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Pleasanton: Vice mayor calls for council review of ax-throwing lounge permit

Limitless Axes & Ales aims to open in Valley Plaza by end of year

The Pleasanton City Council will decide the fate of an ax-throwing lounge proposed off Santa Rita Road after Vice Mayor Karla Brown on Tuesday called for a full council review of the Planning Commission's permit approval for the new recreational game venue and bar.

Aiming to capitalize on the growing popularity of ax-throwing as a hobby or evening-out activity, Michael Hill -- who also operates Limitless Escape Games in Livermore -- plans to open Limitless Axes & Ales in the Valley Plaza shopping center, inside the tenant suites currently occupied by Monument Car Parts.

The commission approved Hill's permit request in a 4-1 vote last week, a decision subject to a short period for any person to appeal or for a council member to call for a review. The latter occurred Tuesday night during the council's regular meeting.

The ax-throwing lounge was included among a recap of planning and zoning approvals presented to the council on its consent calendar, but Brown asked that the Limitless permit be pulled for future council consideration, saying she'd heard concerns from residents and business owners about the new venue.

"I did that after talking to many of the local businesses in the area ... The residents want to come and the businesses want to come (before the council)," Brown said.

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A timeline for the council hearing was not immediately clear.

Limitless Axes & Ales proposes to become the first ax-throwing lounge in the Tri-Valley.

The conversation before the commission on Aug. 14 centered on the proposed location, safety standards and operational strategy of the proposed lounge, according to assistant city manager Brian Dolan.

Limitless Axes & Ales would occupy Suites A and B in the multi-tenant commercial building at the western edge of Valley Plaza, which is located at the northwest corner of Santa Rita Road and Valley Avenue.

In the 4,300 square feet, the lounge would feature seven throwing lanes, a bar serving beer and wine, seating areas, a lobby and restrooms. Each lane would be fenced in to prevent thrown axes from going into other lanes or elsewhere in the building.

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There would be two throwers at a time, hurling the ax end-over-end toward different targets watched by a "coach," an employee who would provide step-by-step directions and safety oversight. A viewing area behind the lane could accommodate up to 10 people total.

Hill presented to the commissioners about his operational plan for Limitless Axes & Ales and answered their questions about proposed safety standards and other topics, according to Dolan.

The commission also heard from two residents of the nearby Danbury Park area who raised concerns about an ax-throwing lounge opening close to their neighborhood, Dolan said.

In the end, the commission voted 4-1 to approve the use permit and associated operational conditions as recommended by city staff, while also adding a condition limiting alcohol sales to two servings per patron per hour.

Commissioner Nancy Allen dissented, generally opposed to the lounge opening in a neighborhood shopping center (rather than, say, an industrial park) and the potential danger of the activity, especially when coupled with drinking.

The operator hopes to open the business by the end of December.

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Pleasanton: Vice mayor calls for council review of ax-throwing lounge permit

Limitless Axes & Ales aims to open in Valley Plaza by end of year

by / Pleasanton Weekly

Uploaded: Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 3:21 pm

The Pleasanton City Council will decide the fate of an ax-throwing lounge proposed off Santa Rita Road after Vice Mayor Karla Brown on Tuesday called for a full council review of the Planning Commission's permit approval for the new recreational game venue and bar.

Aiming to capitalize on the growing popularity of ax-throwing as a hobby or evening-out activity, Michael Hill -- who also operates Limitless Escape Games in Livermore -- plans to open Limitless Axes & Ales in the Valley Plaza shopping center, inside the tenant suites currently occupied by Monument Car Parts.

The commission approved Hill's permit request in a 4-1 vote last week, a decision subject to a short period for any person to appeal or for a council member to call for a review. The latter occurred Tuesday night during the council's regular meeting.

The ax-throwing lounge was included among a recap of planning and zoning approvals presented to the council on its consent calendar, but Brown asked that the Limitless permit be pulled for future council consideration, saying she'd heard concerns from residents and business owners about the new venue.

"I did that after talking to many of the local businesses in the area ... The residents want to come and the businesses want to come (before the council)," Brown said.

A timeline for the council hearing was not immediately clear.

Limitless Axes & Ales proposes to become the first ax-throwing lounge in the Tri-Valley.

The conversation before the commission on Aug. 14 centered on the proposed location, safety standards and operational strategy of the proposed lounge, according to assistant city manager Brian Dolan.

Limitless Axes & Ales would occupy Suites A and B in the multi-tenant commercial building at the western edge of Valley Plaza, which is located at the northwest corner of Santa Rita Road and Valley Avenue.

In the 4,300 square feet, the lounge would feature seven throwing lanes, a bar serving beer and wine, seating areas, a lobby and restrooms. Each lane would be fenced in to prevent thrown axes from going into other lanes or elsewhere in the building.

There would be two throwers at a time, hurling the ax end-over-end toward different targets watched by a "coach," an employee who would provide step-by-step directions and safety oversight. A viewing area behind the lane could accommodate up to 10 people total.

Hill presented to the commissioners about his operational plan for Limitless Axes & Ales and answered their questions about proposed safety standards and other topics, according to Dolan.

The commission also heard from two residents of the nearby Danbury Park area who raised concerns about an ax-throwing lounge opening close to their neighborhood, Dolan said.

In the end, the commission voted 4-1 to approve the use permit and associated operational conditions as recommended by city staff, while also adding a condition limiting alcohol sales to two servings per patron per hour.

Commissioner Nancy Allen dissented, generally opposed to the lounge opening in a neighborhood shopping center (rather than, say, an industrial park) and the potential danger of the activity, especially when coupled with drinking.

The operator hopes to open the business by the end of December.

Comments

Registered Joe
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:02 pm
Registered Joe, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:02 pm
21 people like this

Nanny state. Thank you Vice Mayor for spending my tax money on something so obviously important.


Pleasanton Parent
Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:12 pm
Pleasanton Parent , Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:12 pm
31 people like this

Meanwhile massage parlors get approved at an alarming rate.....


S. Tiffy
Happy Valley
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:37 pm
S. Tiffy, Happy Valley
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:37 pm
14 people like this

Its weird for sure but it will be fine.
Let them do it.


James Michael
Registered user
Val Vista
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:53 pm
James Michael, Val Vista
Registered user
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:53 pm
20 people like this

Ya, that's a good thing...hinder and stop a legitimate business. They'll just go to Dublin and set up shop anyway. Most of us don't spend our entertainment dollars in Pleasanton as it is, in fact most of us don't spend most of our shopping dollars in Pleasanton. Dublin and Livermore reap the benefits...Pleasanton is about to become a valley backwash.


Pete
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:59 pm
Pete, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 21, 2019 at 8:59 pm
2 people like this

James, no worry...you can spend your $$$ soon at the new 7-11/car wash/gas station complex coming to your neighborhood. Planning Commission meeting Wednesday. So, there you go!


Jack
Registered user
Downtown
on Aug 21, 2019 at 9:17 pm
Jack, Downtown
Registered user
on Aug 21, 2019 at 9:17 pm
21 people like this

Tackle football is going away... Seat belts and bike helmets are the law... Can't light fireworks on this side of the freeway... It's against the law for your dog to ride around in the back of your truck, let alone 6 buddies... Horse racing is now considered the worst idea ever... Our city can't properly administer a demolition permit... But the planning commission approves an Axe Throwing Lounge?


James Michael
Registered user
Val Vista
on Aug 21, 2019 at 9:33 pm
James Michael, Val Vista
Registered user
on Aug 21, 2019 at 9:33 pm
8 people like this

I know, Pete, I read that...like anybody still buys gas in Pleasanton when Costco in Livermore is 40-50 cents a gallon cheaper. As long as they don't build that damn Costco on Johnson ,-)


Chas
another community
on Aug 22, 2019 at 4:38 am
Chas, another community
on Aug 22, 2019 at 4:38 am
15 people like this

NIMBY cried the old farts in Danbury Park... So the vice mayor brings this business plan to a halt. Nevermind that there is already a bar across the parking lot that goes well into the night and it doesn't affect anyone in Danbury. Smfh.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 22, 2019 at 8:33 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 22, 2019 at 8:33 am
8 people like this

This was mentioned in the other thread on this topic: how do they monitor what you drank before you walk in? Breathalyzer? I would like the city to zero in on that part at least. Otherwise, family members went to one of these places in Sedona and had fun. I went to a brewery in Colorado that had nails, hammers, and wooden stumps. One person in our group got hit by a flying nail from another group—drew blood. So, the other question I have is what keeps you safe from other thrower’s mistakes?


Jim Y
Mohr Park
on Aug 22, 2019 at 9:26 am
Jim Y, Mohr Park
on Aug 22, 2019 at 9:26 am
5 people like this

No issues with the business proposal and idea. NOLA has it already. The big question is safety after all the drinking that happens. As me turned earlier, how will the bartender monitor the drinking rate? The other question is how seriously will the monitor who is watching the lanes for safety violations? If it is enforced like on the paintball field, we are headed to a disaster. Safety is my upmost concern, especially in today's political climate. The City Council should address this.


Spudly
Laguna Oaks
on Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 am
Spudly, Laguna Oaks
on Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 am
12 people like this

We are on track to live in the most boring place in the Universe.

Side note - Dublin has a gun range across the street from Safeway. Maybe we can get one in Pleasanton too...LOL


Mr. RH
Ruby Hill
on Aug 22, 2019 at 10:24 am
Mr. RH, Ruby Hill
on Aug 22, 2019 at 10:24 am
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idrownkittens
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:04 am
idrownkittens, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:04 am
4 people like this

I wish people would read the article before spouting off...

"The ax-throwing lounge was included among a recap of planning and zoning approvals presented to the council on its consent calendar, but Brown asked that the Limitless permit be pulled for future council consideration, saying she'd heard concerns from residents and business owners about the new venue.

"I did that after talking to many of the local businesses in the area ... The residents want to come and the businesses want to come (before the council)," Brown said."

No decisions are being made. Karla has not come out against the idea. Several local residents and businesses wanted to have their concerns heard by the council and Karla is giving them the opportunity. What's the problem? If the council votes to pull the permit, then you all can scream about the death of america or whatever.

"I went to a brewery in Colorado that had nails, hammers, and wooden stumps. One person in our group got hit by a flying nail from another group—drew blood. So, the other question I have is what keeps you safe from other thrower’s mistakes?"

If you're worried about the safety practices of a particular business, DON'T GO THERE! On top of that, the question is answered in the article if you spent 2 seconds reading it...

"In the 4,300 square feet, the lounge would feature seven throwing lanes, a bar serving beer and wine, seating areas, a lobby and restrooms. Each lane would be fenced in to prevent thrown axes from going into other lanes or elsewhere in the building.

There would be two throwers at a time, hurling the ax end-over-end toward different targets watched by a "coach," an employee who would provide step-by-step directions and safety oversight. A viewing area behind the lane could accommodate up to 10 people total."


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:10 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:10 am
3 people like this

idk, I was part of a group, not the one hit, would not participate in the future. I think questions should be answered. Not against the business.


been there
Registered user
Del Prado
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:23 am
been there, Del Prado
Registered user
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:23 am
10 people like this

Really? Axe throwing? and alcohol? We will have to change our slogan from being a charming city to "Welcomes Violence". My concern is what type of clientele will be frequenting this business?
Maybe staff could give a thorough review of where this exact business has flourished and how the economy of the community has prospered also the stats on violence from their police department(s).
The Weekly just posted an article on how SAFE our city is. I think approving this business would be a big mistake and will take us down the ugly road of encouraging more violence in our society.
OK, so I am old fuddy duddy...don't bother to write your criticisms here. I am simply expressing my personal opinion. You don't have to agree, just be civil in the discourse!


Carole Lee Manning
Registered user
Danbury Park
on Aug 22, 2019 at 12:11 pm
Carole Lee Manning, Danbury Park
Registered user
on Aug 22, 2019 at 12:11 pm
2 people like this

I cannot visualize the layout of an axe-throwing lounge, but the first thing that came to mind was an evening out with a group of friends when I was about 18. We went to a bowling alley; I was NOT drinking. When my turn came up to throw the ball I didn't let go soon enough and the ball flew over my head and came crashing down behind me. Fortunately, no one was injured. Yeah, I'd never had lessons on how to throw the ball!


Miss Vic
Mission Park
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:00 pm
Miss Vic, Mission Park
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:00 pm
8 people like this

Pulling the permit for this place makes no sense to me. It's a legit business. It's not violent for pete sake - you don't throw at other people. It's like darts except with an axe. I went to one in Kansas City with a group of office managers - these are not low life people - it doesn't bring crime or advocate violence. Sheesh. Let the axe place open. City Council (KARLA BROWN) please don't hold up on this one we don't need to be nanny watched - we are after all supposed to be adults.


Barry
Registered user
Alisal Elementary School
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Barry, Alisal Elementary School
Registered user
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:11 pm
8 people like this

Seems like a problem in the making at this location tucked behind other buildings and within shouting distance of a saloon, liquor store and 7-11. Add in 24-hour fine dining at Jack n the Box and KFC.
Maybe this is fine in a Scottish village but I think perhaps odd in a strip mall in our violence glorifying society.
Overall, this entire area is going downhill with the cheesy motel, aforementioned businesses and Safeway which has an abundance of druggies and homeless living in their cars and old RVs in the parking lot at night as well as panhandlers at the store entry. I’d like to see the entire strip commercial demo and re-built with two-story retail and office.


Joe
another community
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:39 pm
Joe, another community
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:39 pm
1 person likes this

Killer Weapons and alcohol are a GREAT mix. I will bring my guys over cuz we don't have of these in Oaktown. What do you say Ms. Vic?


James Michael
Registered user
Val Vista
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:57 pm
James Michael, Val Vista
Registered user
on Aug 22, 2019 at 3:57 pm
2 people like this

Okay...first of all you know it will be safely run because the insurance companies are involved, so all of this back and forth about weapons and alcohol is just a lot of nothing. The real thrust or point of this story is that Pleasanton actually has a Vice Mayor, really...who knew? Read a bunch of laughing emoji faces here.


7ty
Canyon Creek
on Aug 22, 2019 at 4:33 pm
7ty, Canyon Creek
on Aug 22, 2019 at 4:33 pm
2 people like this

"generally opposed to the lounge opening in a neighborhood shopping center (rather than, say, an industrial park)"

I don't understand why places like Pleasanton do not want to have businesses near people. It blows my mind. It is a shopping center with restaurants and bars. How is it that we should have another bar there? Are we really worried that axes are somehow going to fly through the wall of the building and through the wall of the apartment complex and then through the wall of the actual apartment building and hurt someone?

Or is it that we just hate the idea of people enjoying themselves?


7ty
Canyon Creek
on Aug 22, 2019 at 4:46 pm
7ty, Canyon Creek
on Aug 22, 2019 at 4:46 pm
2 people like this

"So, the other question I have is what keeps you safe from other thrower’s mistakes?"

The same things that keeps you safe from other shooters mistakes at a shooting range, or others people's mistakes on the highway, or others peoples mistakes playing pool, or other peoples mistakes while fishing....should I go on?

There are safe guards and rules in place to help protect people. Just because there might be a very slight chance of an accident doesn't mean that it shouldn't be allowed. The article described at least some of the safe guards in place. The law also has others.

But in the end, who are you trying to protect? If you don't want the risk, don't go. There may be other reason they try to deny that are just as stupid like it is a shopping center or such.

But as another posted, we need to wait and see what happens. But, if I were to place a bet on an axe throwing bar being opened it Pleasanton or not, I'd put a lot of money on not.


Steve H
Amador Estates
on Aug 22, 2019 at 6:22 pm
Steve H, Amador Estates
on Aug 22, 2019 at 6:22 pm
3 people like this

2 drinks per hour? Isn't the Sunshine Saloon right across the parking lot? What's to stop people from going there in between?


Steve
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 6:49 pm
Steve, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 6:49 pm
12 people like this

What a ridiculous waste of time and energy by this Councilmember. Axes are a thing right now...they’re done safely, and soon they will be replaced by another thing. Focus on what’s important, rather than grandstanding on an inconsequential issue.


If you Axe me...
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 7:39 pm
If you Axe me..., Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 7:39 pm
12 people like this

These axe bars are popping up everywhere. It’s a fad that can be safe and fun. There are darts at the Hopyard - that worries me because it’s near the women’s restroom! They play beer pong and pool at Sunshine - watch out! Have you been to Beer Baron lately? Fights happen there. Come on, people! We, as adults, must take responsibility for our actions - not the government. If people are that concerned, don’t go! This town is quickly becoming a retirement community. Zzzz


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 22, 2019 at 7:53 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 22, 2019 at 7:53 pm
1 person likes this

7ty, just want clear answers. Again, not against the business.


WOW
Birdland
on Aug 22, 2019 at 9:35 pm
WOW, Birdland
on Aug 22, 2019 at 9:35 pm
6 people like this

Typical Pleasanton elitist reaction. Much ado about nothing. What a bunch of nanny state wimps. Grow a set of something..


Pete
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 10:32 pm
Pete, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 10:32 pm
7 people like this

Hey Steve, the Vice-Mayor received well over 20,000 votes from Pleasanton residents to represent them. Those 20,000+ votes probably represent well over “half” the total population of Pleasanton...with children included and non voting family members. Vice-Mayor Brown is doing what residents were hopeful a representative would do. Can you guess what that is?


Grumpy
Registered user
Vineyard Avenue
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:32 am
Grumpy, Vineyard Avenue
Registered user
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:32 am
4 people like this

Let's wait until the council axes the permit before getting up in arms. Of course, we'll have to decide if axing it means approving or denying!

I genuinely have no opinion on whether an axe throwing place is a good idea. Why not have the variance on a short leash? If it looks like rules aren't being followed, the city could then come in and require shorter hours and a bouncer who monitors for drunkenness on the way in (imperfect, but could require breathalyzer), modified hours, or just pull the permit.

Perhaps the lounge would withdraw under those terms, but it's also really on them for picking a commercial location in the middle of a residential area near a bar than in a commercial space in the middle of commercial spaces like their escape room. They must have known the residential nature, which was probably a draw for them. Therefore, it'd be reasonable if the draw were tempered by conditions attached.

And that's probably what is going to happen anyway with the council.


WOW
Birdland
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:34 am
WOW, Birdland
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:34 am
10 people like this

Hey Pete, how many of those 20,000 voters care about an ax lounge. Just the elitists posting here. The rest are saying "WTF" who cares. Pleasanton has much bigger fish to fry than banning ax lounges. Wow.


Miss Vic
Mission Park
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:40 am
Miss Vic, Mission Park
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:40 am
4 people like this

The Planning Commission already vetted this. They work for all of us in Pleasanton. If they did their job and vetted this business why does Karla feel it necessary to challenge their thought process? I have a feeling we will lose this fun activity for adults because we will drag it out or make it so difficult for them they will move on to Livermore - where adults actually can have fun. And our town will continue to be a sleepy non vibrant town.


Pete
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2019 at 8:06 am
Pete, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2019 at 8:06 am
3 people like this

Grumpy is exactly right...! The Planning Commission is not an elected body but primarily picked by the Mayor. Mostly well intentioned/great people. This is but one issue that requires addressing due to resident concerns. Perhaps, the Vice-Mayor did not even think about bringing issue up until e-mail requests.
Elitists...lol
Miss Vic, you do have a lot of feelings...for sure. Why does Karla feel it necessary to challenge their thought process? I am speechless...


WOW
Birdland
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:03 am
WOW, Birdland
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:03 am
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Elitist Pete's comments....lol


JOE
Danbury Park
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:03 am
JOE, Danbury Park
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:03 am
7 people like this

THE BUSINESS MODEL IS TEAM BUILDING FOR CORPORATE CLIENTS AND FAMILY OUTINGS THIS IS NOT A BAR! TWO DRINK PER HOUR MAX IS MONITORED WITH A BRACELET GIVEN TO PARTICIPANTS AFTER VERIFYING ID THIS OPERATOR HAS TWO ESCAPE ROOMS ONE IN LIVERMORE AND IN STOCKTON HIS CUSTOMER COUNT IS OVER 100K A YEAR AND NOT ONE ISSUE I ATTENDED AXE THROWING IN DALY CITY IT WAS SAFE AND FUN VICE MAYOR SHOULD STAY IN HER LANE AND WORRY ABOUT HOMELESS AND SAFETY ISSUES INSTEAD OF WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME WITH THIS SHOW


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:32 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:32 am
8 people like this

JOE, If the vice mayor was approached by community members with concerns, then allowing further discussion is proper. This item was on the consent calendar—a foregone conclusion for a fast vote. At least questions can be asked and answered.


James Michael
Registered user
Val Vista
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:48 am
James Michael, Val Vista
Registered user
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:48 am
5 people like this

It's a good thing that they don't want a gas station because that would have got the Sullivans involved and that would mean a special election , or maybe more depending on whether they liked they like the outcome or not, and that would cost the city money.


Pete
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:52 am
Pete, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2019 at 9:52 am
5 people like this

Agreeing to disagree is tough to overcome. I know. Attacks on Vice-Mayor are, for the lack of a better word, I have none.
Wow, I have no power or wealth...understand? Example: If it came to pass that Dennis Miller’s outrage, printed in the PW, was the only reason Foothill High School’s football team ultimately received permission to use Pleasanton Complex in Bernal Park, while their field was resurfaced, that is a Community relationship disaster...and elitist.
This is nothing more than process...read Grumpy again. Take a walk.


WOW
Birdland
on Aug 23, 2019 at 10:24 am
WOW, Birdland
on Aug 23, 2019 at 10:24 am
2 people like this

Pete, Elitist is an attitude of superiority. You have it. Go walk yourself.


joe
Danbury Park
on Aug 23, 2019 at 4:01 pm
joe, Danbury Park
on Aug 23, 2019 at 4:01 pm
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Kathy The planning commission debated this project for an hour and a half
I was at the meeting and researched the project prior Now the applicant is in limbo for another 30 days for what reason?


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 23, 2019 at 4:25 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 23, 2019 at 4:25 pm
4 people like this

joe, assume you are asking me—I don’t know why it has to be 30 days, unless the council isn’t meeting until then. Don’t know what questions were asked of the vice mayor. Maybe staff needs time to respond to the concerns. In 90 minutes, what concerns were raised at the Planning Commission? If people felt they weren’t heard or their issues weren’t addressed, they chose to go to their elected representatives. That’s the process. I don’t think 30 days should be the last straw for the business. Personally, I’m not likely to ever go there, but I’m sure with a few safeguards, people will enjoy it. I’d rather have the mystery rooms here—they are a great team builder and just plain fun for all ages.


Bocce Ball Warning!!!
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:07 pm
Bocce Ball Warning!!!, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2019 at 7:07 pm
4 people like this

All you worry warts better stay clear of the Bocce Ball courts! No fences, people drinking at the Vineyard location and feeble old people at the senior center courts may put you in danger!!


Samuel
Mission Park
on Aug 25, 2019 at 6:41 pm
Samuel, Mission Park
on Aug 25, 2019 at 6:41 pm
9 people like this

Bocce ball - sounds good
Bowling - I like it
Darts - sure
Escape Room - Bring it on

Axe throwing with alcohol and 10 year olds hanging around - No way.

I am not rich or elitist, just good common sense here. I wouldn't let me teenager go there for a birthday party either. If one of you above is the owner applying to get into town, I suggest you go look at another place. What Ms. ViKi complains about I call good parenting.


John Daniels
Danbury Park
on Aug 27, 2019 at 2:17 am
John Daniels, Danbury Park
on Aug 27, 2019 at 2:17 am
9 people like this

Reading all of these comments makes me embarrassed to say I am from Pleasanton. You are all misinformed and clueless. One post above has it right - if you don't permit businesses to operate in Pleasanton they will just go to Dublin or Livermore. That is where all of us go to have dinner, shop for clothes and goods and see a movie. The people running Pleasanton are ruining this town.


Lizzie Borden
Oak Tree Acres
on Aug 27, 2019 at 10:48 am
Lizzie Borden, Oak Tree Acres
on Aug 27, 2019 at 10:48 am
8 people like this

I for one do not have a problem with it.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 27, 2019 at 11:46 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 27, 2019 at 11:46 am
2 people like this

So there are those who think this business will bring excitement to an otherwise presumed dull town and those who see at least some dangers or questions about safety, two drinks per hour (more than a body can process isn’t it?), and possibly having children present among other issues. It’s a good thing to get this fully vetted and not causing some alarming delay for the business.

I would agree the sidewalks roll up early, but there are homes very nearby. Not much there besides coffee and restaurants (some very good restaurants). For those who think Pleasanton is boring, what business would you bring into downtown or nearby to improve it?


Miss Vic
Mission Park
on Aug 27, 2019 at 6:06 pm
Miss Vic, Mission Park
on Aug 27, 2019 at 6:06 pm
4 people like this

Kathleen - hummm Sunshine saloon is in the same strip mall area. So no not in a neighborhood. It fronts Santa Rita. I like the idea of mystery rooms- that’s sounds great. I was here when Union Jack was the place for young people to go (my son and his band played there a lot). We went often and I never saw anything wrong with it other than the building needed major retrofitting. I would like to see Night life places like sauced that has bands every weekend. I know the beer place across from hotel has bands, would be nice to have a few places to go after 10 pm.


FrequentWalkerMiles
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 28, 2019 at 3:19 am
FrequentWalkerMiles, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 28, 2019 at 3:19 am
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I can’t say I have participated in any ax throwing activities, the only interaction I have with axes is using them for yard and wood work.

But I certainly won’t be the one opposing it. If we are so keen on safety, the we better have more strict laws against beer, fire, and knife wielding back yard BBQ chefs everywhere.


Patriot
Birdland
on Aug 28, 2019 at 10:10 am
Patriot , Birdland
on Aug 28, 2019 at 10:10 am
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Wow you can enjoy axe throwing and anything new here except a new school and Costco! Amazing priorities! Shanghai just opened a new Costco and Pleasanton just waits for its leaders to act.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
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Vintage Hills
on Aug 28, 2019 at 10:25 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
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Miss Vic, I was asking about downtown, but I’m sure the apartments behind the strip mall are occupied.

FWM, well, let’s hope backyard chefs aren’t throwing knives at anything.

Patriot, truth.


Map
Del Prado
on Aug 28, 2019 at 2:25 pm
Map, Del Prado
on Aug 28, 2019 at 2:25 pm
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Not against axe throwing, not my thing but go for it people why not give it a try just maybe not in a strip mall- the doctors and ambulance chasing lawyers will be on standby!! Hey it beats having another massage parlor!!
As for the people tired of a allegedly boring and sleepy town full of old people Dublin and Livermore has lots of stack and pack housing available to buy, plenty of people out there willing to move here and “suffer” with the rest of us long term residents who like it just the way it is.
Thank you KB and JT for stepping up when things a little looney!!


Mitch
another community
on Aug 29, 2019 at 8:57 am
Mitch, another community
on Aug 29, 2019 at 8:57 am
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Don't like ax throwing? Don't go.

Stop letting the loudest, whiners in the room dictate what is OK and what isn't OK.

If this business owner wants to open a legal business, and the landlord wants to rent to him, and they get the required license to sell alcohol, the city should stay out of the way.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
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Vintage Hills
on Aug 29, 2019 at 12:17 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
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on Aug 29, 2019 at 12:17 pm
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Of course we don’t have to go. No reason not to ensure safety. One of the biggest questions is the two drinks per hour. More than some can metabolize? Web Link How can anyone monitor a person's size and weight, individual metabolism rate, related food intake, and the beverage consumed? Sure, most places that serve alcohol are watching for the drunk to stop serving them, but a drunk person with an axe? Giving this some extra vetting is worth the delay.


been there
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Del Prado
on Aug 29, 2019 at 2:51 pm
been there, Del Prado
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on Aug 29, 2019 at 2:51 pm
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KR. Not only a drunk person with an axe, but someone raging and full of hate. There is plenty of that going around and you don't have to be drunk to exhibit violent behavior. So come on in for your weapon, no screening or waiting period required! Forget about banning vaping, maybe focus on an activity that could actually hurt or kill someone.


James Michael
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Val Vista
on Aug 29, 2019 at 3:27 pm
James Michael, Val Vista
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on Aug 29, 2019 at 3:27 pm
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Such imaginations, sheesh!


Fron Fran
another community
on Sep 2, 2019 at 11:02 am
Fron Fran, another community
on Sep 2, 2019 at 11:02 am
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We have urgent subjects concerning the perpetuation of drug use, homelessness, human trafficking, and conversion of taxpayer assets. These are problems of a greater concern than scrutinizing and restricting a legal business plan that would generate significant tax revenue.

The entire community hopes the city council will dismiss this review favorably and expiditiously. Open the ax throwing. Keep your nose out of the legal operation of business.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
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Vintage Hills
on Sep 2, 2019 at 11:11 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
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on Sep 2, 2019 at 11:11 am
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Fran, the entire community? Generate significant tax revenue? If you want to be credible, don’t assert something you don’t actually know.

Many issues I could pick in addition to those you point out; however, there are issues large and smallish that our council needs to address. It’s perfectly reasonable to ask more questions before you hit the vote button with your name on it. And this is not a major delay.


Miss Vic
Mission Park
on Sep 2, 2019 at 6:11 pm
Miss Vic, Mission Park
on Sep 2, 2019 at 6:11 pm
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“This is not a major delay” is subjective. If you don’t happen to be the owner of the business that was given a perm it already then I guess you might think it’s not a major delay. But if you were the owner you might think it is a major delay especially since it is not on tomorrow agenda (unless I missed it) the soonest it can be now is another two weeks. So already at least a 3 week delay for this business owner.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
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Vintage Hills
on Sep 2, 2019 at 6:19 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
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It was announced it would be a month. I would guess it was because staff needed time to respond.


dknute
Birdland
on Sep 17, 2019 at 12:01 pm
dknute, Birdland
on Sep 17, 2019 at 12:01 pm
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Axes and Ales.....I'd say go ahead...it's a success in Springfield Illinois...in Washington State, two diverse areas for sure....It plays in Peoria too, so what's the problem...
Sounds therapeutic to me. After all, the Axes won't be allowed outside the building to the Saloon should be safe....and the massage parlor down the strip....the fine dining estbalishments will be closed, except for 7/11 and Jack in the Box....i think even the fence store will be closed....
Hopefully this opening won't take as long as the Fine Dining Seafood Restaurant on Valley and Bernal....I think the name is 'Coming Soon'...


Bill
another community
on Sep 17, 2019 at 2:00 pm
Bill, another community
on Sep 17, 2019 at 2:00 pm
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Axe throwing is a bit much, but there are days where I wouldn't mind throwing an axe or two. Probably cathartic, but not recommended.


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