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Democrat-led Congress' Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare - CONFIRMED

Original post made by !, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Oct 8, 2009

Has anyone probed McNerney on this?

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Leaders in the House and Senate have a plan to pass President Barack Obama’s sweeping health care plan by THANKSGIVING without any significant participation by the American public. CNS News has confirmed the details in our September 22nd titled “Passing a Shell of A Bill: Congress’ Secret Plan to Ram Through Health Care Reform.” Nicholas Ballasy reports “a senior aide to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) told that it is ‘likely’ that Reid will use H.R. 1586—a bill passed by the House in March to impose a 90-percent tax on bonuses paid to employees of certain bailed-out financial institutions—as a ‘shell’ for enacting the final version of the Senate’s health care bill, which Reid is responsible for crafting.”

This story confirms the four part scenario (below)

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Posted by Rita
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 8, 2009 at 8:08 am

I sure hope that they use whatever means necessary to get it to pass for several selfish reasons I have. First, I am soon to lose my job because of the economy and my husband and I could retire if it were not for the cost of healthcare so if they can pass the public option I will go for it immediately. Secondly, my son and daughter in law just had a baby and even though they pay over 300 per month for coverage they still had to pay 1000 to leave the hospital for items not covered so they would drop their coverage and go for the public option as well so at this point I do not care how they pass it as long as it does pass. I have a question though. Since they are not going to address tort reform say something happens and the physican is part of the public option. Does the patient sue the govenment for the malpractice?

My other question pertains to Nancy Pelosi. what in the world is she doing with her mouth? She is constantly messing with her lips and teeth and looks like she is chewing cud but I cannot figure out if she has lipstick stuck on her teeth, her lips hurt, she is nervous, it is a habit, or she has had way to much nip and tuck???

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Posted by Annon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 8, 2009 at 8:25 am

This article is very misleading.

The health care bills have been debated openly and publicly for months now. Make your criticism on policy, not straw-man intentionally vague procedural claims.

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Posted by Me
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 8, 2009 at 9:25 am

If the bill was being snuck in, don't you think it would resemble the original proposals a lot more. Wouldn't the GOP and moderate dems be blocking it.

Isn't it funny when a poster one week says they are against something and the following week says that 'that something' is a secret?
How can you oppose a secret bill? Would you know it existed?

Reminds me of whe the Tea Party folks were screaming read the bill, read the bill, when the bill had not yet come out of commitee. Just a bunch of noise.

Too much cool aid! It must be a conspiracy, break out the tin foil hats!

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Posted by JimF01
a resident of another community
on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:28 am

This article is not misleading, numerous other sources confirm the process described is already in motion.
Rita - This bill will not help you and your family. If you read up on the Dem proposals, none of the benefits, public option, co-op, or whatever you want to call it, go into effect until 2013.
Now, what does go into effect is the new taxes included in the bill.
Actually, we cannot even call it a bill. CBO issued a scoring yesterday, it is an estimate of a draft bill. So they are guessing at the cost of what others are guessing will be in the bill.
You heard on the "news" that the Baucus bill is going to reduce the deficit, it is fully paid for. What they didn't tell you is that new taxes are going to pay for it, here are four new taxes included: net revenues from the excise tax on high-premium insurance plans, totaling $201 billion; penalty payments by uninsured individuals, which would amount to $4 billion; penalty payments by employers whose workers received subsidies via the exchanges, which would total $23 billion.
Along with "savings" from Medicare and Medicaid, billions and billions of fraud, waste and abuse that the Congress has failed to uncover up to now will be discovered and corrected and this will pay for health care for all. Well, the CBO stated this in the scoring estimate released yesterday:
The Chairman’s mark, as amended, has not yet been converted into legislative language. The review of such language could lead to significant changes in the estimates of the proposal’s effects on the federal budget and insurance coverage.
Now this bill (that isn't yet a bill) is going to be health care reform that also is going to provide healthcare for only about half of the alleged 46 million uninsured:
By 2019, CBO and JCT estimate, the number of non-elderly people who are uninsured would be reduced by about 29 million, leaving about 25 million nonelderly residents uninsured (about one-third of whom would be unauthorized immigrants).

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Posted by Annon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:43 am

I believe that ! and Jim are the SAME person!

The Foundry Article:

"Leaders in the House and Senate have a plan to pass President Barack Obama’s sweeping health care plan by Thanksgiving without any significant participation by the American public."

New York Times: (And over 100 news sources including Fox)

"The report cleared the way for the Finance Committee chairman, Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, to push for a panel vote. It also set the stage for Democrats to take legislation to the floor for debate by the full Senate this month."

The "public IS represented by theor elected officials. The Bill IS posted on the internet.

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Posted by !
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:51 am

JimF and I share the same or similar political mindset, however I believe he is more articulate than I am. But thank you for the compliment.

Since you believe the Bill is posted on the internet, why didn't you provide a link. Whatever link you provide will link to an inaccurate source because JimF is right. There is no final draft bill yet. The CBO figures are bogus because there is no bill. Obama has mugged the CBO official based on his last report that Obamacare will result in a huge negative ROI.

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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Oct 8, 2009 at 10:59 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

To avoid accusations of impersonating punctuation, I will login before submitting my comments. Bang and I are not the same person. But of course, we do take marching orders from the same vast right wing conspiracy.

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Posted by Rita
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 8, 2009 at 11:04 am

Interesting in a way but I checked or searched on the internet for the bill but could not find it. I call Dianne Feinsteins office and inquired if it was and was told no it was not on the net and they said they were unsure if it were going to be on the internet until after the vote.

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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Oct 8, 2009 at 11:08 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

Besides, I would never ask a silly question like "Has anyone probed McNerney on this?" Not faulting the asker, but when I receive email from McNerney's campaign saying "Fighting for health care reform is now at the top of my list", and after he refused calls for a townhall meeting all summer long McNerney's mind is made up. Just couldn't find time in his tight schedule I guess to maybe, I don't know, take constituent input in person?
Oh, but he did, I got a tweet the other day, 10 minutes before he was allegedly appearing at a local library for 2 hours. Nothing announcing this was posted at his website or in the PW. Missed my shot at giving Jerry a piece of my mind. Lord knows I don't have too many pieces left to give.

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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Oct 8, 2009 at 11:14 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

The only thing released on the internet is what the finance committee voted on, which is a Chairman's mark. The controversy over this erupted in the Senate:
A proposal by Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., that would have required the Senate Finance Committee to post the final language of the $900 billion health care reform bill, as well as a Congressional Budget Office cost analysis, on the committee’s website for 72 hours prior to a vote was rejected 12-11.
Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., himself admitted that “This probably sounds a little crazy to some people that we are voting on something before we have seen legislative language.” Baucus’ excuse – that it would take his committee staff two weeks to post the bill online – sounds a little crazy too. Finance Committee members are the only ones who vote based on the “plain English” version of a bill, not the legally-binding language.

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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 8, 2009 at 12:13 pm

As for health care reform, any plan that passes without a public option, yet requires every individual and family to have health insurance, and subsidizes those who cannot afford the premiums, is a multi-billion dollar gift for the insurance cartel - proving that those politicians who have accepted insurance lobby money have been well-paid for their services.

Any health care reform that fines by taxation those individuals or families who do not qualify for a subsidy, yet still cannot afford health care premiums (c'mon, a family of 4 living on $66,000 per year is not living in the lap of luxury!) is not health care reform, does not help the economy, and certainly provides no medical support for that individual or family.

Any health care reform that fines by taxation individuals or families who have had the good fortune to work/have worked for a company that provided excellent health care packages, is one more
financial burden on the disappearing middle class.

We need health care reform that forces the insurance cartel to provide good insurance coverage at affordable cost, to cover procedures a doctor feels is reasonable and necessary, does not allow them to discard those who actually get sick or refuse to cover anyone with a "pre-existing" condition. Now that would be reform.

Regarding a really high tax on bonuses paid to employees of bailed out financial institutions - I find I don't have any sympathy for those institutions or their employees who took our money and then refused to tell the Treasury what they did with it. Go Harry!

and then there's Rita,
Rita, I find your posts in this thread very curious. For you to say that "if they can pass the public option I will go for it immediately" is quite interesting, especially since you have been very clear about your negative opinion regarding, to quote you, the "Socialist in Chief", a man who "hate the united states and will stop at nothing to see its destruction". I guess when it's your back against the wall, some "socialism" isn't so bad after all . . .

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