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As rioters storm the U.S. Capitol, local Reps. DeSaulnier and Swalwell escape unharmed

Pro-Trump rally turns into riot as thousands breach Capitol building

Local U.S. Reps. Eric Swalwell (D-Livermore) and Mark DeSaulnier (D-Concord) were among hundreds of legislators forced to flee the House floor on Wednesday as thousands of rioters supporting President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

Local U.S. Reps. Mark DeSaulnier (left) and Eric Swalwell (right) fled the House floor on Wednesday as thousands of rioters stormed the building. (File photos)

Both Tri-Valley congressmen were whisked away to an undisclosed location after the mob quickly overwhelmed Capitol Police and stormed the Capitol building, postponing congressional certification of the Nov. 3 presidential election.

DeSaulnier and Swalwell have since released statements reassuring constituents that they are unharmed and have condemned the assault on the Capitol.

"Thank you to everyone who has checked in. I am safe and my staff are safe. I'm grateful to the men and women of the Capitol Police," Swalwell said on Twitter. "Terrorists will not stop democracy. (Joe Biden) is going to be the next president. Soon, Congress will resume its duty of certifying the election."

In an earlier Tweet, Swalwell called on his fellow members of congress to condemn the assault, saying: "As Representatives, we swear on oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Any elected official who does not denounce this full frontal assault on our democracy is assisting a coup attempt on the Capitol."

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"I wasn't too concerned until I could hear angry voices, some scuffling and then people running by trying the doors which were locked. At that point I realized, quite incredibly, that this mob had gotten to this sanctum sanctorum," said DeSaulnier, who was locked in an office during the assault. "It was not a good day for American democracy. Imagine what other countries see when they look at this Capitol."

Protesters against the election of Biden as president entered the Capitol on Wednesday morning as both houses of Congress met to certify the Electoral College votes, according to multiple media reports. Trump had spoken to his followers earlier in the day at a rally and told them to march to the Capitol to protest the election results, which he has claimed against all evidence was fraudulent.

One woman has reportedly died after being shot inside the building, several law enforcement officials told The Washington Post.

The National Guard has been ordered to assemble and help restore order, according to news reports, which said the request was made by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco.

Pelosi tweeted at about 1 p.m. that she and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer are jointly calling on Trump "to demand that all protestors leave the U.S. Capitol and Capitol grounds immediately."

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In a televised address, Biden also told Trump to step up and call off the violence.

"Let me be clear: the scenes of chaos at the Capitol do not represent who we are. What we are seeing is a small number of extremists dedicated to lawlessness. This is not dissent, it's disorder. It borders on sedition, and it must end. Now," he said.

He also took his demand to Twitter. "I call on President Trump to go on national television now to fulfill his oath and defend the Constitution by demanding an end to this siege," he wrote.

At about 1:30 p.m. Trump went on television and told people to go home. He insisted, however, repeatedly, that the election was stolen.

Gov. Gavin Newsom said what was being witnessed in the Capitol was reprehensible and "an outright assault to our democratic institutions."

"The people of California have spoken, and our congressional delegation should never have to fear for their lives to represent Californians," he said in a statement.

Following statements made by DeSaulnier and Swalwell, local Assemblywoman Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D-Orinda) has also condemned the assault, saying "Today is an incredibly sad day for America. To see our Capitol and our Democracy under siege by rioters and lawmakers who seek to undermine our constitution is horrifying."

"Worse yet, they have been spurred on by President Trump, who continues to incite violence and insurrection with his lies and wild conspiracy theories. He has no regard for our constitution, or our free and fair elections, and I for one cannot wait for Jan. 20. I once again urge calm and a peaceful transition of power," she added.

State Senator Steve Glazer (D-Orinda) praised law enforcement for their efforts to protect officials, but did say security missteps were evident after the mob was able to flood the Capitol building.

"Praise to law enforcement who stepped into the void to protect our Capitol but the breakdown in security at the perimeter was an embarrassment. There needs to be accountability for the lawbreakers and the security missteps," Glazer said on Twitter.

Speaking on behalf of the other side of the aisle, Contra Costa County Republican Party Chairman Matt Shupe issued a statement condemning the mobs' actions as "completely unacceptable, hypocritical and antithetical to the principles of the United States, our Constitution and the Republican Party."

"I am deeply embarrassed for our nation today," he said. "You cannot say you support law and order in one breath and then act this way the next. It is outrageous and must stop."

A number of local leaders shared their thoughts on the mob, such as former two-term California assemblywoman Catharine Baker who simply Tweeted "Completely and totally disgusting. Despicable."

Vice Mayor of San Ramon Sabina Zafar also condemned the day, tweeting "This is a tragic day for our country."

"More than anything, we need a UNITED States of America right now! What's happening on Capitol Hill is just wrong. #respectthevote," she added.

Editor's note: The situation in D.C. still remains very fluid. The Weekly story will be updated as more information and local reactions become available. For continuing coverage, follow your preferred national news outlet.

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As rioters storm the U.S. Capitol, local Reps. DeSaulnier and Swalwell escape unharmed

Pro-Trump rally turns into riot as thousands breach Capitol building

by / Pleasanton Weekly

Uploaded: Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 4:36 pm
Updated: Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 7:41 pm

Local U.S. Reps. Eric Swalwell (D-Livermore) and Mark DeSaulnier (D-Concord) were among hundreds of legislators forced to flee the House floor on Wednesday as thousands of rioters supporting President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

Both Tri-Valley congressmen were whisked away to an undisclosed location after the mob quickly overwhelmed Capitol Police and stormed the Capitol building, postponing congressional certification of the Nov. 3 presidential election.

DeSaulnier and Swalwell have since released statements reassuring constituents that they are unharmed and have condemned the assault on the Capitol.

"Thank you to everyone who has checked in. I am safe and my staff are safe. I'm grateful to the men and women of the Capitol Police," Swalwell said on Twitter. "Terrorists will not stop democracy. (Joe Biden) is going to be the next president. Soon, Congress will resume its duty of certifying the election."

In an earlier Tweet, Swalwell called on his fellow members of congress to condemn the assault, saying: "As Representatives, we swear on oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Any elected official who does not denounce this full frontal assault on our democracy is assisting a coup attempt on the Capitol."

"I wasn't too concerned until I could hear angry voices, some scuffling and then people running by trying the doors which were locked. At that point I realized, quite incredibly, that this mob had gotten to this sanctum sanctorum," said DeSaulnier, who was locked in an office during the assault. "It was not a good day for American democracy. Imagine what other countries see when they look at this Capitol."

Protesters against the election of Biden as president entered the Capitol on Wednesday morning as both houses of Congress met to certify the Electoral College votes, according to multiple media reports. Trump had spoken to his followers earlier in the day at a rally and told them to march to the Capitol to protest the election results, which he has claimed against all evidence was fraudulent.

One woman has reportedly died after being shot inside the building, several law enforcement officials told The Washington Post.

The National Guard has been ordered to assemble and help restore order, according to news reports, which said the request was made by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco.

Pelosi tweeted at about 1 p.m. that she and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer are jointly calling on Trump "to demand that all protestors leave the U.S. Capitol and Capitol grounds immediately."

In a televised address, Biden also told Trump to step up and call off the violence.

"Let me be clear: the scenes of chaos at the Capitol do not represent who we are. What we are seeing is a small number of extremists dedicated to lawlessness. This is not dissent, it's disorder. It borders on sedition, and it must end. Now," he said.

He also took his demand to Twitter. "I call on President Trump to go on national television now to fulfill his oath and defend the Constitution by demanding an end to this siege," he wrote.

At about 1:30 p.m. Trump went on television and told people to go home. He insisted, however, repeatedly, that the election was stolen.

Gov. Gavin Newsom said what was being witnessed in the Capitol was reprehensible and "an outright assault to our democratic institutions."

"The people of California have spoken, and our congressional delegation should never have to fear for their lives to represent Californians," he said in a statement.

Following statements made by DeSaulnier and Swalwell, local Assemblywoman Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D-Orinda) has also condemned the assault, saying "Today is an incredibly sad day for America. To see our Capitol and our Democracy under siege by rioters and lawmakers who seek to undermine our constitution is horrifying."

"Worse yet, they have been spurred on by President Trump, who continues to incite violence and insurrection with his lies and wild conspiracy theories. He has no regard for our constitution, or our free and fair elections, and I for one cannot wait for Jan. 20. I once again urge calm and a peaceful transition of power," she added.

State Senator Steve Glazer (D-Orinda) praised law enforcement for their efforts to protect officials, but did say security missteps were evident after the mob was able to flood the Capitol building.

"Praise to law enforcement who stepped into the void to protect our Capitol but the breakdown in security at the perimeter was an embarrassment. There needs to be accountability for the lawbreakers and the security missteps," Glazer said on Twitter.

Speaking on behalf of the other side of the aisle, Contra Costa County Republican Party Chairman Matt Shupe issued a statement condemning the mobs' actions as "completely unacceptable, hypocritical and antithetical to the principles of the United States, our Constitution and the Republican Party."

"I am deeply embarrassed for our nation today," he said. "You cannot say you support law and order in one breath and then act this way the next. It is outrageous and must stop."

A number of local leaders shared their thoughts on the mob, such as former two-term California assemblywoman Catharine Baker who simply Tweeted "Completely and totally disgusting. Despicable."

Vice Mayor of San Ramon Sabina Zafar also condemned the day, tweeting "This is a tragic day for our country."

"More than anything, we need a UNITED States of America right now! What's happening on Capitol Hill is just wrong. #respectthevote," she added.

Editor's note: The situation in D.C. still remains very fluid. The Weekly story will be updated as more information and local reactions become available. For continuing coverage, follow your preferred national news outlet.

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James Michael
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Val Vista
on Jan 6, 2021 at 5:51 pm
James Michael, Val Vista
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on Jan 6, 2021 at 5:51 pm
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I'm so glad that Swalwell is safe. Where did they take him...to the Chinese Embassy?


Rich Buckley
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 5:25 am
Rich Buckley, Livermore
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Exit stage left, enter stage right (link removed because of questionable source)

Pray for the US Constitutional Republic.


MichaelB
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 7:02 am
MichaelB, Pleasanton Meadows
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"Following statements made by DeSaulnier and Swalwell, local Assemblywoman Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D-Orinda) has also condemned the assault, saying "Today is an incredibly sad day for America. To see our Capitol and our Democracy under siege by rioters and lawmakers who seek to undermine our constitution is horrifying.""

Spare me yet another "progressive" politician complaining about the Constitution supposedly being "undermined". They have given up on the limited government/personal freedom model that our nation was founded on and stands for. It's apparently not "horrifying" at all when Bauer-Kahan regularly tries to undermine the 2nd Amendment in this state by rubber stamping any firearms restriction/ban proposed (that simply criminals ignore) - and then calling it "common sense" or "gun safety" afterward.


Grumpy
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 8:20 am
Grumpy, Vineyard Avenue
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The insurrectionists—George W Bush’s, McConnell’s, Romney’s words—storm the Capitol to commit treason and try to disrupt the operation of our government, a woman is dead, and yet you mock politicians who had to be rushed to safety because you don’t agree with their politics?

Disgusting. This isn’t a college football rivalry. This is real. Stop being part of the problem.


MichaelB
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Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 7, 2021 at 8:46 am
MichaelB, Pleasanton Meadows
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"Disgusting. This isn’t a college football rivalry. This is real. Stop being part of the problem."


Violence from anyone is unacceptable. Part of the problem are the double standards from the media and political left as it relates to violent demonstrations.

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Michael Austin
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 9:00 am
Michael Austin , Pleasanton Meadows
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The capitol police shot and killed an unarmed white female protester. If this was a female of color, the ramifications would be much different this morning.


James Michael
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 9:15 am
James Michael, Val Vista
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Understand this...corporate media caused this with their bias. They wanted a civil war, they got a civil war and now they are outraged. All summer long we saw riots, looting, businesses burned to the ground and attacks on Federal Courts and buildings by "peaceful demonstrators". And now they are outraged after four years of constant attacks on our own president they are finally outraged. Wake up, America...China is taking us down without even firing a shot.


Rider
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 11:25 am
Rider, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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I can't believe there are still people who support Trump. Time to move on. It was a free and fair election and Trump lost. The people have spoken and clearly said the politics of fear, hate and division have no place in America. The best thing that Trump could do now for America is to resign and the best thing for Trump supports to do now is ask themselves why they are so full of hatred.


Rider
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 12:38 pm
Rider, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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MichaelB: I think you are getting your priorities mixed up. You seem to think that the debate about gun rights is more important than an assault on our democracy. Trump has taken advantage of people like you. He got you so riled up about this one subject that you fail to see the big picture. First, those liberals that you hate some much are just trying keep Americans safe and balance your right to own a gun with the rights of innocent American to not shot. You agree no innocent American should get shot by a gun, but Trump doesn't care that. He only cares that you hate those liberals so much that you will support him no matter what he does, including attempting to overthrow a democratically elected president.


Pleasanton Parent
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 1:12 pm
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
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So much to unwind here.

I think everyone agrees yesterday's attack was wrong, illegal, and people should be punished accordingly. You want to protest - sure, go for it. For myself, I see similarities in many of the BLM protests as well - sorry, not all agree, and I am disappointed in the actions of the president and president elect in playing down the "wrongness" of ea relative to the message they were meant to support. Wrong is wrong.

While I don't agree with Pelosi or Swalwell or Trump on many things, violence or vandalism against them is not ok.

The people need to take politics back - we are more aligned in the middle, but we are continuously fed extreme positions forcing us to take sides. Pelosi and McConnell need to lead the charge back to the middle.

This should be a wake up call, but instead its being used to further polarize.



MichaelB
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 1:17 pm
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"MichaelB: I think you are getting your priorities mixed up. You seem to think that the debate about gun rights is more important than an assault on our democracy. Trump has taken advantage of people like you. He got you so riled up about this one subject that you fail to see the big picture. First, those liberals that you hate some much are just trying keep Americans safe and balance your right to own a gun with the rights of innocent American to not shot. "


I think you are not getting it on the gun issue (which is a larger part of the personal freedoms/rights debate). Liberals do not want "balance", they do not think there is a right to own guns, and they do not want citizens owning them at all. They have nothing but praise for other governments/nations that have already confiscated guns from their own citizens. The fact that politicians like Bauer-Kahan keeps voting for more gun regulations/bans in a state with some of the strictest in the nation speaks for itself. There's never going to be enough - and the criminals just ignore them. Trump wants those who abuse guns punished while preserving choices and rights of the law abiding. Liberals treat criminals like victims and blame society (guns, law abiding owners, gun manufacturers, etc.) for their actions.

You are not seeing the big picture. So called progressives hate the Constitution because it gets in their way and want bigger government/less freedom - for all. Sounds you are being taken advantage of by buying into to the message of them wanting to "help", to be "fair", "save the planet", etc. The "assault on democracy" is them wanting more control over people's lives because they think they know what's best. Well, they don't. Their policies surrender national sovereignty, encourage taxpayer dependency, and promote irresponsible, lawless behaviors.


MichaelB
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Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 7, 2021 at 1:34 pm
MichaelB, Pleasanton Meadows
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"The people need to take politics back - we are more aligned in the middle, but we are continuously fed extreme positions forcing us to take sides. Pelosi and McConnell need to lead the charge back to the middle. "


Now that's funny. Pelosi to lead the charge "back to the middle". She's from San Francisco and moderate/middle of the road members are an endangered species in her party.


Pleasanton Parent
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Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 7, 2021 at 1:46 pm
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
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I don't like her either, and I generally align with what you wrote about some of the liberal philosophies - Pelosi's view of what "good and fair" looks like doesn't align with most people.....sh!t, she hasn't worked a real career a day in her life, she's completely disconnected from the people......especially those outside of politics and San Francisco. But I'm also not going to be ignorant to the influence she has over the Democratic party. If she sees this for what it is, she has the ability to influence the Democrats to a more moderate position (which I think most Americans want).


Hotslide
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Oak Tree Acres
on Jan 7, 2021 at 2:05 pm
Hotslide, Oak Tree Acres
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As rioters tore up urban areas, looted and burned businesses, and shot people, none of the Democrats came forward to condemn the actions. Pelosi stated that rioters "will do what they are going to do". Nothing to see. So just another protest of a "mostly peaceful demonstration" yesterday. So let's not get all huffy.


Billie
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 2:45 pm
Billie, Mohr Park
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"The capitol police shot and killed an unarmed white female protester. If this was a female of color, the ramifications would be much different this morning."

What "ramifications" would those be?

Brionna Taylor was murdered by police in her home, shot 8 times, in the middle of the night, after a wrongful forced invasion into her home. NOTHING was done for months after she was killed, until the George Floyd murder and protests. It wasn't until a couple days ago 2 of the the cops involved lost their jobs. Their union called the firings "unjustified". Their attorney says his client is "devastated at the way he's been treated by the department." boo hoo . . .

Ashli E. Babbitt was shot as she, and the rioting mob she was part of, illegally beat back the Capitol Police and invaded the Capitol building. She, and the mob she was with, stopped being a "protester" and became a criminal when she/they decided to break into the Capitol to rampage and loot.

I'm sorry there were any deaths yesterday. If Ms Babbitt had made a different choice and peacefully protested OUTSIDE the Capitol, she wouldn't have been in a position to be harmed. There's no way Trump would have used tear gas and bullets on his QAnon, Proud Boys, white supremacist, Trump-loving supporters hanging around outside the Capitol waving flags with his face on them. He was too busy cheering those so-called "patriots" on.

What should happen the the cop who shot her? Hey, maybe it's was like Trump said of the cops in the Jacob Blake killing (unarmed, shot in the back 7 times). “But they [cops] choke. Just like in a golf tournament. They miss a three-foot putt.” too bad, so sad . . .


Rider
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Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 7, 2021 at 3:41 pm
Rider, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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MichaelB: I understand you are passionate about gun rights. While I am not a gun owner, I've played around with guns in the past and had fun shooting cans, targets, clay pigeons, etc. I'm not a hunter, but understand that there are lots of hunters out there that enjoy hunting. You've done a very good job restating all the misinformation that Trump and his minions tell you in order to convince you those "progressives (that) hate the Constitution" will take away all your guns. But that is misinformation. They are not trying to take away your guns. They are just trying to regulate guns so they don't fall into the hands of crazy people who shoot up schools and criminals who use them to kill people. D0 you even know what the 2nd amendment says? It says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This can be interpreted to mean that the only people who truly have a right to bear arms are people who are in a well regulated militia, such a police, national guard, etc. So if you really what to uphold the constitution, why are you not concerned about the fact that the 2nd amendment has been interpreted to mean anyone can own a gun, even if they are not in a well regulated militia?


MichaelB
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on Jan 7, 2021 at 5:05 pm
MichaelB, Pleasanton Meadows
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"MichaelB: I understand you are passionate about gun rights. While I am not a gun owner, I've played around with guns in the past and had fun shooting cans, targets, clay pigeons, etc. I'm not a hunter, but understand that there are lots of hunters out there that enjoy hunting. You've done a very good job restating all the misinformation that Trump and his minions tell you in order to convince you those "progressives (that) hate the Constitution" will take away all your guns. But that is misinformation. They are not trying to take away your guns.They are just trying to regulate guns so they don't fall into the hands of crazy people who shoot up schools and criminals who use them to kill people."


How convenient. Anyone who opposes the political left is somehow being "manipulated".

It's not "misinformation" to point out that Democrats/progressives do want mandatory "buyback" programs for law abiding gun owners (not criminals). This lacks due process and solves nothing because these people have nothing to do with violence. It wasn't long ago that anyone suggesting the government was going to do something like this would have been a conspiracy theorist - and Trump didn't have to tell anyone about it.

It is also not necessary to publicly claim you want to "take away all guns" either. All that is required is regulate/restrict the ownership/usage to the point of becoming meaningless or prohibitive. Not letting gun shops operate, shutting down gun shows, prohibiting ammunition sales in stores, intrusive permitting processes as a condition of ownership, not authorizing anyone to carry them, etc. The "progressive" message being sent by all of this is clear despite the spin. There are "needs", not rights. Guns are a "cause" of violence, violators of gun laws are "victims" of not enough regulations, legal gun owners are "facilitators", and guns (legal or not) must be removed from society to reduce violence.

The Supreme Court has already ruled the 2nd Amendment is an individual right, not the "collective" militia one that the political left promotes to justify bans for the law abiding.


MichaelB
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Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 7, 2021 at 5:44 pm
MichaelB, Pleasanton Meadows
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"I can't believe there are still people who support Trump. Time to move on. It was a free and fair election and Trump lost. The people have spoken and clearly said the politics of fear, hate and division have no place in America. The best thing that Trump could do now for America is to resign and the best thing for Trump supports to do now is ask themselves why they are so full of hatred."


Hate and division have a place in America - with the political left. I guess everyone is supposed to forget about Obama who endlessly lectured us how business owners "didn't build that", the "1%" were making you worse off, the nation was "greedy", "racist", needed to be "fundamentally transformed", etc? I can't believe there are still people who think this guy who lacked management experience as a candidate supposedly "fixed" our economy - by making it more difficult to create jobs and mainstreaming the silly idea that government/taxpayer dependency was somehow "prosperity".


Billie
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on Jan 8, 2021 at 9:45 am
Billie, Mohr Park
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MichaelB,
Are you really trying to project, blame and compare, as Trump frequently does, Trump's 4 years of the "American carnage" he promised to Obama's 8 years of growth out of the "great recession"?

Well, I can't believe "everyone is supposed to forget" . . .
- that a self-proclaimed "genius" with a "very big brain" who considers himself "like, really smart," has driven 6 businesses into bankruptcy and is currently at least $420M in debt to unknown entities, would assuredly do, and has done, the same to our country.
- the "biggest", most "massive" 2017 Tax Cut and Jobs Act (TCJA) that Trump said was going to provide "tremendous" relief for the middle class was in fact, a gift to the wealthiest. Under the TCJA, 60 Fortune 500 companies paid *$0*, nada, zip, nothing, zilch in federal income taxes for 2018 . . . after making *billions* in record profits.
- how DHS & HHS did willfully and without thought of consequence, rip babies, toddlers, children and teenagers from their parents, and then traffick them under cover of night to hidden locations across the country. All without complete and appropriate documentation linking each and every child with their parent, because there was no intention to reunify families. Sanctioned human trafficking.
- the most corrupt cabinet & administration in recent history, filled with grifters, lobbyists, self-dealing, and incompetent fools: Scott Pruitt, Ryan Zinke, Tom Price, Sonny Perdue, Wilbur Ross, Betsy DeVos, and the list goes on and on. For those not afraid of a little truth with their morning coffee: Web Link
- self-dealing family grifters in positions of power. $500k on Secret Service golf carts; lodging revenue from his guards, retinue, government & military employees staying at Trump properties; Chinese trademarks for Ivanka; hawking Ivanka's products from the Oval Office; assigning Jared, who couldn't pass a security clearance, responsibility for, well, everything . . .
- big doners getting jobs and favors like the rollback of safe water protections for coal mine owners so they could dump their sludge into drinking water again, rescinding the ban on a brain damaging bug killer for Dow Chemical, putting a stop to Justice Department police reform agreements and actions for police union support.
- the guilty pleas, convictions and jail time of, well, just about all of Trump's "friends"; can't wait for Trump to pardon his kids and himself for their crimes.
- disastrous ignorance and handling around the so-called virus "hoax". 374,242 deaths and still climbing with record-high daily death tolls, while Trump has checked out to wait for what he called "herd mentality", and a slow, rocky rollout of the virus vaccine - 20,000,000 doses promised by EOY, only 5-6 million given so far.

Trump lies about everything, used the Justice Department to tackle his enemies hit list, has all but checked out of doing a job he claims he "won big" and wants, promotes QAnon as the next best thing, thinks there's not enough monuments to Confederate traitors, gave our Medal of Freedom to two Representatives involved in trying to overthrow the 2020 election, and just incited a riot where now 5 people have died, one being a Capitol Police officer.

"American carnage" indeed.


Rider
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on Jan 8, 2021 at 10:17 am
Rider, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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MichaelB: I'm glad to see you are toning down the misinformation. I think it suffice to say that progressive clearly want to regulate guns in a manner that ideally prevents criminal and crazies from getting their hands on guns and killing innocent people. The laws they support would also have to be constitutional, similar to how the right to free speech does not include advocating for violence and/or sedition. The only person in the US who can get away with advocating for violence and/or sedition without being charged with a crime is the President of the United States. Obviously, Trump has taken advantage of that immunity to incite hatred, division and now sedition.

Anyway, getting back to my original point, while you may be passionately opposed to any form of gun regulation, the misinformation you have been fed by the right that is fueling your hatred and division and making you blind to the fact that you are now supporting a president that is advocating sedition.


MichaelB
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on Jan 8, 2021 at 10:42 am
MichaelB, Pleasanton Meadows
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"MichaelB,
Are you really trying to project, blame and compare, as Trump frequently does, Trump's 4 years of the "American carnage" he promised to Obama's 8 years of growth out of the "great recession"?"


Are you trying to ignore the hate and division that came from the Obama Administration despite complaints from the left that their political opponents are "hateful"? Think it is not "divisive" we're being told the entire nation is now "systemically racist"? Trump isn't the one making this claim.

Obama's "growth" was one of the weakest we had coming out of a recession because of his misguided policies. Higher taxes, more regulations, a health care coverage mandate, etc. makes it more difficult to start a business, create jobs, and promote economic growth. If you were paying attention, Obama's "economic" plan was a zero sum game ("spread the wealth around") of how much the government could mandate and/or take from those who earn and give to those who did not - until it was "fair" because the economy was supposedly "rigged". Nothing about creating opportunities and/or new sources of wealth. No surprise the annual growth rates/results were poor and economies, left alone, eventually recover from recessions. He didn't "fix" anything - and made the recovery worse by trying to give the nation a socialist makeover.

Trump, despite his shortcomings, understands business and made it easier to do so by reducing regulations/taxes which encouraged growth and investment. Manufacturing jobs for the middle class were increased where Obama claimed they would never come back. We would have never achieved the increased energy independence and lower energy costs (benefitting businesses and consumers) under Democrats because they would have restricted or taxed oil/gas production until it became cost prohibitive.

We can expect Biden/Harris to go back to the "social justice" and "you owe me" approach to the economy. Enjoy watching the growth rates tank when costs of energy, products, employment, etc. increase from the deluge of new regulations and taxes that the left wing of their party wants.


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Billie,
You should remove your opinion from fact. No matter what trump did or didn't do your opinion is 100% biased that he's bad no matter what.

This is the problem with today's political polarization. Its a fact Trump filed bankruptcy for businesses. Its not a fact he was driving the US into bankruptcy. In fact, economy growth, employment, etc all show otherwise. You can still not approve, like, support, etc him as a person, businessman, or President. But separate your emotion from fact.

Illegal immigration is illegal, you blame trump for the lack of paperwork on incoming families that, some were being trafficked in upon entry - they weren't family to begin with, paired with the ~15% court date show up when they were released into the states as a family unit previously......sorry, I blame the enablers that encouraged the behavior to put families at risk more so than trump for trying to block it at the border.

4yrs of fighting by Democrats, there was no real effort to be bipartisan. From day 1 in office a vow to remove from office....russia, ukraine.....all failures by the Democratic party....calls for the dismantle of the electoral college.....imagine the wins if the same energy were put into the American people....you can still hate the guy, but you have a job to do.

In the end, I agree Trump failed the American people, his current handling of the election loss, transition, DC, Covid.....you are 100% right on - he was never a finessed president, but there are no excuses here. Completely wrong. Funny that in the end, Trump defeated Trump....4yrs of wasted time, money, effort by the Democrats at the expense of the American people. Could have gotten a lot more done and had a similar outcome.

Rider,
On gun control - thats what progressives say, and I believe its well intended, the problem is they fail to connect the policies they stand on with actual results. i.e. rebecca bauer-kahn (or swalwell, can't remember which) passed legislation that prevented the transfer of fire arms through from passing family members without going through similar registration/etc.

Her / his flyer that came out - "Rebecca Bauer-Kahn (or Swallwell) progressive on gun control"

.........show me the paretto of crimes/deaths/tragedies/etc that that piece of legislation prevented? probably not even relevent.

So is gun control and effective legislation necessary, absolutely. But it should also have a direct tie to historic events to prevent them from happening....not be a "rub your belly 3x and pat your head 2x while standing on one foot" legislation that has no direct effect on the problem its stated to solve. Law abiding citizens will absolutely support gun control laws that point to crimes......but these laws are justified on emotion, instead of cause and effect but promoted as meaningful action. We deserve better. Show the connection between the legislation and impact.....not a "i did something" bill to put on a propaganda flyer.







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"MichaelB: I'm glad to see you are toning down the misinformation. I think it suffice to say that progressive clearly want to regulate guns in a manner that ideally prevents criminal and crazies from getting their hands on guns and killing innocent people. The laws they support would also have to be constitutional, similar to how the right to free speech does not include advocating for violence and/or sedition."

No, they clearly do not and you are not thinking enough. The mandatory gun "buyback" program for the law abiding (not the criminals and crazies), wanting to sue gun manufacturers for the acts of criminals, and calling "gun violence" a "public health" problem speaks volumes. Progressives are blaming guns (objects) for violence and are trying to shut down the legal process until ownership/usage is reduced to an acceptably low number - "the fewer the guns, the better". Just like other "civilized" nations they praise have previously done. Possession of firearms by criminals and those who are mentally incapacitated is already illegal. All of the "progressives" on the Supreme Court wanted to keep the Washington DC gun bans (for the law abiding) too.


"The only person in the US who can get away with advocating for violence and/or sedition without being charged with a crime is the President of the United States. Obviously, Trump has taken advantage of that immunity to incite hatred, division and now sedition. Anyway, getting back to my original point, while you may be passionately opposed to any form of gun regulation, the misinformation you have been fed by the right that is fueling your hatred and division and making you blind to the fact that you are now supporting a president that is advocating sedition."

Trump didn't do this. He called for a peaceful demonstration regarding the results of the election that he and his supporters believed were unfair. He never endorsed lawbreaking by a small number of the protestors. You are just blind to hating Trump and can't accept that people actually supported him (including more Blacks and Hispanics in the recent election) because they thought he was the better candidate, had better plans, that they did not want what the political left wanted, and thought they were better off because of his policies.


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The FBI, National Guard as well as local law enforcement couldn’t stop those thugs?
Much more thought should be given to the defund the police movement.


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Michael B: So much for toning down the misinformation. While it is true that the total GDP growth between when Obama started and ended his term was only 8.6%, it exceeded the GDP growth of both Bush Sr and Bush Jr. The only recent presidents who had more growth was Reagan, 17.7%, and Clinton, a Democrat, with 20.9%. Anyway, this isn't a particularly fair comparison because often presidents inherit an economy in a downturn or in a bubble. Also, the global economy plays a big part as well. So you can't really base how good a president's economic policy is performing by just looking at GDP. If you did, you could say that Clinton, a Democrat, had the best economic policies of all presidents because he had sustained growth over the entire 8 years of his presidency. Furthermore, the sustained growth over his first 3 years in office exceeded the sustained growth under Trump's first 3 years in office, before the pandemic hit, by about 3.5%.

Getting back to my original message, it is a well known fact that the vast majority of voters vote on their emotions, not based on a careful and logical analysis of the pro and cons of a particular candidate. It is very difficult to get someone to think logically, but it's very easy to get someone upset and when you let your emotions take over, you become nothing more than an animal that can be controlled a master.


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There is zero comparison between Trump’s riots and BLM.

Trump’s people are brainwashed zombies who have been misled / lied to by right-wing media. They rioted because they are misled that the elections were corrupt. Total lie!

BLM is caused by 100s of years of inequalities and racism that started with slavery. All facts and proven! the majority of the protests were peaceful. I am proud to have participated in a few myself.

Some of BLM protests became riots which every public figure condemned. Give me proof of one politician that either incited or supported the BLM rioters. Come on, don’t just post - give me a link to a reputable article (not QANON).

Trump, his son and lawyer provoked their brainwashed supporters to riot and take over the capitol.


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Rich Buckley, go seek mental help from a real doctor. Your brain is infected by QANON and is rotting!


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Trump was wrong and more so. We agree.

Dems were absolutely quite about the BLM riots (not protests, riots). They were not going to touch that third rail and ruin any support - regardless of where it came from.
No different than trump.

If you hold Trump accountable for the extremists breaking the law, not just protesting, but those that went beyond to break the law, then you need to hold the Dems accountable for the BLM riots and the Seattle siege.

The impact is different, I agree, the associated responsibility is similar. You can't assign one and ignore the other.


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"Michael B: So much for toning down the misinformation. While it is true that the total GDP growth between when Obama started and ended his term was only 8.6%, it exceeded the GDP growth of both Bush Sr and Bush Jr. The only recent presidents who had more growth was Reagan, 17.7%, and Clinton, a Democrat, with 20.9%. Anyway, this isn't a particularly fair comparison because often presidents inherit an economy in a downturn or in a bubble. Also, the global economy plays a big part as well. So you can't really base how good a president's economic policy is performing by just looking at GDP."


Time for you to tone down the excuses. Obama's "economic" policies were the opposite of how private sector businesses are created, operate, and expand. We needed more people employed - and he was more interested in complaining about "paying your fair share", the "1%", and getting more people dependent on the taxpayers. No surprise given his left wing views and the resulting sluggish economic results.


Kevin
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Pleasanton parent, democrats were not quiet about the BLM protests that turned into riots. They condemned them. Here is Reuters story with links to the lies from right-wing media and links to his announcements of condemnation.

Web Link

I was with people of all color and age at the BLM protests. We were and are asking for justice for black Americans who have been enslaved and discriminated against.

Trump’s riot was full of white people who were misled by conspiracy theories. Their intent was to do the will of a corrupt man in the name of Trump.

Please don’t compare.


James Michael
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Kevin...are you a sane person?


Kevin
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I am sane, happy and doing great! You should ask your buddy Rich Buckley the question. Check out out the link in his post.

I am also happy that you and your types are in decline. You Trumpeters and Republicans lost the house, White House and then the senate. Now, there is a civil war between Trumpeters and the Republicans. Did you see the video of Lindsey Graham getting hassled by Trump supporters at the airport? Trumpsters now hate everybody, liberals, democrats, Republicans, youth, blacks, immigrants, etc. Guess what that translates to in real world. It means you can kiss it all goodbye! You have one or two more generations and you all will be gone!


James Michael
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Thanks, Kevin...you answered my question.


Kevin
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You are welcome! I hope you and your Trumpster buddies can pull yourselves out of your brainwashed state of mind and see the real world and the truth!

I assume there are some decent Trumpsters who are fooled into believing the garbage that is out there in right-wing media including Tim Hunt in this publication. The only hope for those people is to seek help to pull themselves out of the insanity that caused them to do stupid things like take over the capitol on instructions from Trump, his son and lawyer.


Kevin
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Thank you to all of you posting to push back on garbage from people like MichaelB, James Michael, et al.

Democracy is fragile and cannot be taken for granted. We cannot sit quiet and not push back on the lies that they spread. The riots in DC could have turned into much worse situation if the Congress had more crooks like Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and over 140 Republican House Representatives that cared more about their jobs than the constitution and our country. They would have put Trump back in the White House and the USA would be a dictatorship.

Please let’s be vigilant, raise your voice and vote. We are the best country in the world and we need to keep it that way!


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Kevin,
.....and trump denounced the rioting too, too late, just as the democrats, and Biden did. Timing matters.

So your experience at a peaceful blm rally translates to all blm protests and riots? Got it. We have nothing more here to discuss.

It’s ok to call both wrong and call for appropriate action against those that committed crimes. But don’t write one off to only condemn the other because it aligns with your politics. We are better than that.

Extremists should be purged from both parties, I hope and I mean this with all truth, that the democrats can find moderation with control - there clearly is a moderate / progressive divide in the party and now that they have successful control will that defeat of the common enemy, trump, now turn into inter political fraction. I hope for the sake of the American people it doesn’t. Time will tell.


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"You should remove your opinion from fact. No matter what trump did or didn't do your opinion is 100% biased that he's bad no matter what."

Pleasanton Parent,
You are absolutely right about my opinion of Trump. Not only is he a "bad" man, he has been a "bad" President. I agree with you, he has indeed failed America and its people. It's unfortunate that it took his inciting a deadly attack against democracy for some of his supporters to finally speak out.

My opinion aside, which part of my earlier post was not factual?

Here's some more facts:
Trump's Family Separation Policy: There are still 545 children who have not been reunited with their families. "Months before the Trump administration rolled out its “zero-tolerance” policy on the U.S.-Mexico border, hundreds of migrant children were already being separated from their families with little fanfare. As those children were shuttled around the country in late 2017, their parents were swiftly detained or deported, with few records taken by the government about where they went or how to contact them."
([h]ttps://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/21/donald-trump-immigration-parents-children-separated/)

Bi-partisan Legislative efforts: "4yrs of wasted time, money, effort by the Democrats", because almost all bills are buried in the "legislative graveyard" of Leader McConnell's desk. He has refused debate, markup and voting on hundreds of bills, including House passed bills on voting rights, infrastructure, and prescription drug pricing. Tell me again where the obstruction is . . .
([h]ttps://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnells-legislative-graveyard-helping-current-congress-least-productive-history-1532424)

As for Trump and the economy: Trump didn't "build the greatest economy ever", he inherited it. According to Forbes, "Obama’s Last Three Years Of Job Growth All Beat Trump’s Best Year". According to Money, "The reality is that the economy did equally well in the last three years of President Obama’s second term as in Trump’s first three years.”
([h]ttps://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/07/obamas-last-three-years-of-job-growth-all-beat-trumps-best-year/?sh=7f2baf9e6ba6) ([h]ttps://money.com/trump-vs-obama-economy/)

In fact, "Trump's anti-trade agenda and a pandemic-induced recession have combined to shutter factories and accelerate decades-old trends toward automation, eliminating hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs, many for good." Something Trump refused to admit and plan for. Kind of like the pandemic.
([h]ttps://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/trump-manufacturing-jobs-record-415588)
([h]ttps://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/01/fact-check-did-trump-overstate-manufacturing-job-gains-during-debate/114197350/)


MichaelB
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"Democracy is fragile and cannot be taken for granted. We cannot sit quiet and not push back on the lies that they spread. The riots in DC could have turned into much worse situation if the Congress had more crooks like Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and over 140 Republican House Representatives that cared more about their jobs than the constitution and our country. They would have put Trump back in the White House and the USA would be a dictatorship."

I guess someone forgot about Obama saying "I've got a pen and a phone" when his party lost control of Congress and Republicans opposed his agenda? You have to love this accusation about "dictatorship" - from the same people supporting coronavirus lockdowns, gun confiscation for law abiding people, mandatory "diversity" programs, government controlled health care, "income equality" measures, etc.

What a joke. Progressives are all about government control because they think they "know" what's best. They don't. Government does few things well.


Michael Austin
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Progressives want a free ride, period!


MichaelB
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"There is zero comparison between Trump’s riots and BLM. Trump’s people are brainwashed zombies who have been misled / lied to by right-wing media. They rioted because they are misled that the elections were corrupt. Total lie!"


Zero credibility.

Forgot about the BLM/Kenosha riots after police shot a Black suspect who had a criminal record, was armed, and resisted arrest? Same with Atlanta after the suspect fought with police, disarmed them, and tried to used their weapons against them. He was eventually shot as well - and there was another riot with a Wendy's restaurant that got burned down. All of the actions of the protestors (rioters) were rationalized by "brainwashed zombies" on the left - the police were (and are) "racist".


Kevin
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MichaelB,

Take the time to think about and study what democracy means. At its foundation is free elections. You, Trump and the rioters are trying to destroy our free election process and our democracy.

Gun control, Covid restrictions, diversity programs are policies that duly elected people put in place with approval from duly elected congress. These laws can be challenged in courts all the way up to Supreme Court. You are free to oppose these policies and vote for representatives that share your opinion. You don’t have the right to interfere in elections so you can force your policies. That is against the constitution and our laws and it is what Trump, his gang, a few senators and over 140 house reps. Tried to do.


Kevin
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Pleasanton Parent,

Thanks for stating that Trump was late in condemning the riots. For me, I think Trump should apologize to the nation and resign. He, his son and lawyer incited the riots.

Again, you don’t seem to understand the significance of the cause and origin of BLM protests. To me and overwhelming majority of Americans who participated in the BLM protests, it was about racial inequality “all men are created equal ....” as our constitution states.

The DC riots were about overthrow of duly elected president elect - it was quop de Tat.

Get the difference?


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"Take the time to think about and study what democracy means. At its foundation is free elections. You, Trump and the rioters are trying to destroy our free election process and our democracy. Gun control, Covid restrictions, diversity programs are policies that duly elected people put in place with approval from duly elected congress."


Take the time to grow up.

I am not trying to destroy our free election process and you are ignoring that this nation founded on a limited government/personal freedom model that is exactly the opposite of what so called "progressives" want - regardless of who elected them. When the government controls/runs everything, there is no democracy or freedom. This is either completely over your head to understand this or you want it because it suits you politically.


Kevin
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Then vote the progressives out of power!

But don’t destroy our election because you hate the progressives!


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Not a word from the media when BLM did over 1 billion in damage (often to small businesses and minority owned businesses). Yet this capitol hill event was the worst thing to happen?

The left loves mega corporate agendas now (CNN, Google, pfizer, Facebook, Twitter, Moderna,)


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buklau: There is a big difference between BLM riots and the Capital Hill Riot. The BLM rioters were mad about getting beat up and shot by police all the time. The Capital Hill Rioter, egged on by the president himself with his baseless claims that the election was rigged, attacked our capital in an attempt to overturn the results of a free and fair election. That is insurgency. Those people who attacked our capital are traitors. Your continued support of Trump at this point can also be considered treachery as being you are knowing supporting someone who knowingly incited insurrection.


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MichaelB: I'm not trying to change your stance on any of your positions. In fact, I have actually voted Republican in the past and have benefitted significantly from lower corporate taxes under Trump. However, I would NEVER support Trump. It was obvious to me from the beginning that whatever good would come from Trump as president would be completely overshadowed by the bad. I hope now that Trump has incited an insurrection, you will no longer support him or anyone like him in the future. However, if you still support him, I suggest you take a hard look at what good will come with that. I believe you will find that no good will come from continued support of Trump or anyone like him in the future. I believe if you change your allegiance to a more traditional conservative politicians, such as Mitt Romney, who doesn't believe in the need to incite hate, division and insurrection in order to achieve his political goals, you will find you will be able to achieve more without having to resort to insurrection.


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Blm riots were about senseless destruction and free TVs from target. [Portion removed]

Blm protests were well intended, meaningful, and had a purpose.

Dc protests were well intended , meaningful, and had a purpose.

Dc riots were about senseless destruction and an invasion, every participant should have been shot


James Michael
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I hope the schools reopen soon so Kevin can get back to class.
"quop de Tat", now that is funny. Did you mean coup d'etat?
As you read these posts you come to realize who the adults are.


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The mental patients have taken over the asylum and they will be running things now. Nietzsche In so many words said: With the breakdown of culture, nihilism and totalitarianism will prevail, and new values will be created.

We are there. The new government has recognized and legitimized the fascist and Marxist organization as righteous (Antifa and BLM); they are now protecting the act of censorship as followed by Hitler and Stalin to protect their voice and their intentions; they are turning on religion as once the stalwart of this country; and they will continue to attack the backbone of this country- the ever dwindling middle class that they hate so much.

It will be a long for years.


MichaelB
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"I believe you will find that no good will come from continued support of Trump or anyone like him in the future. I believe if you change your allegiance to a more traditional conservative politicians, such as Mitt Romney, who doesn't believe in the need to incite hate, division and insurrection in order to achieve his political goals, you will find you will be able to achieve more without having to resort to insurrection."

Romney is not a conservative even though he claims to be. He is another John McCain - someone that always finds a way to vote against conservative positions. He will achieve little, if any, change favoring conservatives.

If he ever gained more influence or power within the party, he is likely to want to negotiate/make deals/be a "statesman" with progressives which simply delays (vs. changing) what they want long term - more government control and less freedom under the guise of "fairness", "the less fortunate", "equity", etc. You are also conveniently ignoring the promotion of hate and division coming from progressives as well - rich vs. poor, black vs. white, "systemic racism", BLM, etc.


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Jake, the resulting riots in DC were by modern brown shirts. The brown shirts were the action arm of the extreme right wing in pre-Nazi Germany. Chillingly, the acts of the extreme right wing in America over the last four years, including last Wednesday, were eerily similar of the late twenties in Germany. Some of the actors have changed, such as Antifa rather than communists. But, similar nonetheless.

BTW, make no mistake, Antifa is just as dangerous as Proud Boys, et al. They are all thugs and anti-democratic.

As a side note, ultimately the brown shirts were arrested by Hitler's black shirts on trumped (no pun intended) up charges and murdered. Same for Stalin's communists.


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“ As a side note, ultimately the brown shirts were arrested by Hitler's black shirts on trumped (no pun intended) up charges and murdered. Same for Stalin's communists.”

Very aware of history, and as a response to your point above: Pelosi already has intentions of fulfilling that same activity going forward. Scary. The Democrats own words supported by statements from MSM, have signaled their retribution and desire to strike fear among their objectors.

Just to be clear, not that I support any of the violence, The Proud Boys began and took part in the riots because Antifa and BLM were assaulting and killing Trump supporters. Again, I’m only clarifying a point-not supporting an action. I say that because I don’t want to be censored by the censors.


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on Jan 10, 2021 at 10:45 am
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Jake Waters: Do you even know the meaning of nihilism, totalitarianism and fascisms? These words all describe Trump to a tee. Nihilism = the rejection of all religious and moral principles. Trump was the most immoral and unethical president we have had in modern times, perhaps even since the founding of the US. There are soo many immoral things that he has done that it's hard to say what's the worst. However, I think separating babies from their parent is perhaps the most immoral and unethical thing Trump has done while president. Totalitarianism = a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial. Trump incited an insurrection. If the insurrection was successful, Trump would now be a bonafide dictator. Fascism = a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power and forcible suppression of opposition. Trump is far-right, authoritarian, and ran on a platform of ultranationalism (MAGA = Make America Great Again). He also incited hate through his lies and deceit that resulted in his followers attempting to forcibly suppression of opposition.

For some reason, you don't understand that you actually hate everything that Trump stands for.


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