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Another Initiative!

Original post made by Stacey, Amberwood/Wood Meadows, on Oct 15, 2009

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"The Livermore Airport Citizens Group (LACG) has launched an initiative aimed at controlling growth and operations at the Livermore Airport."

Anyone want to join me in starting a petition drive to restrict growth on 580 and 680? </sarcasm>

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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 16, 2009 at 2:19 am

I'm with you!!! Where do I pick up the clipboard???

By the way, if we're to be successful, perhaps we need to get Kay involved(sorry, couldn't resist)...:):)

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Posted by Me
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 16, 2009 at 11:28 am

Lauph at that groups efforts if you wish -- but don't complain when Livermore Airport gets its new moniker LMO international. Ask the residents in the flight path of SJO. -- That 757 flying at low altitude doing its EFD (Excess Fuel Dump) at 10000000 Db in your backyard may be something you want in this community -- but not me.
Livermore Airport used to be located on the other side of thier city. They moved it so Ptown residents could share in the planned misery.

The FAA has extreme influence over airports that take funding. Keep your eyes open. Ask the residents of Concord about Bucannon Field.

Me I like the small craft and even an occassional modern private jet.
But I sure as he11 don't want a 737 taking off and landing in my backyard.

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 16, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Fear is the refuge of the ignorant.

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

BTW, that group deserves to be laughed at. If you've ever had the displeasure of interacting with one of their leaders, Wendy Weathers, you'll know what I'm talking about. Makes the NIMBYs in Pleasanton look normal.

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Posted by a reader
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 16, 2009 at 1:24 pm


The group may be laughable, but if the City of Livermore is proposing to bring in heavy jets (like Boeing 737), then I think most residents would be opposed.


I don't see anything in that link that about bringing in big jets. The longer runway is still way too short for that, and it says "The current runway configuration would be retained".

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 16, 2009 at 1:36 pm

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That's exactly it. They're not proposing to bring in heavy jets. No one is. Most heavy jets would not even be able to safely land at that airport. It's all been fear and loathing by a small group of people who just don't want the airport there at all and who bought their homes knowing full well there was an airport there.

The original plan was to update the outdated master plan. Part of that was to bring in a fixed base operator to take over things like fuel sales (the City of Livermore should really get out of the fuel sales business), build hangars for local plane owners (they could be your neighbors even) who have been on a waiting list for over 25 years; secured with a deposit, and put in safety improvements on the current runways.

I really wish now I kept all the documents I had on this subject from waaay back when, when LACG first formed. For now, here's a site of an opposition (to LACG) group that tries to clarify some of the baloney coming out of LACG: Web Link

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 16, 2009 at 1:40 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

"Can Livermore be used to host a commercial package hub by companies such as FedEx/UPS/DHL, etc.?

Short answer - No!

The prospect of someone like FedEx using Livermore airport as a regional distribution hub has been a frequent and scary story used by LACG to frighten the local residents. That they continue to tell this fabrication after it has been soundly refuted is yet another testament to their fundamental dishonesty.

LACG refuses accept that,

...there is no economic model that supports it and numerous physical barriers that would prevent Livermore from becoming a regional package distribution hub.

FedEx is currently the world's largest operator of the A310, 727, DC-10 and MD-11 aircraft. A more complete breakdown of their fleet (from Wikipedia) is provided to the right. Furthermore, FedEx has orders and options on another thirty Boeing 777 Freighters.

It would be physically impossible to land any of these large aircraft at Livermore. A fully-fueled and loaded DC-10 weighs over 430,000 lbs and requires a runway length of over 8,600 feet. The even larger Boeing 777 freighter exceeds 750,000 lbs and probably requires a 10,000+ foot runway. (Note that Livermore's longest runway is just over 5000 feet and has a pavement strength of only 60,000 lbs/double wheel landing gear).

Of the entire FedEx fleet - about the only aircraft that can operate from Livermore would be the smaller Cessna 208 Caravans (8,000 lbs), the Fokker F27s (43,000 lbs), or the smaller ATR-42s (41,000 lbs). Given these aircraft's extremely limited capacity and the thousands of dollars per hour to operate them, LACG is delusional if they think that someone like FedEx would even consider flying packages from Livermore to ther primary distribution hub in Oakland when that same trip could be accomplished in almost the same amount of time using a semi-truck that probably costs them less than $100 for the trip. "

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