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Liberal AntiGun Zealots Would Never Understand

Original post made by Duke on Feb 3, 2013

Former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and his neighbor Chad Littlefield took former Marine Eddie Ray Routh to a Texas gun range to help him regain his sanity, but for some entirely like really really truly inexplicable reason Routh allegedly turned his gun on his two mentors, killing them both, police said today.

You see, whenever anyone is showing signs of mental instability, the best option is to take them to a gun range and put a gun in their hands and tell them to have at it. Because, you see, truly, it's very therapeutic to put guns in the hands of people who are mentally unstable. It is, after all, our Second Amendment right.

That's why I subscribe to all the NRA literature. Because they give me such good advice. So, the next time you hear your neighbor talking about how he wants to slaughter some group of people, just take him to a gun range, put a gun in his hand, and let him have at it.

I'm certain the Founding Fathers would approve wholeheartedly.

Comments

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 3, 2013 at 9:30 pm

Excuse me. Chris and Chad had some very serious distortions re: what might help the killer. Unfortunately, somebody didn't step in and put an end to this insanity before they were killed.

Ignorance can cost lives.


Posted by nancy s., a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 3, 2013 at 9:32 pm

I dont know what training chris kyle had in Psychology or psychiatry but I don't think bringing somebody with PTSD from to being in a war zone Where guns and bombs are going off all around him To a firing range where people are shooting is really in that person 's best welfare. Chances are the suspect heard the firing and felt he was back in a war zone And In his mind was just defending himself.


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Feb 3, 2013 at 10:23 pm

Unfortunately, many gun enthusiasts seem to be blind to the fact that some people probably shouldn't be handling guns. Hence, we have the case of the Sandy Hook shooter, whose mother thought it was a good idea to place guns in his hands in order to teach him "responsibility", and the case of Kip Kinkel, an emotionally troubled teen who attempted to carry out a school massacre with a gun (Web Link). His parents bought him a 9mm Glock handgun at the age of 15 because they thought it would teach him "responsibility". They ended up paying for their mistake in judgement with their lives, just as former Navy SEAL paid for his mistaken judgement in going to a shooting range with a troubled PTSD ex-Marine with his life. Couldn't he have taken the troubled ex-Marine fishing instead? By what distorted logic does it make sense to take such an individual to a shooting range?

The former Navy SEAL's security company apparently has contracts with a number of public Texas schools to train armed security guards for them in the belief that armed security guards on school campuses will greatly reduce or eliminate the chances of a gun massacre like Sandy Hook. Anyone see the irony here? Despite being a highly skilled ex-military combat professional AND holding a loaded weapon, this ex-Navy SEAL couldn't even save his own life when surprised by a gun-wielding nut.


Posted by Guns, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2013 at 10:13 am

Most US schools before the 60s had 'gun clubs' at schools...for fun, learning safety, school competitions like archery clubs, etc. Think about factors that have changed many things since then. Sort of goes back to the debate of shooter?? or gun??? pretty self-evident.
In Chicago today, 80% of murders take place on south & west side, and 20% in the remaining half, who also have guns but not murders.
Values & culture...Kids breeding (but not parenting)kids. Lack of shame of multiple babies but never married, why bother when government pays you to breed. Lack of condom use due to stupid religious intrusions and superstitions. Rather than smarter and more responsible, each generation becomes more irresponsible. Kids use to have personal pride, wanting to be and do good. Progress.


Posted by Duke, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2013 at 10:40 am

Not quite sure what your point is, Guns, other than that you like guns.

1. Eddie Ray's murder of Chris and Chad took place in the gunslinging state of Texas. Not Chicago.

2. Eddie Ray had spent a good deal of time in the Marines. Bad values?

3. Don't know whether his parents favored condoms or not.

Having a little bit of trouble with that logic thing?


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm

Guns can be found in every nook and cranny on earth, not just Texas.

It's a national tragedy that Chris and Chad are dead. Hopefully, the national discussion re: guns will continue.

Veterans have an enormous amount of adjusting to accomplish when they return to civilian life. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that all 3 of the men involved in this tragedy were doing their best to cope with the multiple stressors of living a civilian life. Most adults at one time or another exhibit poor judgement. It's heartbreaking that the killing was not anticipated.

It's ironic that an identified traumatized soldier was invited to shoot it up. He did what he was invited to do and now he's a criminal? I wonder if it's possible that both Chris and Chad were in some way also working through their own private war related traumas and they the chose the wrong solder to work it through?

I would appreciate hearing more about this case.





Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Feb 4, 2013 at 1:04 pm

Cholo wrote: "It's ironic that an identified traumatized soldier was invited to shoot it up. He did what he was invited to do and now he's a criminal?..."

The lack of judgement shown in taking an ex-Marine suffering from combat post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) to a shooting range is almost comic. Did these two others who were trying to help this troubled Marine think that the sound of gunfire would be soothing to someone suffering from PTSD? I can only imagine how they were trying to help the ex-Marine at the shooting range with their banter: "Hey! Listen to the rattle of that semi-automatic going off! Brings back warm memories of good old times, doesn't it, buddy?"

And, yes, based on what I've read so far, I'm not coming down too hard on this ex-Marine. He was suffering from PTSD and the two men who were killed knew that he was suffering from PTSD. They showed extremely poor judgement, and as a result they're both dead and the ex-Marine who, with time and patience, might have possibly been healed of PTSD and gone on to lead a productive life is now in prison charged with murder. It didn't have to turn out this way. I don't get the sense that this ex-Marine was destined to commit murder and ruin his life like I did with the Sandy Hook shooter. I get the sense that that this ex-Marine was going through a troubled time in his life and was trying to recover from some pretty traumatic combat experiences, and who may have made it but was unfortunately pushed over the edge due to some very poor decisions made by others.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2013 at 5:53 pm

This reminds me of Son My Lai, William Calley, and Charley Company. Calley was trained to kill and was held accountable for the massacre of about 500 civilians. As a II Lieutenant, he was trained to kill and that's what he accomplished. For successfully completing the task (s) that he was trained to do, Calley was demonized and lived about 3-4 years under house arrest. Hopefully, he received the help that he clearly needed when he returned to civilian life so that he might become a responsible American citizen.

PTSD is not just 4 capital letters in a row. It is a clinical diagnosis that is determined after trained mental health professionals observe and interview an individual. There a various criteria that a patient must meet to receive the diagnosis. It's not an unusual diagnosis for returning veterans who have lived under hostile fire.

I remain hopeful that the soldier who killed Chris and Chad will be closely observed and receive the necessary psychiatric treatment so that he may someday be viewed as a healthy responsible American citizen.







Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2013 at 6:02 pm

I don't know when the diagnosis of PTSD came into existence officially.

However tragic the Son My Lai Massacre, I still believe that II Lieutenant was an honorable soldier and it's my hope that his life today is peaceful. May he live a long healthy life.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2013 at 6:28 pm

History of Massacre in the USA: Web Link

Genocide in US is not uncommon. Not to mention in North, Central and South America. Million and millions and millions of indigenous people were murdered.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2013 at 7:44 pm

Robert Bales may be tried for murder of civilians in Afghanistan:

NEW YORK TIMES: Web Link

SLEEP DEPRIVED, ALCOHOL ABUSE, ETC...COMPLEX PTSD? TRAINED TO KILL THE ENEMY BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? DID HIS JOB AND NOW HE IS BEING LABELED A KILLER...Excuse Me?


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2013 at 9:00 pm

SF GATE: Veteran had been in mental hospital - Web Link

Information about the killing of Kyle and Littlefield...it just gets more tragic.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Feb 5, 2013 at 9:02 pm

Increase in military vet suicide: Web Link

Something very horrific is happening to American veterans.