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Opinion - March 15, 2019

Guest Opinion: What can Pleasanton do about climate change?

by Matt Sullivan

The world's leading scientists are calling on us to finally heed the warnings about the climate catastrophe that we're running full speed into: that we have a very few years to act decisively to prevent the worst impacts of climate change to current and future generations that imperil not just the human species, but all life on the planet.

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Editor's note: Matt Sullivan served on the Pleasanton City Council from 2004 to 2012 and is a former Pleasanton Planning Commission member.

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5 people like this
Posted by Ben Johansen
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 6, 2019 at 7:15 pm

'limits to growth -- both in the physical realm and in the economy'...and he spills the beans; what the whole intention and purpose of the original global warming founders in Europe envisioned. Anti-capitalist and de-growth whackos spreading misinformation, lies and working to redistribute wealth.
Thanks for finally admitting it.


14 people like this
Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Apr 6, 2019 at 8:18 pm

DKHSK is a registered user.

"What can Pleasanton do about climate change?"

Here's the answer:

NOTHING! Not a G-D thing can be done because it is nature and you cannot tame nature.

And don't tell me its man-made because you have MAN-MADE models to account for anything, and they aren't reverse compatible so they're inaccurate.

So sick of this.


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Posted by Doug
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 7, 2019 at 8:35 am

“NOTHING! Not a G-D thing can be done because it is nature and you cannot tame nature.”

You are aware that the destruction of the earth’s ozone layer by chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), halons, and other manmade ozone destroying chemicals was halted because of international agreements and bans on the production and use of such chemicals, aren’t you? Or do you not consider the earth’s atmosphere including its ozone layer to be a part of “nature”?

The earth’s ozone layer is of great importance to mankind and the rest of life on earth because it blocks about 99% of the harmful higher frequency ultraviolet light from the sun (UV-B radiation). The international cooperation which led to the halting of the destruction of the earth’s ozone layer can be viewed as a model for how we can combat the problem of manmade global warming through strong concerted international action.


9 people like this
Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 7, 2019 at 9:59 am

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@Matt Sullivan,

Using climate change as an excuse for NIMBYISM makes no sense. People are going to live somewhere. If we don't build housing in Pleasanton, they'll just live somewhere else.

If we build more high density near public transportation, that helps reduce greenhouse gas emissions. If we "limit" that growth, we do more harm than good.


6 people like this
Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Apr 7, 2019 at 4:21 pm

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Yeah yeah Doug...we've been hearing from you doomsayers for decades.

"Catastophe is always just a decade away..." they always say every 10 years.

Remember when scientists were claiming there'd be no snow and the oceans would rise killing millions by this point in time?

I do.

Go peddle your bs somewhere else.


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Posted by Doug
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 7, 2019 at 5:18 pm

@DKHSK :”Remember when scientists were claiming there'd be no snow and the oceans would rise killing millions by this point in time?”

No. As a physicist, I have some familiarity with scientific trends even outside my specialty area but I’m not aware that there was ever any popular belief among scientists that there would be no snow at all and millions of deaths due to ocean rising by now. In what peer-reviewed scientific journals did you read this?


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Apr 7, 2019 at 7:54 pm

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Matt is manipulating a real concern for a personal agenda, its a shame.

Human impact on the environment is a real thing, we are very good at wiping out a resource.

We absolutely should be conscious and purposeful in our policies about the environment and how we interact/impact it. This is an area government should be in to set mandates and requirements.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Apr 7, 2019 at 10:15 pm

DKHSK is a registered user.

Failed predictions:

Web Link

Have at it, Mr. Physicist.


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Posted by Doug
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 7, 2019 at 11:10 pm

@DKHSK

No, I asked you a simple question: "In what peer-reviewed scientific journals did you read this?" (the word "this" referring to your fantastic claim that scientists as a group said that there would be no more snow and millions of deaths due to rising oceans by now). Did you answer my very simple question? No. Instead you offered me some unidentified web link (almost certainly a climate denial blog) which I'm not going to click on.

If you're incapable of answering simple, direct questions or articulating a defense of your own views on climate science in your own words, then all that you've convinced me of is that you have no real, independently thought out views of your own on this subject but that you are merely parroting the views of various climate denial blogs.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Apr 8, 2019 at 7:13 am

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"The international cooperation which led to the halting of the destruction of the earth’s ozone layer can be viewed as a model for how we can combat the problem of manmade global warming through strong concerted international action."

The "Green New Deal" which is being offered to address this issue is not about "cooperation". It's about government force to micromanage the economy - and it will put millions of out work/cost the taxpayers trillions of dollars. I doubt leaders of other developing nations will want to deliberately do the same to their own citizens just to please leaders of environmental groups.


11 people like this
Posted by Doug
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 8, 2019 at 7:38 am

@MichaelB

I’m not defending the “Green New Deal”. As you probably know, the Green New Deal has been strongly criticized by many on all sides, both Republicans and Democrats.

I’ve been just focusing here on forum comments that are outright denials that manmade climate warming even exists, since the very first step in dealing with a problem is recognizing that there is a problem. Unfortunately, too many Americans are not even at that point yet.


4 people like this
Posted by Newbie
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 8, 2019 at 10:03 am

I see in the newspaper that we have a NEW CALAMITY to worry about. They said we now have an EARTHQUAKE DROUGHT! Now that we have plenty of water, we need a new worry!


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Apr 8, 2019 at 1:57 pm

Grumpy is a registered user.

Doug, the good news is that no one is actually debating your points. Rather, they're sidestepping to raise their own different point and talking past you. (You say peer review, :someone sends a blog. You say climate change, someone brings up the Green New Deal.) It's a strange form of good news, but it means you needn't work so hard since they probably won't care what you say, or even try to understand it.

As go Matt's point, though, I think he might be saying something most people here missed, except for BobB. And I want to defend what I think Matt's point is, or ought to be.

The Tri Valley Area is the last place an environmentalist should want developed into housing. Everything built here is 40 miles or more from most work centers, and with freeways and mass transit already congested, each additional house here only adds to the pollution. And bear in mind that the climate here leads to inversions that trap smog. We already had a huge number of Spare the Air days. We don't need more housing here.

Where it is needed is in SF. Instead of Mission Bay being a luxury neighborhood, it should have been developed for mass housing. So I do actually see this as a case of SF NIMBYism. They want the Warriors, not stack and pack affordable housing. That's why they are targeting exurban areas, which have far less political importance and thus can be burdened with housing their workers, environment be damned.



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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Apr 8, 2019 at 5:53 pm

DKHSK is a registered user.

Grumpy,

Talk to the full democrat senate caucus about the "Green New Deal" and let's see what they have to say about "Climate Change"

They had a chance to put up or shut up about their convictions and they voted PRESENT.

LOL!

It's a grift and they all know it.


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Posted by Ben J.
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 8, 2019 at 8:20 pm

Ben J. is a registered user.

Dougs words not mine...
'manmade global warming'
'climate denial blogs'
And he talks about people 'parroting'. Look in the mirror pal.
Prove your manmade climate change fantasy. You can't. You'll cite a peer reviewed report as proof, but will not cite a peer reviewed report that can dispute it, as proof. For every scientist paid to cite man made climate change, there are equally as a many not paid to dispute the lies spewed by the anti-capitalists and de-growthers.


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Apr 8, 2019 at 8:59 pm

Grumpy is a registered user.

Dan, what are you talking about? Are you referring to McConnell's show votes on his own versions of what he thinks a Green New Deal looks like? Because that's deep inside baseball, and only very few people actually follow those sorts of things. The fact you know about them makes me wonder if you are either a senatophile or wonk.

That being said, the votes don't mean anything since there is no Democratic bill. No one really knows yet what should be in a "Green New Deal". Some policies are bound to make a lot of sense. Some are bound to be looney tunes. It's early, and right now the more experienced people aren't talking much about it, leaving it to the freshmen House reps mostly and to people's imaginations.

We need to make changes. There are a lot of changes that can be made, to help slow the destruction to the environment. And there are many changes that will also protect industry and not require stupidity like eliminating straws. I can't tell if the Democratic Party is going to find a good policy set. The last big bill they passed was to borrow twenty years of GOP think tank design to write Obamacare, which suffers from not being robust enough a marketplace and Tom subject to political interference. This time, with that having been turned on them so much, they probably will overreact by becoming extreme. But I can't tell. I don't know what the Green New Deal will be. Or if it will even use that name.


2 people like this
Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Apr 9, 2019 at 11:07 am

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"The fact you know about them makes me wonder if you are either a senatophile or wonk."

I'm neither of those two things. I'm informed.

"That being said, the votes don't mean anything since there is no Democratic bill."

Ah, so they didn't vote on their own platform because of politics. Gotcha.

Seems to me if they all bought into Alexandria Ocasio's Green New Deal, and they did, they should have voted on the bill since it was based wholly on her plan.

They didn't...they're hypocrites and they know it would be the death of the US and their careers, but mostly their careers, if they did.


4 people like this
Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Apr 9, 2019 at 7:11 pm

Grumpy is a registered user.

No Dan. They didn't vote on the bill because it *wasn't* their platform. It was Mitch McConnell's strawman. Why would a Democrat vote on a GOP authored bill that doesn't reflect their beliefs?

That's the problem. You can't force other people to do what you want them to do. They have the option of saying "I do not consent to your attempt to control me". That's precisely what happened with those votes. And I'll point out that it is a value you yourself hold in great esteem. You don't want Democrats to control you. And they don't want the GOP to control them. You're the same.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Apr 9, 2019 at 8:42 pm

DKHSK is a registered user.

I have one word for you Grumpy: Bull!

Now I have more.

Those Senators came out and endorsed the same policy that the house freshman Cortez had just 'laid' on the American citizenry.

They were given a choice to vote yea or nay on what they supported and instead, voted "PRESENT".

This was politics. This wasn't doing what they say they believed.

If you want to be lied to OR if you want to uphold a lie, that's your prerogative. Just don't expect people like me to do the same or to take you seriously.

How's that for "wonky"?



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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Apr 10, 2019 at 3:41 pm

Grumpy is a registered user.

Dan, the bill was not authored by a Democrat, sponsored by a Democrat, or contained in any Democrat's opinion the proposals they want to make. So they didn't vote for it.

It is merely your opinion, and an incorrect one at that, that these bills were what AOC supported.

Look, I am highly skeptical of a Green New Deal myself. But I'm not so gullible as to think that McConnel's bills were authored by Democrats or contain what Democrats wanted. It was clearly a political game, and an old one, a play action pass, so routine that it hasn't been called a trick play for a long time. You should know that, so why are you falling for it?


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Apr 10, 2019 at 3:49 pm

DKHSK is a registered user.

Grumpy,

The Democrats were given the option of voting for the Green policies that they've been scare-mongering the public with since Al Gore and his infamous 13-year death spiral predictions.

They punted and voted present.

To sit here and tell me that they would have voted for those same policies if a Democrat had brought them to the floor proves my point.

Its all politics. They don't believe in "global warming" any more than the average person.

Case closed.


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