Job fairs planned for Paragon Outlets mall, scheduled to open Nov. 8

Does anyone know what the first stores to open will be?

Melanie said: “I know there are many that don’t like the project, but look on the bright side: Shoppers will be helping the economy as well as the environment…buying gifts and not driving to Gilroy or Fairfield to find a good outlet center!”

OK, now how about back to the not-so-bright side: Shoppers will instead be driving from all over the bay area to get to this Livermore-Pleasanton area to find a bit outlet center. Good for the economy. Not so good for the highway traffic around Pleasanton. Questionable whether it’s good for the environment because having a large outlet center in the Livermore-Pleasanton area will induce many bay area shoppers who find the Gilroy and Fairfield outlets too far away and would not otherwise drive to an outlet center to instead hop in their cars and burn lots of gas getting to this Livermore-Pleasanton area outlet instead.

Anyway, it’s here and there’s nothing we can do about it now.

‘Thanks Sam. At least you didn’t play the globel warming card. Ha-Ha. Seriosly though I’m glad I’m have some influenze on you. ‘

Troll, with all the time you have on your hands, you think you’d learn to correctly spell the drivel you puke up here regularly.

Sam, you must be one of those ‘glass half empty’ kinda guys. The environmental impact of this shopping center is way down the list of benefits or impacts to the area. More local jobs, more taxes paid into the community, more choices for locals and yet you look for a perceived downside as the only thing you comment on. I guess there wouldn’t be many posts here unless we had some local contrarians to chime in. Oh well….cheer up…it’s not all bad.

Melanie said: “There is one thing you could do now Sam… it’s boycott. You will not have to deal with traffic congestion or contribute to polution. For me you will be one less car in the parking lot so I can find a spot as well as one less person I have to wait in line with in the stores. Win-win for both of us.”

Geesh, Melanie. I expect silly comments from Steve but you too? All I did was point out the fact that it was not necessarily true that the presence of a new outlet store would be a plus for the environment in terms of car driving by shoppers. If you have a logical counterpoint to make, then make it. Leave the childish comments to others.

Melanie said: “….If you are going to shop at this outlet center despite you believing that it causes traffic and polution..then you must not really care about traffic or pollution. If you don’t care enough about those things to not shop there then why even come on a forum like this and bring it up? To bring up issues you don’t care about is childish and silly.”

Ummm. Melanie, if you look back at the record of posts in this thread, you’ll see that you’re the one who originally brought up the issues of traffic and the environment in connection with this outlet center, not me.

Furthermore, I never claimed that having an outlet center here will cause more pollution. I simply said that that your point that it will cause less pollution was “questionable” by suggesting that some shoppers who would not otherwise drive to an outlet center would now start driving to one which is relatively near.

I can understand people being against this if it will affect their traffic – no development is good in the eyes of people who will have to fight to get to or leave home. But the argument as to whether or not to build outlets in the Tri-Valley in the first place? This just makes common sense. What’s not green is that all the good jobs are in the Silicon Valley, all the good schools in the Tri-Valley – so everyday thousands of gallons of gas wasted getting the high-paid people who want good schools to the high-paying jobs.

Gilroy and Fairfield outlets are out in the middle of nowhere in towns with economic demographics that cannot support them – so they were meant for out-of-town shoppers. At least the Tri-Valley outlets will have a large close-by demographic to support them – and the added boon is that we’ll get tax revenue that would otherwise go to stores in the East Bay and Central Valley. If you live in the Tri-Valley, this is a win!

I set up and ran a 25 store chain of outlet stores in a past life. I wouldn’t count on the tax revenue over the long term and I hope Livermore negotiated a tear-down clause with the developer. Most of these centers peak after 2 years once shoppers discover they don’t provide quite the bargain they thought. Most leases are 3 or 5 years in duration and tenants start leaving once up for renewal. There are a significant number of these centers that do fail (Lathrop anyone?, the Bend, OR center is 75% empty with only the 2 major anchors doing any business) and I would have thought the idea of another outlet mall with the now long-term reduction in consumer spending, has less chance for long-term success. Additionally, these centers, once empty, don’t readily convert into another form of commercial use. And, honestly, Dublin hasn’t met a piece of dirt they won’t build on. Livermore -why did we need yet another eye-sore built? Starting to look like SoCal at this point…

Traffic, check, pollution, check, congestion, check, noise, check, more jobs, don’t check, more tax $$, don’t check, better schools, don’t check, improved infrastructure, don’t check, whining after the fact, check. Get real, it’s here, the Tri-Valley area is turning into Orange County, check.
All the whining is the same as when Stoneridge Mall was being built & we all survived. Complainers shoud relocate to, I don’t know…the bad woods somewhere that is not here!

The problem I have found with outlet malls is once you see their stuff – it never changes. The product stays on the shelf/rack until it sells or rots (sometimes not even then). So I have found that one needs only to go to the outlet mall once every years or two to see new stuff. Well except for Carter’s and Coach.

Carter’s: I purchase baby clothes gift items at the Carter’s outlet store in Tracy (one of the few remaining stores there). While Macy’s has the same exact Carter’s stuff at the same price, the selection at the Carter’s outlet store is 5 times that of Macy’s (note I love Macy’s). Carter’s does have new things when I go in 3 – 4 times a year.

Coach – I do buy some Coach items but only when it is discounted, like at an outlet. It will be nice to have Coach outlet nearby.

Amen Fairlands Neighbor, amen!!!! The replies to this story had me chuckling out loud at my desk… hilarity! On a serious note, this is fantastic news for me. I am looking forward to having more shopping choices particularly during the holidays – and as a mom the Carter’s store near my home is a dream come true. Total hassle driving to Tracy or Fremont so this in itself is awesome.

Have the union slugs figured out yet how to organize the workers at this mall?

I wonder if the muggings will be more or less at this Mall compared to Stoneridge?

Would someone care to kindly tell me how one catches encephalitis by riding a public transport conveyance? Would someone care to kindly tell me how the above poster even begins to qualify as a human being?