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California Leads the Way in Job Creation: Many Republicans Are Chagrined

Original post made by Dennis Winthrop on Feb 1, 2013

According to a Jan 4 CBS report:

"In the past year, California has added 26,000 new information technology jobs. The construction industry is also booming with 26,400 new jobs, and tourism and hospitality has added 62,900.

New companies create most of the new jobs, and a recent study shows Los Angeles has the most entrepreneurs of any area in the country. That job growth is fueling consumer spending. Auto sales were up 14 percent last year. That's why true car is planning to add up to 100 more employees in 2013.

During the recession California was losing jobs to states with lower corporate and income taxes such as Texas. Since February California has created almost 234,000 jobs, more than Texas, Oregon and West Virginia combined."

Naturally, the California landscape is littered with anti-progressive neanderthals who deny the facts. "But facts are facts," stated a high placed administrator in Governor Brown's office. What is truly unfortunate is that the neanderthals want so badly the state to fail, that they are willing to lie about or ignore the very real data that is coming in.

Comments

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm

Isn't this simply an eye opening insight about neandies?

tee hee hee


Posted by lancem, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 1, 2013 at 10:32 pm

Yet there are still more unemployed people in CA than Texas, Oregon and West Virginia combined. We can spin facts whatever way we want to.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2013 at 7:55 am

Don't know what your source is 'lancem', but even if accurate it says nothing about the positive growth of recovery in California. Sour grapes? It must pain you to see the state on a positive trajectory. It makes it so much more difficult to criticize the party of progress. Now, slither on back into your hole.


Posted by Dennis loser thorp, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2013 at 10:06 pm

Dennis, here's how you cite a source for your propaganda, instead of mentioning a factious CBS 1/4 'report': Web Link

Another long time business shutters it's doors this week. But, don't worry, all is rosy...lets build a high speed choo choo to the desert so we can shuttle illegals up to NorCal even faster.


Posted by Dennis Winthorp, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2013 at 10:25 pm

You're obviously not very bright. The original post pertains to job creation in California. Do you refute the numbers? No, instead you present a couple of sensationalist stories about a couple of companies moving out of California, thereby missing a few crucial steps of basic logic. But when you're operating with an incomplete deck as you are, what more can be expected?

I don't know what you mean by a "factious CBS 1/4 report." I doubt you know what you mean.

Your reference to "illegals" stinks and betrays your hatred of others but especially yourself.

Don't change. Use that logic you've got to keep waiting for Romney to win the election over the worst president since Jimmy Carter.


Posted by New Recession, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2013 at 11:05 pm

Oh great, now CA has new TECH jobs and people are moving out of state to avoid taxes, like..... pro-golfers, most pro-sports folk, retired Geo Clooney and others have villas in Italy...Tiger and Michelson have Fla their 'primary' addresses.
Now, 30 days later, is CA still hanging in their state jobs reports?? I know the US UNemployed numbers are back up agains, and starting another jobs recession.
Just can't seem to win for losing.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2013 at 11:30 pm

Your logical failings leave you unable to differentiate between general statistics and that which is merely anecdotal. You're not alone: See Mitt's belief that he was going to win based upon size of a few crowds in the last days of the campaign. But Mitt was simply engaged in self-deception, probably because he wanted so desperately to win. You, on the other hand, seem chronically unable to reason through anything, including something as basic as widely available empirical data. You seem to be the perfect rube who Glenn Beck and other fascists prey upon in an effort to separate you and your wife from your wife's income.

You can bray all you want about California companies leaving the state. And it's true! Some have — 254 in 2011, to be exact. On the other hand, 132,000 new businesses were created that same year—second highest per capita. And that was California's down year.

Now, in addition to statistical facts 132,000 v. 254, I might cite Jim Brady and his wife Giselle recently purchasing a 30 million dollar mansion in so-cal. But that would probably only further confuse you.

I apologize for using so many polysyllabic words. I realize it's going to cause you to stay awake tonight squinting at a dictionary. But it won't help you. You've got a tiny vocabulary, true enough; but your primary failing is an inability to think in a logical manner. Too much self-hatred for any rational sense to make its way through.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2013 at 10:52 am

"Yet there are still more unemployed people in CA than Texas, Oregon and West Virginia combined"

Can you provide links to this information? I know people who moved to Austin during the recession, and most are now coming back to California, and those still in Austin are telecommuting (work for CA company) and rethinking their decision since they have to fly to the Bay area quite often (not to mention the paycut they took!)


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2013 at 10:56 am

" I might cite Jim Brady and his wife Giselle recently purchasing a 30 million dollar mansion in so-cal. But that would probably only further confuse you."

And don't forget Romney, who has decided that he will be making California his home:

Web Link


Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 3, 2013 at 10:58 am

Here is another fact. California still has the third highest unemployment rate in the nation. So much for the tremendous job creation going on here. 234,000 new jobs would be significant in much smaller states but barely makes a dent here.
Web Link


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2013 at 11:37 am

Doug Miller claims that a 2.8% reduction in the state's unemployment rate and 234,000 newly created jobs 'barely makes a dent'. Yeah, and I guess the 132,000 new companies in the state 'barely makes a dent' also? Right.

Notice the shift from the usual right-wing lament that the state is losing jobs and companies to that of, well, the progress being made is barely a dent. Their mission of sowing misinformation and delusional rhetoric is barely dented by the facts.

Can you imagine the collective hissing sound of Doug and the rest of the right-wing fascist crowd were the numbers reversed? The sky is falling! A tsunami is coming!

Thanks Doug for demonstrating that right-wingers will say almost anything in hopes of keeping a few quarters in their own pockets. A real class act you are!


Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 3, 2013 at 12:36 pm

In spite of 234,000 new jobs and 132,000 new businesses, California still has the third highest unemployment rate in the nation. And concerning those who will say anything or sow disinformation, CA improved only 2.6%, not 2.8% as can be found on the current BLS website. This improvement in California was only slightly better than the national average of a 2.1% improvement during the same period. As for the 47 other states with lower unemployment rates, most of them are run by Republicans. Is it possible for progressives to respond without hurling insults or calling people names? Our president has asked us to tone down our rhetoric and have civil discussions.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2013 at 1:03 pm

On Doug Miller's reasoning, since California's recovery numbers (2.6%) are better than the national average (2.1%), and since most of the nation's states are Republican led, then Democratically led California must be doing a better job with recovery than most Republican states. Thanks Doug, and do try to keep that in mind.

Doug makes a big deal about 2.6% recovery v. 2.8% recovery. Why? The 2.6% serves his own anti-California sentiment. But earlier he called 2.6% 'barely making a dent'. I doubt he realizes how silly he sounds.

I'm happy that Doug is willing to give deference to President Obama's moral authority regarding public discourse. My 'name-calling' culled up no names that I didn't think Doug would gladly own up to. If he desires to set the record straight, well, that's what the forum is for.


Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 3, 2013 at 1:20 pm

Did I mention that Caifornia still has the third highest unemployment rate in the nation?


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2013 at 1:43 pm

Great rejoinder, Doug. Very impressive. Yes, California's home market took a huge hit during the Bush Administration - more so than many other states, part of the reason being that people would rather relocate to California rather than some of your utopian southern states like Texas, Alabam and Mississipp. This contributed to a higher unemployment rate. Beyond that, Cal has historically had a higher unemployment rate than other states -- see Ahnold's tenure for reference. So, assuming you're still with me, Doug, the state has had more ground to make up than other states. Yet, its reduction of unemployment is well above the nation's average, as you point out, and its creation of new businesses is skyrocketing relative to other states, as you conveniently neglect to mention. All in all, then, only an ostrich wedded to the idea that anything progressive is bad could reasonably deny that California's recovery is on the upswing.


Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 3, 2013 at 2:21 pm

"Dennis" does make a valid point. Without all the improvement he mentions, this state would probably have the highest state unemployment rate, not the third highest.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2013 at 2:37 pm

Since "Doug" does not attempt to dispute any of my other claims above, I'll assume he accepts their validity.


Posted by Dem shill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Dennis, where do you sign up to get your current job of democrat apologist and chief propagandist? No one in their right mind cheer leads California starting to tread water in spite of a dem majority without being paid to shill. You've also learned to employ the dem play book in repeating lies often enough to make them true in some low information voter's minds.
You've done a masterful job selling this 'utopia', for what reason, God only knows.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Well, dem shill, you really know how to keep your eyes fixed on the data. It's so much easier simply to call someone a liberal or a shill than to actually contest what someone says. Hope you feel better now that you've relieved yourself. But I can tell you, you've impressed no one.


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Feb 5, 2013 at 9:37 am

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Dennis, you're sooo impressive with your reference to a 'CBS 1/4' report, for which you couldn't even figure out how to link to. Keep repeating the same lies or provide proof of your flowery situation you claim exists in our state.
Now, that would be impressive, but none of us living through this extended dem recession are holding our breath. Either provide proof or go away.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 5, 2013 at 9:51 am

You've made the same point, ad nauseum, when posting as 'lancem', New Recession, 'dem loser thorp' and now as the diseased one. Rather than attempt to refute the data, widely available across the internet but beyond your limited capability, you unload your stinking venon on all of us. Sorry, I haven't the expertise to deal with your sickness. As for the data, it really is pretty straightforward. It must be frustrating for you to be at war against reality.


Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 5, 2013 at 4:17 pm

So far no one has refuted the fact that California, with all of the recent job creation and new businesses formed, has the third highest unemployment rate in the nation. But I would say to all, please avoid name calling and insults.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 5, 2013 at 5:07 pm

So, Doug, you've thought about this conversation long and hard and this is what you come up with? Again?

Well, Doug, I have a neighbor down the street with a parrot that constantly squawks: "My favorite color is red." So there.

This fact that you seem to be so obsessed with means nothing if that fact is not placed into a larger context that gives meaning to it. For larger context, see, for example, California's accelerating job recovery; see California's new housing starts; see California's impressive business start-ups over the past couple of years.

But you seem stuck on the unemployment rate in a state that has for many years had a much higher unemployment rate than other states, but which has recently shown clear signs of significant decrease in that rate. I guess it must be because you and your Repubican brethren care so much about other people having jobs.

Perhaps next post, you'll consider actually putting forward an argument rather than simply a contextless fact. You might start with a challenge to the numerous facts I've presented or the validity claims which have given them some meaning.

A pretty smart fellow once said: concepts without facts are hollow; facts without concepts are blind. I've presented facts and explanations, but apparently you're unable to see them.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm

"So far no one has refuted the fact that California..."

What's to refute? It is true.

While were on the subject of not answering, did you see my follow up on the thread a while ago about AIG considering suing the government for not getting good enough terms on their bailout. You said something about banks being forced to lend to unfit borrowers. Then I said AIG wasn't a bank, didn't lend to borrowers, and wasn't forced. They got bailed out because they screwed up. It is related to this thread because proper regulation could have prevented AIG's bailout. In the same way California's regulation of business can create a favorable climate for business' and people just as easily as it can create an unfavorable one.


Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 5, 2013 at 11:04 pm

"Dennis" has added some great points and important context to this discussion. In addition to recent job creation and new businesses formed, there are other important anecdotal developments that have improved California's employments situation to the third worst in the nation. This is better than being the worst, or second worst.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 6, 2013 at 12:30 am

Re. that parrot down my street that squawks "My favorite color is red." Of course, we don't expect much more from a parrot.

We've learned here not to expect much more from Doug.

@Patriot, I recall your response to Doug Miller's naive claim regarding AIG. Given what he's "offered" on this thread, surely you don't expect any kind of rigorous defense from him on AIG, do you? That, it seems to me, would be like expecting a parrot to do algebra. Three. Squawk. Three. Squawk. Three.


Posted by anti-progressive neanderthal, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 6, 2013 at 1:33 am

The original poster focuses on jobs numbers that my or may not be true, or may be just higher numbers benchmarked against extreme lows. Numbers are easy to manipulate or parse for political purposes. What's more important is the overall employment rate. Even more important than the jobs numbers or employment rate is the financial health of the state, county, city ,or special district.

I believe when the new financial reporting requirements take effect for government entities, which will require/demand increased transparency, the financial outlook is significantly more troubling then what's currently reported to the public. City government finances, special district finances, and school district finances will soon look very ugly in full sunlight.


Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 7, 2013 at 10:04 am

Doug Miller is a registered user.

To add some additional data, a review of BLS data for each month in 2012 shows that at the beginning of the year California had the second or third worst unemployment rate in the nation depending on the month. But with the progress in job creation and new business formation, California finished the year with the third worst unemployment rate in the nation.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 7, 2013 at 10:48 am

There's the parrot again. Squawk-Squawk. When you come up with an explanation or an argument, Doug, please revisit us. Until then, you'll have to somehow reconcile California's rate of recovery being considerably more robust than the majority of Republican-governed states.

Perhaps I'm being insensitive to your needs. I'm sorry if you're unable to find employment. You see, in California because of a strong resurgence of company start-ups there are many thousands of jobs available for skilled workers. Unfortunately, many folks - often transplants from Mississipp, Oklahome, Alabam, and other utopian meccas - and probably yourself, don't have an adequate skill set relative to the needs of companies in SF, say, or the Silicon Valley. This might explain why you're unable to read beyond the thinnest sliver of information that you've selectively chosen to offer us, without argument, without explanation, to our disappointment. Have you thought about going back to school? You might pick up that high school diploma or AA degree you never attained, or convert a limited skill set into something that might get you back into the labor force. California has one of the very best educational systems in the world. Wishing you all best in your endeavors, and God bless.


Posted by Dougmiller94566@gmail.com, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 8, 2013 at 8:23 am

Why must "Dennis" must continually resort to insults and personal attacks to distract from the basic facts regarding unemployment in California? The bottom line is that with all of the so-called improvements cited by "Dennis", the relative ranking of the California unemployment situation has not changed in the past 12 months when compared to the other 49 states. It currently ranks 47th worst in the nation, up only slightly from 48th worst a year ago. So much for the impact of robust job creation and new companies formed here in this state.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 8, 2013 at 10:20 am

Faced with improvement in California's job creation, Doug, I can understand why you're chagrined. Any good news while Obama and Brown are in office translates into bad news for you, thereby putting your rather stunted notion of politics in front of the good of the state or nation. Too bad, though the silver lining may be that demographic trends indicate that you and other Republican old white guys will soon be kicking the bucket.

Surveys show California's upswing on the job front and new business creation are enough to place the state at the front of the pack for well over a year now. While there is still much ground to be made up, an outcome of Ahnold's administration as well as other factors, California's rate of progress is undeniable. All you can do is ignore the progress and instead hang your hat on one number. Now, if you desire to compare California, with its relatively well-paying jobs, with so many of the 'right to work for peanuts' states, well then, knock yourself out.

I do hope you take to heart my recommendation about taking advantage of this state's educational opportunities. Going back to high school or junior college might help you think about the world using lenses that enable you to see facts within constellations of other facts. So, too, it might enable you to formulate arguments by using facts an edifice of facts, rather than sitting on a single brick, which is what you've decided to do. But, alas, all this may be too late for you. Sorry, and all best.



Posted by Dougmiller94566@gmail.com, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 8, 2013 at 10:04 pm

"Surveys show California's upswing on the job front and new business creation are enough to place the state at the front of the pack for well over a year now. "

Unfortunately this has had no impact on the dismal employment climate in California. This state still has the third worst unemployment rate in the nation, virtually unchanged in the past year.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2013 at 12:17 am

Doug, you seem a bit stuck on a statistic without showing much understanding of its significance. Instead of parroting this fact, why don't you attempt to explain for us its significance? I think other readers and myself have a pretty good idea why you don't, as it probably relates to how you don't see any difference in new, skilled, well-paid jobs in the Silicon Valley and selling burritos part-time at a sidewalk taco stand in Laredo Texas. Please try to demonstrate for us that you are not the ignorant rube that's being strongly implied in your repetitive posts.


Posted by Dougmiller94566@gmail.com, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 9, 2013 at 8:16 am

The only way to evaluate the tremendous job creation and new business formation here in California is to consider the impact on the unemployment rate and then compare that to the unemployment rate in the country as a whole. Surprisingly, after a year of this so-called progress, California still has the third highest unemployment rate in the nation. That is the bottom line in this discussion. Talking about right to work laws or where some people would prefer not to live is an attempt to distract the discussion from the inconvenient truth about the economy here in California. Continuing to hurl insults at someone who disagrees with this viewpoint demonstrates a weak argument and a lack of character.


Posted by Dennis Winthrop, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2013 at 12:11 pm

Saying the same thing over and over, without considering others' validity claims, is the mark of softheadedness.


Posted by Dougmiller94566@gmail.com, a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 10, 2013 at 9:22 am

Exactly! A claim of validity has been put forth about job creation in California which fails when put into the context of a more comprehensive set of facts. The population of this state is 45% larger than the second largest state. So, claiming that California leads the nation in job creation can be true in the strictest sense when only comparing raw numbers. However, when these job creation numbers are then evaluated based on the population of the various states, the claim that California is leading the way falls apart. In spite of job creation here, California continues to have the third highest unemployment rate in the nation. The comparative rate for California has remained almost unchanged in the past 12 months based on BLS data.


Posted by Homer , a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 10, 2013 at 9:52 am

I like what Doug says. I too like to stick to just one statistic because context confuses me. Mmmm...beer...