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Parcel tax potentially targets senior citizens!!!

Original post made by Ray Johnson, Country Fair, on Mar 8, 2011

I read on another posting about language in the parcel tax which addresses seniors. I made my parents aware of this provision (and no they were not aware of it) and they requested that I make all seniors aware of the specifics of it. Section 5 of the parcel tax reads as follows:

"Additionally, any persons who are either (a) 65 years of age or older or (b) receiving supplemental security Income for a disability, regardless of age, and the owner of a parcel used solely for the owner occupied, single-family residential purposes, MAY obtain an exemption from the levy of parcel tax, by submitting ANNUALLY an application of such owners or person, PRIOR TO JUNE 15 OF EACH YEAR, to the district."

So the point is that my parents in their 80's, no longer drive, are to remember to get a ride down to the district office each year prior to June 15th. to apply for a possible annual exemption? Of course if they ask I will comply but clearly this is an attempt by the authors and supporters of this initiative to get more money from seniors by hoping they do not apply for the exemption in the beginning for forget as years go by. Seniors please be aware of this.

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 8, 2011 at 9:02 am

Stacey is a registered user.

The June 15th deadline is simply to ensure that the paperwork gets done before the county tax bill is put together. If anyone misses it and is entitled to the exemption, they just pay the full amount on the tax bill and then apply for a refund.


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Posted by Ray Johnson
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 8, 2011 at 9:32 am

Stacey,

You do not really believe that. If they did not intend to get money from seniors then why not just let them have the exemption for the life of the parcel tax? Why? because they want the seniors to forget about the filing date and pay the tax each year that is why.


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Posted by Sal
a resident of Downtown
on Mar 8, 2011 at 9:42 am

This post is a classic example of right-wing, Tea Party fear mongering.


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Posted by Jen
a resident of Del Prado
on Mar 8, 2011 at 9:55 am

Sal,

mongering? it is taken right from the initiative itself. Just facts I guess and unpleasant ones at that.


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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2011 at 10:26 am

I'm failing to see what is unpleasant. Ray, many seniors fully intend to pay the parcel tax. I personally think there should not be any exemption at all.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm

I think in all the forums that I have read to date, I have not noticed anyone calling attention to the fact that 1)we already pay $475 in extra property taxes to the Pleasanton schools and 2)the school district got rid of all school buses so that this saving could be passed on to pure educational needs.

So to say that Pleasanton residents have not supported their schools like other cities, is a bit two faced. I think Pleasanton was one of the first to vote in a parcel tax for a joint city/school sponsorship of facilities.

The fact is we have been paying a parcel tax for many years. Parents have been taking care of the responsibility of getting their kids to schools. Where is all this money that the district supposedly was saving?


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Posted by Old Timer
a resident of Del Prado
on Mar 8, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Ray,

Thanks for posting this because I just came back from the center and most seniors are talking about this and were unaware that they had to reapply each year for the extension if it were to pass. Thank you for the information it was very appreciated.


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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2011 at 1:28 pm

"The fact is we have been paying a parcel tax for many years. "

It wasn't a parcel tax. It is a bond that can only be used for facilities.

"Where is all this money that the district supposedly was saving? "

It has been going towards making the Pleasanton Unified School District one of the best in the state.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2011 at 2:15 pm

The bond was for facilities improvements, something that many of the No on E posters here benefited from if they went to Pleasanton schools.


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Posted by long time parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2011 at 4:47 pm

These are bonds that were supposed to be paid off already. They go back to 1988. I have heard the district refinanced the bonds. Maybe they did that to extend the terms to keep collecting?

On the senior exemption, there is no prevision in the parcel tax initiative for a refund if the date is missed. By law they have to state that.

Also, I wonder how much we are paying in administrative fees to collect the paperwork for the exemptions and dealing with the confusion.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm

Regardless of whether it is bonds or parcel tax, it is money coming out of my pocket for the school district.

If the school district chose to refinance the bonds, that is not their problem. It is my problem because I am the one having to continually pay for it. If the school district wants voters to approve more bonds or parcel taxes, why don't they pay off their debts instead of increasing taxpayers liability even more?

It may make good sense to the district finance office, but it makes a terrible sale to the poor taxpayers who never get the pink slip on their purchase.

Can someone be more specific about where the money saved by discontinuing the school bus service goes towards? When you hear about the perks enjoyed by the administrative staff, you wonder if the 14 years I was hauling my kids to school helped to pay the superintendant's car allowance, home loan, or retirement pension.


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Posted by Brett
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Mar 8, 2011 at 7:13 pm

Well I did some research today and yes you guys are correct, there are no provisions in "E" for the seniors to get there money back if they miss the exemption date nor is there any relief for a relative filing the paperwork for them unless they have signed over power of attorney. The filing date is a hook to nail seniors who miss the date or forget to file each year..no exceptions at all. As a matter of fact they are counting on a percent of misses as part of the revenue assumptions. Don't believe me?, call the Fremont Unified School District or San Ramon and they will tell you same thing. As matter of fact ask our new Superintendent who came from Fremont because she is very well aware of this issue.


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Posted by long time parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2011 at 10:02 pm

Bill, the Management staff at the district office each take home $600 per month for auto allowances.

Just getting rid of the auto allowance will pay for the Barton Reading Program.

Overly generous auto allowance that should have been removed.


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Posted by Cutting Coupons
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 9, 2011 at 7:01 am

In the district I taught in many years ago, administrators were reimbursed by the mile for travel. Conidering the district's finances, maybe that would be a more realistic mode of travel rather than a car allowance.


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Posted by Why not make the admin pay
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 7:35 am

Maybe the superintendent can pay my parcel tax and that of 71 more homeowners in Pleasanton - she can do that with her car allowance.

After all, she is all for the tax and I am against it.


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Posted by Yet Another Teacher
a resident of Hart Middle School
on Mar 9, 2011 at 9:09 am

[Post removed because it was inane and did not further the conversation]


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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:09 am

Seniors should not be exempt. They are already getting a sweet deal with Medicare and Social Security, and those are both putting the entire country into a debt trap.

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Posted by reasonable
a resident of Danbury Park
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:39 am

Seniors on a fixed income have already paid their share. They can not be expected to keep up with rising costs.

No on E!


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Posted by Allen
a resident of another community
on Mar 9, 2011 at 11:11 am

What ever happened to the Lottery money that was suppose to be the cure all for the schools financial problems, we sure got duped on that one didn't we.


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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 11:15 am

"Seniors on a fixed income have already paid their share. "

Talk about entitlement. Seniors are not entitled to put the country in unsustainable debt. What is worse, they don't even have to pay the parcel tax. Didn't you know that? They should pay it, because I am paying for their handouts (social security, medicare, and medicaid) and enough is enough. I am paying for their handouts. Their handouts are wrecking the federal budget. It is time for entitlement reform. It is unsustainable.


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Posted by Gramps
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 9, 2011 at 11:36 am

Comment,

You are right! They are our greatest generation and built the country that we have ruined because of our hated of business, multiple wars, pet projects, wasteful spending, government workers entitlement programs, high teacher guaranteed salaries. Yes let's take what they are owed afterall they only worked 40 years to get the point they could retire. Give me a break they should not pay a dime unless they elect to. This "E" proposition in nothing other than a con of the old people because the exemption should not even have to be applied for nor should this be a mail in ballot. I suspect even if it were to remotely pass it will be declared illegal.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm

"Seniors should not be exempt."

I agree but not for the same reason as you. THey should not be exempt and that way if they do not want to have to pay, they need to vote and vote no. If they either vote yes or they do not vote because "it does not affect me" and the tax passes, by all means they should pay.

"They are already getting a sweet deal with Medicare and Social Security, and those are both putting the entire country into a debt trap.""

Social security, medicare need reform, but so do pensions for public employees. I know a retired teacher who is now in his/her 80s and has been retired since he/she was 60. That is a lot of money paid every month to this person, and what he/she put in his/her pension is nothing compared to what he/she has already taken.


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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 12:53 pm

" Yes let's take what they are owed "

What do you mean "they are owed"? My taxes are paying their Social Security and Medicare. Those are the biggest part of the federal spending at a time when we can't afford it. They are the problem. You can't fix the budget problem without fixing entitlements.

"They are our greatest generation and built the country "

Greatest generation, ha!! I guess George Washington, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson's generation weren't that great? Those guys didn't "build the country"? And wasn't the "greatest generation" the one that elected FDR over and over? How's that for "our hated of business, multiple wars, pet projects, wasteful spending, government workers entitlement programs"? Nothing to do with FDR or Truman? They voted for those guys and now the rest of us are paying the price. Maybe if they had planned a little they wouldn't have to keep stealing my money! Enough is enough!


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Posted by Gramps
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm

Comment,

First, a little history lesson. Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were Federalists and believed that the only levy was a commerce tax on goods sold from state to state to support a small federal army and a small one at that. There was no such thing as an income tax or sales tax until around 1915 and a small one at that. Since then we have added property taxes, sales taxes, state income taxes, federal income taxes, estate taxes, cigarette taxes, capital gains tax, inputed income tax et al. Social Security as described in the orginal bill was to be a short term retirement SUBSIDY and never intended to be a retirement plan. It was only after our wonderful politicans found out that could buy votes that it became an institution as did welfare, food stamps, unemployment, extended unemployement, headstart, school lunch subsidies, and last but not least the give away of all time for votes............healthy pay, benefits, and retirements for unionized government workers. My folks paid into social security for over 40 years and had no choice whatsoever about that and would have rather invested it themselves and would have gotten a greater return on investment for sure. I am not sure who did it but when social security was put into the general fund it was all over. I want to say it was either Johnson or Nixon but not sure. So after we eliminate long term military bases in Germany 50,000 troops, South Korea 40,000 troops, Bosnia 20,000 troops, Diego Garcia, Philipines, Okinawa 60,000 troops, foreign aid to countries all over the world, 90% of the funding to the worthless United Nations of graft, free this, funding for that .........after all of this worthless stuff is reduced then come back and let's talk about taking care of the elders of this country and how we do it. So much for this stinking parcel tax.


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Posted by long time parent
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 1:33 pm

"What ever happened to the Lottery money that was suppose to be the cure all for the schools financial problems, we sure got duped on that one didn't we."

Interesting that the parcel tax money they expect to raise is the same amount that the district does get from the lottery. The district calls the parcel tax a stable fund that will solve their problems but they have never said that about the lottery, which is the same amount.


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Posted by Hey Gramps
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 2:32 pm

Hey Gramps,

They also didn't have income back then. The government didn't print money back then. You died at the age of 35 back then.

Taxes are a necessary evil. If you don't want to pay them, move to a remote corner of the globe and become self-sufficient. Even farmers benefit from out tax code and financial system.

Part of being a member of a society is contributing to that society and ensuring its success.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Oak Hill
on Mar 9, 2011 at 4:33 pm

Let's not forget that we retired folks have been paying into the Social Security fund (as well as our employers) since our first day of work. And, we have also been paying into the Medicare fund since in began.

So, just give me all the money I've put in, minus what I've received since I retired, and I'll go on my way.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 6:14 pm

There is a direct correlation between the quality of our Pleasanton schools and the value of your home. MANY people move here because of the quality of our schools, parks, downtown, etc., and that is why your home is more valuable here relative to some other cities. To say that you are not willing to pay a premium to support these causes, is to say that you do not care about the premium value of your Pleasanton home.


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Posted by Gramps
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 9, 2011 at 6:25 pm

b,

That is complete nonsense and you know it. Not one teacher has lost their job and our city employees are getting rich so your home values should be should be through the roof so I encourage everyone here to go to www.zillow.com and check out the value of your home...........I bet it has dropped like a bomb...why? massive debt, unemployment, and people leaving the state because of high taxes and opportunities elsewhere in business and employment friendly states. So b, don't bs yourself.


Joe they cannot give it back to you and me because they have given it away all over the world to people who have not contributed a dime.

Want to see another ticking timebomb and it is ticking faster, watch gas prices, impacts everything.


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Posted by compassionate
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 6:52 pm

This poor guy, Gramps. Filled with venom and hate. Can afford to live in Pleasanton but feels oppressed by one of the lowest tax rates in the civilized world. Shouts at anyone who will give him some attention. Lives in a relatively enlightened community, and that bothers him too. I wish there was a way to help him.


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Posted by s
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 9, 2011 at 7:42 pm

I see that 'b', the union representative, continues to support any tax increase that gives his union members more money. 'b' has posted in every forum dealing with the city or the school district and states that public employees are underpaid, need more pensions, and the stock market will climb to 25,000 soon so forget about what you read in the papers. It is consistent that 'b' will support the parcel tax, the 'tax for raises'.


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Posted by Poor boy
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Mar 9, 2011 at 8:09 pm

Compassionate,

You have a point please give all you money, if you have any to the union because it is your right to give you money to whomever you choose but fortunately for the rest of us it is not your choice to give ours away.


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 9, 2011 at 8:18 pm

Ray

Thanks for the info judging by the number of hits here and discussion at the Senior Center we are aware we are being targeted


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 8:49 pm

Hi Mary, what is the general feel for this at the Senior Center? Are people mostly supportive or not supportive of the parcel tax?


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Posted by Experienced
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 9, 2011 at 8:57 pm

I've been at the center for the past 40 years. They're coming after us. The YES people. In droves. We've been targeted and they're going to toss us up in the air like dart boards. They've been scheming and conniving for years to squeeze us dry. I hope the NO people will save us. They're willing to sacrificed those who gave for most of their lives for children, mere children, who probably spend most of their time listening to snoopy poop dog.


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:32 pm

"I bet it has dropped like a bomb...why? massive debt, unemployment, and people leaving the state because of high taxes and opportunities elsewhere in business and employment friendly states."

You're kidding, right? There was a housing bubble all across the nation, fed by Wall Street speculation an mortgages bundled into bonds and credit default swaps tied to them? Unemployment shot up after the fact.


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:35 pm

"Joe they cannot give it back to you and me because they have given it away all over the world to people who have not contributed a dime."

Social Security is already paying out more than it has taken in. Medicare is in far worse shape. Current taxpayers are paying your Social Security and Medicare. And by the way, once you pay it in taxes, it isn't yours anymore.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 6:29 am

Prices dropped EVERYWHERE, my friend. Pleasanton's prices have remained very stable relative to other places, thanks to this remaining a popular place to LIVE, rather than just flip houses.

By the way, this "crash" simply took Pleasanton home prices from 2007 peaks back down to 2003 levels. If you'd lived here more than 3 years in 2007-08, it didn't even touch you! For the past two years, prices have remained stable and sales have been pretty healthy--a house in my neighborhood just sold after less than a week on the market. What a snoozer this housing bubble has been in Pleasanton, thank goodness.

I'm here to protect my quality of life. We enjoy many benefits from our school and city services, and need to pay our fair share.


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Posted by King
a resident of Downtown
on Mar 10, 2011 at 6:49 am

b,

Everyone knows you are a teacher or lone beholding and on the dole for free taxpayer money so what you say seems to me to be not real valid and always just a blatant defense of taxing more. Home prices have really dropped in the last few months and in some areas of town to the lowest level in years according to the site and it is just a fact. Another fact is that this bill goes after seniors and also like others here I believe even if this thing gets passed which it won't it will be overturned in court because of the way to vote is being conducted.


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Posted by King
a resident of Downtown
on Mar 10, 2011 at 6:53 am

Here is a tax that should be considered in Pleasanton since we have evolved into a town of bloodsuckers.


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Posted by bobbyD
a resident of Del Prado
on Mar 10, 2011 at 9:09 am

Welcome to the Pleasanton Weekly Town Square Forum, aka the Tea Party Rant Page.


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Posted by yes on E
a resident of Danbury Park
on Mar 10, 2011 at 9:17 am

If you are for "E" please stop posting to this blog because it is just keeping it out front for all to see. The more you post here the longer this topic stays out in front and the more the seniors and others against "E" are aware of the backdoor revenue inclusion of seniors. Please stop


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Posted by anon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 9:21 am

Do you progressives who constantly dismiss everything you disagree with as tea party think this is strengthening your position with indpedents like me? It actually makes me more suspect of your position and motivations.

Just like with all parties, there are good elements and bad elements. Some of us actually take the time to decern the good ideas from all quarters. IHMO, the tea party's focus on fiscal issues is spot on. While I don't agree with the social aspects of the tea party, I do respect and appreciate their focus our fiscal issues. If we as a country don't get our fiscal house in order, nothing else matters in the long term (as proven over and over again in history).


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Posted by dorothy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 9:38 am

Thanks for your opinion, Steve. We've heard it before.

I support Measure E. For our children. For our teachers.


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 11:02 am

" If we as a country don't get our fiscal house in order"

And we won't be able to ever do that unless Wall Street is properly regulated.


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Posted by anon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 11:42 am

concerned - I completely agree. What I found very perplexing is that when the Democrats controlled both houses and the White House, all we got was the very disappointing financial regulation bill that was passed. It wouldn't have prevented the previous crisis and won't prevent the next.

I guess the Democrats are as bought by the financial oligarchy as the Republicans are.

I continue to be suprised by the continued progressive argument of wealth inequality in this country but no specific actions being taken to go after the laws that game the system for the top 1% (e.g. Private Equity firms still get taxed at 15%). Instead they seem to be putting most of their effort into protecting public employee unions that are really just shifting money from one middle class group (us who pay most of the taxes) to them while things remain the same for the top 1%.

This just tells me they are trying to protect their current entitlements without really trying to solve the underlying problems that are eroding the American dream for all.


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Posted by corrector
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 12:13 pm

Sorry there, pal, but progressives don't occupy the White House; nor have progressives ever controlled either of the houses. Some Democrats fall well short of being progressive. Usually they hail from backward, rural areas that have no bookstores and rely on religious radio stations to give them the news. Or they represent the good ol' boy South. Unfortunately, there are no progressives at all in the Republican party.

You should probably take a high school civics course which would teach you that all Dems don't necessarily think alike. Your thoughts about progressive thought and wealth distribution in the U.S. are, as per usual, ignorant and poorly thought out. Go back to your job of sitting in front of Fox News all day.


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Posted by anon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Where did I say that progressives controlled the houses and WH? I suggest you re-read my post.

Also, do you find your jerk/condescending approach helpful in general in your life?


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Posted by you already have it
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm

Joe says; "So, just give me all the money I've put in, minus what I've received since I retired, and I'll go on my way."
If you have been retired for more than a year or two you have most likely already gotten out more than the sum total of the dollars that you put into the system. That's the problem, years ago people put in minute amounts and they keep demanding COLAs from those of us who are supporting the system now. At least the SS system makes you wait until a reasonable age to start withdrawing it. Not so for the public pensions with their 2.7 at age 55 or 3% at 50 for cops and firemen. The SS system also limits how much other wage income a person can earn while still collecting it. Not so for the double dippers in the public pension system.
If you really want to get hot, investigate the SSI system and how a non-citizen can come to this country without ever contribution one stinking dime and they can collect money from the taxpayers. Now that's a real crime.


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Posted by corrector
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm

Sorry there, pal, I guess I got confused by your reference to Dems and then your confused leap to progressive arguments about wealth inequality. Truth be told, I don't read your posts very carefully.

My general approach to life obviously is a consequence of not listening to enough right-wing christian radio stations. By the way, care to define what a jerk approach is? Since you seem to be an expert in this. Is it something done in tandem with condescending, or does it have an independent status?


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Posted by reasonable
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 1:02 pm

How on earth can you say the parcel tax "target" seniors? Seniors are the only group being "targeted" for an opportunity to "opt out" !!!

Yes, it takes a little effort -- those that are really livid about paying for their granchildren's education or who are truly counting every penny will undoubtedly make the effort to get out of paying their $98 each year. If they are retired and not working they have all day to arrange for a cab or a ride if this is a priority to them and they cannot drive.

Everyone else has to pay regardless of their feelings or their budget.


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Posted by hot, really hot
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 10, 2011 at 1:06 pm

I've investigated the SSI system as recommended by 'you already have it' and let me tell you, I'm hot, hot, hot.

We need to round up that immigrant at her own expense, and ship her back to wherever she came from at her own expense, and then either place a special tax upon whomever invited her over here in the first place or round them up and ship them back to wherever too. AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE. I'm tired of the injustice in the country. Makes my blood boil.


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Posted by anon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 1:10 pm

corrector - here is some food for thought. I'm an atheist who watches neither Fox nor MSNC because they are both too biased (in opposite directions).

Maybe you should be a bit more careful with your simple categorization of people ...


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 10, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Unions to really get rid of -
American Bar Associtation (1 for you 99 for me)
American Medical Association (does it really cost that much?)
Good Old Boys Club for CEOs/CFOs (failure is an option)




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Posted by Pete
a resident of Danville
on Mar 10, 2011 at 1:25 pm

Say what? We have a liberal in the white house, Reid, Pelosi are both Libs, the California government is made up of Libs give me a break. Here is something that will really get you hot about social security. If you are a Canadian and have never worked nor lived in the US you are entitled to the full complement of social security benefits and payments if you married an American regardless of how long you have been married. I just moved back to California after having lived in Vancouver for the past 6 years and 2 of my neighbors there recently turned 62.5 and were americans so they drove to Washington to register. While there they were told that their spouses were also eligible for social security. They asked how that could be and were told "now you know why we are so messed up and the system is broke."


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Posted by HOT, REALLY HOT
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm

Yes, well I guess Pete doesn't know the difference between a Dem and a progressive either. But about SSI....

Now he's really got my blood boiling. I'm ready to bust a button!!! Canadians, ay? All they do is ice fish in the winter, which is always, and play board games at the bowling alley. The entire country should be forced to pay into our SSI fund in gratitude for being our neighbor. All we've done is protect them. Were it not for us, the Ruskies would have conquered them long ago. When I lived in Alaska I could see the Ruskies from my back window. They long harbored the sneaking ambition to invade Canada to establish walleye fishing rights. I know. Now Canadian spouses of US citizens collecting SS, ay. We should build a wall like we've built along our southern border. It's worked so well to keep out the Mexicans; lets build another to keep out the Canadians who are trying to take away my social security.


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Posted by Ha ha ha!
a resident of Del Prado
on Mar 10, 2011 at 3:31 pm

Pete,

and it doesn't look like you can read either. Where did you see Dem in Pete's remarks? I think a lib or liberal is a good reference to Progressive don't you think? Afterall, the tag of Progressive when people starting to revolt against the Liberal agenda. Progressive sounds so much more harmless and delusional don't you think? Just like when the NAZI's refer to themselves as National Socialists, just sounds better.


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Mar 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm

Janna is a registered user.

Pete,

If you really think Obama's a liberal, you don't know the definition.
No good liberal would give the GOP the chances Obama has given them. Now, had he shunned republicans when he got into office, I might agree with you.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 7:03 pm

Obama's a liberal?! Geez, he's pretty much ignoring the entire progressive agenda at this point.

Obama's current policy was Republican policy four years ago. We're talking about healthcare reform that was advocated and implemented by Mitt Romney, and immigration policy that is more conservative than where John McCain was 2-3 years ago.

The Republican Party has moved from Conservative to Downright Loopy. At least in their rhetoric. Their actual policy proposals are largely geared toward eliminating progressive programs and creating more tax loopholes--nothing yet that will actually help the deficits.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 7:08 pm

Democrats never had a true majority. Any attempt at moving this country forward the past two years was filibustered by the GOP in the Senate. Did you somehow miss that?


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Posted by Respect
a resident of Downtown
on Mar 10, 2011 at 7:17 pm

I do not think as a whole they are loopy at all and many understand that we are on the verge of economic disaster in the United States and we may have already crossed the line of no return in California. We need to have a serious dialogue about all of this is we expect to move forward as a country. We cannot and should not raise taxes in corporations because we are already the highest in the world with the possible exception of Japan but even Japans personal tax rate is extremely low but even there everyone pays a percent of their income with no free rides. If you were a lender would you loan California more money? I think if you were objective your answer would be a resounding no. Please watch carefully what is going on in New Jersey, Wisconsin, Ohio, Idaho, and Indiana because it is just small potatoes compared to what is coming our way. Going after or trying to trick our seniors with a tax regardless of your viewpoint is like spitting in the face of a tidalwave on its way. No nasty talk please just common sense comments please.


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Posted by Pati
a resident of Downtown
on Mar 11, 2011 at 11:50 am

So after reading the initiative why would they put in that seniors had to go down by June 15th. each year to apply for an exemption unless the intent was to deceive the older folks who might forget. Bigger than this it makes me wonder if there is something else in here they are trying to pull and if they would do something like that to the seniors what else do they have in store. I agree with others, very dirty dealing. They should just be upfront and say they want everyones money rather than trying to be sneaky.


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Posted by Maybe
a resident of Downtown
on Mar 11, 2011 at 12:01 pm

Maybe, Pati, they 'put it in' so as to inform seniors that they can apply for an exemption. Maybe, Pati, an effort to deceive would have made sure its authors did not 'put it in'. Maybe, Pati, you're very gullible and prone to conspiracy theories. Maybe, Pati, you find this to be 'very dirty dealing' because you have a real nose for dirt. Maybe, Pati, you should use your nose to dig up some more dirt and use it to toss more mud up on the wall. What possible unfortunate experience you must have had in your educational life is beyond me. But I feel badly for you.


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Posted by oHNo
a resident of Grey Eagle Estates
on Mar 11, 2011 at 7:29 pm

Secede from the Union! That's what Pleasanton should do.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 11, 2011 at 11:03 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Ray Johnson wrote: "You do not really believe that. If they did not intend to get money from seniors then why not just let them have the exemption for the life of the parcel tax? Why? because they want the seniors to forget about the filing date and pay the tax each year that is why."

I don't know why they would require seniors to have to apply annually. It isn't like one has to apply annually to receive the homeowner's exemption from the county. I do know that it would be possible for those entitled to the exemption to receive a refund if they didn't apply for the exemption prior to June 15th (see for example this Web Link). I'm sure they'd have a limitation date. The June 15th deadline is just for the county tax collector's billing purposes. I also know personally that a pre-filled exemption form would be mailed annually to seniors who have applied in the past.

To me, this isn't really a reason to oppose the parcel tax. My principles against regressive taxation and the fuzzy accountability have more to do with my opposition. It could also be argued that allowing seniors who can vote yes and not actually have to pay the tax is a rotten tactic for winning votes.


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Posted by half asleep
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 12, 2011 at 1:10 am

yep, it's really a cruel world isn't it Stacey. all these tactical conspiracies afoot.


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Posted by long time parent
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 12, 2011 at 10:20 am

Stacey, while I agree it is a rotten tactic to get people to vote for the tax that will not pay, I do not believe you are correct in refunds. I have been told that once it is submitted to the Assessor's office on July 1, it is taxed for that year. While homeowners exemptions is a state process, parcel tax exemptions are handled through the district. The Assessor will assess the tax to every parcel, except a list of parcels they are given on July 1.

Homeowner exemptions are a different animal. The county gets the same amount of money whether you take the homeowner exemption or not. That amount is backfilled from the state.

While the district can send a letter to each person who has taken the exemption to remind them, they do not have to since it was not written into the measure. Just like the specific programs that will receive the money can be anything since those programs were not written into the measure.

The reapplying is a way to get more taxes out of the seniors. Otherwise the exemption would be good until you moved, which other districts have done. This was a calculated item in the parcel tax.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Mar 12, 2011 at 10:54 am

I do not believe that seniors who will NOT pay the tax should be allowed to vote for the tax. In the last election I witnessed people outside the polls coercing seniors to vote for the tax and advising them they wouldn't have to pay it if it was approved. That is not right! If you're not paying.....you shouldn't get to vote Yes. I hope this is looked at.


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Posted by you already have it
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 12, 2011 at 7:44 pm

I am not sure of the legality of denying seniors the right to vote but it is not right at all to allow them to have a vote and then get out of paying the tax. Don't want to pay it? Just vote no. Using your vote to force me to pay something from which you are exempt is wrong.


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Country Fair
on Mar 12, 2011 at 7:56 pm

NO parcel tax. NO on Measure E !!


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Posted by Super Patriot
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 12, 2011 at 10:32 pm

Yes, NO on E!!! Just consider Patriot and me two unwanted toadstools on your lawn that you never asked for and can't seem to remove without seeing us again and again. See you tomorrow! Posting at regular times on a daily basis. We don't have any convincing arguments; but toadstools don't need any. Oh, and did I mention? No on E!!! No on everything!!! Education is the bane of society!!!


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Posted by Resident Evil
a resident of Avila
on Mar 13, 2011 at 7:48 am

"In the last election I witnessed people outside the polls coercing seniors to vote for the tax"

Ummmm....I don't believe you.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 13, 2011 at 10:03 am

A big problem is that school districts, not just PUSD, would rather give raises than keep/restore programs. Read about Walnut Creek, it just gave raises from reserves but those reserves are there thanks to cuts to student programs and funds from parcel taxes.

"The raises are possible because the Walnut Creek district stockpiled its reserves"

"Walnut Creek has cut $3 million from its once $26 million budget over the past three years. The district stuck with those cuts and didn't restore anything from year to year."

""We will use some reserves to cover anything else for next year but after that we would have to cut very significantly. It's a calculated risk to use the reserves," she said."

Web Link

So give raises now instead of using the funds for programs cut. btw, just two years ago, Walnut Creek went for a parcel tax, measure H:

"PARCEL TAX MEASURE H
WALNUT CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT
To provide the district with the stable, local funds needed to support high quality education programs, smaller class sizes, classroom technology, libraries and to attract and retain quality teachers, shall the Walnut Creek School District renew its existing special tax of $82 per year beginning July 1, 2010 offering a complete exemption for citizens 65 years and older?"

So they don't have money for programs but they do for raises!

See why it is not a good idea to support parcel taxes? School districts have bad financial practices, and they always cut student programs while giving raises.


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Posted by Be Honest
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 13, 2011 at 5:32 pm

Hey don't they just be honest, they want to figure out a way to get as much money as possible and if that means to stick it to seniors well then that is the game and on the other end let's not be dishonest and say that this is for anything else other than teachers raises.


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Posted by honestly, be honest
a resident of Downtown
on Mar 13, 2011 at 5:49 pm

C'mon 'be honest', come clean and admit you're envious of P-town kids because they're receiving a better education than you received. But on your twisted logic, you want to penalize the teachers for doing a job that your teachers obviously failed at. Go back to sleep and wake up in ANOTHER 50 years.