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Dog laws unleashed

Original post made on Jan 5, 2008

While the subject of Pleasanton's dog leash law can inspire debate among local residents--dog owners or not--the ordinance is actually pretty clear.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:00 AM

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Posted by Kurt Kummer
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jan 5, 2008 at 3:08 pm

The Parks and Recreation Commission will discuss dogs off-leash in Pleasanton's parks and trails at the meeting this coming Thursday. The public is always welcome at the meetings, which will be at Council chambers Thursday Jan. 10, at 7:00 pm


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Posted by springlyn
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jan 6, 2008 at 10:11 pm

People don't follow the law, I was once standing in front of my driveway with my 1 year old daughter walking towards our house and then two big dogs ran to us unleashed. My 1 year old daughter was in shock and cried. She was standing and I had to pick her up right away. Please watch your dogs!!!!!!!!


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Jan 6, 2008 at 10:29 pm

I agree with Springlyn. You may know your dog doesn't bite, your dog may know it doesn't bite but I don't know it doesn't bite.

Was walking in a park one afternoon when a very small dog came running at me with the owner calling out, "She won't bite." It bit me on the ankle - that hurts!!!!


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 7, 2008 at 6:29 am

I leash my dogs more for their protection than the protection of others. The leash can be used to ward off other aggressive dogs and is a very good way of discouraging stupid humans (including children) from petting your dog even when you've asked that they not do so.

As Officer Fickens has been noted as saying, "In my 35 years of doing this, it's never the dogs that are the problem and always the humans."

Bravo Roy!


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 8, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Thank you Anonymous for giving me the opening to write this response:

Your anti-children, anti-human attitude and pro-dog comments demonstrates exactly why Officer Fickens made his statement. I don't expect you to get it!!!!

Keep your dog on a leash because he better not run up to me when I'm with my grandchild!


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 8, 2008 at 5:22 pm

Hey Frank -- Let's hope your grandchild isn't one who insists on petting my dogs when I've told the child no.

I am not anti-children, nor anti-human. I just expect both to act with a higer level of intelligence they claim to have over animals.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 8, 2008 at 5:23 pm

CORRECTED POST

Hey Frank -- Let's hope your grandchild isn't one who insists on petting my dogs when I've told the child no.

I am not anti-children, nor anti-human. I just expect both to act with the higher level of intelligence they claim to have over animals.


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Posted by Shelley
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 8, 2008 at 5:30 pm

"In my 35 years of doing this, it's never the dogs that are the problem and always the humans."
Yeah, because the dogs can't leash themselves...

I think he meant to say "pet owner" in place of "humans."


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 8, 2008 at 5:34 pm

That's right Shelley. He doesn't get it. It's the pet owners who are the problem, obviously, and that's what Roy meant. Bravo Roy!

Hey, Anonymous, what did the two year old in San Jose recently do to get her lip bit off? You imply that kid's get bit because it's their fault. Ridiculous!!!


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 9, 2008 at 5:48 am

I've spoken personally with Officer Fickens about his quote. He means that the MANY issues he and Officer Rush are involved in stem from human beings and irresponsibility. The leash law is just one example!

As for the 2 year old -- didn't see the story. However, did this child know the dog? If not, she should never have approached it. And -- WHERE WERE HER PARENTS?


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 9, 2008 at 7:37 am

Web Link

It wasn't a 2 year old, but a 20 month old.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 9, 2008 at 8:29 am

I understand the thought. It is the same reason why people put their toddlers on a leash, for the protection of the toddler. In this case, I think it is safe to say that leash laws were not invented for the benefit of the dog.


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Posted by Amber
a resident of Southeast Pleasanton
on Jan 9, 2008 at 8:53 am

Putting children on leashes is the most pathetic thing ever. I hate that when I see it.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 9, 2008 at 9:47 am

Stacey -- Thank you for the link. I find this comment in the article interesting:

"While the investigation into Sunday's attack is ongoing, Van Wassenhove said that in cases where dogs are present at family gatherings, small children sometimes are viewed as "threatening their territories."

"That is the most likely scenario," Van Wassenhove said. "We don't expect a 20-month-old child to provoke a dog."

Bottom line -- if there was a great deal of churn going on in the house -- people coming and going -- the dog should have been crated for EVERYONE'S safety.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Birdland
on Jan 9, 2008 at 9:49 am

Regarding children on leashes -- When I see that two things cross my mind:

1) You have a lax/lazy parent or
2) The child is somewhat unmanageable -- which again goes back (often times) to Item #1.


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Posted by Fred
a resident of Del Prado
on Jan 14, 2008 at 4:51 pm

Regarding children on leases -- obviously you do not have twins!


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Posted by anaonymous
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jun 10, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Oh yeah, that's so intelligent... but typical to blame the parents and lable them "lax and lazy" if a child has a disability such as autism, aspergers, bipolar, or any other chemical imbalance or disorder of cognition that prevents them from recognizing common safety measures implemented and enforced by their RESPONSIBLE parents... yeah lets not take genetics into consideration at all when a child is not behaving as expected or as "normally" as other children.

How is it a parent's fault that their child was born with some sort of disorder?

Judgemental people... this type of ignorance only breeds more problems for society. Some dogs and other animals get better treatment and protection than some humans do especially those with mental illness or behavioral issues, and that abuse and blatant disregard is very "anti-human" and disgusts me!

Oh an to the editor, the word is anonymous, "anaonymous".


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Posted by Careful DogWalker
a resident of another community
on Oct 31, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Ticketing unleashed dogs can be a good business for a city with an overstaffed and under-productive police department. Newport Beach in Southern California is an example. Animal Control cover school yards and public parks. However, the fully-commissioned and highly paid police officers spend sunset evenings patrolling the Corona del Mar viewpoint knolls above the Pacific Ocean. These knolls have greater revenue potential for the Newport Beach Police Department (NBPD)to score a double play of unleashed dog and evening cocktail, better known as PB which stands for pooch-n-beverage. But dogs have the unique sense for retaining security intelligence. In time, the dogs will be able to sniff a NBPD officer before they can approach the knolls. The NBPD will have to find other more worthwhile services to do, or else reduce the bloated staff during California's budget cuts.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Parkside
on Feb 13, 2015 at 7:45 am

My friend, and I walk around The Pleasanton Sports Park every morning, and every morning we encounter multiple dogs without a leash walking or running with their owner. We both love dogs, but would really appreciate it if the owners would take the responsibility to follow the laws, and put a leash on their dog(s) big or small. We recently had a large dog lunge towards us while we were walking at the Sports Park. Luckily the owner had his dog on a leash, but even he struggled to keep his dog away from us. We hate to imagine what could have happened if this dog was not on a leash. Every morning we come across many dogs with out a leash, as we walk around the park, and some owners are oblivious to the fact that their dog could bite, or hurt someone. PLEASE follow the laws, and be courteous of others, and to those responsible owners out there---we thank you very much!


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Posted by Julie
a resident of Parkside
on Feb 13, 2015 at 12:30 pm

Dogs not on a leash are a common site in the Sports Park. People seem to think the law doesn't pertain to them.
Maybe if the law was enforced people would take it more seriously. I see more off leash dogs in the Sports Park than ones on a leash.
Why isn't this law enforced?? A few hefty fines and maybe people would think differently.
Same goes for the access road along the arroyo. My yard backs up to it and very few people have leashes on their dogs!


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Posted by dog lover
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 13, 2015 at 2:34 pm

Speaking as a dog lover and former owner, any dog should be on a leash unless inside a fence on owner's property, or a fenced 'dog' park. I really get ticked when a neighbor leaves garage door slightly raised for the dog and cat to 'leave' when they feel the need to poop... in a neighbor's grass!!...AND there's a park in sight!!! Of course the people walking to the park with a leash, yet 'pause' at each yard along the way are even more clueless, dense, or selfishly arrogant...like their poop doesn't stick (owner that is).


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Feb 13, 2015 at 5:33 pm

Well, while we're airing pet peeves, one thing that really bugs me is that many dog owners apparently do not clean up their dog's poop when they're out walking and the dog goes on a lawn or sidewalk. And, no, I don't hate dogs. I'm a dog owner and always carry doggie poop bags with me for when my dog feels the urge of nature during a walk. The last time I took my small dog for a walk, I came back with not one bag but three bags of poop! Why? Well, my dog pooped once, but then during the walk I saw two more piles of dog poop on or next to the sidewalk that annoyed me so much that I bagged them, too.

So for all you dog walkers out there here's a tip: Keep a small roll of doggie poop bags in your pocket at all times. That way, you'll never forget them and will always have one ready when you need one. They don't take up much room in your pocket, so they aren't an inconvenience to have in your pocket all the time. And clean up your dogs mess when he goes! Someone is going to have to, and you're being a bit of a jerk if you expect someone else to do something that you're supposed to do.


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Posted by clean it up
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 13, 2015 at 6:12 pm

While on an early morning downtown walk I watched a woman let her two big dogs poop on the sidewalk and make no attempt to pick it up. I took a photo on my phone and caught up with her. Told her that the photo, which clearly showed her, would be posted online showing her and the dogs unless she went back and picked it up. She even had bags but was just too lazy to pick up the poop until confronted.

I don't hate dogs, but many dog owners are high on my list of worthless humans.


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Posted by Fred Cline
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 13, 2015 at 6:34 pm

Clean it up, I want to know if she went back and cleaned it up.
And what did she say to you.
I would have done exactly what you did.
Some pet owners are just idiots!


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Posted by clean it up
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 13, 2015 at 6:37 pm

@Fred -- she most certainly did go clean it up. Swearing at me the whole time. What a lovely person she is. But her dog poop was not sitting in the middle of the sidewalk any longer.


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Posted by Gail
a resident of Del Prado
on Feb 13, 2015 at 8:19 pm

Yeah clean it up!! Score one for the good guys.
Kudos to you for speaking up!


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Posted by Father of a kid
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Feb 13, 2015 at 9:56 pm

Dogs need to be on leashes, owners need to pick up after them. Clean it up, great job, you should post her picture anyway. I just love how owners put their dogs crap in a bag then throw it in the bushes or toss it in the gutters. I just put animal controls number into my cell, your dogs off leash then your getting a ticket.


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Posted by Deb Bond
a resident of Val Vista
on Feb 14, 2015 at 6:11 am

@Father of a kid...part of the problem is they don't give out tickets. IF and that's a big if, they even stop someone they get a warning, then another warning. And the entitled person just shrugs it off and continues to take their dog out off leash. In all my years walking the Sports Park daily I have never, ever seen animal control stop one person. I rarely even see them there. Last time I did she was there to use the restroom. Lots of off leash dogs but she never talked to a single one of the owners. Just got in her van and left.


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Posted by clean it up
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 14, 2015 at 7:51 am

I have been to the sport's park exactly once and will never go back due to the dog and dog poop issues. However, for all of you who do go and see this regularly, why have you not yet written to the city council about the lack of enforcement of the leash laws? It seems that the PD does not care at all so you need to take this a step up the ranks and get these laws enforced. I can hardly have a say in it as I never use the park but complaining here will not get the doggie idiots to stop what they are doing. If the PD does not care then take it to the council. It is not as if you are asking for a regular street cop to do it, we pay for at least one full time animal enforcement officer and that person is clearly not doing their job.


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Posted by Housa Guboi
a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Feb 14, 2015 at 11:26 am

For all the complaints contained in threads like these, there are remarkably few -- almost no -- actual incidents, even at the low level of compliance all the dire warners claim. Howsabout a little perspective, folks --dogs are typically better citizens than most people. The vocal few who feel the need to claim the end of the world is nigh if they ever have to lay eyes on a stray turd Must have better things to do, don't they?

We've all got 99 problems, and none of them involve canines.


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Feb 14, 2015 at 11:45 am

@Housa Guboi : "For all the complaints contained in threads like these, there are remarkably few -- almost no -- actual incidents, even at the low level of compliance all the dire warners claim. "

You know, I was just thinking the exact same thing. Putting everything in perspective, I think that unleashed dogs rank pretty low on the scale of community problems. We have to have something to gripe about on these forums, though.


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Posted by dog lover
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 14, 2015 at 1:12 pm

Housa, neighbors 'choose' neighborhoods to live in by 'common values', which also determines the 'price' of a neighborhood, habits, junker cars, loud music at night, trash cans, AND dog poop. Pleasanton is lucky to have a number of neighborhoods specifically built around parks. Keeping a 'tight' leash until reaching the park is responsible & often required, allowing for some 'safer' pauses on the way home.
Some practices are just rude, and wrong to make the 'victim' be police and end up being the 'unfriendly' neighbor by NEEDING to remind the abuser of the UNneighborly task of cleaning up after others...poop, or trash. Peed on dead brown grass is more permanent, and a daily reminder of the 'damn dog' you know did it.
Towns and neighborhoods have reputations, good or bad. Home 'owners' are quite sensitive to 'prices & reputations". Renters are often not as welcome in neighborhoods, because sometimes they are not as sensitive to 'keeping up" the neighborhood...price!! Renters and homeowners both tend to 'choose' better neighborhoods, as I'm sure you did yourself. Poop matters.


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Posted by BobB
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 14, 2015 at 5:27 pm

To "Housa",

Why not just clean up after your dog.


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Posted by Housa Guboi
a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Feb 14, 2015 at 6:21 pm

I have scooped more poop in my lifetime than almost anybody in this valley, I'd wager, based on my own dogs, dog park dogs, my profession and my hobbies. I never leave it around and I often pickup orphan piles just to foreclose complaint opportunities. I even designed and built poop bag holders for local DPs. And I've Never set any afire in a bag on anybody's porch -- well, except for that once, but I was ten.

I know so much about dog poop that I am aware just how Trivial these complaints really are.