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Tea Party Activists Angry at G.O.P. Leaders

Original post made by mepartypatriot, Downtown, on Jan 2, 2011

Tea Party people, well, duh. What did you expect? The GOP, in general, used you as all aggressive politicians will, regardless of party affiliation.

"Do I think that they've recognized what happened on Election Day? I would say decisively no," said Mark Meckler, a co-founder of Tea Party Patriot. To give Mr.Meckler the benefit of doubt, he was speaking of Congress in general (but we know he probably really meant it to be directed to the elected Republicans).


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Posted by dublinmike
a resident of Dublin
on Jan 2, 2011 at 11:21 am

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meparty, thanks for pointing this out. My 75-year old brother is still smoldering about the "sell out" by the Republican leadership. I tried to tell him but he refused to listen.

BTW, I voted for Jerry McNerney. I too am disappointed in him. Not because he's supposedly a "Pelosi puppet" as some said but that he had voted to continue for the tax cuts for the supper wealthy. That darn middle-of-the-roader... He SAID he would do it BEFORE the recent election and he followed through with a promise. Jeez, a politician that tells the truth...


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Posted by radical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 2, 2011 at 12:49 pm

most ppl posting here comments about the tea party do not know anything about who the tea party is and what the tea party has done and is doing.

the nyt points to actions of a lame duck congress, controlled completely by democrats and says that 'tea party activists' are angry at the GOP

any fair accounting of the elections and politics in general across the country shows that the tea party and conservatives in general had a massive impact on politics in the past year - this will continue and strengthen in 2011 and 2012 leading up to the election of the next President of the United States


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Posted by Regular
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 2, 2011 at 8:46 pm

Naw, it's not going to strengthen anything...TP will "TURN OUT" in Iowa & So Carolina primaries, choosing a nut like Huck, instead of a competent Pres candidate.... GUARANTEEING an Obama victory. Remember, I told you so.
Oh ! YEA ! I couldn't be more thrilled that REPUBLICAN Ms Murkowski was RE-elected in Alaska....guess Palin's TP guy couldn't even carry Alaska.
See, just like the O'Donnell race, the TPers went against regular republicans ! like me ! and HANDED the DEM the seat, instead of allowing the guaranteed regular republican SHOO-IN. The TPers, wrongly would RATHER elect Dems, which in a few too many races they did...OTHERWISE, there would also be a REPUB SENATE, which would have been so sweet. They don't grasp the one-size-does-NOT fit all. Each STATE / district needs candidates suitable to THAT RACE ...in many cases TPers do NOT fit in.


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Jan 3, 2011 at 9:11 am

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Who would you run in the 2012 election to counter the Dems and Obama----Ron Paul? I guess I should rephrase the question: Who is electable that will run the country as a conservative? I'd surely vote for that person in a heartbeat, as would many others.


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Posted by radical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 3, 2011 at 9:41 am

sure reg, you prefer Castle and Murkowski, and call Gov Mike Huckabee a nut and incompetent, doesn't say anything about them, it only says a lot about you as a republican

This op-ed mentions Mark Kirk, the 1st name that came to mind when you mentioned O'Donnell and Murkowski, they said he couldn't win in Illinois

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note that "Castle has (had) the most liberal voting record of any member of the 175+ Republican caucus"

having 51 seats in the Senate doesn't mean a lot when you fill those seats with rinos
having 51 seats in the senate doesn't help our country when the Congress sends bill after bill containing new deficit spending to a Bush or Obama, willing to sign off on damn near anything


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Posted by Regular
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 3, 2011 at 4:30 pm

Radical, at least you recognize that you are ! You may commint suicide any day you wish. You may not commit party suicide that QUARANTEES DEMS victories. I think it is VERY CRUEL to be so stupid to HAND guaranteed victoried to DEMS, who will write laws ruining the lives of your children.
Steve, NO it would be a guaranteed loss running Ron Paul.
Since I am a genuine original supporter of 'Mr CONSERVATIVE' Barry Goldwater, who couldn't get elected by today's extremists...I'm called a rino by those too uninformed to know the real thing. The radical religious right (which is neither) will seal in General Election losses for the party, by the nut chosen in the primaries. Put up an extremist, and lose the 60% independent vote, insuring an Obama victory. I can't waste my time on a suicide plot. Pres. nominee will be sealed before it ever gets to the CAL primary, like last time. Southern states pick the NOMINEE, which guarantees a national Nov. LOSS. It is a statistical guarantee. Follow fools and lose...life's too short to waste on the impossible. It is a NUMBERS game....NOT who YOU like. There is only ONE left victorious in NOV.


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Posted by radical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 3, 2011 at 8:01 pm

a goldwater conservative? heh, u must have softened up in your advancing years. what happened when goldwater became the GOP nominee over Rockefeller?
He became exactly what you are complaining the Tea Party is try to do with the GOP, except the Tea Party is just getting started and already winning
not perfect by any estimation, but i think they are doing a better job the the goldwater conservatives, the reform party, or any other recent conservative movement


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Posted by Regular
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 3, 2011 at 10:03 pm

Can't you read. I was a huge supporter of and volunteer for Mr Conservative. .....not the rino you uninformed radicals think. Genuine conservatives to not meddle in private lives....they sincerely want government kept out of our lives... NOT rinos. Hopefully someday today's fringe will becomed better informed about what is real and what is not. Not quite yet ready for 'prime time'.


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Posted by radical
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 4, 2011 at 8:20 am

i can read reg, do you not see the contradiction in a goldwater conservative saying the tea party should have supported rinos like murkowski and castle?

ok lets reset the conversation, who is your idea of a competent, regular republican conservative we can elect in 2012?


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Posted by Pazo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 4, 2011 at 9:09 am

Pleasanton left wing loons trying to tar and feather the Tea Party some more. Why don't you loons go have a dope-smoking gala with Moonbeam Brown? It's just amazing that California loons are as loony as they are - just amazing. If Jay Leno weren't a left wing loon himself, he would have a "how loony are you" segment on the Tonight Show doing interviews with California lefty loons in the street to determine just how loony they are. It would be a smash hit everywhere in the country other than the Left Coasts.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 4, 2011 at 9:40 am

A large number of the extreme Tea Party candidates lost because their views were too extreme for mainstream voters (hello, Mr Harmer). The extremes of EACH party may be the loudest, but the nation, on balance, is pretty moderate.


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Posted by john
a resident of Dublin
on Jan 4, 2011 at 10:24 am

The idea of the Tea Party was in itself a great one...but the Tea Party has no one to blame but its own so called leaders who fell into the traps placed by the GOP.

People like Brian Sussman who talk change but are more concerned about his Book Sales at Tea Party gatherings then the changes that the Tea party stood for or could bring!

The Tea Party....it had the right idea but greed and ego along with GOP seduction took all the wind out of her sails.


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 4, 2011 at 10:45 am

However misguided or perhaps even misplaced the TP's influence has been in the past election the one factor that drives them (IMHO) is to bring attention to the waste, frivolous spending, pork & general financial "tomfoolery" that candidates & elected officials from BOTH parties are guilty of. I find it absolutely refreshing to finally hear voices from the right verbally berating & blaming the Bush presidency for the eight years of absolute financial ruin that was left in it's wake & the wake up call that has been finally issued to balance our books, become fiscally accountable & make Washington stick to a budget that will (sometime) eventually produce a surplus in the not-so-distant future.

I also have a sincere hope that once the 112th Congress is sworn in tomorrow their promise of "fiscal accountability" will not just fade into the political rhetoric of obscurity. The countless accusations made of Nancy Pelosi's regular use use of C-32's (military 757's) for her personal use, Charles Rangle & Maxine Waters "troubles" & now our own Fearless Leaders "Vacation-Gate" of sorts (38 days over 2010) should make anybody who has been affected by the economic downturn seething with anger. The days of aimlessly feeding from the government trough (for elected officials & the rest of us) with no consequences have got to come to a screeching halt.

IF... & that's a big if, the TP has the balls to stick to their guns, their underlying philosophy & their mantra of less spending, fiscal accountability, etc. then this congress & every ensuing election & candidate that they support had better plan on adhering to their promises or they will truly face the wrath of a very angry constituency back home & throughout the country.

The Tea Party is just a start people. There will be a much larger, more organized movement that will demand accountability from our elected officials & if they (Washington, Sacramento, etc.) do not heed this it wouldn't surprise me to eventually see the swarm of angry citizens armed with pitch-forks & torches & our very own Bastille Day of sorts comes to fruition in this country.

Liberty, Fraternity, Accountability!


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 4, 2011 at 12:04 pm

"However misguided or perhaps even misplaced the TP's influence has been in the past election the one factor that drives them (IMHO) is to bring attention to the waste, frivolous spending, pork & general financial "tomfoolery" that candidates "

I think it had a lot more to do with bailouts like TARP. The irony is that so many TP people love Sarah Palin, and she was for the bailouts.

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A lot of TP people sense that something is wrong, but can't quite figure out what.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Stoneridge
on Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 pm

The Tea Party is a home to anyone that believes in our Constitution, and is willing to vote out politicians that use tax money to get reelected, corrupt politicians, politicians that work to subvert our Constitution (and its Amendments) and those that listen more to money than the people.

I would think that even Democrats could agree with this platform, right?


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Posted by Regular
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 4, 2011 at 2:45 pm

Radical, tp hasn't 'won' anything yet. Winning a state of people like youself means nothing. And, winning a national Pres primary means nothing. Unless you can earn the most NUMBERS, coast to coast, votes of all kinds of regions nationally, and about 60 % of independents (which is made up of greens, socialists, libertarians, and church crusades) you're still on the outside, looking in. It's not who shouts the loudest, or even who you like the most, ..it's the ONE person standing alone who gets the HIGHEST NUMBERS....it is a numbers game put together by strategists, NOT by who is the best for the job, and certainly not who you like the most. It is the 'electability' factor. And, if you want to throw in litmus purity tests, and weaken your front line, you can be sure the opponents will win. ..your choice...victory or defeat. BTW, I'm sure you're thrilled you elected Boxer again, and kept out the most competent, and voted most fiscally conservative the last time he served in DC. The catholics and fundamentalists always lose that big brass ring in NOV....but they relish over primary victories. Some people never learn how elections are decided in primaries, and just keep making the same mistakes over and over, ending up empty handed in Nov....gotta have those independent votes, or CA is DEM forever, and we have the biggest block of votes.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 9:05 am

My experience is that Tea Partiers are pretty selective about which elements of the Constitution they support, and pretty loose in their interpretation of certain language written 200+ years ago.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 9:12 am

Many people believe that candidates who accept taxpayer money to help fund their campaigns will be more accountable to taxpayers.

My experience with candidates who are paid for by big corporations, tend to be accountable to those big corporations.

The Republican Party over the past few years has clearly been putting the interests of big health insurance companies and big banks ahead of middle-class citizens.


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Jan 5, 2011 at 9:22 am

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b-"A large number of the extreme Tea Party candidates lost because their views were too extreme for mainstream voters (hello, Mr Harmer)"

Harmer lost by a handful of votes, in an increasingly leftist district. Hardly too extreme for the mainstream, but maybe for the bigoted leftists inhabitating our district.


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 5, 2011 at 9:28 am

In retrospect, "IMHO" should translate into In My HOPEFUL Opinion.

"Regular" was all too correct in the statement that primary elections often won by fringe candidates supported by the likes of the so-called christian-right & their swamp dwelling, bible thumping, myopic social agenda touting cohorts have failed miserably in the general elections. A truly mainstream, TP worthy candidate has yet to surface on the local, state or national level & with all the bru-ha-ha surrounding the stigma of being attached to such an "extremist" (well, according to MSNBC at least) group will undoubtedly scare off more than a few well qualified would-be TP'ers.

I still believe that a split within the TP between the far, far right & the remaining fiscal conservatives is not only imminent but will lead to a more well defined TP V 2.0 (that's tea party version two point zero for the over 45 crowd) that will eschew the major polarizing social aspects of the TP agenda such as gay marriage, abortion (which btw "Regular" you'll remember that even Barry G., Mr. Conservative himself when confronted with his own daughters decision to have an abortion could only agree that it was the INDIVIDUALS own decision on how to best care for her body & well being & supported her decision) drug legalization & other Rachel Maddow hot point issues.

That's just my hopeful opinion.


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Jan 5, 2011 at 9:35 am

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b-those awful, big corporations that you vilify and promote class envy against are the very entities that hire middle class people to work. You ire is misplaced, especially since this thread is directed at issues with the Tea Party, not Republicans in general.
TP members are more conservative than many R's and certainly more so than RINO's and TP members are not exclusive to the Republican Party.
But, if it makes you feel better to tilt at the windmills of big industry, go ahead. Good luck in your future employment.


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Jan 5, 2011 at 9:39 am

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Nosy-you're way off regarding TP v2.0 changing their position on social issues like gay marriage. The majority (even in Calif) oppose this perverse type of social engineering, so the only polarizing effect will be for those that espouse deviant behavior as 'mainstream'.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 10:23 am

No problem with big corporations in general. Most are good citizens--employing many people, treating employees and customers with dignity, and earning fair profits for their shareholders. I am both a shareholder and a business owner.

I do have a problem with politicians who take corporate donations and then put the interests of corporate leaders and specific companies ahead of the interests of the population as a whole.

Big banks were all too happy to take bailouts, lay off many thousands of people, screw their customers, and still pay giant bonuses to the leadership.

Health insurers buy politicians to ensure that the government will never provide health insurance, despite a world of evidence that government-run health insurance lowers costs and delivers better care to people who need it. Profits and bonuses before people, right?


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Posted by Regular
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 10:49 am

. .b, In this 21st century, Corp donations go to as many DEMS as Repubs, And, why would both Dem & Repub candidates taking corp $$, be any worse than Dems being totally bought off with huge UNION 'donations' of threats, time, AND BIG money ? The corp & union political contributions are about the same, but unions is ALL DEM, and corps are about 50 / 50 in this century !
And, you are just plain wrong on health insurance. DEMS took many times more $$ while writing their 2700 page health bill


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Posted by Regular
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 11:03 am

You said it all very well, Nosy. I'm hoping with you, and the sooner, the better. (and that steve sorta scares me).
Yes, most tpers and repubs agree on fiscal conservatism... I'm as fiscally conservative as any person in the tp. And, I TRULY believe in real LIMITED government as our founders and BARRY Goldwater did...that government is to stay OUT of personal lives of all US citizens ! period ! Pat Robertson and the pope never did.


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Posted by Sooooooo
a resident of Del Prado
on Jan 5, 2011 at 11:14 am

How do you explain me? I am a minority, democrat, for gay marriage, and very much supportive and in favor of the tea party.


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 11:41 am

"big corporations that you vilify and promote class envy against are the very entities that hire middle class people to work."

Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and other big investment firms were happy to take government bailouts while laying off middle class workers at the same time they were dishing out big bonuses to their executives. It is exactly this kind of thing that would draw me to the Tea Party, but it seems the whole bailout thing is being swept under the rug by a lot of TP because some of their people supported it. Why would my "ire" be misplaced? Doesn't that whole too big to fail thing bother you? Wasn't the behavior of the Wall Street investment banks reprehensible in your eyes? Didn't the bailouts make a mockery of capitalism?


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 12:24 pm

How Wall St. execs bankrolled GOP victory:

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Wonderful. Now the next time some unregulated financial instrument blows up Wall Street (like over the counter derivatives), we can be sure these guys will all get a nice bailout and keep all their bonuses. Does this bother anyone?


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Posted by Pablo
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 5, 2011 at 12:46 pm

Patriot,

Seriously? take a look at the link. "

By Peter Stone, Center for Public Integrity, and Michael Isikoff, NBC News
Special to msnbc.com Special to msnbc.com "

Center for Public Integrity is being considered for revoking their non profit status because of their left wing views and attacks against the right. Additionally, one of their major sources of funding comes from.................George Soros!!!!!!!


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2011 at 1:58 pm

Pablo,

So are you saying that what is in the article is untrue? Are you saying that we won't get another round of tax payer funded bailouts when the next financial crisis hits? Can you tell me why so many Republicans voted for the bailouts in 2008 (including the president who invented it)?

Look, I'm not saying it is just Republicans who take the money from Wall Street. The same thing happened in 2008, but with Democrats. I'm saying that we should end this crony capitalism. It is taking money away from people who actually earn it and giving it to people who don't.


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Posted by Pablo
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 5, 2011 at 3:31 pm

Patriot,

I do not think they should have gotten the money either and I do not know why anyone would have voted for it. I am an independent and vote the way I want, Carter (mistake), Reagan, Bush, Perot, Clinton, Bush, Bush (mistake), and Obama (another mistake).

I am only saying that if you want it to be somewhat a cut above in terms of opinion pick a source not so biased.


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Posted by Pablo
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 5, 2011 at 3:37 pm

Patriot,

I also agree about the cronism in Washington DC and that is why I feel so very strongly that these newly elected officials who ran on a platform of no earmarks, reduce spending, balanced budgets, no borrowing, living within our means must be supported to the max because they are our last hope. Do I think they can do it themselves? No I don't but I do believe that if they hold their line in the sand you are going to see a wave of replacements of the old time folks in the next election.......no doubt. Actually I believe they should have age limits back there, I mean come on John McCain is an old 75, Pelosi is an old 70 (except for all of the plastic), let's get new blood and energy back in Washington.


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Posted by Johnny Rocket
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 6, 2011 at 9:53 am

When did Pleasanton get so many left wing nuts???? Bezerkley seems to be a spreading cancer that is sure to kill the patient.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Jan 6, 2011 at 10:53 am

Johnny--it's like creeping death. The leftists started slow in the 60's and have spread like the plague recently. Must be something in our water.....
There is hope, as last year scientists identified the mutant gene that causes this affliction, but just like the mutants in the X Men movies, these folks may not attempt to be cured becasue they don't think they have a problem. Sad, really.....


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 7, 2011 at 11:11 am

In my old age I am becoming less & less concerned with the social issue agendas of BOTH parties. Any governments attempts to legislate behavior be it social, religious, gender or sexuality based is (IMHO) oppressive, draconian & inherently hypocritical.

Come on people, we've tried the Prohibition thing. We've denied blacks & women the right to vote. We've denied whites & blacks the ability to marry. We're in the midst of a failure of epic proportions with the "war on drugs." Oh and I forgot, there was that whole nasty slavery thing a hundred or so years ago too that we try to act as if IT never happened but hey if we only change a few words around then it's alright though, right?

Web Link

What I'm getting at folks is that our social behavior, however "deviant" offensive, un-healthy (yes, banning Happy Meals definitely classifies as oppressive in my book) reprehensible or other you would define ones behavior it is not for the government to define. Judgment will come to those not in our time but in Gods time.

We have a fairly good set of rules set forth in the 10 Commandments. Throw in that whole "do unto others..." line & you've got a fairly good blueprint of how to & not not to conduct yourself. Yeah I know, I just opened up a gray area the size of the Grand Canyon but if everybody were a little less condescending & perhaps a little more understanding & considerate we'd all be a bit better off.

I am however probably going hell for coveting my neighbors new BMW M6. That's one sweet ride!


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 7, 2011 at 11:19 am

Well said, Nosy Neighbors.


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Posted by Regular
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm

Nosy, you are so right, again ! I'd like to meet you sometime...logical and objective, so rare in politics on either side. I don't like anybody's cult or religion, in the name of politics, justiify intrusion into my government, trying to justify 'meddling' in my or any citizen's private personal life....just because they think their religion and religious leaders are somehow more morally right, they're not. America is about the individual right of not allowing government in our personal lives. Hypocrites disgust me. Any of a list of activities you don't approve of, don't engage in ! That's pretty simple ! Similarly, shooting a doctor at an abortion clinic, or a congressperson because of your personal zealotry, does not make you or your beliefs right, and is anti-American behavior.


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Posted by T.R. Ollman
a resident of Amador Estates
on Jan 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm

Pablo is right when he says, "I also agree about the cronism in Washington DC." The crones are out of control! Just about everywhere you go in the capital, they're cackling, hoarding cats, and scaring children. The crones must go!


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Posted by Maria
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 10, 2011 at 2:09 am

As long as Congress stops wasting time and gets something concrete done, I'll be satisfied.

(But really?... Reading the ENTIRE Constitution aloud at the opening of the session? Nice symbolic gesture, but if you watched any of the whole painful process, a gigantic WASTE OF TIME.)