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Talking Points

Original post made on Aug 22, 2008

I have a motto that if half the readers aren't ticked off at us, we're not doing our job. We can't please everyone, nor do we want to. The beauty of diversity and democracy is that we can have a difference of opinion.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, August 22, 2008, 12:00 AM

Comments

Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Aug 22, 2008 at 9:15 am

I think what rankles people's feathers around here is the seemingly uneven moderation of threads. Take for example the 2 potentially libelous posts from 9 hours ago at Web Link regarding Ramirez-Holmes. I do have to wonder why that hasn't been censored yet since it seems to me to violate the Terms of Use. I assume either PW does not have enough people or time to spend monitoring the forum or the PW doesn't consider it libelous.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Country Fair
on Aug 22, 2008 at 9:56 am

WOW, I took a look at the web link in Stacey's post. This is trailer trash politics at it's worst. Karl Rove is a saint compared to these people.
Weekly, since you allow anonymous postings like this, are you going to pick up the tab for the damage done to people's reputations when they are personally attacked on your blog?
Pleasanton deserves better than this garbage.


Posted by Edwards, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2008 at 10:11 am


But is it true? We see this type of behavior as a test of character for our leaders.










Posted by Mike, a resident of Country Fair
on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:32 am

This is about someone's private life which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Ms. Ramirez-Holmes is a private citizen, not a public official.
Weekly, it is time to stop this gargage.


Posted by Edwards, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Perhaps, but isn't that the question in this story? The subject in this story is also a private citizen that puts herself in a public position much like Ms. Holmes. If the statement is false then it should be pulled.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Danbury Park
on Aug 22, 2008 at 4:20 pm

(Comment deemed inappropriate by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff)


Posted by Harper Valley PTA, a resident of Harvest Park Middle School
on Aug 22, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Is this the same Angela Holmes that is vice president of the Pleasenton PTA?

It probably should be removed.





Posted by frank, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Aug 22, 2008 at 7:47 pm

Let's take the following posted item:

(Comment deemed inappropriate by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff) (A quote from expert law website.)

"Most jurisdictions also recognize "per se" defamation, where the allegations are presumed to cause damage to the plaintiff. Typically, the following may consititute defamation per se:

Attacks on a person's professional character or standing;
Allegations that an unmarried person is unchaste;
Allegations that a person is infected with a sexually transmitted disease;
Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude; "

(Comment deemed inappropriate by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff)
Now for libel:

"Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed or fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper." (Slander is usually verbal, and transitory.)

So, would you agree that Ms Ramirez-Holmes has been libelously defamed?

Of course, in a lawsuit the defendent can claim TRUTH as a defense.

"The most important defense to an action for defamation is "truth", which is an absolute defense to an action for defamation. "

Can poster of the statement prove the statement he/she made in a court of law? I, personally, doubt it. Of course, poster is protected from the nearly complete anonymity of this website.

(In the same thread I found it amusing that a counterfeit "Stacey" claimed to be listing the text messages between Hostermann and Rameriz-Holmes. Another form of libelous defamation? )




Posted by Nate Hawthorne, a resident of Downtown
on Aug 23, 2008 at 1:50 pm

I've read that Ms. Ramirez-Holmes often attends city council meetings, wasn't it something scathing like, "she sits in the back row texting Mayor Hosterman and councilperson Cook-Callio......." (both of whom she works for?)
Perhaps we'll all recognize her on TV now-with the large scarlet "A" on her bodice.
Watch out Ms. R-Holmes the Puritans are on patrol!

Really, don't people have something else to talk about?


Posted by Diane, a resident of Canyon Oaks
on Aug 23, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Frank,

It the person that posted is the starter wife she would be able to support the accusations and deserve the opportunity to make the facts public. Perhaps there is a custody situation that prohibits her using her name.
When my mother found herself a member of the first wives club, no job, and kids to raise she wanted people to know who the two people were that were responsible.

From a perspective of social responsibility I have no tolerance for "the other woman".


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2008 at 9:47 pm

From the perspective of social responsibility I have no respect for people who participate in character assassination, especially when trying to discredit someone's service to our community because one does not agree with her or his position or those with whom she or he associates.


Posted by Edward, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2008 at 10:22 am


Are we still talking about Ramirez-Holmes? How is working as a paid consultant service to our community?

Clearly a majority of our country believe family values are a measure of character for public persons.

Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Newt Gingrich, Gary Hart, James E. McGreevey, Wilbur Mills, Gary Condit etc. all of this has made this a legitimate topic.



Posted by anonymous, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2008 at 10:29 am

Unsubstantiated claims on an anonymous blog is NOT evidence of lack of character but making those unsubstantiated claims IS evidence of lack of character. It is character assassination at it worse because the blogger does not have to accept responsibility for the TRUTH of the information.




Posted by anonymous, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2008 at 10:30 am

or should I say UNTRUTH of the accusation.