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I wish we had a bus strike to worry about, but we don't. So sad, when I was growing up we had school buses. Now we drive our kids to school (wasting natural resources) because of no school bus.
I would like to start a cry for public school buses - let't make a difference.
And I couldd care less of anyone striking, find a new job.
School bus drivers are unionized? That's like NFL refs being unionized. Let them strike. Anyone can drive a school bus. Let the town's seniors do it; and let's not bother about getting them special licenses, either. My household servants haven't gotten a raise in ten years. Why should bus drivers?
I have never understood the reason for the small busses. The children are handicapped but the parents are not, why can't their parents drive their kids to school like I do. Every morning as I drive our carpool, my neighbor is in her robe waving goodby to the small bus.
Let them strike, then let them go!
Let them strike, then close the whole system down. Maybe they could ride the empty long buss, we have to many unionized buses driving around empty as it is. The whole transportation system needs to be changed, but we don't have anyone in office willing to take them on, for fear of the union backlash.
The unions are helping to ruin this country.
All they are is an Organized Crime Organization who vote for
Liberal Democrats who make promises to them that we cannot
afford. They should be happy they HAVE a J-O-B !
Let them strike! Let's see If they hold the City hostage like the
Castlewood unionworkers did. Disgusting! Nobody OWES you
a job. If you don't like it, work somewhere else....oh wait....
There are no jobs anywhere else! Stop whining and get to work
like the rest of us in the civilian world! You're not better than the
rest of us 'regular' people. Unbelievable. Spoiled little brats.
They're not even from here. Give me the job! I have a perfect
driving record and I even use my signals!!!!!!
Both my sons are Deaf. They attend California School for the Deaf in Fremont. They commute to and from Fremont each day. It is a long drive for parents to be driving back and forth especially with the kids being on a different schedule. I found the comments about how parents should be transporting their kids to school daily offending. Those who drive their kids to school drive less than a mile to school.
In addition, the comment about the house keepers not getting a raise in ten years saddens me. No one should ever be under paid for their work even if they work for the wealthy families. Drivers deserve the raise.
Please ignore the offensive comments in this board. There are plenty of selfish, ignorant people in this town, who could give a rat's a$$ about anyone else's misfortunes. It's all about them, them, them, their hatred of Unions and everything else that who knows goes in their constipated minds.
They are not worth being acknowledged.
Chad is the union troll that frequents this board under different names. Ignore.
"Troll alert" has nothing better to do than to accuse those he disagrees with of being a union troll.
Let's be clear. There are not any union thugs or trolls living in Ruby Hill. They can't afford to live here because they give the bulk of their earnings to union "leaders" who use the money to get Democrat Party communists elected to lead us into tax-the-wealthy oblivion.
Again, let's look at the outstanding job the scab refs did during the NFL lock-out (which was the union thug referees' fault for being locked out, because the NFL, strapped for money, just couldn't afford to give the thugs what they were demanding). The scab refs did a wonderful job, and it was no doubt tied to the fact that ANYone can do a union job better than union members do it. Same with bus drivers. I'd much rather have a retired 75-year-old driving the kids' bus than a union hack. The logic is simple enough.
What do the drivers have now and what are they asking for?
When you know they are unionized, you know they are making too much and asking too much. If this country had its head screwed on correctly, the bus drivers would be taxed at even a higher rate than Romney and his friends are. Because Romney is a job creating hero. Bus drivers contribute no additive value to the economy. Glorified sponges is what they are.
I have watched a few different drivers and have seen them smoke aboard their busses (not when kids are on but the smell lingers ) and talk on cell phones not to mention speed and run yellow and red lights with kids aboard. I have contacted Durham myself in the past in regards to this.
I have to agree with Mike--what are they asking for? the article doesn't state this.
Why I have no sympathy for this group or the governor or, in a recent case, the Chicago teacher's union--they all use children as hostages.
Yes, I agree with Kathleen, that the children of bus drivers can go jump in the lake, because they aren't as important as the kids who ride the bus. And the children of teachers who resort to striking can go jump in the lake too, because they aren't as important as real kids who go to school. And when employers lock out workers, those workers' kids can go jump in the lake, too, because a good libertarian is able to pick what kids count and what kids don't. And corporations' use of child labor, and using threat of firing them if they don't accept below subsistence wages, that's okay because it's free market capitalism and adults and children are given a free choice: to work or starve. Kathleen and I share a really really deep caring for kids. Honest. It's all about the children. Chicago teachers go on strike? That's holding kids hostage. Corporations using forced child labor, that's capitalist freedom at work. Teachers should never, ever go on strike, even if their own kids' health and well-being may depend on it; because children of striking teachers don't count like children of parents who have to suffer teachers' shenanigans, and for what?, so that the teachers can put food on the table for their youngsters. Blech! What bunk!
Many of the treads on this comment board sadden me. I am shocked that people think families with children who have disabilities are taking advantage if the system because they opt to have their child/children take a bus to school. For these kids who depend on so many just to make it through a day - experiencing what other children can do easily, like taking the bus, is a very big deal. It fosters independence. Engenders success. And helps families who are juggling therapies, doctors, diets, etc. have one less thing to balance.
I am a parent of a child with special needs who takes a bus to school. Do you have any idea how much both my child and I WISH we could walk to school and attend classes with our neighbors?
These bus drivers have a huge task. Yes. They drive a bus. But they are responsible for children with everything from developmental disabilities to physical handicaps. They do their jobs with smiles on their faces and without complaint. They take care of MY child - and they do it well. While I don't know the specifics about their union or why they may be striking, all I know is the two people who drive my child to school are wonderful and deserve more than what they're getting.
Please remember there are children with special needs in the middle of this, too. Not lazy parents who want 20 minutes of extra sleep in the morning. There are bus drivers who do a difficult job working with children with SPECIAL NEEDS... These drivers are responsible for getting these children to school safely, on time, and must also deal with the unique behaviors and idiosyncrasies of these wonderful kids. In my experience, they do a good job of it, too.
Don't rant about the families who utilize these services - things are hard enough for us.
Chad, Nothing said about bus drivers' or teachers' children. If there is legitimate reason to strike and you are generally trying to procure a solid future for your own family--do it over the summer. To suggest striking during the school year is anything other than a squeeze play is laughable. Remember the quote from the union leader in Chicago, "because we want to see what else we can get"? Yeah, it's about all children, even theirs.
Yes, teachers should strike during the summer. That'll be effective. Well thought out, Kathleen. And bus drivers should strike between the hours of midnight and 5 AM when people aren't riding busses. And 9-5ers should only strike on week-ends so as to minimize disruption. Why didn't I think of that? Genius. It must be because you care so much about the children.
I notice that Chad has posted several message this morning. I am wondering how this person has so much time to be online......
Being a resident of Ruby Hills says a lot about this particular person. I wonder if Chad has ever worked with or even stopped to say Hello to a Special Needs Person.
Dear Member, Well said.
Anyone who's ever struggled to get a wheelchair-bound child into a minivan would know how difficult it is. To have to do this every day would be so hard. My daughter was in a wheelchair for several months after an auto accident and I will never forget how hard it was to get her to doctor's appts. therapy, and school. I am grateful it was a temporary situation. These bus drivers are more than just drivers.
They deserve a decent wage. Ignore the trolls--they just love spewing their nastiness to get a rise out of people--sick.
Hmmm, I have the same number of posts as the everpresent Kathleen, but June takes a shot at me. Well, let me tell you, June, as a parent of a special needs child, you're no doubt part of that 47% who think they can sponge off the rest of us. For your information, I've worked hard watching my investments grow, which came from no one else, except my Dad who helped a little bit early on, and then my inheritance. Instead of whining and playing the victim card, maybe you should try watching your investments grow like I have. You might find yourself living in Ruby Hill instead of slumming it in Pleasanton Valley.
I believe that Chad's remarks are objectionable.
You have started throwing rocks.
I am PROUD to live in Pleasanton Valley; I do not consider myself a part of the 47% (which you should probably not be mentioning considering all the info abounding about that particular bit);
I do not have a special needs child, but I truly ADMIRE the parents
who care for those children.
Stop patting yourself on the back, Chad.
Did the bus drivers choose to strike today or not?
June and others---don't feed the union-ho troll.
Learn to recognize the writing style:
1) (never, ever, ever....)
2) The mention of teachers, when the article has nothing to do with teachers (other than the link to union abuses)
3) The immediate knee jerk (emphasis on jerk) reaction to anything Kathleen posts.
4) failure to stay on topic, evidenced by random pot shots at Romney
5) class envy and vilification of successful people by using clumsy parody of his impression of how the successful are stereotyped by jealousy, unsuccessful leftists.
Recognize and ignore the troll. Eventually, he may actually get a job and stop wasting space on this blog, but don't count on it.
@Chad...in your statement And corporations' use of child labor, and using threat of firing them if they don't accept below subsistence wages, that's okay because it's free market capitalism and adults and children are given a free choice: to work or starve.
I am not sure childred being put into a situation of having to work for low wages or starve is the best for our kids. What can be done to avoid that type of situation or do you really feel that is an acceptable social model?
First, ignore PHONY, PHONY, FAKING Chad. Nothing he says about himself is correct...and he leaves out union JERK.
However, I'm from a different time. I was an honor student crossing-guard. My district didn't spend money on things like that. How we have evolved. We just had dedicated teachers, disciplinary teachers, and turned out some pretty bright people. Parents took care of their own kids & needs, and fixed their own kids lunches !!! We didn't provide free lunches that continues right thru to free college. The 'free lunch ticket' opens 20 years of opportunities that many middle-class students no longer get. Yet, it's the middle-class parents paying the taxes.
There are so many specialized programs & personalized services today the education bill has multiplied many times over. ADD to that teachers unions(started by Brown 30 yrs ago), whose rights come ahead of educating children, plus obscene retirements growing ever higher as others go lower.
So, when the cost of 'education' is discussed, only a tiny bit is 'about education'. All around, education is just not as much or as good as in days of old.
Interesting post chad=mittens, although I think the troll Kathleen Reugsegger first changed the topic to teachers, thereby exhibiting a failure to stay on topic. Of course if you're Staceleen, who never fails to rise to Kathleen/Staceleen's defense, then the comments make perfect sense. Check out her style: Everyone is a troll except her. And it's easier to call someone a troll than to actually engage their ideas. June, that goes for you too. I find your comments objectionable. You took up space simply to cast presumptuous aspersions my way without addressing anything substantive.
But at least we're all agreed! Teachers should only strike in summer. And school bus drivers should only strike either on their days off or between the hours of midnight and 5 AM when no one is riding their busses. They should be more sensitive to the needs of the public and their employers, just like our super compassionate employers are when they lock out workers, downsize, or shut down only to fire the workforce and start up a day or two later.
P.S. I wish everyone would stop dumping on Ruby Hill. We're there because we're better than those of you who haven't worked hard enough to make it. Learn to pursue the American Dream instead of sitting in your low-class hovel expecting a government handout.
I've seen many of these women who drive the buses for a living over at their bus lot and I've never seen any men drivers. Maybe I just don't see them, but if only women are driving the buses, you can bet that the wages are sub-par or men would also apply for the jobs. What are the bus drivers being paid by the city buses? Are the responsibilities similar?
Your future child or grandchild may someday need these necessary services so shame on many posting who don't have a clue what it takes to raise a special needs child, and how a bus to school is a needed and appreciated service.
Very telling, Chad: "Yes, teachers should strike during the summer. That'll be effective." Confirms my comment that holding children hostage is the point.
OWD, no matter what is being asked, using children, special needs or not, as a leverage to get it is wrong.
Very telling, from this Staceleen. On her view, any strike that affects families with children amounts to "holding children hostage." Very nice private definition. Any backing for this idiosyncratic view beyond the right-wing blogosphere? Nope.
So, she recommends that workers strike when no one will really be affected. For to strike when most effective, well, ahhhh, there's that collectivist action again when, in fact, workers should reduce their bargaining power by reducing themselves to mere individuals. I don't think Staceleen gives two hoots about children; and I don't think she gives two hoots about workers. Her support goes solidly to the job creating heroes who can hire and fire with little concern about the impact such might have on children or their parents.
I wish someone with a bit more between their ears would jump in. It's difficult arguing with half a deck.
"It's difficult arguing with half a deck." Sorry to hear that's all you have.
And again, you confirm children/families are used as leverage to gain bargaining power. There are no heroes there; no job creating "heroes" either.
Yep, that's all Staceleen has. Short little quips that are meant to disguise a lack of historical understanding of the history of unions, collective bargaining, and working people's struggles to advance the well being of all.
If she took the time to read, instead of parking herself on these threads and offering little but ego-advancing quips, she'd learning that workers efforts to build an increasingly progressive society are advanced in order to bring public attention and support of the striking workers and their cause. Here, it is bus drivers attempting to create a fairer wage structure for themselves and their families. No one is taking any children hostage. No guns. No knives. No abductions. Only right-wing fantasy, built on a degradation of the language, that paints unionized workers as boogiemen. Held hostage. Indeed. Says the goof. Someone really needs to jump in and provide Staceleen some assistance. She only has half deck, and her house of cards is as per usual extremely fragile. Blow a little, and down it goes.
It was your quip that left you short. I understand the history of union and collective bargaining quite well; don't care for the typical tactics. Unions do not advance the well being of all . . . starting with the jobs they cannibalize.
Students who miss instructional days; special needs students without a ride to school or home; families left scrambling to fill in the voids. If a fairer wage structure is warranted, then do it when no children are affected; otherwise, yes, they are held hostage, by union leadership.
Stacey Reugsegger's recipe. Deny facts; assure readers she's not as dumb as her words suggest; repeat position no matter how poorly thought out. They're hostage takers, they really are!
Claims to know history of union and collective bargaining 'quite well', but is unable to grasp how unions have felt the necessity to wage collective power against ownership power. That is what labor history emphasizes. And, of course, when companies 'downsize' in order to advance profit, there's no talk from Staceleen about how such decisions decimate families. Nope, it's just the free market at work! Like I say. One-sided, half-a-deck.
Feeling "the necessity to wage collective power" leaves the youngest members of any union without a job, closes facilities, and outsources jobs. Difficult to see where union leaders are working "for the betterment of all."
You can't talk about companies that downsize to protect profit without mentioning the burgeoning wages and benefits often causing the downsizing. Nor can you talk about it without mentioning those profits in publicly traded companies are protecting shareholders, quite often held by, uh, union member pension plans. And you might want to consider that public pension funds are using unrealistic yields on their portfolios creating unfunded liabilities at a cost to taxpayers.
These bus drivers could have legitimate claims; that does not make it okay to deny services to these children.
I AM THE LITTLE SCHOOL BUS DRIVER. YOU NEED TO SHUT UP CHAD U R AN ASS. 10YRS AND I MAKE UNDER $17.00 HR. PAY OVER $300.00 4 MY MEDICAL INS. WE R ASKING FOR MORE THEN THE $1.49 OVER THE 3YRS THAT DURHAM OFFERED. I AM SINGLE TRYING TO LIVE ON $1600.00MO 4 9MOS OF THE YR. I LOVE THE KIDS I DRIVE. WHY DON'T R COMPANY CARE ABOUT THEIR WORKERS & THE KIDS THEY MAKE THEIR BILLONS OFF OF? WE R JUST NOW BECOMING A UNION BCUZ THEY KEEP TAKING FROM US.
Don't talk to me, Little School Bus Driver. Listen to Ms. Reugsegger. Your snivelling union tactics will add burgeoning wages and benefits that will hurt everyone except your greedy selves. And you don't mention all those ungodly profits you'll get in publicly traded companies. You're all hostage takers! Criminals I tell you! How can you act in a criminal, hostage taking way to sate your greediness? You want more than $17.00 an hour! Ha! Who do you think is going to pay for it? We're flat broke in Pleasanton, all of us. We can't afford to meet your demands without closing down facilities and laying off the younger workers among you. You're all hostage taking scum! And forget about any ideas about leaving poop in the backs of good people's cars and trucks. We'll be waiting for you.
Little bus driver,
Chad is actually arguing on your behalf.
As for Staceleen and others who choose the sensationalist "they're holding the kids hostage" BS, try for just a moment to see BOTH sides. it can easily be argued that management is holding the kids hostage by not paying the drivers fair wages. knowing that the drivers want a fair wage and knowing the possibility of a strike if they don't pay them, how are they not holding the kids hostage? knowing that saps like you will paint the drivers as the bad guys. using that sappy public sentiment (based on the special needs kids) as a bargaining chip is the very definition of holding them hostage.
Good luck finding your half a deck, mittens. I sure miss the days when the PW used to monitor blogs for multiple posts by the same user. Maybe mittens thinks if he posts twice as much he will have a full deck.
"Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger,
"You can't talk about companies that downsize to protect profit without mentioning the burgeoning wages and benefits often causing the downsizing. Nor can you talk about it without mentioning those profits in publicly traded companies are protecting shareholders, quite often held by, uh, union member pension plans. And you might want to consider that public pension funds are using unrealistic yields on their portfolios creating unfunded liabilities at a cost to taxpayers.
These bus drivers could have legitimate claims; that does not make it okay to deny services to these children."
Ok, union apologists, explain exactly what are fair wages? What if its more than you make? Is it still 'fair'? How much should be handed over for a low skill job? Should a union drone be able to support a family of 6, along with paid benefits, including a pensions for life after the age of 50 by just driving a bus for a few hours a day?
If you agree with any of this, you should be relocating to a (more) socialist country.
"Fair" wages are whatever the job market dictates. If they're asking for too much, hire scabs for the wages the union members turned down and see how many of these whiners come running to do a difficult "low skill" job. Union busted, everyone wins. Yeah right...
I mean no disrespect for 'special needs' kids or their parents but I would like to know why they are provided bus service. I really do not know. Is it because they are on some sort of assistance or just because its a service provided for them because of their condition?
Perhaps someone that is using this service can explain this.
Children that go to regular schools are not provided bus service.
If my 10 yr old grandson breaks his leg and has to be in a wheelchair while it heals will he be provided bus service to school while he has special needs?
Genuine question folks so no need for the usual curt answers.
Sam, the short answer is federal and state law. Web Link Web Link
For Sam & Kathleen,
FYI yes it is both state & federal law to provide busing for children with special needs (ADA & IDEA). Most of it is because children with special needs who are bused tend to go to schools not designated as their home school. PUSD in general, does not bus student with special needs to their home school. I lived in Mohr Elementary, but my child has to go Donlon (even though her brother went to Mohr) because that is where the SDC class is. For me to get both children to school on time was impossible. My daughter now goes to Harvest Park, her home school....however, because of her disabilities no one can/will carpool with us (she can't get to and from the car on her own) AND she can't take the local bus, like other students, OR walk/ride her bike (like her brother did). The monies for busing do not come from the general fund, they do NOT deprive children without special needs from ANY programs. The busing for special needs children is NECESSARY for a free and appropriate education.
As for summer striking - the bus drivers work through the summer too, as special needs children get mandatory summer school (6 weeks). This is to prevent regression in gains made during the school year - yes those special education teachers, therapists, and aides work during the summer. I for one cherish the bus drivers and appreciate the hard work they do (and that of all the individuals who work in special education) - which often times starts picking kids up before 7 am and still dropping them off after 4:30 pm. Also, there's never enough handicapped spots at the schools for drop off/pick up of the children with physical disabilities - not to mention the "parents"/"grandparents" who have a placard for themselves and like to use them to wait for their child.
Don't criticize if you haven't walked in our shoes - I would gladly give up busing to have my daughter even talk to me like a normal teenager - or be able to hold down a full-time job that I don't have to worry about taking days off for doctor appointments, therapies, or getting medical equipment.
A SN Mother, good point about the summer; good points all around.
The "it's all about me" on some of the posts in this thread are so disgusting they are borderline "objectionable". How can some people be so self centered and mean spirited!
I have no problem with members of a union calling a strike.
I'm not familiar with all of the issues, but certainly you have a right to strike.