Patriots or Communists?
Original post made by Cindy Cross on Oct 6, 2011
Thousands are gathering on Wall Street in New York City to protest corporate greed, defense spending, and the huge disparity between the middle and upper classes. They claim that their goal is to make a statement to the world that America is now run by corporationsnot elected government officials.
Starting out as a small group protesting on Wall Street, it has flourished into a nationwide collective of people of all ages tired of the status quo. One protester in New York held a sign reading, "Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy rotten system."
But right wing pundits such as Sean Hannity have classified these protesters as 'communists and un-American.' GOP candidate Herman Cain said of the protesters, "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself," said Cain. "It is not someone's fault if they succeeded. It is someone's fault if they failed."
Earlier this week, Mitt Romney described the protests as "class warfare" and "dangerous." Romney was quoted as saying, 'corporations are people too' during a GOP rally in late summer. If we use Romney's logic, corporations are a sum of its parts, like a person, with the front line employees being the blood supply; the worker bees who keep the corporation afloat. The accounting and finance department would be the brains and the heart would be the CEO; without a healthy heart beat, the corporation would die. One important part of this 'person' is missing, and that would be its soul; the intangible essence of a 'person.' Without a soul one would be in a league with a megalomaniac or a sociopath. Most, if not all, serial killers are sociopaths. Using Romney's logic, corporations are serial killers. They kill people (jobs) without remorse and with impunity. They continue their bloodlust (making money) until they are either caught (fraud), are killed (bankruptcy), or are re-habilitated (government bailout). There are good corporations out there with 'souls', companies run by CEOs who care about the blood running through its veinsits employees. But how many are there? So few in fact, that people are protesting in the thousands.
The Occupy Wall Street Movement, as the media is calling it, has spread to other cities throughout the country, including Boston, Chicago, Washington D.C., Seattle, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.
The big question is whether these protesters should be considered communists or patriots? Right wingers call them communists and un-American, while the left-wing calls them patriots looking out for average Americans.
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said of the protesters, "God bless them for their spontaneity. It's young, it's spontaneous, it's focused and it's going to be effective."
We shall see how effective they are, and how long the protests will last.
on Oct 7, 2011 at 10:08 am
After a long surge of extremist politics on both sides, I'm beginning to take a laissez faire attitude. What I mean is that bulbous social reaction is actually a symptom a deeper issue. Yes, the pustule sore on the outside is really just an indication of a deeper malady. This is true on both side of the political equation. To say that Wall Street is NOT greedy is naive, yet to wear purple hair on the streets is pesky. To say that deprecate social spending is outrageous is obvious, but to disdain people because of a lower social class is repellent.
I'm beginning to look at the core problem and then the cure, not the symptom so I can scream bloody murder. I'm feeling much better now.
on Oct 7, 2011 at 10:44 am
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One way to tell what the truth is in politics nowadays is that it's usually the exact opposite of what Nancy Pelosi says it is. It's not spontaneous, it's astroturf. Watch this video, an interview with one of the main organizers from the "New Party" Web Link
Watch this video from with one of the early planners of this protest, it takes 7 minutes for him to describe their motivations and what they are planning, but he gets to it eventually Web Link
Facts about the backgrounds of these organizers:
* The Working Families Party was established in the 90s by key members of the the socialist organizations The New Party, ACORN, SEIU, and a coalition of other labor unions and community organizations.
* Patrick Gaspard, the current executive director of the DNC, former director of Obama's Office of Political Affairs, was an organizer for the New Party, the executive vice president of the SEIU Local 1199, political director for Bertha Lewis (the former president of ACORN) and a co-chair of the Working Families Party.
* The New Party is a socialist political coalition co-founded in 1992 by academic and political activist Joel Rogers.
* The first strategic meetings to plan the New Party were held in Joel Rogers' Madison, Wisconsin home; Wade Rathke, ACORN and SEIU founder and Gerry Hudson from Democratic Socialists of America and SEIU were in attendance at those meetings.
* The New Party's influential Chicago chapter began to formed in January 1995. Its members consisted mainly of individuals from ACORN, SEIU and the Democratic Socialists of America. Obama attended a New Party function and received their endorsement in 1995.
Note please, that these are all facts, and that the videos are the words of the organizers themselves.
The New Party organizer states quite clearly that the goal is to bring european style socialism to the United States. That alone tells you these people are not the 99%, and that they are un-American. Real communists have different goals, but there are many communists among these protesters, watch the video from Ch 13 in Sacramento last night. The reporter focuses on the lack of an articulable message, but watch for the communist at 1:58 into the video.
The group that got this party started, started the New Party and got Barack Obama started in politics. As Mr Obama himself said just before his election "We are 5 days from fundamentally transforming America" Web Link
on Oct 7, 2011 at 2:09 pm
"Herman Cain said of the protesters, "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself," said Cain. "It is not someone's fault if they succeeded. It is someone's fault if they failed."
A reason you should never vote for someone like Herman Cain or Barack Obama. What he doesn't understand is that many of the people at the big banks and insurance companies did fail and failed completely as a result of their own bad decisions. The derivative traders at AIG's proprietary trading desk had no one to blame but themselves for running the company into bankruptcy. The trouble is that the Department of Treasury and the Federal Reserve rushed in to bail them out. In doing so not only did they reward failure, but they created large distortions in the markets and created counterproductive incentives that encourage a company to grow and take on more debt than is prudent. What's worse, a large number of the traders who brought down AIG never paid a price for their failure and in fact got large bonuses for their trouble, courtesy of the taxpayer.
Many people in the Tea Party movement and in these Wall Street protests sense that something was fundamentally wrong with these bailouts. There is a great deal of overlap in what they say. I disagree with much that is said by both these groups, but I have to agree when they speak out against the way these bailouts were handled. This was crony capitalism at its very worst. The Frank/Dodd bill never adequately addressed the too big to fail problem or the problem of properly regulating over-the-counter derivatives. Democrats and Republicans have both played a large role it creating the policies that caused our current economic problems.
Jimf01, when you going to join us in the Tea Party and the Wall Street protests in condemning the bailouts or at least condemning the way the bailouts were handled by both presidents and congress?