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City Council to hold special meeting at 6 p.m. tonight on tennis park expansion

Mayor halts start of construction work as neighbors object to planned removal of 4 trees

The Pleasanton City Council has called a special meeting for 6 p.m. tonight to look again at plans to build two additional lighted tennis courts at the Pleasanton Tennis and Community Park.

The meeting is being held after a group of residents from nearby homes protested the removal of grass and four trees next to the park's 10 tennis courts at Valley Avenue and Hopyard Road to accommodate two new courts.

The 2014 Parks and Recreation Master Plan identified the need for two additional lighted tennis courts at the tennis park. The council will re-consider whether to move forward with an already approved project or pursue alternatives.

After the protests, Mayor Jerry Thorne ordered a halt to construction of the new courts because of the protests.

Protesters said they had no advanced warning of the project which is part of a master plan approved by the City Council in 1985.

Two years ago, the Parks and Recreation Commission identified the need for two additional lighted tennis courts and, subsequently, a capital improvement allocation was created to build them.

Due to a number of factors, the project was put on hold until this year, with the City Council approving a construction contract March 4.

Callander designed the two new tennis courts to be located in a large turf area that was identified as a location for the courts in the master plan. The courts would be consistent in design with the existing courts with the same type of fencing, screening, equipment, access and north/south orientation. The difference is that the courts will include drought tolerant landscaping and irrigation around them.

Lighting for the new courts also will be cost- and energy-saving LED, with plans to upgrade all court lighting to LED at a later date.

The project that was scheduled to start Monday would have taken 70 working days to complete with the two new courts scheduled to open in October.

Tuesday night's meeting will held in Council Chambers, located at 200 Old Bernal Ave.

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Posted by Keep the trees
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 25, 2016 at 3:44 pm

There is no way that those mature shade trees should be chopped down. It is disappointing that the city has no regard for the residents or nature. Surely there must be a location in that park or the Ken Mercer park across the street to put two courts without cutting down trees.

The city also tried to put a winter ice skating rink in the park on first street without notifying anyone. They even had the audacity to zone a private residence on Vervais as a park without even telling the owners of the house about it. They tried to sell it, but couldn't.

I never see the Ken Mercer park occupied to capacity. Why can't the courts go there or some other location where there are no trees? Also almost a half million dollars for two courts is absurd. Are they paving the courts with some sort of high price gemstone mix like emeralds? A slab of concrete, a few poles and a couple of nets with a fence does not cost half a million dollars. Get real.


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Posted by Bjrorn Macenroe
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 25, 2016 at 4:25 pm

So a mob shows up with a camera crew and the mayor cancels court construction that has been part of the city plan for years just because they didn't know about it? Screw them build the dang courts.

Pleasanton chose not to build tennis courts at the new park at Bernal. Instead they built multiple softball,football and soccer fields. The tennis community brought this up during the planning stage of the new park at Bernal. Expanding two more courts at the tennis center was part of the solution. (a weak solution from the tennis community's perspective)

So what are you going to do now Jerry? Build some courts at the Bernal Park? Probably not. The tennis community gets screwed again. Show some leadership. Are you gonna back down just because a bunch of mom's show up with signs with their bratty kids?

Ok so I guess the tennis gang should show up with their rackets and stop construction of the football field at the new Bernal Park.



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Posted by Bill
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 25, 2016 at 5:07 pm

No need to bulldoze a bunch of uneducated protestors. It won't hurt anyone to halt the project for a couple of days until the city can show these folks the road map that didn't matter to them, until it did. Then the city can build it in a week or so, or may realign it to save a tree, or keep it the same but plant or move a tree. I think the city can work it out.


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Posted by N. Krakauer
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jul 25, 2016 at 5:10 pm

Sounds like a lot of racket over a couple of tennis courts. I guess the score right now is Love-Hate instead of Love-Love. Now the protestors will probably take it to court. I prefer courts where you can exercise your rights and your body at the same time. I hope my fellow tennis players will unite and come out swinging. It's a great game - you protestors should try it - it relieves a lot of stress for people of all ages. There are a lot of net benefits. Hopefully the Pleasanton leaders won't drop the ball and will make sure the tennis courts get built!! You can put one in my yard if you'd like!!


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Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 25, 2016 at 5:37 pm

Here we go again. Nimbys will collect signatures and get another measure onto the ballot at the expense of the taxpayers. Maybe the Measure K liars or Bill Wheeler can give some advice about how to further their own self interest at the expense of everyone else. I don't play tennis and have no interest in seeing trees cut down. However, if these neighbors pay no attention to what is going on, and the notices that they have all been given, they have no right to protest it now. Don't want houses, Costcos, tennis courts, or whatever your gripe is, in your neighborhood then buy a couple hundred acres and put up a fence.


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Posted by Jeff C
a resident of Val Vista
on Jul 25, 2016 at 8:37 pm

I like tennis, a temporary renter, and from Indiana where space to build is everywhere. This wouldn't be an issue as our parks green space area dwarf the recreational courts That isn't the case in Pleasanton and I get it. The real issue is that green space is very valuable, small and limited already. Buildings, Concrete, playground equipment, parking areas, and basketball courts surround less grass and trees than the combined areas occupy. I truly feel the meaning has been lost that this is about saving the grassy area and trees for those that throw footballs, play some soccer, or run through the grass with their dogs. An outdated plan should be reviewed for current demand. Is it really there and is this the Best location?


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Posted by Bjorn Macenroe
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 25, 2016 at 9:45 pm

N. Krakauer

Any way you SLICE it, it is the best location for new courts.
We have been LOBbying for years but they won't LET us AD them.
I would like to see them built with no STRINGS attached.


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Posted by NIMBY
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 7:55 am

We need the green area more than we need a couple of tennis courts. 8 courts are plenty and they are often empty anyway. So no new courts in my backyard please. For those who want new tennis courts for your own pleasure, please petition for one in your own neighborhood park.


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Posted by Map
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 8:58 am

How about reducing Owens at willows by the Bart station down to 1 lane going westbound like they did on eastbound lanes, build a couple tennis courts there, no trees to cut down and it would balance out the traffic flow in both directions making it a double cluster!!who are these city planners and where are the people that used to care about this town??


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a resident of Pleasanton Valley

on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:18 am

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Posted by Del Prado resident
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:19 am

To the person from Vintage hills, maybe wants the courts up near him in his local park?
We are people who live in the neighborhood and we walk and use the park daily. We would be loosing valuable green space which is very valuable. That space is used by neighborhood children's Birthday parties, Soccer, rugby and just catching a ball. We use it to walk our pets and just to sit in the shade. Koll center worker's come over and eats picnic lunches.
I walk by daily and the courts are often empty. Another point is that Pleasanton doesn't even run these courts. We are building them with our tax dollars and then rented to an outside company who profits from our tax dollars.
We are not against the courts, But we would like them in another area of the park.


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Posted by Scott Walsh
a resident of Bordeaux Estates
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:27 am

Destined to lay concrete or build something on every open spot in the city. The city hangs residents who might cut down a so called "Heritage Tree" on their own property but ok mowing down so called "Heritage Trees" on Public Property. Welcome to the new San Fernando Valley.


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Posted by Common Sense
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:40 am

This city has grown significantly since 1985. In fact, this city's demographic has changed dramatically in the past 10 years I've lived here. The number of new houses has also skyrocketed in recent years. So, implementing plans that were drafted over 30 years ago is ludicrous, and frankly, stupid! We need to revisit and amend those plans to fit our neighborhood's current and future needs. This has nothing to do with "NIMBY" or what not but it is about what makes the most sense for the residents of Pleasanton. With the ever-increasing number of houses and population, we need to preserve more green space instead of adding more concrete. Tennis courts are a luxury that our residents do not want or need, especially when our existing courts are not always fully occupied.

Kudos to our mayor for halting the construction to allow time for more discussions.


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Posted by Embarrased
a resident of Foxborough Estates
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:42 am

Pleasanton has become the ultimate drawbridge community. No regard for the master plan and didn't attend city planning meetings etc.... and then show up to stop the project. There is no reason whatsoever for delay of this project. The tree's are not native and were planted by the city. NIMBY is the norm for our once fantastic city. Now tear downs are "historic" because they are old.


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Posted by Del Prado Resident
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:55 am

I doubt the protesters did not know the park is called the "Pleasanton Tennis Park". Where else should have have an abundance of Tennis courts if not at the "Tennis Park"?

The Tennis Park isn't a neighborhood park, it's a community park. The neighborhood park is "Del Prado Park" which also has a nice play structure and open space area.


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Posted by Rick
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:05 am

I agree this is getting ridiculous. Not only have the tennis courts been on the master plan for over 20 years but they were discussed earlier this year. Let's put them on the ballet along with Bill Wheeler's initiative. That way we can make things up and don't have to deal with facts. Better yet people who don't even live in the City like Mr. Wheeler can help us decide.


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Posted by Del Prado
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:05 am

Some people are insinuating that our neighbors are ignorant of facts. That is because the town sent post cards to people who love 500 feet away on Friday.That was maybe 3 houses.
Where were these meeting that only the tennis players seemed to know about becasue none of the Del Prado Residents knew?

No one knew about the construction before that. It was in the old master plan, but do any of you know what maybe slatted for your neighborhood in the master Plan? They just slapped up the fence and proceed to build it.

We are overbuilding here. Every green space seems to have some construction on it. We are going to become like San Jose. Is that what we want in general? Our planet is getting hotter and hotter and we are adding more concrete. It just sounds wrong to me.


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Posted by Del prado
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:17 am

Web Link

How about this one? WE tore down tennis courts in 2001.


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:26 am

How is it that a few uninformed people can assert such change. I've lived here 22 years and have been a user of these courts. When the land in that corner of Paseo Santa Cruz was upgraded to hills, trees and the basketball courts, we all knew there was a plan for future expansion. The city did a beautiful job of adding outdoor rec services as well as making a beautiful and usable park. I no longer play tennis but love the idea of continuing with the plan. There will continue to be plenty of grass mounds to relax upon.

Regarding the trees? See if the problem of removal can be mitigated. Otherwise, move on with park development and plant more trees!

This if for the good of the whole ocmmunity, not just NIMBY's!


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:28 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Transparency is a tough nut to crack. There are laws about posting agendas (mostly 72 hours ahead of a meeting, which includes weekends) for the city council, commissions, school board, but I don't think the general citizenry pays attention. No blame; busy lives and mostly routine business. However, there should be more "advertising" about the bigger topics and much sooner. Staff knows well in advance what agendas will be; simple enough to get a press release out to the media a week or more in advance and for the press to cover the hot topics. Otherwise, one would think that participatory government is not the goal. Referendums on every little thing is the costly result.


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Posted by John
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:32 am

I use the tennis facilities quite often and it is nice to have tennis courts close by. Pleasanton sure has a shortage of FREE public tennis courts and in order to shake down tennis players they make sure that no more tennis courts will be built anywhere else.
Half a million seems excessive for 2 courts. I think the major issue here are floodlights which will be a nuisance for the homes around the park.
Does anyone know if the current management company has been running the facility profitably? If not, then it is a waste of taxpayers money.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 11:11 am

It is ok to build new tennis courts but they should been built in some other places, not right beside the kids playground! City insists they are in the master plan back in 1985 - which is more than 30 years ago! It is so outdated and should be revisited. Furthermore, why is it so expensive to build two tennis courts? The average price to build a tennis court is only about $60k-$80! The tennis courts they build is actually using our tax money for lifetime tennis and they give back some profits to the city and they are not free to use for Pleasanton residents! So basically, it is for lifetime tennis to make more money!


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Posted by david caldwell
a resident of Golden Eagle
on Jul 26, 2016 at 11:16 am

Trees should be the LAST thing removed in any new development/park....replacing with new trees cannot be the reason for removing them....Trees are NOT Buildings...replacements are years in the making....
I'm happy that Mayor Thorne stepped up to stop this, even if for only enough time to form a plan that will work for the community that actually uses the park...


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Posted by Micheal
a resident of Donlon Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 11:39 am

We definitely need more Free courts or city can spend more money to repair and maintain those old free tennis courts. We don't need two more courts to be built in a well developed park which already has 10 courts. During most of the daytime half of the courts are empty. City should build new courts in some other area. They should do more research and listen to more people's opinions instead of following some 1985's grandma plan.


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Posted by Wilson
a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 am

Let people around the park to determine their park! It may not be easy to make a decision, but it's definitely harder to live with the decision!


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Posted by Lei
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 11:44 am

I'm not against adding two new tennis court for Pleasanton residents if the need is there, but the construction location is NOT the right place !! 1985 master plan is out dated, in 1995 May 9, the City Council has approved Concept C as the Amended Master Plan and become effective immediately. In the document it's clearly stated "Removal of the two tennis courts to allow more program flexibility", 1995 master plan change was approved after 3 public hearings, neighbors were invited to the public hearing. Now if these two courts are needed to add back in 2014 city master plan, why the city didn't follow the same process ?

I agree Pleasanton might need more tennis courts for the residents, but it should be FREE, so my question is 1) why these two courts need to be built in Tennis park which is not free 2) why the tennis courts need to be built right beside the Children's play ground which causes the safety concern and street parking issues, not to mention the beauty of the green field will be completely ruined.

Do we have other resolutions ??


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Posted by Micheal
a resident of Donlon Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 11:48 am

Web Link Check this , this is where our taxpayers money goes to.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 26, 2016 at 12:00 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Different problem and pool of money Michael. Overcrowded high schools. Not a bike oriented or bike friendly transportation corridor.


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Posted by neighbor
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 12:02 pm

Hello fellow Neighbors in town.

I would like to make it clear to all our you who live in town.

Del Prado residents are not against the tennis courts at all. We are just objecting to the placements of the courts. We just wants them placed differently in the park away from the Homes on Valley. We want them away from our grassy area that is adjacent to the play structure. Its the most USED and loved green area in the park.
They are way to close to homes. The flood lights will be in peoples living rooms.Let alone ping, ping noise in your living room. It's takes away our green area that is used DAILY. Would you like a commercial enterprise in your front yard.
There are other areas in the park that should be considered. The reason that area was chosen was because the construction company found the grading easier. That is what we were told. Really? is that a reason to loose the most loved green area in the park.
Its not about trees solely as mayor Thorne said, or maybe there was some mis communication. It's just the placement of the new courts.


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Posted by Micheal
a resident of Donlon Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 12:18 pm

There is person mentioned there is park named del prado park which is better to fit the kids. Do you know that's a park without public restroom and do you know how big is del prado community? Do you want your kids run 15 minutes to home just for pee? I believe you may have no such issues since you must live very close to del prado park.


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Posted by Heritage trees matter
a resident of Alisal Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 12:57 pm

Thank you to the Del Prado group for standing strong and asking for new courts to be designed around the trees vs. just cutting the tress down since that may have been easier.

The city should do a better job of protecting our healthy heritage trees at all costs and not just bulldoze them down to make room for every new development. This unfortunately seems to be the new trend. Our large shade trees make Pleasanton special and they provide necessary shade for our hot summers. I would think shade is more important than ever when playing tennis in the summer.


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Posted by PTownVoter
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 26, 2016 at 1:05 pm

No more damn tennis courts! Keep the established trees and green areas, that park is for the whole community not just the teni$$ folks.


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Posted by local
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jul 26, 2016 at 1:17 pm

Are the tennis courts at our schools open to the public? I know they used to be and there were tennis courts on the school district property that were a joint use with the city but those were removed.


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Posted by Elementary teacher
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 26, 2016 at 2:25 pm

WOW, $ 468,558 for two new tennis courts?! I don't know our city is so generous and rich. I would prefer the money go to my students for 1200 computers.


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Posted by Tennis and Community Park community member
a resident of Donlon Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 2:46 pm

Tennis & Community Park is a tennis park, but it is also a COMMUNITY Park. One of the role of Tennis Park is to provide tennis courts service for a fee, but the more importantly role of Tennis Park is to better serve the community.

Please come and visit Tennis park and "the Green area" that is in danger to be replaced after your dinners during some of these hot summer evenings and see in your own eyes how "the Green area" is the center of all the busy and lively activities evolving in this community.

We don't argue there could be needs for two additional tennis courts, however, we strongly feel that our community will be deprived of what we cherish if they are going to be built on "the Green area".




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Posted by resident
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 4:02 pm

Why do we want to spend half million on just two more admission-with-fee only tennis courts that majority of Pleasanton residents don't really need? Don't even mention it is at the cost of heritage trees, green open space for children and residents to play and picnic and more. Come on, do we really have no better usage of our tax payers money? How about our underfunded public school? Half million can really bring a lot more benefits than just two tennis courts!!


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Posted by Pleasanton Resident
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 4:06 pm

It is unreasonable to expect the Del Prado home owners to be aware of every City Council agenda topic. That is why we have elected officials, to represent us.

How was this brought to a vote and approved unanimously without a single council member asking if (1) proper notifications were sent in the neighborhood and (2) input was received or solicited from outside of the tennis community?

Let's preserve this park - as it is used today and not as it was planned 30 years ago - for the people who walk, bike, scooter and skate there. Those that come to play tennis in their cars can easily drive to another location.

Also, let's remember that the existing tennis courts are EMPTY A MAJORITY OF THE TIME!


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Posted by Bjorn Macenroe
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 4:52 pm

The nimby's are saying "the courts are often empty" when they stroll by on a Monday at noon on a hot summer day.

Groundbreaking observation.

By the same token the freeways are deserted at 2 am. Did you notice that they get crowded during commute hours? Are you advocating that we remove interstate 680 because no one uses it late at night?
Of course not that doesn't make any sense right?

Right.

The courts are packed on evenings and weekends and getting a court is next to impossible. Build the courts already


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Posted by fact finder
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jul 26, 2016 at 4:53 pm

Web Link

Above is a link to see how many public tennis courts are in town. There seem to be a lot.


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Posted by Lynn
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jul 26, 2016 at 4:56 pm

I play tennis as well, but most time I play at those free courts in other parks. Instead of building two more fee-based courts, maybe the city should spend the half million on repairing and maintaining existing free tennis courts? If there is truly an issue of over-capacity at those fee-admission courts at Tennis Park, has the city explored the option of keeping those tennis courts open to Pleasanton residents only, NOT to residents from San Ramon or Dublin?


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Posted by Bob Heeter
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Jul 26, 2016 at 5:12 pm

Regarding: "Also, let's remember that the existing tennis courts are EMPTY A MAJORITY OF THE TIME!"

This is not true, at least not during the evening and weekend hours when most people actually want to play tennis.

Pleasanton does need more tennis courts that can be scheduled. I have two boys who have been learning tennis at the Tennis Park for the past 3-4 years, who are really into the sport and would like to play on the high school team. In order to get in extra practice, we have spent a lot of time figuring out how to get scheduled court time after school and on weekends. And except during the rainy winter months, getting courts at the Tennis Park is very challenging, especially if one wants more than a single court (e.g. for a group of kids to hit together, it helps to have a couple of courts). This is also true of the courts at Club Sport (for which a steep membership fee is also required).

As another example of how busy the Tennis Park courts are - the city and school district have made the courts at Amador Valley High School available for several hours on weekends. However, these courts are not being maintained as well, and this impacts the quality of tennis for the high school players. The 2 courts at Pleasanton Middle School are also available to the public into the evenings, along with a handful of courts in other locations (Muirwood, another neighborhood park). However, these are drop-in first-come-first-serve and often busy when you need them. This makes them inappropriate for scheduled practicing.

But despite all this increased court availability, and despite the nominal court fees (kids' price is $5.50 for 45 minutes) the Tennis Park courts are extremely popular.

With all of that said, it does seem surprising that 2 more lighted courts would cost $500K. The current court fees are not high enough to pay off that kind of expense in a reasonable amount of time. On the other hand, Dublin for instance has made a decision to build a large number of public courts and not charge court fees at all.

There's also an argument to be made that Pleasanton might be better off if more courts were distributed more evenly around the town, so less driving is required to get to a court.

But the current Tennis Park is wonderful. It's inspiring for our children to have a nice facility with high-quality lighted courts, high-quality instructors to learn from, and many players to make friends and hit with! Building on such a public good in a sensible way would be a big benefit to the community.


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Posted by Julie
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 26, 2016 at 5:26 pm

@schoolteacher, resident and whoever else still doesn't understand how municipal funding works:

The city $$ and school district $$ are SEPARATE. I'm actually pretty surprised someone who's a teacher in the schools doesn't understand that; no, the city money can't be used for computers in the schools.

Finally, just as an FYI, Karla Brown is touting these two new tennis courts as an done deal achievement on her website for reelection...so someone might want to go talk to her...


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Posted by Keep the trees
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 26, 2016 at 5:44 pm

The trees need to stay at the park and the city needs to spend the money resurfacing the bad tennis courts it has built in other spots in town, The tennis courts are always empty and reservable at the tennis park with the only exception being the one with the ball machine that one must reserve a week in advance.

I am an avid tennis player and unlike many of you know all about the situation in town.

The city maintains the Lighted PMS courts and these need resurfacing. The city needs to put lights at the Owens facility. The city needs to put lights and resurface the courts and regularly clean the Muirwood courts.The city needs to put signs at the parking lot at Stoneridge Creek with parking for park only because people living in their cars are living in vehicles at this location in town. There is a restroom and the parking lot is full most of the time but no one is in the park. Also the Foothill and Amador courts need to be open with no fee and no need to pay money to play tennis there. There should have been a park proposed for Lund Ranch Ii but there wasn't and no developer has been required to build a park as part of its subdivision since Ben Tarver was mayor. Thorne and Hosterman and Pico did nothing in terms of adding neighborhood parks. The developers have gotten developments approved with private parks in Ruby Hill and Ironwood and shutting the public out of these developments. This means that the public gets no amenities just overcrowded schools and traffic gridlock.

if two courts that are lighted need to be put in town repair the old ones first then put them in a park with no trees like at the Ken Mercer or behind Gingerbread across from the post office, not in a park where most of the courts are always empty anyway.


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Posted by Thomas
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jul 26, 2016 at 6:26 pm

We have a shortage of baseball fields, and tennis courts. Instead of so many damn homes to clog our streets with traffic. How about we just make sure the developers concede a few spots to tennis courts and baseball fields.


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Posted by Map
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 6:56 pm

Why are the trees on my property "heritage" trees that I can't cut down but the city can cut down whatever pleases the city planners?? What a waste of money, build those courts somewhere else, how about the new bernal sports park! Keep an eye on the mayor and his cronies once they set a plan in motion there's no stopping them. I'm betting that contractor is being paid money out of our pockets while we wait for the other shoe to drop!!


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Posted by local
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jul 26, 2016 at 8:03 pm

@Map, there are two instances where you can cut down a heritage tree:
1) On city property. They city can do whatever it want.
2) Develop new houses on your property and the city does not care if heritage trees are cut down.

If you are an existing resident, good luck. Even if your tree is a danger to your house or life, the city will not let you cut down the tree.


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Posted by P-town Voters
a resident of Castlewood
on Jul 26, 2016 at 8:27 pm

@local
Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.
Abraham Lincoln"


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Posted by Abraham Lincoln
a resident of Castlewood
on Jul 26, 2016 at 8:30 pm

@local
Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.


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Posted by Elementary teacher
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:14 pm

@Julie
Are you Julie or "Julie"?I am not an elementary teacher, I am a "Elementary teacher".I like your attitude to figure out the $$ of city or the $$ of the school. Don't they both come from tax payers??I am not around the park.But I can not understand why half million for 2 tennis courts instead of for our kids.
Thanks.


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Posted by DelPrado Nester
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm

My family and I live three blocks from the Tennis Park for 16 years now. I have a few thoughts on this matter.

1) The issue really isn't really about trees, this is about proper utilization of our park space. The beautiful grassy area now walled as 'off-limits' is an extremely popular space for all types of gatherings - Family birthday parties, graduations, early AM stretch & meditation gatherings, tot baseball practices, etc. This recreation areas proximity to the kiddy playground was masterfully planned. That area is popular and greatly utilized - the 'people center' of the tennis park.

2) Utilization of existing courts. I walk through the T.P. many times during the week, at various times of day dog walking. I have never observed people in any numbers waiting for court time and so often, I observe many empty courts for long stretches of the day. Can the city share the utilization numbers for the ten existing courts? I have a strong hunch it's nowhere near 100%. Maybe 60%.

3) As said, I walk through this park quite often. Where were the notices, flyers or postings notifying the public about this project? I don't keep a copy of Pleasantons dusty 'general plan'. What other areas of the tennis park were considered for court placement? Why was the entire neighborhood shocked when they found out the reasons for the overnight fencing? I have no proof but it seems some effort was made to keep this plan hush-hush.

4) First let's check into current utilization. I want to hear the rational reasoning from the tennis people. If absolutely necessary (tennis courts?) and the City of Pleasanton has this tax revenue burning a hole in it's pockets, how about putting new courts in that second parking area that is rarely used and awkwardly exits into Valley ave anyways? Destroying the best picnic/social areas in that entire park for more courts is really dumb planning, IMO.


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Posted by Rick
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 26, 2016 at 9:53 pm

First it's a community park that all Pleasanton tax payers fund not just those that live next to it. I would love to have the courts near my house. Second, the subject was discussed extensively at the annual City budget discussion. It was on the agenda. Third I have trouble reserving time even during the day and there are almost always people on the courts. Sure during mid day some are open. I've complained about not having leagues for older players, I'm 69, but they don't have space. It would help if we gave higher preference to usage by Pleasanton residents. I'm sorry if I see the trees as an excuse along the lines of homes being built on the ridges and the heavy traffic that would in inconvenience Bill Wheeler and the manager of the Doubletree but I'll give you credit, at least most of the people discussing this issue probably live and pay taxes in the City.


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Posted by Carol
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:00 pm

In 1985 I was asked to participate on the General Plan Review. Found after attending the first meeting that it was rigged and the city planners just wanted to convenience the citizen participating to go ahead and stamp approval without fully considering input and questions.

Fast forward over 30 years and the dynamics have changed. Higher densities and new construction in our city regardless of extreme water shortages, with burdens being placed on Pleasanton established residents to absorb costs and lack of benefit for taxes paid, and resources, and higher densities means heavier use of services, parks, open spaces, etc.

Why not let the builders that are putting in substantially higher density housing to set aside and have a park, green belt area, lots of trees and tennis courts without using the funds for such. What is the cost to benefit analysis!

How about putting almost 1/2 a million toward street repairs and maintaining what is already here. Valley Avenue between Bernal and Hopyard is a shambles. Repairs prior were not high quality, and there are pot holes that almost swallow up a small car not to mention how it is hazardous and can make a car swerve without knowing it.

Push the cost of the tennis courts to the builders who are making substantial profits from home sales and responsible for improving and keeping the quality of living here, here.



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Posted by DelPrado Nester
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:01 pm

..and by the way, after reading more comments above, seems the tennis players want their court exactly between 4p and 7p and almost anytime on Saturdays. "often busy when you need them.." writes someone above.

So we're talking about building more courts to satisfy a three hour peek demand period? I have trouble with that, especially when the price tag is half a million. Also think about it people - the current placement area for the new courts could not be worse. The city owes residents statistical answers. This current tennis park surprise doesn't seem to be serving the greater good. All right, whose getting paid off here?


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 26, 2016 at 10:14 pm

BobB is a registered user.

I can't believe this isn't a joke. Please tell me this is a joke. It sounds like someone is having us on.

There are really people opposing building two tennis courts in a for any of the ridiculous reasons given?

If not, I have to say that I don't have any respect for the people opposing this.

This is worse than NIMBYism or BANANAism. It is just plain silly.

Wasting the time and money to put something like this on a ballot would be ...

I can't even go on.

You people have to be joking.


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Posted by usage data
a resident of Walnut Hills
on Jul 27, 2016 at 6:11 am

where is the usage data of tennis courts?

I don't think it is hard to get a free court everytime. I have been there couple of times and there were empty courts for me.

Can someone please point out exactly why we need to add two more courts? If the usage pattern shows a sudden spike during weekends or holidays or certain hours of day, will 2 courts alone satisfy such spike? Many tennis lovers may still be left unsatisfied since 2 courts are not enough. At the same time our community loses its beautiful lawn and trees. this would be a classic lose lose situation.

Can a tennis player check the status of courts and book courts online or on the phone? If so we may be able to smooth the usage spike. Also have we thought about extend court hours especially after dark. These would cost much less than half million and can potentially archieve same effect of adding physical courts.

We should find the root cause of the seemingly court shortage, and start from the most cost efficient solutions.


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Posted by Thomas Paine
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Jul 27, 2016 at 8:48 am

@Elementary teacher

Just to clarify, Julie is right. If you own a home then look at your property tax statement.
Property taxes are specifically apportioned to specific public uses;

1. Countywide Tax
2. School Unified
3. School Community College
4. Flood Zone
5. BART
6. East Bay Regional Parks

County/City monies are separate and distinct from School monies and cannot be interchangable.
So, as much as it would be beneficial to get new computers for the Pleasanton schools, that money must come from the School taxes and not taxes alloted to the City of Pleasanton.


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Posted by del prado home owner
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 27, 2016 at 9:09 am

To my fellow neighbor Del Prado Nester,

Nester, TENNIS TIME is profiting from our tax dollars.
They gain the most from our tax dollars. Not us, we loose.

Where are the stats from Tennis Time supporting the need?
AND:
We loose the most valuable green gathering place for our families.

What is the usage of people from other towns using our courts daily?

And as other's people said, Why doesn't the town fix up our already existing courts that the tennis players don't want to use but are already built.
Can Mayor Thorne of the town answer that for us?

Oh, and to others who say its's 100 degrees out and we go look and see empty courts. I own a few dogs and I walk daily. At all hours, early morning, late morning, afternoons. You get it.These courts are mostly empty.
And:
If there is a need to playat times, take off the designated court with the Ball machine.
Open that court at the busiest hours instead of Tennis Time making 14.$$ for 3 45 minutes.
Our schools teams should have free first priority if there is need.
NOT MAKING MONEY FOR TENNIS TIME
hey, just saying.


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Posted by Common Sense
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 am

Build the two new tennis courts on the parking lot that exits onto Valley. It's seldom used and can be put to better use. The cost may also be much less than the half a million allocated for the project so the remaining funds can be used to fix up other tennis courts in the city. It's a win-win-win for everyone.


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Posted by Elementary teacher
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 27, 2016 at 9:58 am

@Thomas Paine
Thank for the clarification --- I never say the money could be interchangeable. As a citizen, same as you, we expect to see our $$ being used properly; the resource belongs to the community not the people who runs the $$. I live in Pleasanton for over 10 years and property tax is just a very small portion I paid to country.


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Posted by Del Prado resident
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:01 am

I live and drive by this area every day and it is rare that the courts are at capacity. Try playing tennis at different hours of the day if you want court access. How much does it cost to rent a court? How much revenue will these extra courts bring in? How long will it take to pay for the $500k and continued maintenance with court fees? If there is too much demand, raise the price. There are better things to do with $500k than build yet more sports facilities - especially for a sport that has waned in popularity since the general plan decided two more courts were warranted. Sorry Tennis players. I understand you all want to play at the same time, but spread it out. There are not enough ice rinks around, so I have to play hockey at 11pm on Saturday in Oakland. Why doesn't the city pay for a rink to make my life more convenient? I will bet you more people skate at Dublin Iceland than use the tennis facilities in Dublin and Pleasanton combined.
Enough is enough with the sports park development. We have more facilities per capita than anywhere I can think of. It is absurd. How would you feel if you were living across the street, and what was once a nice, quiet grass area for kids and families to relax in is now a fenced in slab of concrete, empty most of the time? It would stink.
I am really disenfranchised with the amount of recent development in this city. Where is the water going to come from? What are we going to do about the extra traffic and pollution, and the demand on schools and public services? What happens when the housing bubble bursts, and we are left with a town with ugly high density housing and tri story houses mashed together looming everywhere? I think it is time to clean house and get some people in office that represent long term residents.


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Posted by Correction
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:03 am

Company name is LIFE TIME TENNIS

NOT TENNIS TIME


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:55 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Del Prado, much of the high density housing was required by the state. The school district added an elementary school to their proposed bond only because a handful of people pointed to the 62 portables on TK-5 campuses already. Now those same people will have to push to actually get it built. I think staffs at both entities are not doing enough to collaborate with taxpayer dollars to benefit the community they serve. And elected officials are doing little to force the conversation. We have to show up and be vocal (like the tennis courts) or both the city and district will continue to operate in their separate bubbles.


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 27, 2016 at 11:44 am

BobB is a registered user.

People are bringing up water usage?!!!

I'm guessing the the tennis courts will need less water than the lawn. Just a guess though.

Also, you anti-tennis court people forgot to mention all the crime that the two new courts will bring to Pleasanton!! It must be stopped before we are all robbed/murdered!!


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Posted by Bing
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 27, 2016 at 12:08 pm

Meeting to discuss the new court construction has been re-scheduled for
Tuesday, August 9th, 2016

Please join us for a special meeting scheduled to discuss the construction of two new tennis courts at the Pleasanton Tennis Center.

Meeting will take place at the
City Council Chambers on
Tuesday, August 9th, 2016, at 6:00pm.


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Posted by responsible growth
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 27, 2016 at 12:18 pm

This will cause:
1) Increased traffic
2) Negatively affect air quality
3) Add crime
4) Negatively affect small businesses

Oh I forgot. Were we talking about Costco or tennis courts?


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Posted by Bjorn Macenroe
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Jul 27, 2016 at 5:10 pm

Here is a test question.

Which answer makes least sense?

A group of citizens band together to stop the construction of:

A. A Nuclear Reactor.
B. A fracking operation
C. A strip club
D. A pair of tennis courts in a tennis park


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 27, 2016 at 10:50 pm

@Bjorn - Thanks for your reality check! Exactly! I am just so surprised at the NIMBY-ism going on. This park is NOT highly used but averagely used and the other GREEN park down the road, Del Prado Park, is a huge and wonderful kids and family play area. To take the intent of this Tennis Park (a MULTI-USE park) and try stop more usage is extremely selfish.

"resident" and others, you bought your homes across from a park and now want to restrict development and usage of the park to suit your own needs. That is truly infuriating. I love our neighborhood and the fact that the parks draw us out and about, as well as draw others out. The park is, after all, for everyone's usage.

The original plan, or an appropriately altered plan, for additional development of the park should go forth as PLANNED.


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Posted by Test question
a resident of Ironwood
on Jul 27, 2016 at 11:27 pm

@Bjorn Macenroe
I used to live close to the park, if I remember correctly, the full name of "tennis park" is "Pleasanton Tennis & COMMUNITY Park". [portion removed]


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Posted by Common Sense
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 28, 2016 at 7:30 am

@Bjorn test question: And that's EXACTLY what makes this country THE greatest country in the world! We have the freedom to protest anything that pleases us. IT'S OUR RIGHT! Sorry if you don't like or appreciate that inherited freedom but don't judge others who choose to exercise their rights.


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Posted by David
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jul 28, 2016 at 9:08 am

David is a registered user.

Uh, park priorities are set by public input and participation. The City does not just build it unless the public weighs in. If you live here, you know that. The issue is the surrounding neighbors were asleep and did not get involved even after the workshops and notices were mailed. HELLOOO? There is a cost to the taxpayers now that a design and construction bids were awarded. Id like to know the amount that would be lost if the construction is shelved.


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Posted by Green area lover
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 28, 2016 at 9:47 am

Mary and Bjorn,

Maybe we can put the courts across the street from your houses? Then you can hear ping, ping, ping in your living room all day and have the Flood lights into your bedrooms. Let our town fix up the older tennis courts with the half a million. WE will get better usage out of our taxes dollars and this problem goes away. And thoe courts are free.
How much is LIFETIME TENNIS making off our town?

This park is heavily used. Its' even used by the private School across the street in the summer time for their camp. Also many people use the grassy area for BBQ's.They drive over from the apartments in town. That's is why there is a built in grill there. You want grill smoke hovering around your tennis game? I think Not. Also that green area is used by Tye Tchi group on Wednesday mornings. Older residents who watch their grandchildren at the same time. These are people who actually live here.

People point to Del Prado park. It does not have rest rooms!!!! So it's not used as much.
People who Do not live here really do not have a feel of what is going on in OUR neighborhood daily, so our comments are more accurate.
I have NO idea what goes on up In Vintage hill, or Mohr park or other neighborhoods so don't profess to know what goes on here.

OK??


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Posted by Common Sense
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 28, 2016 at 12:14 pm

The reality of the situation is that Lifetime Tennis should be paying for these courts to be built, not the taxpayers. The tennis program is outsourced to them and they make a million dollars not only on the lesson programs but by controlling Amador Courts. They rent them out to league teams by the hundreds which would be ok if they are Pleasanton residents, but most of the teams have players from all over the place. So as a Pleasanton Taxpayer, I foot the bill for players from other cites to come here and play, while Lifetime tennis makes a mint off it and monopolizes all city courts from open play. It is a total scam. If they need more courts they should pay for them.. They are serving their needs not the cites. If not restrict the teams playing out of the Pleasanton city courts to Pleasanton city residents.


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Posted by Anton
a resident of Rosepointe
on Jul 28, 2016 at 12:46 pm

They should build a Costco there instead of tennis courts.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jul 28, 2016 at 12:57 pm

If you are truly interested, please attend the special session.

This is not a neighborhood park. This is a community park with an emphasis on tennis for the whole of Pleasanton. I suggest tennis players who use the facilities should make their voice heard, regardless your home neighborhood.


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Posted by Tennisfan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 28, 2016 at 1:15 pm

Completely agree with Common Sense comments. My guess is that half the players using these courts do not live in Pleasanton. USTA and East Bay League teams are loaded and captained with players from Brentwood, Fremont, Hayward etc and the reason there is no playing time is because of the over abundance of teams monopolizing the courts. There were 5 Women's 4.0 teams alone this spring and probably only 40% of the rosters were ladies from Pleasnton. I know the court time fee is slightly higher if you do not live in Pleasanton but that is for individual use, not for a team match. I agree with Common Sense - Lifetime Tennis needs to be accountable.


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Posted by DelPrado Nester
a resident of Del Prado
on Jul 28, 2016 at 1:38 pm

Let's all reach for a middle ground here. Commons sense stuff is still possible.

1)I believe most tennis park neighbors are not opposed to 2 more courts, it's the proposed current PLACEMENT of those new courts that has locals scratching our heads. Right smack in the prime picnic/playground area? Really?

2)Residents are owed logical reasons for expansion at this time. Half a million bucks? Where are the Tennis park/ City of P'ton utilization reports? Tennis players above who cry because their court isn't available exactly at 5pm, I have no sympathy for. The expensive lights are there so you can also play at 9pm. Fact is - current ten courts sit EMPTY much of the time by daily observation.

3) LIFE TIME TENNIS should share in construction cost if they will benefit financially from this expansion. Everything I've read on the matter suggests that they do.

4) IF deemed & proven necessary, put the new courts either in the second (largely unused) parking area, -or- tuck them up closer to Hopyard & Valley. Everyone reflect on how this entire park is USED here in 2016. Don't build them in a prime use area simply because that's what the 1985 general plan says. Duh.


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Posted by mac
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 28, 2016 at 3:18 pm

mac is a registered user.

@GreenAreaLover: This is Mary. I chose not buy my house across from a park, but apparently you did. Will you be the new mayor telling us what we can and cannot do at OUR park? I did once live South of Dulles International Airport and had to suffer the constant din of planes. Never did I think I could ask the airport to consider me for having bought a house next to them.

Maybe we can put the courts across the street from your houses? Then you can hear ping, ping, ping in your living room all day and have the Flood lights into your bedrooms. Let our town fix up the older tennis courts with the half a million. WE will get better usage out of our taxes dollars and this problem goes away. And thoe courts are free.
How much is LIFETIME TENNIS making off our town?

I, too, use the grassy area, of which there is plenty. I love that about our parks! And yes, I would enjoy smelling BBQ while playing tennis or doing anything, actually, since I love BBQ. I reminds me of family, friends and good neighbors. And I love that there is Tai Chi there for older residents and also the grandchildren. It is a beautiful thing. You see, while I am not Asian, I did live in Japan and China and truly enjoyed the interactions of the people within the parks. You say "these people actually live here"...well so do I, Silly. Why would you have assumed differently.

Del Prado Park is used quite a bit, and parents run their youngsters home for a "pee". Its life.

Many of these comments ARE from residents of this neighborhood, as am I. You need to stop assuming. And for those who are not in THIS neighborhood, but do enjoy the park...as other posters have said...it is a TENNIS and COMMUNITY PARK, meaning it belongs to all of us. Inclusive.

I suggest everyone go to the next meeting since many seem to have missed past meetings.
OK??

p.s. I'm still perplexed over the huge passions about the park, when there are some truly huge issues that would normally take up this much thread. Well, from that perspective, I suppose it is much safer to discuss the tennis and community park. :-)


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Posted by mac
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 28, 2016 at 3:19 pm

mac is a registered user.

@Del Prado Nester, thanks for a sensible and practical response. You've sold me on that concept.


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Posted by Flightops
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 28, 2016 at 6:06 pm

Flightops is a registered user.

Good call "Del Prado Nester"!!! All valid points!


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