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Pleasanton Council bans smoking in city parks

Callippe Preserve Golf Course exempted in ruling although smoking banned in clubhouse

The City Council Tuesday ordered a ban on smoking in all Pleasanton parks, agreeing with a recommendation of the city's Youth Commission that secondhand smoke poses a threat to others in the parks.

The commission's study had been reviewed and supported earlier by the city's Parks and Recreation and Human Services commissions.

Members of the Youth Commission, in their report, said that they also were concerned about negative health effects from cigarette butts they found in parks, fire risks from improper cigarette disposal and "general health, safety and welfare concerns for persons using city parks and trails."

The ordinance adopted by the council also prohibits smoking on public trails and in city parking lots serving parks and trails. The council exempted, however, Callippe Preserve Golf Course, although the course's clubhouse already prohibits smoking inside the building or on its outdoors patio.

The Youth Commission has been investigating the city's current smoking restrictions and participated in the Alameda County Public Health Department's "Project Teen Friendly" program.

The project involved surveying the community about tobacco products being sold in local stores and observing how tobacco is being used in Pleasanton. It also gathered information from various health organizations and members organized and undertook two weekend cigarette butt clean-ups at Ken Mercer Sports Park to quantify the amount of litter there.

With its smoking ban, Pleasanton joins the cities of Danville, Dublin, Livermore and San Ramon in banning smoking in all public parks.

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Posted by Parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 24, 2015 at 8:37 am

I regards to the smoking ban, funny how the golf course got an exemption.


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Posted by smoking is not the only bad thing
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 24, 2015 at 9:05 am

They ban smoking but they continue to encourage drinking in the park during the concerts. I agree that smoking is bad for not only the smoker. However, I have never heard of anyone having too many smokes and then killing someone while driving home under the influence. It potentially happens every Friday in Pleasanton when the drunks leave the concert and on First Wednesdays when the drunks drive home from downtown. How is encouraging drinking and driving OK but smoking is not?


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 24, 2015 at 9:22 am

Obesity related diseases and death are the biggest issue. Only 17% of Americans and only 9% of Californians smoke but over 50% are fat and 30% morbidly obese so why don't we ban that also. It will free up space for fit people?


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 24, 2015 at 9:50 am

It would be nice if instead of going after smokers, they would concentrate their efforts on off leash dogs in parks other than the ones designated for dogs!


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Posted by Citizen
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 24, 2015 at 9:55 am

Does the ban include pot!?


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Jul 24, 2015 at 9:58 am

@Jerry: "Obesity related diseases and death are the biggest issue. Only 17% of Americans and only 9% of Californians smoke but over 50% are fat and 30% morbidly obese so why don't we ban that also."

No, I think you missed the point of this smoking ban. The purpose of the smoke ban is not to protect the health of the smokers themselves. As mentioned in the first paragraph of the article, this ban is driven by the fact that "secondhand smoke poses a threat to others in the parks". Your obesity is no health threat to me or my children. Your secondhand smoke is.


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 24, 2015 at 10:03 am

You can smoke on the golf course and they use our drinking water to make those greens great. Too bad it can't use 100% recycled water. About time city banned smoking!


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Posted by Lugnut
a resident of Canyon Oaks
on Jul 24, 2015 at 10:37 am

Good luck in trying to enforce that ordinance. What happen to the Youth Center that was promised many years ago? Good Job Council, water-sewer increases and No Smoking In the Parks, all in ONE week. Take a rest, you must be exhausted.


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 24, 2015 at 10:38 am

Damon,

I got the point completely and I do not like smoke but find the level of unfitness in this town disgusting as do many people. That is my point.

By the way, the point about dogs is true and as a matter of fact dogs peeing and pooping in others property or the cities property (ours) should be ticketed.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jul 24, 2015 at 11:06 am

I find it funny that liberals espouse a live and let live philosophy...until they have power. Suddenly, other people can't smoke, they can't be fat, they can't use too much water, they can't drink too much, they can't let their kids out of their sight, they can't drive an SUV, they must accept boys acting like girls to undress in girl locker rooms, etc. etc.


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Posted by Kay Knighner
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 24, 2015 at 11:13 am

Dear Jerry: if you have so few problems in life that this one rises to the top of the list -- congrats, and please share your secrets to attaining such a placid living state with the rest of us.

If, however, you find yourself going all apoplectic over inconsequential, imaginary problems, then you might want to consider various stress reduction strategies to improve your mental health. One of those strategies -- are you ready for a key to longevity? -- something that will get you outside of yourself, and outside? -- and share unconditional love with you? -- and lower your blood pressure while strengthening your immune system? -- is to get a dog.

You're welcome.


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Posted by Henry
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 24, 2015 at 11:56 am

As a retired regular user of parks and trails in Pleasanton, and a non-smoker, I've developed quite an anecdotal idea of the smoking that actually occurs there during day and evening hours. FYI, I have no problem with second-hand smoke in park areas as long as the smokers move away a bit. It's a wide open space with plenty of ventilation, not unlike the Callippe golf course where smoking is just fine. The overwhelming majority of smoking that I've noticed is by teenagers out of school, especially shortly after school gets out. Kids on bikes head for well protected areas often with benches or easy places to sit, and light up. I don't know how it breaks down between tobacco and marijuana, but there seems to be plenty of each. The only adult smoking I've seen has been near athletic events in Mercer Sports Park, and around various family or group picnics. No one in those groups seem to mind, and when around organized children's sports, the smokers always move away to the parking lots. Kids playing sports or around adults never smoke. I've never experienced anyone actually affected by smoking in parks, only people who don't like smoking and smokers in general. If this helps to limit smoking in parks by junior high and high school students and the kids are the object of enforcement, then I can see the reason for the ban. But just like at Callippe, I see no reason to hassle the few adult smokers at picnics and sports events or taking a walk on a trail, just like no one hassles people having a beer or glass of wine at a picnic, from a cooler after a softball game, or at Concerts in the Park. Police have enough serious incidents to respond to.


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Posted by Old Guy
a resident of Willow West
on Jul 24, 2015 at 12:23 pm

I don't usually respond to insensitive people but Jerry you will be my one exception. There are multiple reasons why so many in our population suffer with weight issues and for you to make such ill informed comments shows your absolute ignorance. I use the word ignorance because that depicts someone who is merely uninformed and uneducated. In other words an ignorant person has the capacity to learn while a stupid person does not. Which are you Jerry?


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jul 24, 2015 at 2:30 pm

Old Guy --

In the end, it's frankly none of Jerry's business that people have "fitness issues". It's equivalent to getting upset that Jerry has too much nose hair, or a hairy chest.


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Posted by Oh
a resident of Castlewood
on Jul 24, 2015 at 3:29 pm

You guys should be more worried about your weight and what you eat than about what someone says. Huge costs to us and the economy to battle fat related diseases. It is a big problem in this country don't stick your heads in the .....


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jul 24, 2015 at 3:59 pm

Oh -

Really. Huge costs to us and the economy??? You do realize that when you pay money, someone else receives it, right?

So, why is it any of your business if someone is overweight and has to pay a doctor for providing a service? It isn't a "cost to the economy". It is actually helping the economy by circulating money.

It's the equivalent of saying that acne is a huge cost to us and to the economy, so teens need to stop using so much medication and just live with it.

So, please mind your own business, and stop using cost to others as an excuse to control them.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jul 24, 2015 at 4:17 pm

Oh -

Or maybe we need to put an end to mountain climbing, skateboarding, hang gliding, snow boarding, private piloting, car racing, and all other dangerous activities because of the huge costs to us and the economy. ROFL!


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Posted by Pleasanton was nice forty years ago
a resident of Castlewood
on Jul 24, 2015 at 5:28 pm

I think people should only be able to smoke if they are on fire


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Posted by Henry
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 24, 2015 at 5:47 pm

A modest proposal: encourage smoking to save Social Security, Medicare, and the California pension funds. Smokers live at least 10 years less than non-smokers according to the CDC. Many smokers contribute to these funds through their working years but never make it to retirement age to receive any benefits from pensions, Social Security or Medicare. Those who do reach retirement age live much shorter lives and receive much less in income benefits. Early deaths result in lesser Medicare payments than healthier people who live longer but have many more debilitating long-term health issues. (Treatments for lung cancer, cardiovascular and respiratory illnesses are expensive, but relatively short and in total may be less than for many who live much longer lives.) In addition, smokers dying early may not deplete live savings so much and may leave more to their children and grandchildren to pay off college loan debt. Encouraging smoking could materially improve Pleasanton's post-retirement health and pension cost situation. So why are we prohibiting smoking in parks?

Jonathan Swift


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Posted by Formerly Dan from BC
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jul 24, 2015 at 6:15 pm

Formerly Dan from BC is a registered user.

Both my parents died from smoking-related illnesses, so I have seen the damage cigarettes can do. I have upper respiratory issues that I'm convinced were caused by their smoking.

Honest to God you must have something wrong with your brain if you smoke cigarettes (or pot) and think its just fine to smoke in front of others indoors or out.

You want a long, slow, agonizing death, by all means light up in the privacy of your own home and smoke away. Just don't make the mistake of thinking you aren't affecting anyone else.

Then again, if you don't care about your own body, you'll hardly care for anyone else's.

/soapbox.


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Posted by Formerly Dan from BC
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jul 24, 2015 at 6:19 pm

Formerly Dan from BC is a registered user.

And isn't it ironic that there's a cigarette store just a block over from the park?

Isn't it funny our politicians rage against the cigarette companies, but they're more than happy to accept the taxes they produce.

Hypocrites.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jul 24, 2015 at 7:14 pm

If people weren't so rude we wouldn't need these laws. As a general rule, if you're a smoker, ask people nearby if they mind if you smoke (I do!). If they mind, then don't smoke, or move somewhere where it won't affect others.

The idea of second hand smoke causing actual health effects is somewhat suspect, especially considering all of the other natural environmental pollutants that you encounter on a daily basis.

My issue is that I don't like the smell of cigarette (or pot) smoke, and I don't want it stinking up my clothes. I shouldn't need a health concern to ask a smoker to not smoke around me, and I really shouldn't need a law either. It is simple courtesy.

But since we have rude, self-centered people in this world, I'm all for the laws.


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Jul 24, 2015 at 8:49 pm

What? "Pleasanton was nice" and "Formerly Dan" actually saying things that I agree with? It's like the whole world has gone bizzarro!


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Posted by smoking is not the only bad thing
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 25, 2015 at 7:31 am

Stoneridge Steve nailed it -- "If people weren't so rude we wouldn't need these laws"

We would not need laws about driving and texting, we would not need laws about not blocking fire hydrants and driveways when you park, we would not need leash laws for dogs, the list goes on and on.

The rude and thoughtless behavior of people has caused the legislation of things that should never even need to be discussed. We need to make it the law that you pick up the dog poop from public places? Are you so STUPID and so THOUGHTLESS that you think it's OK to just leave it there. Apparently so.

We need to write laws about the level of noise that can come from your home into the rest of the neighborhood. Do you really think that we all love your little doggie so much that his round the clock howling is acceptable? Not.

We need to write laws about how and where you can park because you think that blocking a driveway while you -- pick one -- drop your kid at school, pick up your fruit from the farmer's market, watch the concert (I'll only be here a couple of hours, yeah, that's what the idiot told me last night as he parked IN MY DRIVEWAY!!) -- any of these things is supposed to give you the right to inconvenience all of the rest of us.

I could go on for days about the laws that should never be needed if people had the tiniest bit of common sense and courtesy. They don't so we write laws. What a shame.

Oh, bit of advice for any other moron who parks in my driveway or blocks it in any way. After the PPD has your car towed you need to go first to the PPD and pay the fine. Only then can you bail out your vehicle. I guess you figured that out after showing up at the tow yard and not being able to get your car. What universe do you live in where it's OK to park in my driveway anyhow?


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Posted by Kay Knighner
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 25, 2015 at 7:57 am

sintobt: Whew! Have you considered the possibility that your post says more about You than it does about all those myriad people you catalogue, presume to judge, and complain about, ad nauseum?


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 25, 2015 at 8:59 am

I personally don't have a problem with the no smoking thing it's just that now we have pet laws to support politics not science. I would like to see a study that you can get cancer for second hand smoke across a park. Crazy.

Secondly it's easy to pass laws someone else has to enforce. Can you imagine the police department conversation about this right now? They must think the council is a total joke. Can see it now. Some walking his dog late at night at the sports park smoking a cigarette and the police have to waste time with that type of mess.


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Posted by smoking is not the only bad thing
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 25, 2015 at 9:45 am

@Jerry -- I don't believe for a minute this has to do with the harmful effects of second hand smoke. Have you ever even once seen a smoker throw the butt into a garbage can? I have not, they throw them, often still lit, onto the ground or into the plants. Again, if they were not so rude and inconsiderate we would not even be having this discussion.


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Posted by Kay Knighner
a resident of Birdland
on Jul 25, 2015 at 10:18 am

Type A's die young and go unmourned ... Web Link

Seek help.


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 25, 2015 at 10:35 am

I used to smoke and put them in an ashtray or put them out and put in my pocket to throw away later so yes I have seen people dispose of them properly. Besides they are biodegradable so a non issue.

Council has nothing better to do so let's pass more laws that cannot be enforced.

Someone above mentioned texting and driving and it should not be done but the law is not enforced unless obvious. I seems no one obeys that law. You drive through town here and everyone is texting and driving. Including the police.


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Posted by Formerly Dan from BC
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jul 25, 2015 at 10:36 am

Formerly Dan from BC is a registered user.

I completely forgot about those smokers who casually toss their butts to the ground after they're done with their fix.

This COMPLETELY p's me off!

Let's summarize: They don't care about their own bodies; they don't care for those around them; and they don't care about littering up our environment!

And let's not forget when they casually toss out a lit cigarette out their car window, in summer, on a freeway!

The more I think about this the more p'eed off I get!


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Posted by Not a Smoker
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jul 25, 2015 at 10:59 am

I'm not a smoker, but banning all smoking from all parks seems to go too far. Makes me wonder if the council just wanted the Youth Commission to feel like they're doing something useful.


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 25, 2015 at 6:34 pm

All for it. Disgusting habit and tired of finding buts on the ground


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Posted by Mrs. Bloom
a resident of Downtown
on Jul 25, 2015 at 7:12 pm

Can we ban idiot drivers in the Library parking lot next?


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Posted by Scott Walsh
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 25, 2015 at 7:36 pm

All you yackers need to go to a Council Meeting and give your input. Yacking here accomplishes little if you want change. If ya all just like to beat your gums, well your good at it! If you want cigarette smoking back then get a petition going. If you want more restrictions on how close to schools vice merchandisers can be then get busy.


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