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Some Thieves have enough class not to rob the citizens, but not these?
I hope they catch them. Does Denny's have cameras?
Why is it that this is in the news but a couple of yrs ago driving down Hopyard Rd by Chillis Restaurant there were guns drawn and people down on the ground on hopyard and in the parking lot and no news about that?
The incident at Chilis probably was played down on purpose. Residents in Dublin, Pleas, San Ramon and surrounding areas don't think "this can happen here". In the Oakland area this is just a possibility of going out at night.
This story was also played down. It says that they "fled with cash" on all of the online stories. It doesn't say in any story that this was a take over robbery like Oakland and South Bay had last year. Only the story here even mentions that the customers were robbed too.
I was going to get a to go order last night at this Dennys at 2 am. There were Police all over the place. When I tried to walk in I was told they were closed.
The economy is still really bad no matter what the media is reporting. People are getting bolder/more stupid in the things they will do for money.
Is it just me or does it seem like there are a lot of problems in the area around In-N-Out, Denny's, and BevMo shopping center area? I've seen multi-police-car incidents over there on several occasions. And I have noticed some pretty sketchy folks at the In-N-Out as well. Any idea, what in the heck is up around there?
The next time you see an announcement for sign-ups for a "Citizens Police Academy," you should do it. It is 14 weeks long, held on Thursday evenings(PTown?), and you will learn a great deal about crime, prevention, investigation, etc. Each week there is a different topic covering ALL aspects of police work, along with weekly speakers from the police department and the distict attorney's office.
After "graduation" you are encouraged to sign-up for a "ride along" with a police officer. After your evening in the police car, you start to realize why so much crime occurs adjacent to the freeways. A check of the cars in the motel and hotel parking lots yields all kinds of information. And, close access to the freeway provides a quick getaway for hit-and-run robberies.
Sign-up, you'll enjoy it. There are a couple of qualifications, like local residency and a routine background check. Both Pleasanton and Livermore Police Departments have the Citizens Academy.
That additional Bart station will also bring more crime to Stoneridge Mall.
Arroyo makes a great point. There are too many people who bash the police, and there are too many people who see a "routine" felony/high-risk car stop who wonder why it wasn't in the paper. (I put "routine" in quotes only because it is very dangerous, but at the same time, it is somewhat routine). Just because you see lots of officers with their guns drawn and people proned-out on the ground, that does not mean it's anything newsworthy. A citizen could have called 911 and said that they "think" they saw a person in another car with a gun. Because of that, a high risk car stop is initiated. Who knows what it could have turned out to be? A cell phone? A crazy caller? A BB gun? That's just police work, folks....Go on a ride-along and see what life is really like out there----live outside of your safe bubble and your comfort zone for one night and see how your opinion changes.
Good points, Ryan and Watchful--it's not just the freeway access, but any transportation corridor that allows these thugs to travel from locales like Oakland to the easy pickins out here in the valley.
Bad economy or good economy, crime happens. As citizens, we only notice it when it touches close to us. I have several family members and friends in law enforcement and I know just how dangerous of a career/calling it can be. That's what irritates me is that only when crime comes into our little suburb do we take notice of the police and the incredibly dangerous work they do each and every night.
I honor all Law Enforcement.
Good observation and question by Ryan. I feel that area with the budget motels and close off/on access to the freeway make it a place for thugs to do their thing and get back over the hill (east or west). We have good police forces in the tri-valley. Just need to have the "system" put them away for an extended period of time. So tired hearing about 15/20 year sentences being reduced to 4/6 years.
Really? BART is connected to this? obviously by people who spend their day up in their Castlewood neighborhood and not have to commute and work via BART. We need better transportion options not only for our local residents to get to their job, but to also bring more people to our area - to shop at the mall and pump up our local economy.
I also am amazed that their is such assurance that the Denny's robbery was done by someone from outside the area and not a Pleasanton/Tri Valley resident....article says they are looking for the people who did this -I will laugh if we discover they are from here.
Plus, I take BART everyday to work - it often doesn't run on time - wouldn't make a very good "getaway" vehicle!
"The next time you see an announcement for sign-ups for a "Citizens Police Academy," you should do it"
Wonderful. So excessive pensions, perks, and salaries aren't enough for you. We got to throw away my tax money on this crap!
Back when this country was founded we had mostly volunteer police forces. And you know what, we did just fine.
Stop the madness! Stop the spending! Enough is enough!
We have a PRISON just up Santa Rita road in Dublin. 90% of the inmate are drug related, robbery and violent crime repeat offenders from Oakland and Hayward area's. The Map Quest direction bring the folks that pick up the released prisoners right up Santa Rita Road. The Prison gives all released inmates Bart Tickets upon request.
There is also indication that gang related and criminals are coming over to Pleasanton on the week ends to mingle with our youth in a "safe" town with plenty of Bars and clubs. In fact with the younger crowd, these thugs are celebrities!
Prison systems and public transportion have been part of this country for centuries. So i don't understand people who tells others about the need to "wake up!"
Instead those people saying this need to wake up and accept the reality that there is a prison in the area, and BART has been running to our area for decades.
And if you can't wake up to that reality - then you need to think about moving to someplace else that meets your personal specific definition of reality.
There is a correlation between crime in our area and Bart. Ever since Bart came to Pleasanton, a herd of unsavory characters have filtered in (and then sometimes filter out with items that don't belong to them). It's not racist, its a fact. As a matter of fact, for the 2nd time in the past 2.5 years, my cute little Pleasanton neighborhood has been hit by criminals from where else......San Leandro (2yrs ago) and Alameda this past Tuesday night! Car's broken into 2 years ago on my street and cross street and 1 of those cars stolen.They stole a car from San Leandro then left it when they took my neighbors car. Two nights ago, they stole a car from Alameda and then left it when they took a neighbor's truck. Scary and disappointing but an unfortunate reality these days. Knowledge is power people so don't be ignorant. Please keep your eyes and ears open and stay safe.
The dublin/pleasanton BART station started providing service in 1997 - so 13 years ago.
So you've had 13 years to "wake up" to this new reality....so either:
1) accept that it's here....and please stop complaining about it
2) or please move
Get used to it. When Pleasanton gets "affordable housing" and section 8 housing, these things will be common. As for Stoneridge mall, it's never been safe. It's especially bad around the holiday.s The demographics in this valley are changing. We'll just have to learn to live with it.
Hey Amazon- thanks for repeating yourself. Already read your previous post but good thing you posted it again so I can be sure to hear you this time. Sorry to offend you and your family from across the hill. LOL. I am not blaming it on Bart, but just stating that there is a correlation at times. Maybe if you post what you posted again, someone will hear you this time and WAKE UP. Maybe Obama will read this and run to your rescue. NOT.
Fed up - thanks for letting me know that you were able to pick it up.....seems like the 2nd time really helped.
It's too bad Alameda county won't issue concealed carry permits to law abiding citizens. Theres's no reason someone who is mentally competent with no criminal record shouldn't be allowed to pack. The liberals allow the thugs to do this with impunity. And robberies and murders of innocents is what happens.
San Leandro caters to the thug element with Section 8 housing, looking the other way for drug sales, and a mall dedicated to the latest in gang member apparel and footwear. Pleasanton may be forced to take on some Section 8'ers; but we won't support the thug lifestyle, no matter how many stupid misguided teenagers think it's cool. Let those teens throw their lives away and not appreciate the hard work and opportunities their parents created for them. At least their brand of faux thuggery will be less scary than the real deal from Oakland.
Amazon: the way I see it, you have two classes of criminals that are causing the most trouble in Pleasanton (and just about any city: with exceptions here and there) ... Opportunity-based criminals and career criminals. Your typical shop lifter or typical hot hot-headed repeat violent offender commits crimes based on opportunity so it's not that much of a mental stretch to think that such a person would favor mass transit over the discipline required to maintain/pay for a car. The career criminals, on the other hand, plan their attacks at some level of detail, hence they aren't as likely to be foolish enough to do so in their own town. Imagine if one of the customers robbed at Dennys saw one of the thieves at Target the next day? So it's the quick access to the freeway *and* BART that makes this area a hot spot.
Concerned Californian and Ryan- excellent points made.
And has anyone looked at the percentage of minority and illegals in our prison population lately....don't get me started.
As for Section 8, unfortunately any city which is cash strapped will give in to it for the fact that when cities allow section 8, it means revenue for the city as the city is compensated. Greed is not good Gordon Gecko :)
Ryan - see your point that there are opportunity based criminals .......but not sure they depend on mass transit to commit their crime in order to come to Pleasanton. Sometimes they just live here ......
For example, the kid who brought a gun to one of my kids schools in Pleasanton and threatened kids - well, they were a local ...and by the way....message for Fed Up...the kid was a minority but instead white kid!
And the kids who were stealing 1000's of $$$ of stuff from foothill last year (my other kid's school) - also were locals and ...oh, what a shocker - also white kids!!!!
And a ? for Fed up - thanks for the apology to me for "offending me and my family from across the hill" - was just wondering where in Pleasanton is exactly that hill you refer to - Hopyard Road, Hacienda, Foothill Rd, Santa Rita???????
So before all of you continue with your favorite us versus them diatribe - suggest you take a good look at your own backyards first.
I do not live in Section 8 housing, nor am I a particular fan of the people who tend to live in it; but I wonder where those against it think those who need it should live.
Amazon- lived in this town my whole life- elementary, jr high, and high school. moved away to Livenomore for a few years and am happy to be back but highly dissapointed at the increase in crime here and everywhere over the past few years. Yes white kids commit crimes too. Thanks for the reminder because I had completely forgot as you seem to think I am some sort of bigot for stating the obvious with regards to crime statistics/demographics. I am just glad that I graduated high school in the early 90's and am not a teenager now. Forgive me for sounding like my mom here but....Kids today....LOL...are completely desensitized to everything we once you to fear kept us towing the line. In addition, the majority seem to have this sense of entitlement which makes me sad. Parents today try so hard to be a friend rather a parent and then you see these "white kids", etc... selling mommies Zanax and grandpa's oxycotin on the street for pot and coke money. Sad sad sad.
Fed up - thanks for your note. I appreciate you taking the time to write what you did.
I agree with you -both the times and standards are changing. And it's a frustration for all of us. But I just don't think it can be simply reduced to pointing fingers at "outsiders" who are coming to our geographic area by public transportation.
For example, In the case of the kids are foothill who were caught stealing, they were led off campus in handcuffs by the police and suspended from school. I was extremely bothered to learn that one of them played a varsity sport and that after this incident - they still got a varsity letter. What message does that send to other kids? Somehow that doesn't jive with my vision of a Pleasanton value of being a "community with character."
That is what I have been trying to say today.....I think we first need to focus on finding the best proactive solutions for the things within our own influence, versus all the complaints here about infrastructure decisions (bart station openings, prison locations) that are either existing realities or soon to be realities.
My grandma lived in section 8 housing here in Pleasanton for some years before she passed away. I loved having her here, close to me and my family! Without section 8, we couldn't have provided an independent living situation for her, here in Pleasanton.
I think it would be interesting to see a map of all the serious crimes in the area (kind of like the Mercury News does for San Jose). If the vast majority of crimes occur along the freeways ... then that makes a solid case that most of these criminals are out-of-towners. If not: then the opposite is the case.
Until such an analysis is done, we aren't going to know one way or another.
So are you suggesting we get rid of our police officers and fill the positions with "volunteers?"
God help us if I need the police and I get a "volunteer" who shows up to help. Obviously you know better though, maybe you could sign up to "volunteer" for one of the positions.
ANOTHER PERFECT REASON FOR SUPPORT OF OPEN CARRY RIGHTS !!
DON'T START TELLING ME HOW THAT WOULD HAVE JUST MADE THINGS WORSE, IT WAS ALREADY AS WORSE AS IT WAS GOING TO GET, THOSE PEOLE ALL JUST GOT LUCKY, THATS IT. THING WITH LUCK IS, IT USALLY RUNS OUT. SO HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU WANT TO COUNT ON YOUR LUCK TO KEEP YOU ALIVE. IF YOU REALLY FEEL THAT LUCKY HEAD TO RENO. BUT THAN REALITY SETS IN, IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH. AND REALIZE YOU DONT ALWAYS GET LUCKY ENOUGH TO WIN, SO YOU MAKE THE DECISION TO STOP GAMBLING. WELL STOP BAMBLING WITH YOU LIFE. OPEN CARRY RIGHTS AND CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS ARE FOR THE GOOD GUYS. THE BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE THERE AND WILL ALWAYS HAVE ILLEGALY CONCEALED WEAPONS AND CARRY THEM OPENLY WHEN THEY WANT TO. AS PROVED AGAIN ON THE NIGHT IN QUESTION. ARE YOU READY TO SIT THERE WITH YOUR SMALL CHILDREN AND SEE HOW LUCKY YOU ARE? WAKE UP TO WORLD AROUND YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
Hey! OPEN CARRY!!! ***•••• Your shift key is stuck.
The data shows, over and over again, that when localities allow citizens to pack heat, the crime rate goes down and assaults/murders with guns also goes down.
Open Carry and Uncle George - I would be interested to see the source of that data that you are referring to here...as it's always important in a discussion to ensure that data is from objective/nonbiased sources.
So rather than just blindly say "data shows"....when you post here, would you please provide us all with the data source that you are citing.
Here is how the story at Denny's may have read if patrons were carrying firearms. @ Amazon.
Those of you who blame crime on BART are just misguided. Yes, we have people coming over from the Bayshore part of the East Bay to work here. We are a business-friendly community offering many jobs, including some which don't pay enough to actually LIVE here. Those employees must live in less expensive communites like San Leandro and Hayward, and yes, some of them take BART. Maybe you would rather have them drive SUVs, use more gas, and clog up your freeways. Would that make us safer??
Many of us in Pleasanton also depend on BART to work in SF. Never minding the environment, driving can take anywhere from 1-2.5 hours and cost upwards of $30 all in. BART still takes over an hour all-in, but at least I KNOW when I'll get there, and I'm "only" out $12.
If you want to be "insulated" from the horrors of public transportation, move to the central valley. Then you can see how crime-free that is (check the statistics sometime).
Oh, and by the way, the examples given for out of town crime all involved "getaway vehicles", or stolen vehicles abandoned at the site. Ahem... that has nothing to do with BART...
Glad to see the BART empoloyees stating their views. I don't believe (nor do I believe others on this thread) are actually blaming BART for the crime @ Denny's.
I'm going to stay focused on that fact some punks committed a crime in Pleasanton. I'm not keeping score where they came from, where they're headed, or what their get-away car (or train) looked like. Just catch 'em and have them serve the time.
Just use your computer to google the question. I had the same discussion with an anti-gun coworker. He went home and researched what I had told him, and came and apologized the next day.
If I know what I'm talking about, why should I work overtime to put facts in front of people who do not understand the subject? The books and articles are out there.
yet another reason not to eat at Denny's.
It's funny - when I google the same question - I get entirely different information than you do.
But using your same reasoning, "since I know what I'm talking about" then I must be right....
Yup, the books and articles are out there - and that means ones that objectively written by nonbiased sources. But if you really do understand the subject, then you would have known that
Just because someone falls into the "section 8" category doesn't mean they are a thug. I take offense to that categorization - not everyone is as fortunate as some of the people in these forums that are all too quick to judge.
I always get amused with the 100% direct correlation to BART. They are not ripping everyone off in the middle of the night and standing on the BART platform with your car stereo or big screen TV. They stole a car somewhere else, drove it here, dropped it off, stole another car and left. What does that have to do with BART again? The guys that robbed Denny's did not get off BART and then go stand on the platform waiting for it to open up again at 4:30am. They come in off the freeway and leave the same way. What BART has brought is businesses in Hacienda and jobs. It also has brought a way for us to commute to our jobs elsewhere and stay off the freeways to do it. Just my opinion, but look at the big picture and don't just say BART is the problem. I guess we can push for the extension to Livermore, close our station and we will have absolutely no more crime then will we. Are there a few "unsavory types" that come in off BART, sure, but our entire community and way of life has changed for the worst because of BART??????
Several times you have mentioned section 8 housing...are you guys aware we already have section 8? In fact the newly proposed apartment complex in between hacienda and willow will have more. You need to check your facts. As far as Police pensions are concerned...pay them. we want the best cops to work here.
Does Denny's Restaurant allow 'Open Carry' law abiding patrons? If not, they should! Denny's along with other businesses nearby area at a higher risk due to being right near two major freeways. Criminals are lazy and look for convenient opportunities near on/off ramp locations.
They can always serve donuts and attract the "Triple A with a badge" folks away from Starbucks and get them to patronize their business