher.
Yes, in this country we just aid and abet rich folks and corporations. Amazing how we somehow have the money to fund their mistakes and then turn around and blame the working man for them. If you preach following the laws, then how about all the laws for all people.
give me a break - What are you personally doing to help bring Wall Street to justice? What are you personally doing to change the tax code that enables a 15% tax rate for private equity firms, etc.?
I know I have done something, but what about you? And this is coming from one of those Tea Party folks you likely despise.
I continue to be amazed at the crappy financial reform bill we got when one party who supposedly cares the most for the common man controlled the White House and both branches of the legislature.
So before you try to accuse others, look in the mirror. We have many issues but one issue (lack of control of entitlements going to illegal aliens) does not negate another issue (the one you rightly bring up).
give me a break-nowhere in my post did I claim 2 wrongs make a right. Excusing illegal aliens because those evil successful people made out well by bending or breaking the law is no excuse. They are all criminals, it's just that there's way more sneaking over the border, using our services, committing violent crimes, etc.
They should all be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Your attempt at diversion from the issue at hand doesn't place you on higher ground...it just hows a lack of focus on the larger issue.
So you think illegals pay their way ???? they are right on the tails of the public unions as to why our kids schools are broke ! !
But, our electeds do not have the spine or objectivity to deal with either one......easier to run back to us demanding more money.
And there it is! Idiocy speaks and readers are rendered speechless.
I have never heard so many people blame so many things on "illegal aliens". Everytime there is a wrong or an issue it is the illegals! Perhaps looking in the mirror is just to difficult. Get a grip.
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