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OPINION: Demands by BART's unions for 21% raise over 3 years simply unaffordable for BART, unreasonable by any measure

Original post made on Sep 22, 2013

In these final days of Gov. Jerry Brown's "cooling off" period that temporarily halted the BART transit strike on Aug. 11, there's still not much to cheer about other than both BART management and unions are talking occasionally.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Sunday, September 22, 2013, 8:00 AM

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Posted by Mchael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 22, 2013 at 9:47 am

The unions demands are excessive, unreasonable and bullying.


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Posted by Paul Aguire
a resident of Country Fair
on Sep 22, 2013 at 10:26 am

I find it amazing and interesting to watch that anyone would complain about their demands. After all we voted for extremely liberal friendly to labor people to represent us in Washington DC, Sacramento legislature and assembly and governor. Not to mention the fact that the BART board and supervisors are made up of very liberal and friendly to union people and then we acted shocked at the price tag of our voting records. We are the only major area of the country which I can think of where transit workers have the right to strike and shutdown the entire system. We wanted it, voted for it, and now we got want we asked for so lets just give me what they want and move on until the next strike by our worthless cops, firemen, city workers, etc. and then lets just give in there also. The chickens are coming home to roast as they say so lets not show mock anger over what we voted for.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 22, 2013 at 10:45 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

There is some percentage of the US and California that (a) did not vote for those currently in office, and (b) warned about the unintended consequences of having these people in office. However, even with the majority voting for this outcome, it is not an abdication of our voices in the processes and plans of those who are elected. It's just as important to speak now as it was to vote then.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 22, 2013 at 11:05 am

Workers have a legal right to STRIKE. If that can't be averted, the public will have to find alternative ways of getting to work.




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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 22, 2013 at 11:08 am

Actually, the people we voted into office (BART Board) ARE fighting the union and behaving in a fiscally conservative manner. Just sayin'.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 22, 2013 at 11:21 am

Friends of Friends will be operating a shuttle between Plutonia and San Francisco should their be a strike.

It could be that a few of the drivers of private cars will be "illegals".

BEWARE!


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Posted by twosted
a resident of Pleasanton Village
on Sep 22, 2013 at 11:39 am

I always find it funny how these articles break down the unions proposals to include the pension requests. But managements offer of 10% is always represented as just that. There is never any mention of the 4% giveback to pension that management wants. No mention of the increase in medical that management wants. As it stands right now, managements offer would cause an employee with blue cross/blue shield to be in the negative. Do the math.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 22, 2013 at 12:25 pm

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b, agreed. I support their efforts. Suggesting citizens speak up is not just for one side of the aisle.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 22, 2013 at 12:31 pm

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Here is BART management's offer:
Web Link

Three excerpts"
"On August 10th, BART presented its final offer to union leadership to help reach a contract agreement before the cooling off period took effect the following day. Union leadership left the bargaining table and has yet to respond to the proposal, which includes a 10% raise for employees over four years (2.5%, 2.5%, 2.5% and 2.5%)."

"BART's final offer calls for employees to begin to contribute 1% of base wages to their pension the first year, and 2%, 3% and 4% in subsequent years. Employees currently pay nothing."

"For health care, employees will continue to pay the same scheduled flat rate which is currently $92.24 per month. However BART will adjust the cap on its health insurance payment to the lower of either the Kaiser or Blue Shield Access Plus family plan. Those who desire to have a more expensive plan will need to pay the difference. "


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 22, 2013 at 1:21 pm

"B" is correct, we did elect the BART board. Time to let them know of our support for their actions.

The Board member representing Pleasanton is John McPartland. The Chairman of the Board is Tom Radulovich. Both can be reached at:

boardofdirectors@bart.gov


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 22, 2013 at 3:26 pm

All you have to do to conduct a question/answer show on BART trains is a telephone!

That's all I have and a fair to go back and forth to gather information.

You can get off the train and ask questions anywhere along the line. Then you send in the passenger responses to the Union involved in negotiations with BART admin. and poof, the show is off 'n running!

Creative or What?

Today I conducted 22 interviews. I'll continue until I get too tired and I have what the TV stations need.

Free of Change! HOORAY!


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Posted by local
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 22, 2013 at 3:43 pm

BART management offer is too generous. These people have been overpaid for some time and it is time to get things back in wack. Free pension, extremely high medical insurance, high salaries, less than 40 hours per week considered full time, massive overtime, call in 'sick' and then work overtime on the same week.

Provisions that should be fixed in this contract:
1) Allow training of replacement workers while union workers on the job.
2) Overtime only if you actually work more than 40 hours in the week (no counting sick or vacation time as time worked).
3) Plan to get all employees paying the full employee share of the pension plan.


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Posted by local
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 22, 2013 at 4:39 pm

'safety' is the red herring, unless somebody knows about planned sabotage by the striking workers. The whole issue here is money with the union throwing in 'safety' to divert people's attention away. If the union was truly concerned on safety, they would not have the provision in the contract that prevents bart from training replacement workers while workers are on strike.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 22, 2013 at 4:57 pm

BART posts the following:

Web Link

Why would BART Management post useless rules unless they're trying to seize upon the fears of riders?

As for herring: yum yum plenty!


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Posted by local
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 22, 2013 at 7:17 pm

I am glad you brought up the point that the bart equipment is outdated and needs to be replaced, which will help safety also. This cannot happen if there is no money for purchasing replacement vehicles. The union wants the money that will be used for replacement equipment to instead be used for a huge raise for the union members. So there again you have the union saying that safety is a concern and at the same time want to ensure the safety items will not have any funding. Proving the union is not concerned on the safety of the riders.

Every cent that goes to raises for the employees is money being taken away from new equipment that will bring greater safety and modernizing our aged fleet.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 22, 2013 at 10:26 pm

To put a few numbers into the discussion, from the 2013 BART budget:

Salaries $381M
New equipment and improvements: $69M

Yes, BART spends 5 1/2 times more money on salaries than they do on new equipment and improvements to existing facilities.

I had no idea that labor was such a large piece of the revenue pie. It's 57% of BART's total operating budget.


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Posted by Pazo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2013 at 9:08 am

How about people not voting for left-wing loons that do stupid things like giving transit workers the right to strike. That would be solution #1. Solution #2 is to fire all the striking BART workers and replace them with new workers. It won't be hard to find replacements. People need to just suck it up during the time needed to hire and train new workers.


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Posted by Educated
a resident of Foothill High School
on Sep 23, 2013 at 9:13 am

Time to start hiring replacement workers.

I bet they wouldn't have ANY trouble replacing most of the workers for LESS THAN the current workers are being paid, and probably get better workers to boot!!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 10:08 am

The Plutonia country Club had the same idea of firing all striking employees. What happened? The country club eventually had to eat crow and rehire them!

It is legal for BART employees to strike. Prove that it isn't.

i'm waiting...


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Posted by joey
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2013 at 10:23 am

Cholo, I fail to understand your repeated claims that the employees cannot strike, we all know that they can. The question is what is their issue? cuz for the majority of us, we feel it is unjustified based on the employee demands are out of line with a reasonable request. So I don't mind if they strike, we will find other ways to get from point a to point b and life goes one. When they see they get no support from the public on their demands, they will adjust accordingly. In the meantime we are inconvenienced.


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Posted by AlamedaCountyNative
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Sep 23, 2013 at 10:31 am

Cholo,
You have Freedom of Speech guaranteed by the Constitution. You also have the right to remain silent. If you can't exercise the one responsibly, you might consider the other.


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Posted by H
a resident of Laguna Vista
on Sep 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm

Public Unions abuse of their power is excessive. When you can blackmail the public by shutdown down strategic transportation systems, that is way too much power. Public unions should be outlawed or regulated was to what they can and can not do. The Bart union
should give back their unfair gains. They are one of the highest paid
public employees in the entire nation, with IMHO one the overly generous
pension systems anywhere. What did they do to deserve this? except to shutdown a critical key transportation system unless they get their way. The Bart Board should considering moving all non-critical jobs to a contractor base.
Just for the record. I believe in strong unions.....they created the middle class....just not in public unions.....which sit on the same side of the table as the politicians.

Mad as heck,
H.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:26 pm

BART Replacements:

Web Link

Lets all PRAY that the public will not be put in Harms Way by inconsiderate BART management.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:38 pm

BART General Manager gets a salary of $300,000.00 plus way cool PERKS!

BART Negotiation earsn $399,000.00...tee hee hee...

Have any of you whiners on BART's side look forward to earning that kinda salary...NOT!

tee hee hee...


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Posted by right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:40 pm

cholo, even you can see the difference between private and public sector unions, correct? Your comparison of the illegals working at Castlewood to choo-choo operators pushing buttons to make the train go, is laughable. If the Castlewood employees walked off, the club members would have to deal with dirty bathrooms----if BART walks off, thousands of commuters trying to get to and from work will be stranded. Some comparison.....


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm

BART Management = Serious Bucks in Unused Time-Off:

Web Link

tee hee hee...

BUSTED!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:52 pm

Dorthy Duggest of BART worked "1 Day":

Web Link

sure nuff wish Miss Dorthy was my lady...slick lady!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm

Some folks believe the Hock was brought in break Federal labor laws -

Bust the Union...BUSTED!

Web Link


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm

Has anyone noticed that the new mini-trains to be used for the Oakland Airport connector are driverless?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 6:42 pm

I am aware: Web Link


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 6:44 pm

Driver less train: Web Link


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Posted by Eric
a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 23, 2013 at 7:52 pm

Bart can give the unions what they want but the board would have to take a pay cut and we all know that managers never want their pay cut or their benefits cut.Most people would be shocked at the money Bart Board members make every year. All those bleeding hearts that think the unions are being unfair need to pull your heads out.Every Board member makes over 300k a year so who is screwing who.


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Posted by common sense
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2013 at 9:07 pm

I find it interesting that Union people say manning Bart trains with untrained operators (in their opinion) is unsafe. Thereby the union is saying take our offer or people will be in jeopardy. However, when you put all those Bart riders on the roads in cars where will be the greatest jeopardy for accidents and loss of life.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 10:11 pm

That us completely untrue cs...there is not statistical proof.


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Posted by right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2013 at 10:22 pm

Eric, assuming you can work a calculator, get it out and calculate how many managers would have to take pay cut in order to cover the union's demands. Answer is, in case you haven't figured it out is there are not enough BART managers to cover the increases the union drones are demanding. Nice, try, though. Maybe in another life, you can get an education and become one of those managers you so depise.


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Posted by local
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 23, 2013 at 10:46 pm

Eric, I went to the mercury news salary database and looked up BART directors as you said. Perhaps you would be the shocked one to know their salary is $17,038/year. You really should not be making up numbers that can be easily verified. BART Directors make $17,038 but they do get medical coverage at a cost of $24,292 (which I feel should be eliminated) and deferred compensation of $1,304 (which should also be eliminated. Total cost for each board member, including benefits is $43,269. To put that into perspective, the total cost, including benefits, for a car cleaner is over $90,000. All of the salaries and benefits are in the mercury new salary database at: Web Link


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 23, 2013 at 11:01 pm

Web Link


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Posted by right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 24, 2013 at 8:45 am

cholo, please don't be jealous of those who are well educated, experienced and successful. Perhaps you missed your opportunity to better yourself and now that you are in the twilight of your life, it's too late to improve yourself. That is not an excuse to try to bring other people down to your level.
Court is adjourned..........


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 10:46 am

oh my...i'm reduced to teary teary tearies!

Reminder: If BART continues to stall negotiations, there will be a strike!

BART employees are dedicated to their jobs and only want they fair share of the pie.

If BART management can ear hundreds of thousands of dollars, I see no reason for employees to also earn their fair share of your monies!

fair is fair...i rest my case

ps If you're angry and you know it clap your hands!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 10:49 am

Salary and PERKIES FOR TOP BART MANAGEMENT!

Web Link

WHAT DOES THE PUBLIC THINK ABOUT HER SALARY? IS SHE WORTHY?

SHE ONLY HAS AN MBA,NOT A PH.D. BUSTED!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 10:55 am

Former BART TOP DOG Dorothy Duggar walks away with 1 MILLION DOLLARS after she was fired in 2011...DUh duh...

What else did she do to line her pockets with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...yall got sucker punched...tee hee

What about Missy Dorothy Duggar mes petites?

I'm waiting for you slick writers!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 11:01 am

BART employees earn:

Web Link

nota bene: I've earned 2 graduate degrees. One from UC Berkeley!

I've also taught painting at the university level...tee hee hee


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 11:23 am

been had sooooooooo much to do that I forgot to mention that i've also exhibited art at various museums,universities, art galleries:

The California Palace of the Legion of Honor, The San Francisco Museum of Art, Oakland Museum, and other professional art galleries...tee hee hee

i also trained at UCSF...tee hee hee...sorry to have to be the one to disappoint a few of you...

incidentally, my father was also highly educated man...and, KIND!



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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 11:26 am

Correction: My daddie done been a highly educated person folk and spoke many languages, English included! tee hee hee...

i've often wondered why caucasoid types assume that folks like moi are uneducated? NOT! tee hee hee...


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 11:57 am

Hi "right"...I own 40% of a 6 unit apartment building in Cole Valley, San Francisco with senior friends.

I'm so sorry to disappoint you. I have been quite successful socially and professionally. I'm happy for you and your friends. Success = having a limited income for life! tee hee...

one of my primary goals is to help out others who have been less successful...it's quite satisfying, you ought to try it!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 12:23 pm

How can anybody on the BART Board of Directors be at the top of her/his game NOT having EARNED a Ph.D. from a major American university?

NOT ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BART BOARD HAS EARNED A PH.D.?

It appears that they have all failed to earn Ph.D's. Am I right?

It's not about not just having earned a terminal academic degree.
The BART board has clearly NOT exhausted the educational opportunities or truly explored current research re: multiple complex issues related to public relations/transporation concerns in a large metropolitan area.

The BART Board of Directors has clearly fallen short of providing the public with a clear understanding of the current concern re: impending BART strike. How come?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 12:32 pm

$180,000.00 OVERTIME PAY FOR BART CHIEF OF POLICE?

How does anybody working for BART management earn $180,000.00 in overtime pay?

duh...look it up...stuff happens...tee hee...

well well well whiners...if you're not PROUD to have the Chief of BART Police earning soooooo muchy much overtime pay, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO ABOUT IT? nothing...right? tee hee...


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 2:51 pm

Is the BART Chief of Police considered management? If so, is it legal for him to collect over-time pay?

just axing...


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 2:56 pm

BART Chief of Police:

Web Link


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Sep 24, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Beginning salary for Step I - Lieutenant Bart Police:

Web Link

Excessive salary or what? Step I - 6 figures!

Too much for minimal educartional requirements...YUP!

Time to complain? Yes or No?


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 24, 2013 at 5:47 pm

Whatever excesses the BART police may or may not be getting have no impact on the central issue at hand, the $100,000,000 (one hundred million dollar) difference between the BART unions' demand and the offer from management.


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Posted by Daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm

Daveg is a registered user.

The ramblings by Cholo have no bearing on the issue at hand with the topic. I'm not sure at all what point her ramblings are attempting to highlight, other than to point out the idiotic nature of her numerous postings. The issue is that demands by BART's unions for a 21% raise over 3 years are simply unaffordable for BART and unreasonable by any measure. One only has to look at the facts to determine that the union is totally out of touch with reality. To attempt to link somebodies salary in a job that calls for an advance degree and is subject to dismissal based upon his or her job performance to a job that requires only a high school or GED and is protected from dismissal by an antiquated seniority system is the height of stupidity.


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Posted by Daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 28, 2013 at 11:48 am

Daveg is a registered user.

The Bart unions continue to lose support for their outlandish demands. Here's a quote from the East Bay Leadership Council."The package offered by BART management at this time appears to be fair and still includes many financial benefits that exceed similar private-sector compensation. Published reports suggest that with management's proposed contract, BART employees will remain competitively compensated".
Read the full article here.
Web Link