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Prop 30 passage avoids cuts to Pleasanton school year

Original post made on Nov 15, 2012

The passage of Proposition 30 won praise from district staff and school board at its meeting Tuesday night.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, November 15, 2012, 7:27 AM

Comments

Posted by Did Brown Lie?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 9:35 am

The Pleasanton schools might want to ensure they actually get the money from the state before spending it. Less than a week after Prop 30 was approved, the Governor and Legislature were already talking about using the Prop 30 money to balance the budget, supply money to social programs, provide funds to the Delta-circumventing tunnel, and provide funding to the bullet train.

Were voters completely scammed? Prop 30 was supposed to provide funding EXCLUSIVELY for K-12 education. Is the Governor a complete liar?


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Nov 15, 2012 at 10:16 am

"Less than a week after Prop 30 was approved, the Governor and Legislature were already talking about using the Prop 30 money to balance the budget, supply money to social programs, provide funds to the Delta-circumventing tunnel, and provide funding to the bullet train."

Can you provide a link to a reputable news site where the Governor is quoted as saying that? As someone who voted for Prop 30, I would really like to know so that I can take the information into account the next time a vote for something like this comes up. Again, I need a reputable news site please - no extremist right-wing blogs with axes to grind.

(P.S.: If you are unable to provide a reputable news site, I'll be forced to call you a right-wing extremist liar nutcase.)

(P.P.S.: If you do provide a reputable web site, sorry that I just called you a right-wing extremist liar nutcase.)


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 15, 2012 at 11:36 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Here is one article: Web Link

We'll know soon enough where the money really goes.


Posted by Sandy Piderit, a resident of Mohr Park
on Nov 15, 2012 at 11:45 am

The article linked is about Brown's broader agenda.

There is only one key quote about prop 30: "With $6 billion annually from the new taxes imposed by Proposition 30, Brown said, the budget should stay balanced for years to come. He has pledged that any surplus money not needed to fund existing programs will be used to pay down the state's $34 billion "wall of debt" racked up over the past decade."

While I agree with Kathleen that we need to see what actually happens, my sense is that Governor Brown is saying exactly what he should be about Prop 30.


Posted by Shelly, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 12:14 pm

There appears nothing in the linked article that suggests Brown will use the prop 30 money on anything other than education. Directing it solely toward education is not at all at odds with stated attempts to balance the budget. I think Sam's first P.S. is probably the most accurate with respect to the first commenter, if not also the two that follow him.


Posted by Sandy Piderit, a resident of Mohr Park
on Nov 15, 2012 at 12:47 pm

The next issue for the school board to consider is the potential impact of the fiscal cliff and sequestration cuts to the federal education budget, which could affect Pleasanton as well.

Here's an overview of the issue at the federal level:
Web Link


Posted by lessismore, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Nov 15, 2012 at 12:48 pm

No where in prop 30 is it clearly stated how much money must go to schools.
He owes a few people like the unions how supported prop 30.

My concern:
If it would of been just about education as he has tried telling us then Jerry and the Teacher Union would have but there support behind prop 38.

I hope I'm very wrong


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Shelly, Nice.

Sandy, I don't disagree with your assessment of the article. Arne Duncan had a field day with a lot of money trying to create change. I don't know whether there has been a positive impact from that investment. It would, however, be unfortunate if all of K-12 education faces cuts now.


Posted by Shelly, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 1:20 pm

More Republican ostriches with their heads in the sand. Kathleen, case in point.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 1:54 pm

From Ed Source:

"As EdSource Today has reported more than $2 billion of Prop. 30 funds will go toward paying down some of the state's late payments to schools. Remaining funds won't backfill the $8 billion that K-12 schools have been cut in the past five years, about $1,400 per student."

"Ron Bennett, the president and CEO of School Services, who moderated the event, underscored that point, telling about a meeting he had in a large school district a few days ago. District officials told him that if Prop. 30 had failed, they would have had to cut $60 million this year. “Now they only have to cut $19 million," said Bennett, noting, with some irony, that they're very relieved about that."

" in its first year, more than $2 billion of Prop 30 funds will be used to start paying off the nearly $10 billion in deferrals, those late payments that forced cash-strapped district to borrow money. Those payments should free up funds so in 2013-14, districts will start to see some real money."

"It's not just the public that may not understand where the Prop. 30 money is going this year, but teachers, administrators, and even school board members aren't necessarily clear about it, added McGee Hewitt. She said groups like CASBO and School Services will need to step up training for school boards, and called for greater collaboration and cooperation between district business officials and superintendents."

Web Link


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 15, 2012 at 2:36 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Shelly, Give it a rest. 30 passed; I hope it goes to K-12 education.


Posted by Shelly, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm

No you don't. What would you have to do/write about if it does? Although always a new witchhunt out there, right?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 15, 2012 at 2:59 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Here's some more information.

"The 2013-14 Budget: California's Fiscal Outlook" from the Legislative Analyst's Office: Web Link


Posted by Scream ! ! !, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Isn't 30 just a miracle !!! One day verge of bankruptcy, next day talking about a surplus next year!! A SURPLUS !!!stinks to high heaven....
AND since stupid 32 voters say it's OK for unions to steal workers pay for political contributions, CA unions will continue to contol ALL CA elections. Yet, much of 30 will be used to prop up, and give more to Jerry's CA unions.. SCREAM ! is there no way to escape.


Posted by Shelly, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Yes, Scream, all kinds of escape. You can leave the state. Leave the country. Sign on to the petition drive to secede from the union. Or, what probably most of us prefer, just go away.

Thanks to Kathleen for the LAO Fiscal Outlook link.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 15, 2012 at 5:27 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Shelly, Of course you meant to say thank you to Stacey. Halloween is past and so is the election. Still doing my part for K-12.


Posted by Shelly, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Yes, speaking of lingering Halloween disguises, I should have thanked Staceleen. Keep up the good work, and don't change anything.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 15, 2012 at 8:40 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

From the LAO:

"Despite Positive Outlook, Caution Is Appropriate. Our multiyear budget forecast depends on a number of key economic, policy, and budgetary assumptions. For example, we assume steady growth in the economy and stock prices. We also assume—as the state's recent economic forecasts have—that federal officials take actions to avoid the near–term economic problems associated with the so–called "fiscal cliff." Consistent with state law, our forecast omits cost–of–living adjustments for most state departments, the courts, universities, and state employees. The forecast also assumes no annual transfers into a state reserve account provided by Proposition 58 (2004). Changes in these assumptions could dramatically lower—or even eliminate—our projected out–year operating surpluses."


Posted by Mittens, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 9:03 pm

Can't wait for Shelly's latest personal attack on anyone ( especially Kathleen) who dare to shine any light on the inevitable fact that fund from prop 30 will be diverted to further spending for social and special interest programs.


Posted by john, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 15, 2012 at 11:08 pm

Education is a special interest social program.


Posted by Spare Change, a resident of Downtown
on Nov 16, 2012 at 7:32 am

Actually, it's the Governer who has told the liberal legislature to keep there rich hating, money hungry, freebe loving hands off the Prop 30 tax dollars as they can't help themselves by eyeing other people's money for "the Adult dentist Program" and "Parks Programs." This tax increase hits right at the heart of the Pleasanton "rich" community and the only thing we will get is a much happier teacher's union, with the same poor quality of performance. Well CA, as they say, you get the Government you deserve. Now that the State has a bigger piece of my pie, can't wait to see what the Obamaista's are goona take, hope they leave me some crust.


Posted by Scream ! ! !, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2012 at 11:05 am

What I didn't/don't like about 30 is that our very important Community Colleges are left stranded. Community colleges are where
kids go for remedial fine tuning, since our lousy CA K-12 can't seem to do the job.
They are where middle-class kids go to stay home to save $$ to transfer to a state Univ.


Posted by Fact Checker, a resident of Downtown
on Nov 18, 2012 at 3:39 pm

Prop 30 covers K-14, so it includes community colleges, as does Prop 98. Community colleges are often forgotten in the conversation, but the funding mechanism covers them.


Posted by Spare Change, a resident of Downtown
on Nov 19, 2012 at 8:13 am

If anyone thinks that Prop 30 does anything other than provide a very temporary bandaide for just the schools...your nuts. And if anyone thinks the increase will expire in 7 years, your on drugs, which by the way makes the most sense being in CA if you think about it. That's if the Socialist CA legislature doesn't raid this fund for other liberal programs, which they are already trying 3 weeks after the election. CA's problems are deeply rooted in insane fiscal policies that have been implemented for handouts and special interest groups, and mostly for the preservation of power by the Democrat lawmakers. We went off "the fiscal cliff" a decade ago.


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Nov 19, 2012 at 5:22 pm

"Spare Change" said: "If anyone thinks that Prop 30 does anything other than provide a very temporary bandaide for just the schools...your nuts. And if anyone thinks the increase will expire in 7 years, your on drugs..."

You know, it really damages your credibility and looks a bit silly to be railing against additional funding for education with a post in which you incorrectly write the contraction "you're" as "your" (twice!). My 6-year old's 1st-grade class at Lydiksen Elementary is covering that topic now.


Posted by Be Positive, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 19, 2012 at 9:50 pm

I was thinking the same thing Sam. I remember hearing the awful complaints blaming PUSD for cutting days from the school year, as they were doing this on purpose to their children. Now that the days wont be cut, which is a fact, it is suddenly a negative thing. Good news is bad news with some in this town, those with their thinking half empty.