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Bachmann and the HPV Vaccine

Original post made by Cindy Cross on Sep 15, 2011

Bachmann and the HPV Vaccine by Cindy Cross
Michele Bachmann started a huge controversy Monday during the Tea Party/GOP debate with her comments about the HPV vaccine for girls.
Bachmann aimed her comments at Rick Perry, who as governor of Texas issued an executive order to make the HPV vaccine mandatory in all public schools in 2007. Bachmann stated during the debate, ""I'm a mom. And I'm a mom of three children. And to have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order is just flat out wrong. That should never be done. It's a violation of a liberty interest."

Also at issue was whether Perry's motivation for the vaccines was for noble or financial reasons. Bachmann threw at Perry the fact that the manufacturer of the vaccine, Gardasil, was a contributor to Perry's campaign. To Bachmann's allegations, Perry retorted, "The company was Merck, and it was a $5,000 contribution that I had received from them. I raise about $30 million. And if you're saying that I can be bought for $5,000, I'm offended."

Bachmann also claimed that a woman approached her after the debate and claimed that her daughter suffered from mental retardation as a result of the Gardasil vaccine.

To publicly make such bold accusations without medical backing is irresponsible at best. I would rank Bachmann's comments right up there with yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater. She is placing women's health in danger since many of her backers will undoubtedly believe her foolish comments.

The medical community, including the CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, the American Academy of Family Physicians, and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and many other medical organizations, all agree that the HPV vaccine is safe and effective.

According to Dr. Kenneth Alexander, a pediatric infectious disease expert, the HPV vaccination would prevent 70% of the 12,000 cases of cervical cancer in the U.S.

Bachmann needs to offer a public apology and encourage young girls to get the vaccination to avoid cervical cancer. It's disturbing to think that Bachmann's motivation may be the small minded view that the vaccine might encourage girls to agree to pre-marital sex.

Public apology or not, the damage has been done. As of Monday, many will not allow their daughters to get the HPV vaccination and thereby putting their children at risk for cervical cancer later in life.

Thank goodness we already have laws on the books that make it mandatory to wear seatbelts while driving. I would hate for Bachmann to spew venom at the evil government for dictating how we drive.


Comments

Posted by Vanessa, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 16, 2011 at 6:28 am

Ah, yes, the idiot winds continue to blow through the Republican Party. Each year, bright and talented young men and women graduate from some of the world's best colleges and universities. They graduate with degrees in history, political science, economics; and many go on to law school and graduate school. Why is it, then, that the Republican Party seems only able to recruit quack doctors, oral roberts graduated lawyers, religious zealots, anti-science goofs ... and the list goes on. Bachmann feigning sanity, Cindy feigning intelligence, ah, what a nation of dumb, ignorant, fat people we have become.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 16, 2011 at 7:21 am

Stacey is a registered user.

This ranks right up there with parents withholding other childhood vaccines because of a poor study that the authors have since disavowed by, you know, parents who are well-educated and should know better.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Sep 16, 2011 at 8:32 am

Timely post, Stacey, as thousands of kids are being told to stay home from school today because they did not get their required whooping cough vacine. Whether it's a cultural issue or just plain ignorance, the parents of these kids don't care if they endanger the health of their neighbors or their kids.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 16, 2011 at 8:44 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Excellent opinion on the issue. It concludes with suggestions that don't "force" people to get their kids vaccinated. There _are_ legitimate medical reasons for why someone can't be vaccinated. Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 16, 2011 at 12:52 pm

maybe michelle has been eating too many patty melts?


Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2011 at 12:58 pm

jimf01 is a registered user.

Sen Rick Santorum actually came up with the right answer on this, why do we inoculate children attending public schools? It is so they do not transmit communicable diseases.

Cervical cancer doesn't fall in that category. If the government wants to operate a public information campaign via the schools because scientists determine that a pre-teen age is the right time for a girl to receive this inoculation, and the schools are the convenient place to offer a voluntary inoculation, then so be it. An "opt-in", so to speak.
Personally speaking, I feel that if the legislature of a state holds appropriate public hearings, and gets solid testimony from scientists who do not have any financial interest in the outcome, then and only then should an individual state proceed with use of taxpayer monies for such a program.
But your legislature in the state of California has not done that. Nope, CA Democrats (SURPRISE!) have passed AB 499 which states that a 12 year old girl can request the Gardasil inoculation without parental consent. Since your 12 year old can request it without telling you, the taxpayer is going to pay for it.
And it is well documented that Merck, the manufacturer of the drug, has donated thousands to CA legislators and thousands more to advocacy groups that have gone to the legislature to to encourage passage of this bill. Web Link
And since you will not find mention of it in a major California news outlet, this bill, AB 499, does now sit awaiting Jerry Brown's signature.
Voters who do not wish to pay for these inoculations or lose even more of their parental rights may want to ask the Governor for a veto. Web Link

As for demanding public apologies for presenting incorrect facts, Cindy Cross should is the last one who ought to be doing that in this space.


Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm

jimf01 is a registered user.

Demanding a public apology from Michelle Bachmann, Cindy? Have you been too busy cleaning the glass house you live in to read my comments on your last blog?


Posted by Amy, a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Sep 16, 2011 at 3:49 pm

Oooooh Boy. Jimful has his anger erupting again. What out, Cindy. Next he'll be calling you a race-baiter. Come to think of it, I think I remember you mentioning blacks in a prior piece. Well, that covers that.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 16, 2011 at 5:08 pm

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jimf01,

Cervical cancer is not communicable, but the human papilloma virus is, mostly via sexual intercourse. There's other germs like hepatitis also transmitted in the same way which the government puts on the immunization schedule. Sounds like a complex issue.


Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 16, 2011 at 5:20 pm

jimf01 is a registered user.

I understand and thank you for adding that, Stacey. It was an incomplete thought in my previous post, what I should have said was "It is so they do not transmit communicable diseases in school. Cervical cancer doesn't fall in that category."

If we have have 12 year olds spreading viruses via sexual intercourse at school, we have a much more serious issue on our hands. And I am not so prudish as to not understand what kids are doing outside of school!


Posted by Gujstav, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2011 at 5:30 pm

It doesn't take sexual intimacy for an incidence of HPV [removed].


Posted by HPV mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2011 at 6:01 pm

As a person who suffers from Multiple Sclerosis, I recommend AGAINST the HPV vaccine. Gardasil has been known (look at the CDC site below) to cause guillain-barre syndrome, which has symptoms similar to MS (paralysis, etc).

Although my MS is benign, I know what it is like to feel such symptoms, and I would never take that risk for my kids.

One of my friends has a daughter who had off and on paralysis 3 weeks after the Gardasil vaccine.

Read:

"Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) has been reported after vaccination with Gardasil® . GBS is a rare neurologic disorder that causes muscle weakness. It occurs in 1-2 out of every 100,000 people in their teens."

Web Link

So although Bachmann is not a person I agree with in most issues, on this one I do agree, Perry had absolutely no right to mandate a vaccine for anyone.

It is up to each parent to weigh the risk vs benefits of vaccines that are not a public threat. Although all vaccines should be a choice, I can see why the government would make certain vaccines like polio mandatory, but HPV vaccine? NO! especially with the risk, even if small, of developing a neurological disorder that is so awful


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 16, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

The human papilloma virus is spread mostly via sexual intercourse.


Posted by Victor, a resident of Old Towne
on Sep 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm

Sorry about your illness charlie, but you're projecting your own malady, combined with innuendo, to arrive at an opinion even daffier than Bachmann's.

The science is there. You're not. Trying to score political points on anecdotal musings about such an important issue is unconscionable. Spare us your ignorance, please.


Posted by HPV mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2011 at 6:10 pm

"As of Monday, many will not allow their daughters to get the HPV vaccination and thereby putting their children at risk for cervical cancer later in life."


Cindy,
do you have the HPV vaccine? I do not, and I do not have cervical cancer. In fact, up until now, such vaccine did not exist and we did just fine.


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2011 at 6:16 pm

"The human papilloma virus is spread mostly via sexual intercourse."

That is true, and we have bigger diseases to worry about, like AIDS, that are contracted through careless, unprotected sex.

From the CDC:

"HPV is passed on through genital contact, most often during vaginal and anal sex. HPV may also be passed on during oral sex and genital-to-genital contact. HPV can be passed on between straight and same-sex partners—even when the infected partner has no signs or symptoms."

Web Link


Posted by chuck, a resident of Charter Oaks
on Sep 16, 2011 at 8:47 pm

What does that have to do with anything, you idiot? Please direct your sick thoughts somewhere else.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2011 at 10:16 pm

" I do not, and I do not have cervical cancer. In fact, up until now, such vaccine did not exist and we did just fine."

Up until we had the small pox vaccine, such "such vaccine did not exist and we did just fine."

I hope you're only a troll and that you don't really believe what you are posting.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2011 at 10:29 pm

Bachmann has a history getting her facts all wrong. Here she is on the floor of the House of Representatives explaining the "Hoot Smalley" act and blaming FDR and the Democrats for passing it. The Smoot-Hawley act was actually written by congressman Hawley and Senator Smoot (both Republicans), and signed into law by Herbert Hoover (Republicans). It was opposed by FDR.

Web Link

Notice how she gets everything wrong. Keep this lady as far as possible from the White House.

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Posted by Mary, a resident of Country Fair
on Sep 17, 2011 at 10:47 am

Patriot,

For once I agree with you and she should not be president and based on what we are seeing in Washington right now we can see the impact of incompetent being elected President. Obama is a prime example of why we should not elect people without substance. Remember when he thought there were 57 states?


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2011 at 8:24 pm

"Up until we had the small pox vaccine, such "such vaccine did not exist and we did just fine.""

But small pox is highly contagious. HPV is different.

Again from the CDC site:

"HPV is passed on through genital contact, most often during vaginal and anal sex. HPV may also be passed on during oral sex and genital-to-genital contact. HPV can be passed on between straight and same-sex partners—even when the infected partner has no signs or symptoms."

Web Link

See Patriot, I could catch small pox just by hanging out with an infected person, but I cannot get HPV unless I am intimate with that infected someone. Sounds simple to me. And yes, I do believe what I am posting.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2011 at 12:23 pm

"For once I agree with you and she should not be president and based on what we are seeing in Washington right now we can see the impact of incompetent being elected President. Obama is a prime example of why we should not elect people without substance."

I agree with you there. We haven't seen much competence of the current white resident either.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2011 at 12:28 pm

"But small pox is highly contagious. HPV is different."

Of course, all diseases are different. My point is we weren't "doing just fine" before these vaccines. People were dying of these diseases.


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2011 at 2:12 pm

"Of course, all diseases are different. My point is we weren't "doing just fine" before these vaccines. People were dying of these diseases. "

I think you are missing the point. There are diseases such as smallpox (no longer around thanks to mandatory vaccines which ended in the 70s), polio, etc which are very contagious with casual contact, and these diseases can have devastating effects for those who get sick, and yes, those vaccines should be required before a child can enter a public school. It is a matter of public safety, and the benefits of such vaccines (polio, etc) outweigh the risks associated with them. Everyone should get them to avoid the outbreaks that have occurred (polio in the 80s in England because parents were not vaccinating, a recent outbreak of Measles in an alternative school in MN, for instance)

There are other vaccines, like the HPV one that should be up to each individual to get or not. A child cannot give HPV to his/her classmates at school just by sneezing in the classroom - the contact would need to be more intimate than that. So, no need to mandate HPV vaccination for all. Each individual should be free to choose the HPV vaccine or choose to go without it, and this choice would not pose a threat to the public.

Again, HPV is spread by intimate contact, and there are other more serious and more common STDs out there like AIDS that are spread through intimate rather than casual contact, and the key here is to educate kids about safe sex practices to avoid getting infected with HPV, HIV, etc; forcing HPV vaccines on all kids is simply not right.

The benefits of this HPV vaccine, imo, do not outweigh the risks associated with it (Guillain barre is well documented as a potential side effect, and I personally know someone whose daughter developed Guillain barre after the HPV shot).

The HPV vaccine is very new (2007) and we have yet to see what kind of side effects there may be in the long run. You are I am sure, aware that the smallpox vaccine is no longer given to all because of the side effects which are pretty bad. It is reserved for military staff and also for those who have been in contact with an infected person - because the potential side effects of the vaccine are nothing compared to having the illness, so the benefits outweigh the risks in this case.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2011 at 4:36 pm

"The benefits of this HPV vaccine, imo, do not outweigh the risks associated with it (Guillain barre is well documented as a potential side effect, and I personally know someone whose daughter developed Guillain barre after the HPV shot)."

I my opinion the benefits outweigh any potential risks, and I that is the opinion of the medical community.

"forcing HPV vaccines on all kids is simply not right."

I don't see anything wrong with it.

"and the key here is to educate kids about safe sex practices to avoid getting infected with HPV"

It is important to do both.

We were not "doing just fine" before this HPV vaccine. People were dying.


Posted by Jason, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 18, 2011 at 9:50 pm

@Vanessa:

"They graduate with degrees in history, political science, economics; and many go on to law school and graduate school."

- Herman Cain:BA (Mathematics) Morehouse, MS (Computer Science)Purdue
- Ron Paul:Duke University School of Medicine
- Mitt Romney:JD and MBA from Harvard
- Vanessa:???


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2011 at 9:30 am

"We were not "doing just fine" before this HPV vaccine. People were dying."

Again, dying of HIGHLY contagious diseases like small pox, etc.

People can only get HPV through intimate contact.

One cannot prevent being infected with say, chicken pox, because people are contagious before they know it and all it takes is casual contact. You cannot avoid going to the store, school, etc, so being in contact with people who are already contagious (of illnesses like chicken pox, polio, etc) is not something that is in your control. Having the vaccine makes sense for these type of illnesses.

But HPV can be prevented by being careful when you are intimate with someone. You do not have to have the vaccine, yet you can be in the same room as someone who has HPV and still NOT be infected that way, unless you choose to get intimate with that someone. And btw, Patriot, you do not have the HPV vaccine, and neither does anyone that is not a teen, why? It is not effective in people over a certain age. The medical community does not know how well it protects and for how long, but they will not vaccinate a say 26 year old, read about it. But vaccines for polio, etc are for everyone and are effective for everyone regardless of age.

"I my opinion the benefits outweigh any potential risks, and I that is the opinion of the medical community."

The medical community is not always right. Back in the 70s when they started to get people to get the swine flu shot, they eventually found out they were wrong as people were developing neurological illnesses and the vaccine was withdrawn.

I remember reading in a baby book, written in the early 80s by a pediatrician, that one could not pass AIDS to a kid through breast milk. Well, we now know that is not right!

Doctors are not always right, you have to use your own judgment and common sense, rather that viewing the medical community as some superior being that has all the answers (btw, my father is a doctor, and a really good one, so I am not bashing the profession, simply saying they do not have all the answers)




Posted by Kay, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Sep 19, 2011 at 1:26 pm

I am in favor of the vaccine and I am also in favor of making it required, like the whooping cough vaccine is required for public school enrollment. There are simple procedures in place to opt out, and that should have shut up the complainers, but apparently it did not.

I had my 2 daughters vaccinated at ages 14 and 15, and I will have my son vaccinated when he gets to that age also. After all, it is the male of the species that transmits the HPV, and the Gardasil testing done to date shows that males given the vaccine do not transmit HPV. There are two sides, male and female, that need to be addressed.


Posted by Bruce, a resident of Civic Square
on Sep 19, 2011 at 1:37 pm

Michele Bachmann is an idiot, as are the posters here who seek to legitimize her words/"concerns". These people will stop at nothing to score a political point. I wouldn't trust her to take out my garbage.


Posted by Vanessa, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm

Asked to provide some explanation for the dimwits currently filling the stage at Republican debates, and why they do not have impressive degrees from impressive universities, Jason offers that Cain has a degree from the highly prestigious (if otherwise anonymous)Morehouse State.

Then Jason offers the quack doctor Ron Paul's medical degree as an impressive qualification for president.

Ah, and then he sums up the legacy entrant Mitt Romney, who couldn't have become leader of a Boy Scout troop (ewwwww! ick!!!) were it not for his father's money and influence.

Wow, quite an assortment; quite a response.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2011 at 8:22 am

"Again, dying of HIGHLY contagious diseases like small pox, etc."

And dying of cervical cancer. We weren't doing fine. Those women died. They are dead. Many families lost their mothers, sisters, and daughters. We weren't "doing just fine". People were dying.


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2011 at 7:07 pm

"And dying of cervical cancer. We weren't doing fine. Those women died. They are dead. Many families lost their mothers, sisters, and daughters. We weren't "doing just fine". People were dying."

Do you have statistics/data to back up your claim?

People die of cancer all the time, but HPV related cancer is a small percentage.

Again Patriot, the vaccine is very new, and no adult your age or mine has it. Actually, only young people who were between a certain age as of 2007 have gotten it (if they agreed to it)

We have yet to see if the vaccine prevents any significant number of cancer-related deaths.


Posted by Kay, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Sep 20, 2011 at 10:19 pm

"People die of cancer all the time, but HPV related cancer is a small percentage."

I am stunned by your ignorance, selfishness, arrogance, and complete lack of compassion for those that suffered.

How will you feel ten years from now when your children get the HPV diagnosis? And every biometric model out there suggests they will, btw. How will you feel when you finally understand that getting the vaccine would have been the right thing to do for them and society at large, but you didn't do it out of your own ignorance and prejudices? Every indication is you won't care.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2011 at 10:28 pm

"Do you have statistics/data to back up your claim?"

That is easy enough to look up. It is mainstream medical opinion.

"People die of cancer all the time, but HPV related cancer is a small percentage."

You appear to be the one making the extraordinary claim. Where is your evidence?


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2011 at 10:33 pm

Just to get started:

Web Link

"Persistent HPV infections are now recognized as the cause of essentially all cervical cancers"

"In 2011, more than 12,000 women in the United States are expected to be diagnosed with cervical cancer and more than 4,000 are expected to die from it"

"Cervical cancer is diagnosed in nearly half a million women each year worldwide, claiming a quarter of a million lives annually."


Posted by I love Michele, a resident of Ironwood
on Sep 20, 2011 at 10:51 pm

Hey, if I can score a point for my babe, Michele, and it comes at the expense of your kids or mine, I'm absolutely fine with it. If she says the vaccine causes mental retardation then it must be true. She wouldn't have said it otherwise.


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 21, 2011 at 9:50 am

Speaking of ignorance, Kay and Patriot. Have you two bothered to read and understand about HPV, cervical cancer and the vaccines? Here is something from the National Cancer Institute:

"Almost all women will have an HPV infection at some point, but very few will develop cervical cancer. The immune system of most women will usually suppress or eliminate HPVs. Only HPV infections that are persistent (do not go away over many years) can lead to cervical cancer."

"Do women who have been vaccinated still need to have Pap tests?
Yes. Because these vaccines do not protect against all HPV types that can cause cancer"

Web Link

As for cancer types:

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Posted by Isaac, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 pm

Well, Patriot, you've just been bested by HPV Mandate, No! For there is no way you can effectively argue your point against such idiocy.

It goes like this: you say, "2 + 2 = 4, and so if we have two donuts and want a total of four donuts we have to add two donuts." The HPV idiot then retorts: "yeah, but 8 fortune cookies minus 3 fortune cookies = 5."

And so the ignorance machine goes on in this cesspool of right-wing idiocy.


Posted by Kay, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Sep 21, 2011 at 2:05 pm

So if not all HPV infections turn into cervical cancer, but virtually all cervical cancers are caused by HPV, how can anyone with any sense in their head think that continuing the spread of HPV when a vaccine is available is acceptable?

HPV Mandate No is churning out idiotic corollaries to support an unsupportable position. Isaac is right.


Posted by Isaac, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 21, 2011 at 3:39 pm

Thanks, Kay. I should have emphasized that the idiocy machine follows a standard predictable formula:

Kay says:

"So if not all HPV infections turn into cervical cancer, but virtually all cervical cancers are caused by HPV, how can anyone with any sense in their head think that continuing the spread of HPV when a vaccine is available is acceptable?"

HPV Mandate guy says, "But 8 fortune cookies minus 5 equals 3 fortune cookies."

Kay then says: We're not TALKING ABOUT fortune cookies; we're talking about HPV and available vaccine!

HPY Mandate guy can be predicted to say: "But you're not understanding my point. Stop being uncivil. It's better to die eating fortune cookies than to get into a car accident."

And so the idiocy machine churns on....


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 21, 2011 at 5:05 pm

"So if not all HPV infections turn into cervical cancer, but virtually all cervical cancers are caused by HPV, how can anyone with any sense in their head think that continuing the spread of HPV when a vaccine is available is acceptable? "

The spread of HPV will continue regardless of the vaccine because it only protects against 4 types of HPV, long term protection is not known, and other types of HPV which also cause cervical cancer are NOT covered by the vaccine.

Again, from the National Cancer Institute:

"Human papillomaviruses (HPVs) are a group of more than 150 related viruses, certain types of which can cause cancer."

"Of the more than 150 types of HPV, more than 40 types can be passed from one person to another through sexual contact."

"The Gardasil vaccine is produced by Merck & Co., Inc. It is called a quadrivalent vaccine because it protects against four HPV types: 6, 11, 16, and 18. "

"Neither of these HPV vaccines has been proven to provide complete protection against persistent infection with other HPV types"

Also, on that website, they state that the vaccine has the POTENTIAL to reduce deaths IF "protection turns out to be long-term" - right now they can only say it protects for about 8 years against those 4 specific HPV types.

"More will be known about the total duration of protection as research continues "

The chicken pox shot for instance, also stops protecting after a while, but the difference is that a booster shot can be given to anyone of ANY age and be effective and offer protection (unlike the HPV shot)

"The FDA approved Gardasil for use in females and males ages 9 to 26 and approved Cervarix for use in females ages 10 to 25."

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Here is a news article about gardasil:

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Posted by Isaac, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 21, 2011 at 6:36 pm

See what I mean? ;-)


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 21, 2011 at 10:09 pm

I think I'm going to have to give up.

I challenged "HPV Mandate..." assertion that we "we did just fine" without an HPV vaccination by pointing out that people were dying.

"HPV Mandate..." asked for statistics and I provided them.

We weren't doing "just fine".

Time to move on.

Let's hope people stop listening to Bachmann.


Posted by Isaac, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 21, 2011 at 11:08 pm

Congrats on your effort, Patriot. Your reasons and evidence were more than enough to convince most rational people. But as you probably are learning, rationality is in short supply on these poster boards. And, of course, as you surely know, the problem runs much deeper than Bachmann.


Posted by HPV Mandate? NO!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 22, 2011 at 2:14 pm

""HPV Mandate..." asked for statistics and I provided them."

And you chose to ignore a statement I provided, found on the website of the National Cancer Institute:

""Almost all women will have an HPV infection at some point, but very few will develop cervical cancer. The immune system of most women will usually suppress or eliminate HPVs. Only HPV infections that are persistent (do not go away over many years) can lead to cervical cancer."

Web Link

Bachman is wrong, and is quite extreme, in many areas but this one about the HPV mandate I do agree with.

So hope you read the above statement from the Cancer Institute, click on the link as well and read its contents (the same statistics you provided can be found on the cancer institute site. You should also read all the information on the CDC website, which you provided above, since it has some of the same information as the Cancer Institute, such as: how there are many types of HPV and only a few are covered by the vaccine, how of the majority (90%) of women who get infected with HPV do not develop cervical cancer and clear the virus on their own, how the HPV vaccine is not protection against the 40+ types of HPV which cause cancer, etc - but of course, you would need to READ the site and click on some of the links before you find all the relevant data)