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Editorial: Pressing for answers, media comes under attack

 

The news media is under attack, on a national and local level.

The Trump administration declared war on the press less than 48 hours after the inauguration, with the new press secretary, Sean Spicer, all but calling journalists and news organizations liars when they reported about attendance at the inauguration.

Saturday, President Donald Trump speaking at the CIA said, "I have a running war with the media." He has demeaned and belittled journalists. He has ordered some government agencies to stop posting about certain topics and information on social media. Since the beginning of his campaign, he has tried to de-legitimize the press as a whole.

The lack of respect for the Fourth Estate is appalling. First Amendment advocates are nervous. The American Civil Liberties Union put out a statement vowing any threats to freedom of the press by the Trump White House would be met with a "vigorous defense" of the First Amendment.

The Pleasanton Weekly was also attacked last week, but in a more subtle manner.

At a City of Pleasanton Economic Vitality Committee meeting Jan. 19, Pleasanton school board trustee Jamie Hintzke encouraged a group of business people and community leaders to stop advertising in the Pleasanton Weekly.

Hintzke, who was just narrowly re-elected to the board in November, said our Jan. 13 editorial -- which asked the board for answers about the sudden and unexplained termination of the district's superintendent of six months -- was inflammatory, injurious to the community and written solely to incite trouble.

Within minutes of the meeting's adjournment, attendees were calling us to report that Hintzke "tried to kill the Weekly," as one person put it.

In an email response to our request for a comment, Hintzke said she "made a statement out of frustration about the Pleasanton Weekly and recent articles about the Board and District."

"These statements are in no way a reflection of the Pleasanton School Board's position and I truly apologize," she continued.

Hintzke wanted to assure us she did not suggest an advertising boycott, which would, in essence, be an attempt to staunch the lifeblood of the newspaper that is asking questions, seeking truth and trying to hold elected officials accountable.

She said at the end of the committee meeting she told Realtors in the group that if she were a Realtor she "would reconsider placing ad space in the Weekly."

Maybe it's just us, but we don't see the difference in intent.

Most news organizations -- including this one -- are businesses. In that way, we are very much like small businesses on Main Street in downtown.

But unlike most other small businesses, a newspaper is a public trust with a responsibility to ask tough questions, protect public interest and create public awareness. People feel the local newspaper belongs to them and that it is a right to have the coverage. But, at the end of the day, we still have bills to pay. Without our advertisers we would not exist.

It is no secret that the business model of newspapers has changed, and news organizations are and have been struggling financially for at least the past decade.

There is no substitute for local news, and there are costs associated with paying trained, professional journalists. When you add those costs to expenses such as printing and mailing, rent and salaries for support staff, the cost to run a community newspaper is substantial.

Indeed, loss of advertising dollars from "reconsidered ad space" would weaken or stop our coverage of important issues, like a ballot measure dividing a city, a local election, increased water rates or the abrupt and unexplained firing of a recently hired schools superintendent.

It would make life much easier for a handful of people if the Weekly would cease to exist.

Remember, though, that a strong and healthy press -- locally and nationally -- is imperative to the strength and health of a community and a country. Journalism comes at a price, but we believe citizens would pay a much higher price without it.

Pleasanton Weekly editorial board.

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Posted by Al Cohen
a resident of Del Prado
on Jan 28, 2017 at 3:07 pm

The reaction by Ms. Hintzke is horrible. You can agree to disagree. However, trying to influence people by her position defies ethics and the public trust. Shame on you.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2017 at 3:33 pm

Using the forum of a city public meeting (the Economic Vitality Committee) to encourage participants to boycott the local newspaper and not advertising in it for announcing in an opinion piece what is already well-known to the community at large, that the school district is a train wreck, is laughable. I only wish the opinion piece had been more strongly worded with the title A Failed School Board Should Resign, Now like the recent Editorial in the Seattle Times Web Link .

Let me see. Hintzke wants advertisers to hold back private funds (and presumably city public funds that are used to advertise public meetings) that are used to advertise in the Weekly when the irresponsible Board who routinely misspends several million a year in legal fees rather than direct those funds to the classroom, has also just squandered $256,000 in public funds to pay-off a superintendent it hired for less than 6 months, and replaced the superintendent by an interim superintendent (Ochoa) that just got a $271,000 payout from taxpayer funds after being fired from her previous school district.

Unbelievable. Only in Pleasanton.

I agree with Mr. Cohen 100%.


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Posted by KTVU News Video on PUSD
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 28, 2017 at 5:45 pm

All the school board members should have resigned the day they banned the viewing of the inauguration in the classrooms. Did anyone see this on the 6 o'clock news? Here is the news video - - - Web Link

Maybe the board should call all the advertisers on KTVU and demand that they pull all of their advertising from KTVU. (sarcasm)

Perhaps the board members and executive management are so busy working on media blackouts, they are too busy to focus on educating kids.

With all those censorship press releases that are so ridiculous they get shown on the Evening News, retaliating against those who tell the truth, caving to fabricated claims of hostile work environment, removing all staff members who challenge both their "wisdom" and authority, missing work because they are either out taking classes or on huge shopping sprees funded by the $250,000 + taxpayer payouts, no wonder they can't manage anything, including themselves.

It is time for entirely new leadership.


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 28, 2017 at 5:50 pm

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Jamie Hintzke needs to stand up and take responsibility for her participation that caused the hiring of Rick Rubino.

Attempting to discourage businesses from purchasing advertising in the local newspaper is vindictive and consistent with Donald Trump like vindictiveness.


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Posted by Pete
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 28, 2017 at 6:36 pm

Donald Trump is treating the media in the matter they deserve. They make up stories and are infiltrated with liberals who have no intent on being unbiased. They are just upset that for once they are being called out for what they truly are.

Trump is doing a great job in my estimation.


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Posted by Pete
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 28, 2017 at 6:40 pm

I meant President Trump


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jan 28, 2017 at 7:03 pm

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Jamie Hintzke was wrong for what she encouraged and the Pleasanton Weekly did not deserve her action.

The national media has no play in Pleasanton.
The Pleasanton weekly has the play in Pleasanton.


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Posted by Jack
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 28, 2017 at 7:42 pm

"Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel. "
Mark Twain


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Posted by Billie
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 28, 2017 at 9:52 pm

Jack that was when the press was honest and did the news. Now they are nothing other than National Socialists or NAZI's it s not reporting but rather opinion.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2017 at 10:10 pm

Another Mark Twain truism:

"In the first place, God made idiots. This was for practice. Then he made School Boards."
Mark Twain


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 29, 2017 at 7:57 pm

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Title: "Pressing for answers, media comes under attack"

Good. It's about time.

Dan


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Jan 29, 2017 at 9:57 pm

Who needs facts when we can have "alternative facts"?


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Posted by Silencing the press through intimidation
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2017 at 11:19 pm

Thank you Pleasanton Weekly for putting in print what us parents and teachers have known for years --- the Pleasanton Unified school district brazenly and illegally attempts to silent anyone that criticizes or questions them. This is not a subtle action. In fact, the school district's goal is to silence you for engaging in a protected activity, engaging in freedom of the press.

Taking adverse actions against anyone who questions the District is not new. The District wishes indeed to put the Pleasanton Weekly out of business. No wonder they do not cooperate with providing the press information in response to records requests.

For example, this web link Web Link outlines many of the strategies used by this District to openly and actively retaliate against parents who attempt to obtain the school records of their own children.

The Pleasanton Weekly should file a lawsuit against the Pleasanton Unified School District for anti-trust violations and illegal restraint of trade. Luckily, the Pleasanton Weekly has many first-hand witnesses that were present in witnessing the District's illegal acts.

Thank you for exposing the indisputable facts and showing how corrupt the District really is.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jan 30, 2017 at 9:46 am

If the media went back to reporting facts instead of promoting a political agenda there would be no problem.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Jan 30, 2017 at 9:55 am

@sanity

I had no idea that the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution was suspended for news sources that have a"political agenda". Thanks for clearing that up for us.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 30, 2017 at 10:10 am

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@Sam The media is supposed to report the facts....not promote falsehoods and cover up facts. There is a name for when the Media intentionally lies to the people. It's called "Propaganda" and it doesn't matter what your politics are, it's disgusting.
This is much of the reason that there is such divisiveness in this country, the media lies to the people.


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Posted by Pete
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 30, 2017 at 10:23 am

Sanity,

To your point most of the top 15 CNN articles are opinion anti President Trump pieces. They don't even mention Irans launch of intercontental ballistic middle today. This is not news but rather blogging and they should be taken on. Remember Walter Cronkite famous sign off phrase? "And that's the way it was today". He only stated facts.

The media and the left are reminiscent of the 1930's and Nazi Germany. Hoodlums running the streets with their faces covered hitting people who disagree with them and the media spewing propaganda in support of the Nazi.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 30, 2017 at 10:42 am

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I think if the media only reported the truth we could all find our common ground instead of our differences depending on which news outlet you watched/read.
Most people want the same thing: A safe, clean, free country to raise our children in with good values and a robust economy where all may prosper. Who doesn't want that?
Hard to realize when we are at each others throats....usually with false information tucked under their arm.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 30, 2017 at 2:31 pm

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14% popularity rate right there with politicians is all you need to know about the current media.

They push a "fake news" meme when Trump gets elected, then actually report fake news as if they're to be believed.

Now they get all a-twitter when they start feeling heat from consumers and politicians?

Heh!

Was watching Sean Spicer (Trumps PR sec) eviscerate every reporter at todays press conference on every subject that was brought up. It was masterful!

This has been a fun beginning to this presidency and I am looking forward to the next 8 years.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 30, 2017 at 2:44 pm

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There is an old saying:
"If you are going to speak, speak truth."


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 30, 2017 at 3:23 pm

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Whoa whoa whoa!!!

I just re-read "KTVU Video on PUSD" comment and I am ASTONISHED that the PUSD "discouraged" teachers from showing the inaugural during class time! Web Link

ASTONISHED!

Excerpts from the letter that the "Educational Service Team" put out:

"Some adults in leadership roles in our country have exhibited, and continue to exhibit, behavior that directly contradicts the conduct and respect that we honor as educators and that we take great care in teaching to our students."

Where on earth were these fools when the Obama Administration was lying to the American people about who killed the 4 patriots in Benghazi? Or got caught selling guns to the cartels in Mexico leading to the death of border agents, or lying about keeping your doctor and your plan and reducing your medical costs by $2500???

I guess LYING to the American people is a behavior that PUSD thinks our students should be exposed? UNBELIEVABLE!!!

"This election and the divisiveness that have followed cannot be simply distilled to a matter of differing ideologies. Schools across the nation have reported an increase in bullying and harassment following the election."

No KIDDING PUSD and Patrick Gannon! The bullying has been coming all from the losers on the DEMOCRAT/LEFT side who've been harassing TRUMP supporters, NOT the other way around. Has PUSD actually been looking at the news lately and since before/during the election?? This is the most tone-deaf and ridiculous thing I've read!!!

"Some employees, students, and their families in PUSD tell us they are feeling disproportionately disenfranchised, unsupported, and in some cases, threatened."

Really? Was there a police report filed or is PUSD now in a position to hear and rule on criminal acts? I don't believe this for one second! Either put up a case with redacted names or else be called on your "alternative facts".


These are just a few of the more egregious examples of this ridiculous letter from PUSD on the KTVU website.

Un-freaking-believable!

I was a tepid supporter of the district, even though they have been screwing up more and more, but this has completely turned me off!

I'd love for Patrick Gannon or someone from the "Educational Services Team" be interviewed by the PW regarding this topic and letter because this is completely UNACCEPTABLE behavior from these elected and non-elected people!

Sincerely,

Dan



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Posted by Jake Waters
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 30, 2017 at 8:36 pm

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@DKHSK

Well said. I could not agree more with your comments. Mainstream media only has themselves to blame. Not until they become 'fair and balanced,' will they ever begin to draw viewers back to their stations.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 30, 2017 at 9:39 pm

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I think it's fair to say that many people (not naming names Pete) will choose to believe what they want even when presented with the facts.

I watched the story about PUSD on Fox and didn't find it controversial or newsworthy. PUSD simply did not want the inauguration to be shown LIVE and for good reason. Predident Trump is known for being unpredictable, immoral, hateful and divisive which can be very upsetting to some children. So I think it was a good call to tell the teachers to wait and see how the inauguration goes before showing it to students. Fortunately, Mr Trump refrained from his usual hateful and divisive rhetoric for the inauguration. So it turned out to be safe for children.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jan 30, 2017 at 10:08 pm

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Isn't 'fair and balanced' in the eye of the reader? Pick any one media outlet; sometimes they get it right; other times not. I read more than one source to get balance, according to my personal ideology.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 31, 2017 at 9:05 am

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@ Kathleen Ruegsegger: There is a distinct difference between "occasionally Getting it wrong" and intentionally lying to the public to promote an agenda.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jan 31, 2017 at 9:22 am

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Sanity, of course! But if you are not trusting just one source for information, you can usually spot the b.s.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 31, 2017 at 9:43 am

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But a group of BS'rs doesn't guaranty authenticity....there is a large segment of the media that continually presents falsehoods as facts, covers up actual facts, doctors photographs, edits video and audio to promote a false narrative and more. The fact that many outlets are doing it in no way suggests innocence. And, the people in large part buy it.....so now you have large segments of the population believing false stories. We have media, celebrities and elected officials actively promoting violence based on false narratives...does one not see the danger here?


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 31, 2017 at 9:45 am

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@Alternative facts: this is a good name for you, as this is what you posses. Alternative facts, as in contrary to actual facts.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 31, 2017 at 9:49 am

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@Alternative facts: My apologies, that was rude....but accurate.
To say those things about our president who is simply trying to protect Americans is just BS. The very kind of BS I have been talking about....it fits that false narrative I was talking about.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 31, 2017 at 9:55 am

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"unpredictable", not really. He is doing what he said he would do.
Thank God we finally have a president who will.

"immoral", That's just hogwash. Not even worth a reply.

"hateful", again, hogwash. He is protecting Americans. Sorry you don't approve.

and "divisive" It is the left who are promoting this, he said over and over he wants to unite america, but the left is too busy being the hateful and divisive segment that they accuse him of being. The hypocrisy runs deep here dude...


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jan 31, 2017 at 10:20 am

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Well, I guess I need to know who you think the bs'rs are. I don't read Buzzfeed or Huffington Post or Breitbart or Fau(o)x news. PBS Newshour (not Judy Woodruff though), David Brooks, and Mark Shields are good. I listen to NPR if I'm not listening to a book. I have a few news feeds, and I have the time and interest to dig into things further. There's the WSJ, The Economist, The Atlantic, CATO. I am a big fan of many celebrities, but not for political news.

I don't think any one media source holds the monopoly on the truth. It probably lives among the shades of gray between the left and the right.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 31, 2017 at 1:35 pm

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Kathleen,

"I don't read...or Fau(o)x news".

Emphasis on 'Fau(o)x' news.

Right there is where you lost all credibility wrt to the type of information you deem worthy. And it'll be lost on you why.

And to be followed up by NPR is a special tell too...

Always fun Kathleen.



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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 31, 2017 at 2:13 pm

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Sanity. Yes, I feel so much safer knowing that Trump is protecting us from all those grannies and MIT students that were almost ready to bake cookies and go to school in the US. Good thing he put a stop to that. I'm also glad that Mr Trump is finally listening to Isis and making their dream of a Christians - Muslims war a reality. It's about time. My defense stocks were taking a beating under Obama especially towards the end when the Isis was on the run. Isis is sure to get a good boast from Trump's executive orders and so are my defense stocks. Raytheon and I thank you from the bottom of our pocket books.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jan 31, 2017 at 3:00 pm

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Dan, yup, I don't give any credibility to Fox News. And NPR is only one source. I mentioned others. And even then I will do my own research. So you think it's a tell, but you'd be wrong.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 31, 2017 at 4:53 pm

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@Alternative facts: spoken like a true liberal...you know, that's why you guys lost. No connection with reality. Or was it Russia? Or was it (pin the blame on whoever/whatever)...the fact that your party is utterly corrupt and lawless? Your rant is as pointless as it is ridiculous. But you don't care. You're a liberal, the only facts that matter are the ones you make up. Keep doing what you're doing, it guarantees us another 8 years.
Then when the country is all straightened out, you'll credit Obama for it. You guys effed up the country, our health care, significantly worsened the middle east, the list goes on and on. Do us all a favor and sit back, relax and let the adults handle things for ma change. Now there's a change you can believe in! Of course, you'll fire back at me for telling the truth....but Trump will still be president, and he'll still fix this, and you'll still benefit from it, and you'll still bitch about it. Some things just never change.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 31, 2017 at 11:03 pm

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Sanity. I'm sorry my facetious comments made it difficult for you to understand the point I was try to make. So let me make it as clear as I can. Isis is trying to start a war between Muslims and Christians. That's an undeniable fact. Trumps recent executive actions are furthering that narrative, effectively confirming what Isis has been trying to convince Muslims all along, that the US doesn't care about Muslims and they will be better off joining forces with Isis.

There is no evidence that the current vetting process is missing potential terrorist and absolutely no reason to put a 3 month hold on Muslims entering the country. However, it is a fact that this has created a great deal of fear, anxiety and anger from the thousands of people this has impacted, their loved ones (many of whom are US citizens) and of course from US citizens who actually have empathy (something you are clearly lacking).

I can further guarantee that Mr Trump has with a stroke of his pen, doubled the size of Isis and put a huge dent in the relationship we have with those Muslim majority countries, several of which are key allies in our fight against the terrorist you fear so much. So, no, I don't feel any safer. In fact, I feel much less safe because I know that the risk of a home grown terrorist has just increased 10 fold.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Feb 1, 2017 at 8:54 am

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@Alternative facts: Isis has grown exponentially under the culture of Appeasement, so I don't think many have faith in that failed strategy.
There is an old saying: "George Washington didn't make friends with the British; He killed them". Isis has brazenly announced that they are infiltrating the refugee flow to move fighters into America, (The vast majority of them are fighting age men with no women and children-we've seen what they are capable of in Europe) what fools would do nothing and allow more slaughter of our people on our own soil? Weren't the Tarnov brothers refugees? Radical Islamic violence is on the rise here in our country and we would be fools to just let them in. In my line of work (Hi tech) there are people from all over the globe, good educated people. Those folks are welcome, but people who want to do us harm? No. There has to be a way of filtering out the bad apples....but letting them flood our country in the name of political correctness is just suicide.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 1, 2017 at 12:53 pm

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Sanity. Do you know anything at all about the present vetting process for refugees? Of course not. You are filled with hatred and disgust for something you know absolutely nothing about. I encourage you to do a little research and find out exactly how thoroughly refugees are vetted. I think you will find that Trump is not doing such a great service for you after all.

Of course Trump doesn't care about public safety. He only cares about tooting his own horn and he knows this is the perfect way to do that. He can say "I'm so great. I'm helping to keep America safe just like I promised" even though there absolutely nothing wrong with present vetting process. He also knows that his supporters are too dump to recognized he has done absolutely nothing to improve public safety yet still blindly heap praise for finally doing something. Yes, there is one thing I can say Trump has honed well in his years of doing buisness. He is a master at manipulating people.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Feb 1, 2017 at 1:23 pm

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@Alternative facts: Apparently you have no intention of being serious so I am going to have to disengage. You are just another sore loser throwing stones and it's tiresome. Like I said, sit back and relax while we do what your guys couldn't and wouldn't do.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2017 at 10:29 am

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Sanity. I wish this was a comedy. If Trump presidency was a comedy, I'd be laughing my head off. It reminds me of a scene from a comedy I saw, Spinal Tap. Did you see it? In it, a Spinal Tap band member said, "Our amplifier's volume knob goes to 11. That's one higher than 10. So it's better than all those other bands who have amplifiers that only go to 10". The interviewer responds, "But is it louder?" The band member responds in apparent confusion, "What do you mean? Of course it's louder, the volume knob goes to 11. Everyone else's only goes to 10."

Trumps says, "We are going to do extreme vetting, even more than thorough." Reporter asks, "But is it going to make us safer?" Trump responds, "What do you mean? Of course it will, it's extreme vetting. That's even better than thorough."

See the analogy? I'd be laughing my head off if this were a comedy.


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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Feb 2, 2017 at 11:43 am

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@Alternative facts: Here's a news flash for you, The clown show was fired by the American people. You lost both houses and the executive branch. You got no room to criticize anything. If you morons were worth a hill of beans you'd still be in office....but you're not. Giving us your failed ideas just reaffirms what we already know. The Liberal agenda has failed the American people. Spouting it off isn't making you look any brighter dude.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2017 at 1:45 pm

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Sanity. And before you start touting how beneficial Trump's actions on NAFTA are going to be for the American worker, here is some factual info on it for you. Web Link. Republican George Bush first signed the agreement in 1992. It was ratified by congress and signed into law the following year by Bill Clinton. Let me quote a very informative excerpt from the report.

"The political debate surrounding the agreement was divisive with proponents arguing that the agreement would help generate thousands of jobs and reduce income disparity in the region, while opponents warned that the agreement would cause huge job losses in the United States as companies moved production to Mexico to lower costs. In reality, NAFTA did not cause the huge job losses feared by the critics or the large economic gains predicted by supporters. The net overall effect of NAFTA on the U.S. economy appears to have been relatively modest, primarily because trade with Canada and Mexico accounts for a small percentage of U.S. GDP. However, there were worker and firm adjustment costs as the three countries adjusted to more open trade and investment among their economies"

So it was negotiated by a Republican president and signed into law by Democrats. It has not resulted in huge US economic gains, nor has it resulted in huge US job losses. However, it has been very beneficial to Mexico and may have accelerated some US job loss that would have eventually been lost due to market forces. Now it is being touted by Trump as the "Worst trade deal ever." But would tearing it up bring back jobs? Probably not. Companies will just move operations to the next cheapest place.

Is this a ploy Trump is using to get Mexico to pay for the wall so he will be able to toot his own horn again? Perhaps, Mexico will definitely suffer if NAFTA is torn up. Either way it goes, it's a win win for Trump. If they don't agree to pay for the wall and Trump tears up NAFTA, he will be able to toot his own horn saying, "See, I'm the champion of the American worker" even though at best this will just slow down the loss of US manufacturing jobs.

What should be done? First of all, nothing drastic. If Mexico's economy were better, there would be no need to build a wall. A wall provides no economic benefit for anyone other than the companies constructing the wall. After it's done, it just an eyesore on an otherwise beautiful part of the country.

Perhaps Democrats dropped the ball when they ratified NAFTA without adding provisions that would help workers impacted by the accelerated shifting of jobs as a result of NAFTA. It's certainly not too late for that, but I seriously doubt it will happen under a Trump presidency. He would, after all, loose out on a great win win scenario for tooting his own horn.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 2, 2017 at 3:43 pm

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Classic!

Alternative facts completely ignores sanity's comment and offers up...NAFTA. Gotta love the cognitive dissonance from him/her.

Sanity is 100% correct.

The Obama administration and the Democrat left - with support from a very compliant media - spent 8 years weaponizing the federal government and all so that someone like Trump can get elected.

NOW, you see guys like Alt News, and Sammy incoherently rambling about whatever pops into their heads.

When the Department of Justice used Operation Choke Point to target legal businesses because they disagreed politically with those businesses, the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama Justice Department sent millions of dollars of taxpayer monies to sanctuary cities that were defying federal immigration law, the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama administration refused to enforce federal immigration laws and unilaterally re-wrote this laws, the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama administration released tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens including rapists and murderers into the general population the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Department of Justice signed off on the Obama administration paying a nearly $2 billion ransom to Iran, contrary to federal law, the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama administration ignored and rewrote provision after provision of Obamacare contrary to the text of the law, the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama administration signed off on illegal recess appointments, that the Supreme Court had to strike down unanimously, the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama administration released five Guantanamo terrorists, without the required notification of Congress, the Democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama administration promised that we could keep our doctors, yet the opposite happened, the democrats and media were silent!

When the Obama administration told us that a video tape initiated the killing of the Ambassador to Libya, yet told insiders that it was terrorists, the Democrats and media were silent!

You guys had your chance to complain about lawlessness and decorum described above and you blew it! What you did do was wake up a vast swath of people who usually don't say anything about their politics, or at best, are polite and tolerant when you go on these ridiculous screeds.

You keep playing with the tigers tale and soon enough, the tiger is going to swat you down. And by the looks of what happened at Berkley last night, the swatting may be coming sooner than you want.

Blah blah that, Sammy!

Dan



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Posted by sanity
a resident of Mohr Park
on Feb 2, 2017 at 4:06 pm

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That's what Liberals do Dan, they lie and deny. Why address the facts when it only pokes holes in their arguments when they can change the subject instead or call someone a racist or whatever other ridiculous red herring they can throw to skirt the issues.
I said it before and I'll say it again: If Democrats were doing such a bang up job they'd have all 3 branches of government, but they don't. The last time they did that they screwed everything up. So they are out...and thank God they are. Now all that's left is to throw stones and ignore facts. Whatever. Meanwhile, things are getting fixed and frankly, the fact they they hate it is all the more reason to believe the right things are finally being done. Eff 'em I say.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 2, 2017 at 5:59 pm

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Sanity,

Yeah, I've been dealing with these lib guys/gals for probably 7 or so years now, first as "Formerly Dan" then DKHSK when they changed over to the new registration.

They will NEVER provide any comment on the issues I posted above. Their defense of the last administrations and democrats consists of the usual hemming and hawing and moral equivalence. They still don't understand how they lost all those elections throughout the US.

Let's hope they NEVER figure it out, eh?

Dan




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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2017 at 6:52 pm

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"... someone like Trump can get elected. "

Still boggles my mind. I would have preferred pretty much any of the other candidates.

I hope he doesn't screw things up. But then I hoped Obama would sort out the mess in the financial sector.


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Posted by DKHSK
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Feb 2, 2017 at 9:42 pm

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BobB,

Yep, someone like Trump.

He hasn't screwed things up yet.

Slightly off topic, I'm not glad we have radicals causing $100k damages to UC Berkley that the taxpayer has to cover, and I hope Trump pulls their funding. I really do.

If the University cannot guarantee free speech then screw them, its their fault.



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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2017 at 10:02 am

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BobB, I couldn't agree more. Boggles the mind how anyone could support someone as mean and cruel as Trump. Of course, a similar thing happened in Germany in the 1940s. In those days, the justification was that this is just natural selection and Germans are the superior race.

Fortunately, good won out over evil in the end in large part because the US welcomed people fleeing the persecution of the Nazi's. Perhaps the most famous is Einstein, without whom we would never have been able to develop the atomic bomb.

Anyway, I like Arnold Schwarzenegger's idea. Trump and Arnold should switch places. Trump can stick to doing reality shows and be as mean and cruel to the contestants as he wants. Arnold can run the country. Then everyone can go back to sleep.

If I had the opportunity to vote for Arnold over Trump, I would have done it in a heartbeat.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2017 at 10:36 am

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Sanity. BTW, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal. I just know the difference between right and wrong.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2017 at 2:17 pm

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Dan says "When the Department of Justice used Operation Choke Point to target legal businesses because they disagreed politically with those businesses, the Democrats and media were silent!"

Alternative facts responds "Operation Choke Point was intended to put a stop to predatory lending practices and fraud like charging someone 2000% interest for a payday loan. Who would have guessed it's mostly republicans that are doing that?"

Dan says, "When the Obama Justice Department sent millions of dollars of taxpayer monies to sanctuary cities that were defying federal immigration law, the Democrats and media were silent!"

Alternative facts responds "What federal immigration laws are you talking about? All cities must comply with federal law. However, cities only enforce civil law, not federal immigration law. This is a good thing because no peaceful civil law abiding person should fear the local police. Otherwise, crime would skyrocket because criminals would take advantage of all the people who are afraid to go to the local police for help. In additional, an otherwise civil law abiding person might decide to take the law into their own hands if they feel they have no other option."

Stay tuned for the rest of my responses when I have time.


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Posted by DKHSK
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on Feb 3, 2017 at 6:12 pm

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Posted by Alternative facts
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on Feb 4, 2017 at 3:23 pm

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Dan, I've never heard about Operation Choke Point before you mentioned it. However, after further investigation, it appears the controversy was related to if the DOJ and FDIC has the authority to cut off capital (i.e. loans) from companies that they believe are in violation of federal law without judicial order. There was also accusations that some companies were targeted for other reasons (i.e. gun control reasons) and not for violating of federal law.

There's definitely similarity between this and what Trump is doing. However, the DOJ and FDIC stopped doing this in 2015 presumably because they realized that cutting off access to capital without due judicial process was indeed overstepping their authority.


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Posted by Alternative facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 6, 2017 at 10:16 am

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As for why the media didn't make a bigger deal about operation choke point and why the public didn't take notice, I can only presume it had something to do with the fact that the president wasn't making hateful, divisive, incendiary remarks about this operation.

Dan says, "When the Obama administration refused to enforce federal immigration laws and unilaterally re-wrote this laws, the Democrats and media were silent!"

Alternative facts responds: I assume Dan's talking about deferred action (i.e. not deporting) undocumented immigrants who were brought here as children, grew up here and often don't know their native language. Well, the media did publicize this and Obama didn't rewrite the laws. The laws still stand. Obama just choose to defer action with the hope that Congress can come up with a solution to the issue which I think most people who have an ounce of empathy will agree is simply not right. It is immoral to deport someone who for all practical purposes are as American as you and I, rip them apart from their family and send them to a land they know nothing of for no fault of their own. You would have to be a heartless brute to support deporting these kids and young adults.


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