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Why so many Haters of Ruby Hill?

Original post made by maja7, Vintage Hills, on Jun 30, 2010

One thing I've noticed in my short time on the PW Town Square Forum is that so many contributors seem to have this intense hatred for "Ruby Hill people". I don't understand it. Why not the same feelings thrown at Laguna Oaks residents? Castlewood residents? Or any of the other wealthier communities within P-town?

Has there been a negative interaction with residents of this community? Why the negative perception? Or is it just an example of taking down the well-off in our community? Since people with higher home values pay higher property taxes, the residents of these neighborhoods pay a bigger property tax bill that are then funneled back into our community.

I just don't get it. I hesitantly ask.....Can someone enlighten me?

Comments (61)

Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jun 30, 2010 at 10:57 am

what posters are you referring to? please cite instances of what you perceive as "hate"...

Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jun 30, 2010 at 10:58 am

Correction: hatred

Posted by mellow fellow
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2010 at 12:38 pm

I don't think people really spend that must time thinking about Ruby Hill.

Posted by Obama
a resident of Downtown
on Jun 30, 2010 at 12:48 pm

It is the in thing now that we have President kick a...s and Vice President Smart a..s (aka "Bite me") in office. Rich bad, bankers bad, have a job bad, ambition bad, money bad, small business bad..............taxes good, illegals good, unemployed good, minority good, welfare good............

sums it up!!!

Posted by Obama
a resident of Downtown
on Jun 30, 2010 at 12:54 pm

The other issue is that RH is not really in Pleasanton. The land is part of Livermore and the builder cut a deal so that RH could cite Pleasanton as the town. Twisted Livermore as well as Pleasanton.

Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown
on Jun 30, 2010 at 1:24 pm

It seems that too much money breeds stupidity in the case of some Ruby Hill residents. You can search this site for comments about the party (last summer???) where some over-rich under-brained parents allowed their kid to have a huge party. The parents provided the house, the booze, the drugs and then charged the kids an admission fee. No, I am not making this up.
That pretty much sums up the folks who live there, in their own little world. A world that is actually part of Livermore as stated by another writer. Livermore did not have enough status for them so they got themselves annexed to P-Town.

Posted by Curious
a resident of Del Prado
on Jun 30, 2010 at 1:24 pm

Well, RH has not really endeared themselves to the community over the years. First, they were unable to negotiate the round-abouts installed on Vineyard as a traffic calming measure, so they demanded the removal of the round-abouts at a tax-payer cost of $700,000. Now, they are trying to cancel the popular Tri 4 Fun series at Shadowcliffs because they do not like having traffic control in place on Vineyard one Saturday a month for a few hours in the morning over the summer.

Posted by HHR
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2010 at 1:58 pm

I still think the worst example of NIMBYsm was from residents of the Sports Park neighborhood, a while back, when they actually hired a lawyer to force a family with a couple of kids to get rid of 2 hens they were raising in their backyard. These people live next door to one of Pleasanton's noisiest areas with the non-stop screaming and yelling of kids and parents, and they complained that 2 hens were too loud. Ruby Hill is nothing compared to this!

Posted by Jack
a resident of Downtown
on Jun 30, 2010 at 2:36 pm

Let's at least get the facts straight: Ruby Hill originally wanted to be annexed into Pleasanton. The do-gooder, no growthers then on the council told them to go away... Ruby then went to Livermore, who couldn't quite wrap their arms around the concept either. Ruby then was going to be developed under Alameda County, and for all you fans of Dublin, most of orignal Dublin was developed under the County (anything goes!). Then, the cities of Pleasanton and Livermore saw the light that they would have to provide police, fire, sewer, schools, etc. for the people of Ruby Hill who would then pay their large property tax bills to the county! So to get the tax money, Pleasanton was backed into annexing Ruby Hill... The rest is history

Posted by maja7
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jun 30, 2010 at 4:02 pm

I appreciate all the input and I feel I learned from it too. In my reading comments on other posts over the last month or so, I just get the feeling of such animosity towards Ruby Hill that doesn't exist towards the other wealthier developments in P-town. The roundabouts on Vineyard Ave (that were to serve as traffic enforcement for the Neal Elementary School, that will never be built;another mess by our City leaders)being taken out upset me, too. So I can see your point.

In response to resident/Downtown neighborhood, the example you cited (that I'm unfamiliar with) is certainly one that I find reprehensible. Might I point out, however, that I am confident that there are other parental styles right here in P-town that would make most of us shudder. I don't care what neighborhood you live in, bad parenting happens. Anyone can become a parent, not everyone should be a parent, however.

Thanks to you all for the insight:) I genuinely appreciate your time and thoughts.

Posted by ugh
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2010 at 5:42 pm

Ruby Hill residents are not singled out for being obnoxious. Although now that you mention it, the people I know from there are very obnoxious. One family with the most dysfunctional kids on the planet, messiest house (looks like a slum), the mother is 500 lbs. The other a guy who looks for freebies of wine and food everywhere he goes, including my house, meetings (ugh), because he has to pay for his stuff. I could go on but its boring. You guys aren't considered the great rich ones you think you are. But in the long run, I agree with one of the posts here, nobody really thinks about you guys that much (except that you think you deserve more than you actually deserve. Boring.

Posted by maja7
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jun 30, 2010 at 8:05 pm

Thought I ended this on a good are making broad generalizations based upon your experience of one family? "The kids are the most dsyfunctional on the planet". Really? Wow, does that seem fair or even logical?

And to respond to the "nobody really thinks about you guys that much". I do remember the residents of Ruby Hill being used as the punch line for problems in P-town. And what's this about "they think they deserve more than you actually deserve"? Don't we all deserve what we can afford? If they can afford more, they can have more. You buy it, you can have it. That's capitalism. That's the grease that runs our society, as materialistic as it sounds.

If you're talking about snobby behavior, I agree with you that we should all treat each other like we'd like to be treated. I think, that's the Golden Rule, isn't it? Treat others as you would like to be treated. Don't prejudge matter where they live.

Posted by Arroyo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2010 at 9:23 pm

It's called J-E-A-L-O-U-S-Y-!

Posted by Sue
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jun 30, 2010 at 9:34 pm

There is a very hostile class envy directed toward Ruby Hill.

I do not live in RH but I followed the round about issue and drove them often. They were built wrong making them dangerous and awful to drive. There was a very high incident of accidents, some very serious, that has been completely eliminated since they were removed. Even rich people deserve to be safe.

Posted by Sue
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 1, 2010 at 12:24 am

I'm gonna cover it all. My kids go to the elementary school overrun by the RH kids and I have seen more than I would like of the angry kids who come from that hood. Hurt kids hurt other kids and these kids been left at home with a sitter, its written all over them by their bad behavior. Mom shoulda got a hound and left it at the kennel all day instead of a baby cause you actually can't keep your high powered job and be a decent mother too, your simply gone too much of the day. Yes, I know you love your babies, your priorities are just goofed up. Love them, show them, perhaps live in Livermore with one income and home school if you don't like the schools, but make it work with dad's income until they are grown then go back but don't leave them with sitters while you hustle a buck. Its just, just, wrong and the kids feel it while you continuously reason away your guilt. And it hurts your kids, then they lash out at my kids. Then I get pissed at you for not recognizing the obvious. You are to blame so stop it. You are worth so much just as you are, you don't need a job title to let anyone know you are all that and a bag of chips. You and your husband both know you are all that. Be all that to your kids now please.
If they are RH, you can count on them being either mean or manipulating. Befriend your son or daughter one minute then drop them like a hot potato the next. Its not normal kid behavior. Its short attention span- raised by a babysitter and a video -mentality I observe from them. May I state there was one exceptional family in the wasteland called RH but they moved out last summer to the Boston area. Such a shame. I was hanging onto them as my one normal family example but they got the heck out and no wonder why. Some other approval-craving sap bought their house.
Kids act on what they see and folks who would willingly spend 2 million dollars on a home stuck out by the gravel pit just for the neighborhood status are not the old rich, they are the new rich pains in the butt. You know, the ones who get money and buy a souped up four by four with a big, big antenna? Or an orange mercedes. Or any status car period. Yup. The old rich go live in Castlewood drive a Prius or old mercedes because of the resale value and they are more genuine because they have had a few generations to get used to having money and aren't so carried away with themselves over it. Its as if the C-wood folks quietly buy their beatiful homes up there and then shut the heck up about it. Thank you Castlewood. I am grossly generalizing, but there is good reason why the folks of Castlewood don't bug me and the folks of RH do. Roundy-rounds got nothing to do with it. OK I said it.

Posted by TJ
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 7:34 am

It is sad to see our community neighbors acting like jealous children. Not everyone in Ruby Hill is mean, or rich, most of us are normal working people, loving parents, and hard working community minded people. If you have such crazy ideas about things that go on behind the gate, maybe you should come out and visit. What about the things that we have done for the community, the money we have giving to the Tri-Valley charities through the Ruby Hill Giving Charity Events for the last 10 years. Get a grip people we all just want to provide for our families

Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 1, 2010 at 7:47 am

Stacey is a registered user.

TJ wrote: "What about the things that we have done for the community, the money we have giving to the Tri-Valley charities through the Ruby Hill Giving Charity Events for the last 10 years."

OMG you did NOT just write that! I certainly don't condone this thread, but what you wrote takes the cake. Frankly, who cares about the donation events? It's going for a good cause. But if you use them to advertise your worth, like you did here, then the good cause goes out the window, replaced by narcissism.

Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 1, 2010 at 7:49 am

Stacey is a registered user.

In other words, did you donate because you were sincere in your desire to help or because it allows you to say, "Look at me, I donated!"?

Posted by tyu
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 am

Is it better to donate in silence or promote it hoping other's will follow your lead? Everyone gets something out of donating, either an event to celebrate the donors, a fun run (etc.) or a personal feeling of satisfaction from helping others. People don't seem to get their hands dirty helping people out as individuals anymore. They have a fun event that costs money that could be donated, takes time that could be offered to those needing it (like driving someone to their chemo appt instead of riding in a bike race), and then the money is giving to organizations that use portions (sometimes large) to finance their organizations. It's very trickle down.

Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 1, 2010 at 8:14 am

Stacey is a registered user.

The events were cited not for promoting the activity of donating, but for validating a group of people. Do you see the difference? It isn't about the act of donating or promoting such social justice activity. Is that what readers are supposed to take away from the message, that without Ruby Hill there would be no donations to charity and so we're all supposed to value Ruby Hill more and not complain about the few bad apples in the group?

Posted by TJ
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 8:25 am

What I am saying is this neighborhood does a lot of good things why are people so down on others who live a good life? Do you not have anything worthy in your own life that you have to beat on others? Who you probably like if you didn't know where they lived. Is this the christian way of living? I don't think so I will stick to what is the right thing to do and not get in a pissing match with people who don't know me. I know that what I live is a good life with many wonderful friends and a wonderful family good luck to you haters. I wish you much luck in the rest of your world. I am proud to say I live in Ruby Hill.

Posted by Diane
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 8:45 am

I live in RH and am SICK AND TIRED of all the jealous ppl that write bad comments about us living in the beautiful community. IF they had the $ to live here they would, guaranted. We have worked our butts off to get here. We do realize that there are alot of ppl that live here that have more money then brains, BUT we just let them live their dumb lives. And yes there are those homeowners that must drive the finiest cars. You will have those ppl in every neighborhood rich or poor. Just think how our city would be without all the $ we are paying in property taxes every year. The average homeowner is paying about $20,000 a year, do the math.

Posted by TJ
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:05 am

Good for You Diane.

Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:19 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Friend, there's no reason to defend the bad apples in Ruby Hill regardless of their participation in good causes. You know who they are and you know that you are not them. You know that every neighborhood, every community has their good side and bad side and you know that when people write here and complain about those bad apples, you don't need to take it personally because you're better than that. You probably complain about the bad apples in your own neighborhood too, just as anyone would complain about the bad apples in their own neighborhood. You know that lumping together all Ruby Hill people is just a gross generalization and nonconstructive.

Posted by Mary
a resident of Old Towne
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:27 am

The Ruby Hills area has alwasy been in Pleasanton's sphere of influence for planning purposes and was never in Livermore. That is why LAFCO had no issues with approving the annexation to Pleasanton way back when and County even pushed it this way and not east.

Posted by Weighing In
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:27 am

T.J., we'd love to come visit, but did you notice: there's a gate locking us out!

Posted by BJ
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:38 am

Who cares? How old are we here? And, how small is YOUR world to have to focus so much on this labeling? There are good and bad everywhere. I am fortunate enough to have experience with both sides from RH.
I know personally of some sad situations, I know personally of so wonderful families. We can't generalize and we really only have control of our own families - we should stay focused on ourselves and our children. Money doesn't make anyone smarter - in case you thought it did. Oh, and I know of some seriously ridiculous folks in Castelwood/Foothill area........

Posted by sr
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:39 am

This is so ridiculous. You people can't be as stupid as your comments, so I will give you the benefit of doubt that you are just having a bad morning and writing these comments without your fingers connected to your brain. Having volunteered in many school systems across the country over 20 years there are bad, selfish parents in every income level from multi-millionaire to welfare parents, as well as awesome ones at every level. As I've said before, go to a school in a "project" neighborhood if you think high income, well educated people don't benefit a community. I do not live in Ruby Hill, but know people who do that are devout Christians, wonderful strict parents who instill good values in their kids and spend hours of their time volunteering in the community in numerous ways. I know people like this in virtually every neighborhood in Pleasanton. As well as people who are the exact opposite in every neighbor hood. Why don't you just add to your comments that all blacks are drug dealers, all Asians can't drive, all bikers should be banned, all democrats are socialist, all republicans are....whatever.... Oh wait many of you already say those things. This country is in the shape it is because of the polar division caused by peoples' tunnel vision. It scares me for our future. Until we start working together rather than for our own selfish agenda none of the massive problems this country is experiencing will be solved.

Posted by DB
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:41 am

My kid has several friends in Ruby Hill, who are wonderful kids, with wonderful well adjusted families. As in any neighborhood, you'll find all kinds in Ruby Hill: some with which you may have issue (but who are you to judge?) and others that you'll be hard pressed to criticize (why would you want to anyway?). It's still a free country, and if folks can afford to live in Ruby Hill and choose to do so, more power to them. Those who are jealous should redirect their energy to bettering themselves and taking advantage of the opportunities this country has to offer. Then maybe some day they too, or their kids, can live in Ruby Hills or any neighborhood of their choice, without being jealous of their neighbor's success...

Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:42 am

good insight from all the sanctimonious blowhards on this thread. (not). Your jealousy is not very becoming and is representative of the shortcomings many of our left-leaning politicians successfully captialize on---class-envy and the desire to bring the successful down to your level (or lower, if possible).

You must be very proud of yourselves today. Now, go out and get a life...even if you have to buy one.

Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:57 am

Stacey is a registered user.


BTW, Ruby Hill was in Livermore's sphere of influence, not Pleasanton's. Or at least that's how it has always been reported in the news.

Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:01 am

Wow, it's kind of a good thing that Measure D was defeated. Just think of the attitude & bad rap the Oak Grove residents would have been saddled with.

Millionaires vs. multi-millionaires, yee haa!

Posted by Measure G was a factor too
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:10 am

I think the fact that the Aslage family and several others in RH campaigned hard against Measure G contributed to the perception (wrong or right) that the people who live there self-serving (zoned in PUSD for the better schools but not supporting them when they need it).

Posted by Measure G was a factor too
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:10 am

I think the fact that the Aslage family and several others in RH campaigned hard against Measure G contributed to the perception (wrong or right) that the people who live there self-serving (zoned in PUSD for the better schools but not supporting them when they need it).

Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:12 am

A golfing friend of my wife told her she didn't live in Pleasanton, she lived in Ruby Hill. That made us chuckle.

I am always teasing my RH friends by telling that story to them.

Posted by Steve
a resident of Parkside
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:21 am

Tim, it's about as amusing as saying you live in Piedmont, when you really live in the Oakland Hills.
Ruby Hills is almost big enough to be a small city and everyone knows where it is and it's far from the remainder of the city of Pleasanton, so it's more accurate than just saying I live in the town that borders dublin.

Posted by Resident
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:37 am

RH....Residents say I live in Ruby Hill - not Pleasanton...they wield their "new money" in every way possible and unfortunately it isn't always positive. If their kids get in trouble - wield their money. If they want something that isn't provided in their specific school - they wield their money. If they want to let their kids have huge drunken parties and drive golf carts around the streets in unsafe ways - they say we live in a private gated community and the police aren't allowed in unless called for a reason. If they don't like something that the rest of us Pleasanton residents have to live with - they wield their RH power and get it changed. They host wonderful gala events that do benefit others but let's not kid ourselves - many of the folks that participate (NOT the initial chairwoman) do it to be seen and to be recognized!!! What about the Neal School - didn't want their kids having to attend Vintage Hills or Valley View. They wanted their own school for their own Ruby Hill children so as to be spared having to deal with the rest of the Pleasanton residents. It cost the taxpayers/school department millions to fight. Is that in the spirit of good community relations? They had a community park built as is required by all developers in Pleasanton - however it is INSIDE the big gate. No one but Ruby Hill is allowed to use it. That's not true of any other park in Pleasanton. I hope the children that grow up there have the means to continue to live in their "ivory tower" surroundings because otherwise the real world will be a rude awakening. I don't see the same attitude with the other wealthy developments in town - perhaps because it's not so "private country club" living in those neighborhoods . Certainly not in Castlewood. There's just something different about the culture of the neighborhood even though there are plenty of very nice families that live there.

Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 1, 2010 at 11:16 am

this post should be removed

playing on insecurities, anger, and hate is ridiculous

sparking a community into this conversation is immaturity at best

get over it. people are going to be rich or poor, they make their decisions through life and that is life! money has nothing to do with anything, sometimes it is unhappiness... some people worked hard to achieve the goal of a beautiful home.

leave it alone. we all try very hard to get along in this life.

it doesnt matter where you live, what you have.... what matters is that regardless, you are a good person, and if you are not then it is no ones place to judge you is it? but God's place.

we are all individuals, focus on who you are, and where you live...

how shameful of all of you and your comments on people you really have no place to judge. this is as bad as those who comment on our beautiful vineyard ave... and assume we are all bad here too.

it seems to me that ALL OF YOU WHO SPEND the time putting everyone else down NEED TO LEARN TO BE FORGIVING AND LOVING

shameful postings!

Posted by Amused
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jul 1, 2010 at 11:28 am

PLEASE don't remove this post as advised by the previous writer. This is the most fun I have had in years.

Posted by Pleasanton neighbor
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 11:29 am

We live in Ruby Hill and I admit I didn't want the realtor to show us any homes there because I didn't want my kids to grow up as arrogant, entitled brats. After looking all over Pleasanton we fell in love with a home there and found that like ANYWHERE, there are small-minded jerks and there are also incredibly hard-working, down-to-earth people. We each own one car with high mileage, and our teen children share a used car as well. We do host parties for the kids to celebrate soccer seasons and school events, but there is never alcohol and there is always adult supervision. Our children aren't perfect, but they have jobs and are leaders in the school and community. Yes, they are fortunate so we teach them to work hard, make a difference by helping others and never take anything for granted.

After all, a person's true wealth is not their address or size of their house, but the number of friends and their generosity of spirit.

Posted by jenn
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 11:43 am

I live in Ruby Hill. To tell you the truth, I am not surprised at all the venom being spewed on this topic. I have been confronted by the class envy that I've read about here. And, I have learned not to tell people that I meet that I live in Ruby Hill because it immediately changes how they relate to me. I have been in conversations with people and they are ranting about Ruby Hill and how horrible the inhabitants are that live there, without even knowing them. Does that sound fair?

I was born in P-town in 1961, grew up in a modest home, worked my way thru college (CSU, Chico), lived/worked in Santa Monica before returning home to P-town in the early 90's(wow! it changed in ways you can't imagine). Meeting & marrying my husband, and deciding before marriage that I would stay home when/if we have children.

We have now have 4 children (17 to 8 years old), I'm a stay-at-home mom and I live in Ruby Hill.I am offended by many of the comments but in particular by Sue/Downtown neighborhood. My children are the very children that you have lumped into the category that have hurt your children. My goal in life is to raise "good people". So, please when you lump all of us, RH parents, together please know that you are being naive/ignorant to make this generalization. Much like I would be ignorant if I believed that my children should not socialize with children that don't live within Ruby Hill!! That would be ridiculous!

Yes, we are a gated community. Yes, we do have a community park that you can't use because it's inside the gate. Yes, some of our fellow community members do pay more attention to their bank accounts, stock portfolios, luxury cars and golf game than they do to their children.And, saying that, there are some of us, Ruby Hill people, that live here because we've been blessed with opportunities and we've made wise investments. Our house is not one of the monster houses in Ruby Hill, it is simple in comparison. One of the things that is a bonus to living here is that my husband is a Police Officer and works nights in a city over 45 minutes away. So, try to imagine the "peace of mind I have" living in this gated community when I was home alone with 4 children, while my husband worked through the night until 9am in the morning.

So, really....what's this all about. Generalities? Yes. Bad experiences with some of our community? Yes.Just like you, we pay our mortgage, monthly HOA dues & property taxes,we are a part of P-town. It is an affluent community, it's a wonderful community, let's try to get along better and not make such generalizations. It makes all of us look petty.

Posted by Sue
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jul 1, 2010 at 12:10 pm

The hatred toward Ruby Hill is ignorant class envy, pure and simple.

Posted by S
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 12:18 pm

A few things.

1. I'm totally bummed I stumbled upon this post (found the link on FB, btw) before noon today, I'll admit it has put a bit of a wrench in my mood.

2. I think everyone needs to take two steps back here. We need to remember that every part of Pleasanton is a critical part of the Pleasanton equation. All Pleasanton residents pay taxes to Pleasanton, therefore bettering the schools, public safety, resources, all that jazz. Say we got rid of one neighborhood (not just RH, ANY neighborhood), we'd be losing an essential part of what makes Pleasanton, well, Pleasanton. Say we ditched Parkside neighborhood because of reason A, we now won't have the largest park in the city for the children to play their games and tournaments at, nor do we have hundreds of people that are working and playing, and overall contributing to the livelihood of this city. Say we ditched the Stoneridge area for reason B, we would lose the income from one of the highest revenue generating malls in the entire state of California, and a huge chunk of the children that go to FHS. Say we ditched Ruby Hill for reason C. We'd lose over 800 households that have children, productive citizens that work and contribute to society.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that everyone attacking one community versus another here is losing sight of the fact that we are only the way we are as a result of all parts of our equation. Amador would have to find a different place to practice golf without RH, all the summer swim team leagues would have a shorter season without Castlewood as a competitor, our community atmosphere would lose a huge piece of itself without Saturday Markets or Concerts in the Park. I could go on and on, the list is substantial about what would be missing if any one neighborhood was 'removed' from Pleasanton.

In one sentence, every piece of this pie is needed to make Pleasanton what it is. If you don't like the flavor of this pie, perhaps you should stop putting in pepper when all we need is a little sugar to perfect the recipe. Be nice, all the time. Otherwise, you're no better than the people you're attacking.

Posted by Parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm

Pleasanton residents don't dislike Ruby Hill residents.

Their wrath is toward Signature Properties, developer of Ruby Hill, who for years did not pay its fair share toward District-wide school facility construction, and then is associated with the Neal school fiasco, for which the District now owes millions of dollars (at least $4 or $5 million) in attorney fees.

Web Link

Posted by Withheld
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 pm

I think the person who "commenced" this subject is generally wrong, and over-emphasizing this subject. We don't need more "class division" within our community -- we get enough of that from the White House, Lord knows -- we need more MUTUAL TOLERANCE and MUTUAL RESPECT. Based on the comments this has solicited, there is obviously a lot of "NON-THINKING" AND INTOLERANCE around, and this should be changed -- it starts with ME and with YOU. Subjects like Measure D only serve to DIVIDE people and communities -- not bring them together! That was nothing but another NIMBY move -- pure & simple. The result did NOT reflect what was GOOD FOR ALL OF PLEASANTON, just what a politician without a job, and a NIMBY in the person of K. Brown wanted. Are we a better community now that the election is over? I don't think so. The ISSUE is still alive and well.
Class divisiveness serves NO-ONE well! Ruby Hill is a nice community, full of, I am sure, generally nice people and families. I chose NOT to live there, but that was my choice. I don't think gated communities serve the community well, in general. They foster divisiveness. But, different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Mellow out, folks..........................

Posted by Let it go
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 1, 2010 at 2:16 pm

There are good and bad neighbors in every neighborhood. Why don't we all get over where people live and work on being the best neighbor that YOU can be. Let people live their lives...

Posted by COC
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 2:55 pm

Jenn, thank you so much for what you said about your background and your neighbors in Ruby Hill. We live here too and it's people like you that I've known here - not the crazies that have been described.

I think the Pleasanton Weekly forum has done more to divide the people of Pleasanton than it has to build a better community. It seems to provide a bullhorn to a *few* people who malign others.

Not much good comes out of having malice in your heart.
Make each day one of preparation for better things to come.

We have found Pleasanton to be a really great place to live and raise our kids and we love our neighbors. Good people.

Posted by Katie
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 1, 2010 at 3:04 pm

There are many people who live in Ruby that are a little bit off their rocker, but then again there are some very nice people. Just like anything, there is good and bad.

Posted by Roundabouts
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 1, 2010 at 6:41 pm

RH is closer to Livermore town center than Pleasanton. At least Vineyard is better to drive than it used to be. The roundabouts were circles and not very good ones. Sorry, a round about should be large enough that you see the curve of the circle - those inside have right away and big enough that you have to slow down to curve in and then out of the circle. I used to live in a gated community and a circle was outside of the entrance. The laws were such that if there were a traffic light (as at RH), it would not be gated. Whoever put the circles in Vineyard caused more hazards - not a real circle or round about. That firm should have removed the hazard for free or put real ones in.

I have had problems at the gate trying to pick up my daughter - not sure if the family didn't call to say I could come in, but I have serious issues of driving all the way out and not being able to pick up my kid. Oh, yes, those are the magic words.

I have suggested that my kids go to parties in RH or any other gated community. PLS police won't follow the cars with kids (it's gated) and come to the door saying there was a neighbor complaint (shut the house door and you can barely hear noise). Oh, yes, PPD did come to our door with such a complaint and just as I thought the police were going to get into their car, another car drove up. Don't tell me they had another complaint. Oh, yes, the police were making too much noise on our porch.

I haven't lived in a gated community in years. Good and bad people are all over. My son had a friend who lived in a motel and another in RH when he was in 4th grade. It's the parents who had more problems with diversity than the kids. Ease up folks!

Posted by common sense
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 9:43 pm

Where is Ruby Hill?

Posted by D W
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:17 pm

Jealousy has never really been a human feeling. Jealousy is just plain destructive evil as far as I'm concerned. And people consider jealousy fun? Guess they never try to better their lives. Oh well.

Every district in Pleasanton has more good people than bad people. Unfortunately, talking about the bad seeds sells papers and gets hits online. I look forward to someone making positive talk more marketable to the masses.

You might want to find out how many iconic well-loved Pleasantonians live in the Ruby Hill neighborhood. You might want to ask all of the John Madden diehards what their man thinks of Ruby Hill. And you might want to remember that Ruby Hill's golf course was designed by the Greatest Golfer Ever, which may explain all of the other Ohio State alumni living in Pleasanton, at least two of them living in the Vintage Hills area. Love all the respect there, LOL.

To those posting messages with anger and emotion, good luck finding any positive in your lives and good luck finding a more productive alternative to having fun. There's more to life than lazy opinions. Still, you all have a Happy 4th and thank you for all of the reminders, good and bad!

Posted by maja7
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:29 pm

I started this discussion not to promote or encourage division in our community. I was merely trying to understand. I am of the thought that change can only come from knowledge, acceptance and the willingness to learn about others.

I apologize to anyone who felt the question was asked merely 'to churn up' negative feelings. I meant no harm. It was a simple question......I thought. It seems there are differing opinions and experiences by many in town. And like one contributor stated (Witheld/Another Pleasanton Neighborhood), we all need to have Mutual Tolerance & Respect for each other. So with that. in mind, thank you all for your honesty, whether positive or negative, my eyes have been opened.

I will continue to believe that Pleasanton is one of the best communities to raise a family and live.Though we all have our differences, good and bad, we are a community.

Posted by RH
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 2, 2010 at 8:25 am

Okay this forum has gone way to far. Let's remove it as all it does is leak out to the world how many JEALOUS people are envious of the hard working/good people that live in RH.

Posted by Gorgeous George
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 2, 2010 at 9:16 am

1) Too many RH folks have an imperious attitude - their noses are stuck too high in the air.
2) It is a gated community. That seems to be a popular thing on the two coasts. Its not very common in the mid-west. You put up a gate, you invite contempt.
3) Too much whining about schools (they created the problem) and the time it takes them to get to the stores in Pleasanton (they created the problem by living where they live). Its not our problem that it takes them a half-hour to get to Club Sport to trim their fat butts, or that they have no stores out there. So quit whining already. I don't whine because the arterial roads of Pleasanton are now clogged because of RH folks and Livermore folks (also big whiners that caused the problem).
4) Too many clueless and imperious Moms driving Suburbans. It's amazing how you can spot them - they actually stand out. My favorite is when then pull into the McDonald's drive-up and only start thinking about what they are going to order when they are in front of the speaker-phone, usually because they have been gabbing non-stop on their cell phone. Duuugggghhhh!!!
5) A group of them were DEMANDING that an Andronico's or a Whole-Paycheck Market be put out there.
6) Paying out millions of our tax dollars to pay for the Neal school fiasco.
There's more, but this is a good starter.

Posted by pop
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 2, 2010 at 9:34 am


Posted by me
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 2, 2010 at 9:39 am

I could care less about were people live. I think if you all remember back when people couldn't buy homes Birdland, Ruby Hills was there only choice at the time. I think a lot of people got a bad taste on there mouth for RH when they seem to want there own school. Here you fought to be in Pleasanton and then are schools weren't good enough. They wanted there own school that was more covenant, that the city couldn't support, look at us now, thank goodness it didn't go threw. How can you blame a whole housing track, becasue that's all it is, unless you know everyone that lives there. Were I live in P-town has nothing to do with how I feel about P-town. The fact that I have lived here since 1973 and my wife since 1965 is what I am most proud of. People have made poor choices all over this town, it's the transplants that think this town is perfect that don't get it. I can tell you this has been going off and on for years, and yes Castlewood use to be a target as well. You know what, I don't care were you live in this town, I take my years of growing up in this town and choosing to raise my family for 4 here and be grateful to live in Pleasanton, over were in Pleasanton or over RH any day. It's just a ridiculous conversation really. If you have a problem with the way people talk about living in RH then maybe you picking the wrong people to hang out with. I had friends for years and never knew that was were they lived. If you live in RH and you think your better then me, well I beg to differ becasue the years I have lived in this town out weighs your million dollar home. This city is here and was built by people that know what it is truly about to live in P-town. Money brings politics into are school, sports and businesses. Of course it's a time old problem. You know what I don't know anyone that we grew up with that even wants to live on RH.

Posted by KC
a resident of Country Fair
on Jul 2, 2010 at 10:22 am

just like anywhere, a few people can ruin it for the good ones. The RH families I know are obnoxious....BUT, being an intelligent person, i realize that does not mean that ALL RH people are like that. It just so happens that these particular people live in Ruby. I feel sorry for their neighbors having to KNOW them. With that said, jealousy is a big factor in Pleasanton. Most people can't stand the Ruby folks because they are just plain jealous of them for even living there. It is a beautiful area, who cares if it's in Livermore or Pleasanton.
There are plenty of nice people in Pleasanton that are wealthy and don't have to flaunt it.
Enjoy the sunshine everyone...and SMILE!

Posted by Karen
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 2, 2010 at 11:52 am

This forum brings out some pretty nasty, mean-spirited people. I am certain that most people I meet and know well are not secretly, anonymously malicious but really, the PW forum gives the basest part of Pleasanton a venue to spew out at least a couple of the 7 deadly sins...ok, not gluttony haha but certainly, envy and enough sloth to partake in uselsess, hateful speech.

How about it PW - why not take on the challenge of being a positive force in our town instead of encouraging the worst in us?

Posted by x
a resident of Bordeaux Estates
on Jul 2, 2010 at 1:08 pm


This forum brings out some pretty nasty, mean-spirited people. I am certain that most people I meet and know well are not secretly, anonymously malicious but really, the PW forum gives the basest part of Pleasanton a venue to spew out at least a couple of the 7 deadly sins...ok, not gluttony haha but certainly, envy and enough sloth to partake in uselsess, hateful speech.

How about it PW - why not take on the challenge of being a positive force in our town instead of encouraging the worst in us?

Posted by who me?
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 2, 2010 at 1:11 pm


...allowing your forums to create shameful community connections is very sour on the existance of this paper.

Posted by Jeb Bing
editor of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Jul 3, 2010 at 7:17 am

Jeb Bing is a registered user.

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