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Pleasanton students protesting gun violence with fundraising, National School Walkout Day

Also: Gun reform rally taking place Friday in San Ramon

Foothill High School sophomores gathered together over the weekend to make posters and T-shirts to help spread awareness about gun control issues, along with raising $2,600 to support victims of the Parkland, Fla. high school shooting, in which 17 people were killed.

They plan to use the posters and shirts during National School Walkout Day next Wednesday, when Foothill and Amador Valley high-schoolers will join others around the Tri-Valley (and the country) in a 17-minute walkout at 10 a.m. to peacefully protest gun violence in the U.S.

"On March 14th, we walk out of class for 17 minutes, one minute for every life lost in Parkland one month prior, but we also protest for the 400 deaths due to the 200 school shootings since Sandy Hook in 2012," Amador students leading the local event wrote in a statement.

A march and rally against gun violence will also be held this Friday in San Ramon from 4-7 p.m.

Community members will meet at City Hall, 7000 Bollinger Canyon Road, and march from there to the nearby Target complex at Bishop Ranch. After marching back to City Hall, the group will hold a rally against gun violence, and after sunset there will be a memorial for the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting victims, accompanied by an open mic session.

Attendees are asked to wear orange to the event, the color being used to symbolize anti-gun violence nationwide.

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Posted by Den
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 7, 2018 at 8:21 pm

Nice gesture, but this was little more than a feel good exercise. This won't make any kind of a difference, real political change is going to take much much more;; teach our kids to be politically smart so they can make change in the only way possible: voting.


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Posted by Aashna
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 7, 2018 at 8:29 pm

Just wanted to point out an error in the article - the students leading the fundraiser and the ones who created the petition for the walkout are actually Foothill Students.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 7, 2018 at 8:45 pm

Walkouts are ineffective - brainwashing students to meaningless union institutional methods.

Teach them how to write their concerns in a constructive manner, proposing solutions.

....if that fails threaten mom and dad will unleash their private investigator and publish findings. Ha


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 7, 2018 at 8:47 pm

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Students, take advantage of this moment to remind and promote, "if you see something, say something".

If you as students hear, see, or become aware of behavior out of the norm, notify someone, it may save your life and life's of your best friend.


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Posted by Double Standard
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Mar 8, 2018 at 1:31 am

If kids were wearing shirts advocating for pro 2nd ammendment rights, they'd get pulled from class.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 7:39 am

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Double Standard,
I don't think thats true, and any school that did would likely face a huge lawsuit if they did - I do think we should encourage our youth to take into account and reflect on those events and how they apply. But in either instance - wearing a shirt to school as a display or walking out as a display - both are surface level events with no content behind them.

Its a union mentality, it misses at an opportunity to merge education with current social/political/national events. If the kids want to do something, what lessons in history can be pulled ahead/reviewed to discuss how these events have been addressed at different points in time? How can we focus their writing classes into meaningful constructive arguments, why not sponsor debate on both sides where teachers teach, and provide the forum and outlet for constructive construct, flow, transfer, and discussion - force students to take both sides and defend the position. Teach them how to hold these discussions so that future events don't occur. Our problem today is we lost the ability to constructively work through disagreements and the "if you don't agree with me you're the enemy" result are the harvesting the environment and problems we continue to see. Kids need to learn how to be on opposing sides of a discussion, and still walk away respecting one another (not having to agree, but having respect). This happens in the business environment hourly and new college grads fail at it because they haven't had to deal with it, they've avoided it, or put on some meaningless display instead of actual action.


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Posted by Buc Lau
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2018 at 8:33 am

Thank God my kids attend private school where they are not forced to follow these idiotic indoctrinations. I agree with Pleasanton Parent. Use class time to discuss the issues at hand. What kid doesn’t want to skip school and get a free day? The state should dock the schools for each child that walks out and count it as an unexcused absence.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 8:38 am

"After marching back to City Hall, the group will hold a rally against gun violence, and after sunset there will be a memorial for the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting victims, accompanied by an open mic session"

I guess the criminals on the streets of Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, and St. Louis are going to notice this and say "we better stop what we're doing right now because these kids really mean business"?

Expect the "open mic session" to be more of the usual left wing tirades about "too many" guns, the NRA and 2nd Amendment supporters "causing" violence, the need for additional "reasonable" regulations/bans (the criminals will simply ignore), and law abiding/legal owners getting accused of "not doing enough" to stop crime/violence.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 8:54 am

"Foothill High School sophomores gathered together over the weekend to make posters and T-shirts to help spread awareness about gun control issues"

Allow me to assist with the effort spreading awareness.

Additional gun control laws will be ignored by criminals, there is no such thing as "gun violence", restricting guns for those not involved with mass shootings to reduce/eliminate them in the future makes no sense, and our society is going to continue to have difficulties with uncivilized/violent behaviors as long as people continue blame objects for it/treat those practice them as victims.


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Posted by Mark
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 8, 2018 at 8:58 am

@pleasanton parent, Why are you assuming that because the students are participating in a walk they are not doing any of the other things you mentioned? They can and are doing both. A march or walkout creates awareness and is motivating to the participants. They are angry and they have the right to march.

Throughout history, successful political movements have had marches and walkouts, ALONG with targeted political actions. These kids are more energized and have the will to finally tackle this issue. By the way, respecting and listening to the NRA does not and has not worked. That is not what is needed here. More power to theses kids, I support them 100 percent.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 9:17 am

@Mark

Isn't it interesting what these students and others do NOT appear to be angry about - the repeated failure of multiple law enforcement agencies to intercept and stop Cruz - after they were tipped off, warned, and at the scene of the event.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Mar 8, 2018 at 9:40 am

@MichaelB

Plenty of blame to go around. Yes, law enforcement agencies not following through with tips about Cruz, lax gun control laws, Trump revoking background checks on guns for people with mental illnesses, etc..


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Posted by Acts of Kindness
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 8, 2018 at 9:58 am

I support our students having the opportunity to protest and also our District Leaders recognizing the need for their voices to be heard.
Respectfully, I would like to add a few thoughts on how students could honor the students that were killed on campus with “on campus” actions:

Smile at 17 people you normally wouldn't smile at
Say a kind word to 17 people who might not have someone to speak to
Open up your heart to 17 people who might be hurting
Offer friendship to 17 people who might have had none

17 reasons for change... 17 reasons to make a difference.

Don’t let the anger end in a 17 minute march, let actions speak louder than words!


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Posted by D
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 8, 2018 at 10:21 am

D is a registered user.

I'm thankful I no longer have children in the PUSD. If I did, I'd let them stay home on March 14.

Lest anyone think that this "movement" is being led by students, don't deceive yourselves. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been organizing the Parkland students (i.e. using them as pawns) since day one, and groups like Everytown (which publishes lies about the frequency of school shootings), MoveOn, and even Planned Parenthood have jumped on the bandwagon.
Web Link


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Posted by Erika Alvero, Staff Reporter
a resident of another community
on Mar 8, 2018 at 10:26 am

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Thank you for your comment, Aashna. Just to clarify, both Amador Valley and Foothill are planning separate walkout events, and the quote included in the article came from a release sent out by Amador student leaders.


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Posted by D
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 8, 2018 at 10:29 am

D is a registered user.

Sam,

Trump did no such thing.

Trump repealed an Obama regulation that would have given the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which is used for gun sales, access to Social Security Administration data including the names of individuals receiving certain federal mental health benefits. The repeal did not change any existing laws regulating who is allowed to purchase guns. It merely would have provided a new way to enforce existing restrictions on gun sales. There are still, and have been for some time, laws that limit gun sales to anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” per Title 18 section 922(g) of the United States Code.


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Posted by Happy Camper
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 8, 2018 at 10:57 am

Thank you so much students and organizers...Education and awareness are good for all. Give the students praise people....we all need to do our part.


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Posted by DScott
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Mar 8, 2018 at 11:07 am

This is not a 2nd amendment issue.
This is not about union type protests

This is about America's Children being massacred in school by Americans.
These kids are not going to SOLVE the problem with their demonstration, but they can bring attention to it.

All of you putting this kids down, Ask yourselves:
When you all went to school, were children being massacred in schools?
Did you go to school worrying that you might be shot? Did you have active shooter drills?
Did you go to school and have discussions about the possibility of campus shootings?
Seems to me you lack compassion for America's children, and are afraid of people having different views and ways of expressing them.

As Mark wrote: Successful Political Movements Include marches and walkouts.
-Ask the woman who has the right to vote in this country.
-Ask the Teachers in West Virginia if it walkouts and protests are effective.
-Ask the people who have meaningful lives because of the ADA.
-Ask People who can get a good job because of the Civil Rights Act.

The country was born out of diversity and it is not going to change no matter how badly you want it to all look and sound like you.

Peace


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Posted by D
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 8, 2018 at 11:25 am

D is a registered user.

DScott,

I think it SEEMS like there are more school shootings now than in the past, probably because of social media and always-on media, but that's not actually the case:

"Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say"
Web Link


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 11:38 am

"Seems to me you lack compassion for America's children, and are afraid of people having different views and ways of expressing them"

@DScott

Seems to me you are ignoring reality on this issue. The children are doing exactly what the (left wing) "adults" are doing when these events happen - blaming guns, smearing people/organizations who support the 2nd Amendment, demanding gun bans for the law abiding, and ignoring and/or minimizing the actual circumstance and perpetrators of the event. What's "diverse" about any of this?

And yes, some of us are afraid about teenagers being marketed as "subject matter experts" on firearms policy, the Constitution, and criminal justice matters. They have yet to grow up.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Mar 8, 2018 at 12:17 pm

@D: "The repeal did not change any existing laws regulating who is allowed to purchase guns. It merely would have provided a new way to enforce existing restrictions on gun sales."

Well, Gee, we wouldn't want that, would we?


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Posted by Pods
a resident of Amador Estates
on Mar 8, 2018 at 12:37 pm

Are these the same kids that were eating Tide Laundry Pods on you tube last week?


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Posted by Mark
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 8, 2018 at 12:57 pm

@Michaelb, First you claim the teenagers are "doing exactly" what adults (left wing) would do , then you claim that teenagers just aren't grown up enough to participate. Can't have it both ways.

Also, who is ignoring or minimizing the circumstances of events? The whole point is that people who want to cause devastation do not have easy access to weapons of devastation. That is what these kids and most adults want and that is what the NRA refuses to acknowledge time and time again. It's absurd and these kids are smarter than you give them credit for. They value lives over an AR-15, as everybody should.


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Posted by LetFreedomRing
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Mar 8, 2018 at 1:51 pm

Thank you in advance to the students who think for themselves and choose to stay in class because they feel it’s the right thing to do and believing what they believe in. Sometimes courage is not going along with the crowd.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 1:55 pm

"The whole point is that people who want to cause devastation do not have easy access to weapons of devastation. That is what these kids and most adults want and that is what the NRA refuses to acknowledge time and time again. It's absurd and these kids are smarter than you give them credit for. They value lives over an AR-15, as everybody should"

The whole point is violence is the "fault" of the gun/NRA vs. missed opportunities by law enforcement and the person telegraphing he was going to carry out the event.

The "devastation" comment is absurd. The FBI reports that more people are killed by knives/fists and feet vs. long guns of any type. We heard the same type of argument in 1981 after Reagan was shot. Handguns had to be banned because they were "only used for killing people". Any erosion of Constitutional rights should be a compelling one and these aren't. Most adults do not support gun bans for the law abiding either. Only a handful of (left wing) states have so called "assault weapons" restrictions.

These kids are not very smart. Firearms do not "cause" violence. They have been available/legal to own in our nation for years. We've had fewer regulations on them - and less violence/no school shootings. We have more restrictions now and more violence/school shootings. It's laziness and ignorance to blame these events on "easy access" to guns - or ones that people find objectionable. Or that people somehow "don't care about lives" if they won't support ineffective policies to stop them/bans for those doing nothing wrong.

Progressives don't want to go near the failure of their blame society and everyone is a victim mentality. It's easier to double down and blame guns,pass more bans,and harass legal owners/2nd Amendment supporters instead. The (left wing) adults are behaving/thinking exactly like children on this issue. Case in point - Hillary Clinton wanting to "hold the gun industry accountable" for what criminals do and supporting Australian style confiscation schemes for people having nothing to do with crime.


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Posted by Mark
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 8, 2018 at 2:20 pm

@michael B, So much of what you are saying is wrong it's not even worth arguing. Just know you sound like the bitter old man who in 1920 thought we should just keep woman from voting because that's how it always was. The old man who in 1965 thought it was nice that restaurants and water fountains were segregated because, hey, that's how it's always been in our nation. We don't want to inconvenience any law abiding white people. Perhaps we should have kept slavery, I mean, it was how it had been for a long time, and we wouldn't want to blame or harass any law abiding slaveowners, right?

These kids will outlive us and thankfully these kids are smart and have value for human life. It's the cycle of life and the only thing that truly remains static is that things will always change. Always.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Stoneridge
on Mar 8, 2018 at 2:21 pm

My child was told that they would be leaving classes for 17 minutes to honor the students that were killed.

Are the students actually being told the true reason for the 17 minute "walk out"?

I haven't seen any permission slip requesting permission for my child to leave class to participate in a political function. Is this appropriate, or even allowed by law? No it is not.


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Posted by OK
a resident of California Somerset
on Mar 8, 2018 at 2:31 pm

Mark. Refer to the question of Tide Pods.


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Posted by Steve M
a resident of Sycamore Heights
on Mar 8, 2018 at 2:34 pm

I a very proud of our students for tackling a problem that our government has not been able to address. I am tired of living under the tyranny of the gun lobby.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 3:37 pm

"@michael B, So much of what you are saying is wrong it's not even worth arguing. Just know you sound like the bitter old man who in 1920 thought we should just keep woman from voting because that's how it always was. The old man who in 1965 thought it was nice that restaurants and water fountains were segregated because, hey, that's how it's always been in our nation. We don't want to inconvenience any law abiding white people. Perhaps we should have kept slavery, I mean, it was how it had been for a long time, and we wouldn't want to blame or harass any law abiding slaveowners, right"

It IS worth arguing with someone who accuses others of being prejudiced, a slave owner, a segregationist, being against women, etc. if they don't support a gun ban for those having nothing to do with mass shootings and kids chanting/marching with "stop gun violence" signs expecting the problem to go away?

It's nothing at all - and you sound just like a child.

This is exactly why gun control supporters are not to be believed nor trusted. They simply have no common sense and can't deal with reality. Guns/gun ownership "bad", gun control/bans "good", and people who abuse guns are "victims".


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 3:58 pm

@SteveM

Let's see. Cruz gets sent to a diversionary program instead of being arrested (which would have been flagged by a background check for a gun purchase), gets expelled from school, makes threats about carrying out a school shooting, the FBI gets informed and doesn't follow up, and law enforcement didn't engage him when he returns to school grounds to kill as many people as possible.

But the "gun lobby" and "assault weapons" are responsible for what happens and kids are going to fix it?


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Posted by LanceM
a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2018 at 4:00 pm

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If you are one of the people that say the students are "missing the point" or "union mentality" why don't you get involved? Help organize the kids?

Oh, I know that would be too much effort. Much easier to sit behind a keyboard and complain and worry about your home equity.


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Posted by LanceM
a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2018 at 4:05 pm

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"I haven't seen any permission slip requesting permission for my child to leave class to participate in a political function."

Steve - please read the community notification from the Superintendent. The district and schools are not promoting any event but they are being directed to not punish students if they choose to participate.

If you feel that your child's teacher is not following that directive then certainly contact the school.

However, you don't need to sign a permission slip to have a teacher take the students out of the classroom if they stay on campus. So yes, it is absolutely allowed by law. Are you suggesting it is illegal to take the kids to the library? I mean the library has books and things which might have a different political opinion than your.


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Posted by LanceM
a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2018 at 4:08 pm

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MichaelB - the gun advocates are also doing exactly what the left is accused of doing. A company makes a decision like to not give discounts to NRA members and people freak out like it is some kind of right to get a 10% discount on car insurance.


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Posted by A question
a resident of Livermore
on Mar 8, 2018 at 4:12 pm

A question is a registered user.

Why can we not have a reasonable, rational discussion about this problem? I know it's a hot button issue, but arguing and insulting people is NOT the answer. Gun owners/advocates - are you opposed to a ban on assault weapons? If so, why? I'm just curious; I really want to know the answer since I have not heard a direct answer to my direct question from anyone that I've asked. Also, do you agree that a waiting period until a THOROUGH background check, including medical/mental health issues can be received by the seller is a good thing? I can't see why anyone is opposed to that. Can anyone ever have a meaningful dialogue, listen to other people's points of view, go into a discussion with a solve the problem mentality instead of an I'm right and I won't shut up until everyone admits that they're wrong attitude? Please contact your representatives in Washington and demand that they have a rational, reasonable debate and actually ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING meaningful and do it quickly? People need to ask the hard questions and make the hard choices; that's what we elected them to do. And if they don't or won't, we need to elect people who will.


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Posted by Mitch
a resident of another community
on Mar 8, 2018 at 4:18 pm

They should walk out against opiates, something that is much more likely to affect and even kill their friends and family. Also, opiates aren't protected by 2nd amendment so solutions might actually be possible.

But, sure, hop on that top down leftist co-opted gun protest, led by the same people that organize every other protest, and then forget about it the next day.

Never owned a gun in my life, but I'm going to obtain one as soon as I take the necessary training and get a safe. Sorry kids.


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Posted by Maybe, but....
a resident of Livermore
on Mar 8, 2018 at 4:38 pm

Maybe, but.... is a registered user.

Mark, kids have value for human life? Are these the same kids who drink, smoke, do vapping, drive drunk, use birth control pills, have abortions, do drugs, steal cars, shoot flare guns into people's homes at Christmas time, put graffiti all over any surface they can, bully anyone they don't like, humiliate people online, curse at seniors, push by you and practically knock you over on the street, cross against lights because they can't take their eyes off their phones? They are being led for political reasons and if people really cared about them, they would educate them about the dangers of drinking, smoking, using drugs and being so obsessed with electronics that they don't know there is a whole world out their waiting for them to explore, if they live long enough. Maybe you have a lot of hope for these kids, but unless things change quickly, I don't.


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Posted by Mikel
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Mar 8, 2018 at 4:49 pm

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If politicians cared about children they would be doing something for teen suicide prevention. 100 times more students die from suicide each year than from school shootings. Over 40,000 a year die from suicide but you hardly hear about it. The shooters are also in need of suicide intervention before they commit these shootings as they are suicidal too. The Democrats are using children to push their anti-gun agenda for political reasons. There are over 130,000 schools in the U.S. The chances of your child being in a school that has a shooting or of getting shot are very small. We think that it's an epidemic of massacres because it's play up on the news so much. Certainly school shootings are a terrible thing but there are more effective ways to prevent them than going after the guns and none of the anti-gun proposals that I've heard would have done anything to prevent the shootings.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 5:11 pm

@A question

No ban on "assault weapons". An "assault weapon" is whatever politicians want it to be and the 2nd Amendment is not the "need" for something. These guns are not fully automatic, use technology that is over 100 years old, and function like other guns commonly used. California has already tried to redefine this item several times since the initial 1989 ban by adding guns that politicians don't like to an acceptable "list". Blaming the type of gun/wanting it banned for those who misuse it deliberately is not going to stop criminals and ignores the 2nd Amendment. Gun control advocates have already tried this approach with handguns in the early 1980s.

I'm not opposed to firearms background checks assuming they are little/no cost and are timely. What's a disqualifying medical or mental issue? No lengthy waiting periods, no possession limits, and no licenses/permits as a condition of ownership. And no ammunition background checks either - they're redundant.

Want a meaningful discussion? Kind of difficult with the leadership of a major political party (Democratic) thinking guns are a "cause" of violence and coming back in states like California and New York every year wanting new things restricted and banned while calling it "reasonable". Gun control supporters just expect the other side to cave in and give nothing in return.

So exactly what needs to be "accomplished" if you get to decide?


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2018 at 5:49 pm

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I think it is instructive to look at what Australia did and see if we could do something similar in the US.

I think there are valid points on both sides here.


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2018 at 5:51 pm

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@"maybe but",

Today's kids aren't any worse than any others from other generations. Old people are always complaining about young people.


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 6:28 pm

"This is not a 2nd amendment issue"

@DScott

It most certainly is. The text of the article mentions "help spread awareness about gun control issues". Gun control advocacy for an "assault weapons" ban is the exact opposite of preserving the right to bear arms (2nd Amendment). Assault weapons bans have already been "redefined" and expanded in states such as New York, California, Connecticut, and Massachusetts. Previous legal owners of these firearms doing nothing wrong have been threatened with criminal prosecution if they didn't register them. Criminals are probably terrified as a result.

Too bad people like @Mark can't explain why an "assault weapons" ban is going to "work" to stop mass shootings - and thinks people who question/oppose it are just "wrong" and are somehow the equivalent of segregationists, slave owners, and those opposing women the right to vote as a result. And people think the NRA is made up of people on the fringe? Hardly.


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Posted by LanceM
a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2018 at 6:38 pm

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Maybe, but....

You talk about "kids" like very kid is the same and that none of them have a clue. I will tell you that there are many that are smart, wiser, more in tune with society than most people that post on here that are "adults"

Yes, kids make bad decisions, but are you actually going to tell me there are no adults that "drink, smoke, do vapping, drive drunk, use birth control pills, have abortions, do drugs, steal cars, shoot flare guns into people's homes at Christmas time, put graffiti all over any surface they can, bully anyone they don't like, humiliate people online, curse at seniors, push by you and practically knock you over on the street, cross against lights because they can't take their eyes off their phones?"

To try to put all young people in some sort of box because you think you are better than them...well I will tell you there are far more damaging adults in this town than students.


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Posted by LanceM
a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2018 at 6:39 pm

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"bully anyone they don't like"

and just maybe they are trying to be President


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Posted by MichaelB
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 7:09 pm

"You talk about "kids" like very kid is the same and that none of them have a clue. I will tell you that there are many that are smart, wiser, more in tune with society than most people that post on here that are "adults""

@LanceM

The ones who think the issue about what led up to what Cruz did in Florida is only about "assault weapons" and the NRA are not those kinds of kids. The smart ones came in contact with/knew about Cruz and predicted he was the one likely to carry out what he did/were not surprised to find out he'd done it.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 7:34 pm

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Raise awareness?! Really?!

This is already in the National and global spotlight. I was overseas and it was broadcast globally along with the the entire countries own debates on firearm ownership. More awareness is not needed, task achieved. Ask the nfl how increasing awareness helped:...oh it didn’t, it diluted the cause. What’s needed are solutions.

Raising awareness is effective to get attention on an issue - ie student suicide (great issue to raise awareness).

All these kids are going to achieve is a false sense of achievement- you want to raise awareness, raise awareness on how ineffective this is and how damaging of a lesson it teaches.

Again, harness and focus the energy and desire to contribute into meaningful actions.

Force meaningful debate in the classroom. Record tape send to elected officials. Let them see how high school students can be more effective coming to solutions from opposing sides of the issue.

Do something meaningful not stupid.

You want to be more meaningful? Have the students silently/anonymously submit who in their school they worry about carrying out a similar activity and look to intervene early if investigation proves merit......oh, too far? Not pc friendly?




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Posted by D
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 8, 2018 at 8:11 pm

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MichaelB alluded to it, but I find it surprising (jk, it's not surprising at all) that almost no media attention has been given to the fact that an Obama policy is directly responsible for Nikolas Cruz being able to purchase a weapon. From RealClearInvestigations:

"Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.

Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."

“He had a clean record, so alarm bells didn’t go off when they looked him up in the system,” veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. “He probably wouldn’t have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement."

Disclosures about the strategy add a central new element to the Parkland shooting story: It's not just one of official failings at many levels and of America's deep divide over guns, but also one of deliberate federal policy gone awry."

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I sure hope the PUSD isn't taking part in this disastrous project.


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Mar 8, 2018 at 8:46 pm

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Woohoo! Let me recap what I’ve read

- Students shouldn’t walk out because that doesn’t actually stop any shooters
- Kids who are liberal are stupid
- Kids who don’t do what liberals do are smart

Well, my response is
- By that logic, people shouldn’t post on hometown newspaper comments because that doesn’t do anything either,
- We can all feel free to call the other side stupid. They probably are. Maybe we are all stupid. After all, see point above.

And for those of you who want to adop the theory that children these days blah blah blah, I’ll remind you that if you grew up around here you couldn’t have walked to school in the snow.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 8, 2018 at 9:44 pm

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Grumpy,
And you highlight (whether by creative narrative or by subconscious omission) that the fail safes that were meant to prevent this from happening all failed - and they continue to remain absent from any major discussion on this specific topic.


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Posted by D
a resident of Foothill High School
on Mar 8, 2018 at 10:56 pm

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Grumpy,

"- Students shouldn’t walk out because that doesn’t actually stop any shooters"BINGO! (Doesn't actually do *anything*)

"- Kids who are liberal are stupid"
It doesn't take a lot of smarts (or guts) to follow the herd.

"- Kids who don’t do what liberals do are smart"
See above.

"- By that logic, people shouldn’t post on hometown newspaper comments because that doesn’t do anything either"
It does more than walking out, because multiple sides of the issue are actually being discussed. And maybe, just maybe, a school administrator or politician will read some of the comments and start to understand that there IS another side to the issue.

"- We can all feel free to call the other side stupid. They probably are. Maybe we are all stupid. After all, see point above."
Most of the people here are making valid points. There are a few exceptions.

"And for those of you who want to adopt the theory that children these days blah blah blah, I’ll remind you that if you grew up around here you couldn’t have walked to school in the snow."
Many of us DIDN'T grow up here. I grew up on the other side of the country, and I actually did walk a mile home from school in the snow and rain and cold when I was in elementary school.


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Mar 9, 2018 at 6:52 am

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Hmm, I think you might be missing a lot.

Students walking out doesn’t do anything: Actually, it started this very conversation, which D now defends. Therefore, the position that walking out is pointless is disproven by every post made here.

Liberals follow the herd: so do conservatives. I don’t see the pro-gun side breaking away from the pack either. The goal in a real debate is to call balls and strikes fairly, and therefore learn about everyone’s strike zone. That’s not happening here.

By the way, it does take guts to participate in an act of protest. Try it sometime. It also takes some guts to do it knowing that people will call you stupid sheep. The very fact that some people are against protest against authority per se makes it take guts to participate.

Most people here are venting their beliefs louder and louder. That’s not necessarily wrong—but it defines itself as act of protest, not debate. You’re protesting the kids’ protesting. That’s what free speech is for, and why PW is good to allow these comments. I just want to point out the fundamental inconsistency. It’s a protest if you’re not interested in changing the opinion of the other side but just repeating yours with a certain amount of indignation.

As for the snow comment, D, you missed the point. It is irrelevant to the strength of an argument or the weakness of your opponents how difficult a life or how hard you worked as a child. Debates about who hard the speaker’s life was don’t belong in debates. They do belong in protests, though, because we all want to know why we should care about the protestor.






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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 9, 2018 at 7:16 am

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Grumpy,
Actually it detracted from the conversation - instead of focusing on the national issue at hand we're talking about how kids should spend their time in school. There isn't an iota of discussion around the national issue and potential solutions.

The debate here proves my earlier point - raising awareness to an issue that is already well "aware" is meaningless and can only do more harm to the cause than good - as it does this, detracts from the cause and shifts energy onto a tangent path....that "feels similar" but frays the focus.


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Mar 9, 2018 at 7:39 am

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@PP, you’re point is fair, but I think I can show you the other side of it.

The gun problem in this country is really two problems: a political problem that can only be solved by governments, and a cultural problem that can only be solved by the community.

None of us are a part of the political debate, as we aren’t in the government nor among its advisors. We are only a part of the cultural debate. And that cultural problem is what the students meant to highlight—that culture starts with each of us.

The argument (not yours) that culture is irrelevant is clearly wrong. It shifts the debate and eventually causes politicians to change minds and elections to change politicians.

You could argue that California doesn’t need a cultural shift, because our government is more focused on this issue than most. That would be a reasonable argument, but even if I were to fully embrace it—and I think with cultural issues one should never be complacent—I’d still see merit in students protesting so that they learned the value of civic peaceful protest and how cultural awareness works in a democracy. After all, it’s a high school, and our schools are already not teaching how our system works. (Take that most people don’t understand when judges are required to construct what some people mistakenly call “writing their own law”—equity—versus the usual jury trial that most people learn about on television.)


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 9, 2018 at 7:49 am

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We agree our political elected officials and education system has failed to properly channel this energy into meaningful/actionable results. I agree.

Kids feel connected to the issue, they want to be involved to varying degrees, and for lack of a better solution this is what they have immediately accessible to them.

We owe them better.


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Posted by Grumpy
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Mar 9, 2018 at 8:33 am

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Political change often comes from social change, so I think you’re being way premature by not seeing that local protests—like votes—start off almost meaningless but eventually add up to a big deal. I don’t want that point to go missing, because then it tells people to be complacent when protests could eventually make a change.

That being said, we totally agree that politicians haven’t done enough, and that our kids deserve better.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 9, 2018 at 12:34 pm

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Grumpy we'll have to agree to disagree on the impact of this protest.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 9, 2018 at 12:40 pm

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..........stated differently of the ~4,600 high school students, if 75% participate thats 3,450 students at 17 min each or 58,650 person mins (978 hours) available to this issue, this is how you would prioritize that investment of time for the largest overall impact?

no $#@$##4! way.


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2018 at 12:56 pm

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I think protests not unlike these helped with the civil rights movement. I wouldn't discount them.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 9, 2018 at 2:29 pm

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Sharpening rocks to kill food was also very effective at a point in time.


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Posted by Puff Daddy
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Mar 11, 2018 at 7:19 pm

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Pleasanton Parent: are you suggesting sharp rocks will not kill food today?


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Posted by Puff Daddy
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Mar 11, 2018 at 7:40 pm

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By the way, I'm a gun owner (ex-NRA, but they've slipped a little too far from rational thought for me), support the 2nd amendment, but would happily sign up for restrictions on military-inspired rifles and high capacity magazines (rifles and pistols). Totally get that nutty people drive these events, but if they had an over under shotgun (2 shot capacity) or a six-shooter (capacity implied), there is absolutely no way to argue that the damage would be as much.

I'm guessing most folks who argue that it's not the weapon or high capacity that's the problem, would absolutely choose an AR-15 with a high-capacity magazine if they needed to defend themselves against 10 nuts advancing against them in a parking lot with knives ... because these M16 knock off rifles are designed to be exceptionally efficient for non-skilled shooters to kill people quickly. Flip it and it's a problem at schools today. Let's talk data, facts, not leftie vs. righty. Common sense and self-reliance built this country. We need to use our brains, not fight against each other.

That mental health is a key issue in these terrible shootings, doesn't exonerate the weapons used that make it much easier to do. It's a multifaceted problem and we need to hit all parts of it hard.


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 12, 2018 at 11:53 am

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While all the media and local hype has been focused on this "walkout" why don't the concerned students actually DO SOMETHING that could possibly have an immediate and positive effect within their environment?

There is a growing movement that encourages all students to look within their school and peer groups, to seek out that ONE kid who's eating alone or that ONE kid who's always getting picked on or bullied or that ONE kid that nobody talks to and simply engage with them. Talk to them. Eat lunch with them and perhaps, make friends with them.

But of course, by all means knock yourselves out with your little protest later this week, it'll be raining so don't forget your umbrella.


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 12, 2018 at 12:40 pm

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@Nosy Neighbors,

But it is like you said there is a growing movement to take those positive steps to do something positive about it.

Some of the same students are involved with both.


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Posted by Henry
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Mar 14, 2018 at 9:57 am

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This is the first time since the Vietnam War that a nationwide protest movement has energized high school students across the country. Like 50 years ago, the next steps need to be registering to vote - yes, students can register once they're 16 and high schools should be supporting this effort - and then becoming educated on the issues and candidates and then voting in the first election they're eligible. Students can take part in campaigns, and soon they can run for office. Vietnam changed the political psyche of the country. I believe this movement can do the same.


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Posted by Patriots
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 14, 2018 at 11:16 am

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Thanks Henry, we adults have let the students and youth down by not insuring smart gun control. So inspiring to see our youth making a statement for gun control. Don't need AR 15s on our streets, make it 21 to buy a weapon and more. They made a start in Florida. Maybe the youth need to make a statement for new schools in Pleasanton, the adults that can do it appear to be letting our city down.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Mar 14, 2018 at 3:37 pm

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Patriots,
We adults have let the students and youth down by not following through on reported actions and being too worried about getting our feelings hurt over credible threats. I agree no one needs an AR15 and thats my personal feeling, one I realize not shared by all, but again, I'm personally with you there.

I'm more afraid that the youth are too afraid of confronting concerns out of fear of being called non-pc, a bully, a bigot, etc. and instead of intervening with these otherwise identified threats we're just focused on the instrument. Again, I understand the impact - its not lost on me. But why aren't we having the same discussion around personal freedoms as they relate to social media postings or individual reports?


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