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Hacienda Housing Park or China Town

Original post made by Jim, Pleasanton Valley, on Feb 1, 2014

Hacienda Business Park is the biggest mistake in Pleasanton history. All we can do now is build housing and schools.
They say its the largest mixed-use development of its kind in Northern California. Nothing to be proud of. Time to change the name.

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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Feb 1, 2014 at 10:48 am

I take it that by "Chinatown" you don't mean anything derogatory against people of Chinese ancestry but are merely using the term to describe an area densely packed with residences and businesses in close proximity to each other? Yes, thanks for reminding us all that the court ordered requirements to build more housing in Pleasanton resulted from Pleasanton's decision to attract more businesses and jobs to Pleasanton with developments such as Hacienda Business Park. The courts basically told Pleasanton that if you're going to host all those jobs, then you also have to host more residences to go along with all those new jobs.


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Posted by Jim
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:00 pm

Of course I don't mean anything derogatory and i'm not talking about the people that live around town. Every Chinatown in the Bay Area offers a verity of shops and lots of things to do. It would be nice to design it like the city. I hope it turns out as nice as Dublin and they get rid of the name.


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Posted by Local
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 1, 2014 at 6:43 pm

I haven't analyzed that closely about Hacienda. However, just yesterday I carefully looked at a "New Homes" color, glossy flyer/map indicating each project being built in the East Bay. I located by number each project along 580 in Dublin, East from Hacienda Blvd. Small square footage, but being build with 7 bedrooms.!?! I thought to myself, but American families average 2 children per house. These must not be for American families. I don't know if they expect Latinos (who already outnumber whites in births and college enrollments), or possibly one of the several Asian groups.
It will be interesting to see what's ahead in the Dublin complexes under construction. That might help with Pleasanton visuals.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 1, 2014 at 8:29 pm

"local",

You said " but American families average 2 children per house. These must not be for American families. I don't know if they expect Latinos (who already outnumber whites in births and college enrollments), or possibly one of the several Asian groups. "

Perhaps you don't realize that Asians and Latinos can be Americans too? Also, "whites" are not necessarily Americans. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "help with Pleasanton visuals". Could you please explain that?


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Posted by Local
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 1, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Well, if you read the printed word versus mistakenly interpreting what is not printed, it should be clear. Yes, according to citizen census the 'average' is 2 children per family (some more, some less). OK so far??
Yes, some Latinos and Asians in some bedrooms might be new Americans, the many additional future bedrooms might be for relatives yet to arrive and not yet Americans. And, to the 'white', that is from an article this week, re Latinos vs whites in Ca colleges, and official reports of Latino births in Ca far exceeding white births. It's not complicated. Just the facts.
So many questions, are you the disturber in your group? Visuals??? I intend to visually check out the Dublin 'row houses' with 'up to 7 bedrooms'. Sounds like lining up bedrooms to me. Why was visual difficult for you to understand? was YOUR mind thinking something else?? what a pain you must be if you are always looking for trouble, where there is none.
Isn't this thread about new housing developments? Jim was asking about Hacienda developments that have not yet started...Dublin might help to viualize. Did you have trouble reading in 6th grade too?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Feb 2, 2014 at 11:37 am

temper temper temper...the "Local'is waaaaaay touchy!

It's reasonable to ask questions...what's your problem? you seem to be over-reacting...please just give it a rest...
can we all get along...hmmmmmmmmmmm?


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2014 at 2:02 pm

"Yes, some Latinos and Asians in some bedrooms might be new Americans"

Or old Americans.

"And, to the 'white', that is from an article this week, re Latinos vs whites in Ca colleges"

That says "Latinos vs whites", not "Latinos vs Americans". That's the point I was making. You said "These must not be for American families" Maybe they are for Latino American families? Or Asian American families? Maybe you meant "These must not be for white families"? You said "American families average 2 children per house", not "white families average 2 children per house".

"Jim was asking about Hacienda developments that have not yet started...Dublin might help to viualize."

Thanks for the clarification. The new developments in Dublin do look nice, both commercial and residential. I especially like some of the new ethnic shopping centers. Just visited Kee Wah bakery yesterday. Yum! Have you tried it?

Web Link


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Posted by Local
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 2, 2014 at 5:00 pm

What's with making this about RACE? OBVIOUSLY, ANY race can be American!!! How dense!! Does that have to be spelled out. I'm saying maybe those 'extra' bedrooms are for non-citizens, some legal, some not so. Some illegal grandparents, some really e-x-t-e-n-d-e-d illegal brother & sister-in-laws. Yes, the American homeowner may have their 2 children, and also, no-so American 'relatives'. I was just commenting on the interesting number of bedrooms in a very small space and zero 'lot' space.
Next time I'll get out crayons and draw a picture. American means citizen. Simple. Regardless of race. How can you make something so complicated. It was quite simply a number of bedroom comment on new tri-valley construction by traditional American standards. 7 bedrooms usually include proportionally large lots...not squeezed together. Now you've created a new topic. New 'open' space, now creates a need to cram a lot into a house, and cram the houses close enough to hear conversations in the next house. That's not so 'open'. Still by the time a family becomes American, they've learned successful family 'economics' come from families with just 2 children. Property taxes vs. third child. All buyers should do the math before 'buying' into a house, or having a child. Big 'decisions' must be made.


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Posted by Map
a resident of Del Prado
on Feb 2, 2014 at 5:48 pm

Up to 7 bdrms to me means packing in the entire family from grandparents on down as they arrive, legally and illegally in the good ol USA. Any truth to the rumor that these "grandparents" are getting a free ride on our social security that the rest of us have been paying into our whole working lives??


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Posted by Bonnie
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 3, 2014 at 3:35 pm

yes MAP they get a lot of benefits ever tried parking at PMS on Sat to attend a game at the gym? Are all these people "Americans" who park there for the Asian classes? I doubt it and while we are on the subject look into how many seniors living in the two housing structures on Kottinger are Asian non citizens--about 70% at least You probably can get the correct percentage from the City.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Feb 3, 2014 at 4:34 pm

What I think is way cool is that Asian families appreciate living near their families and friends. Isn't that wonderful? yup...

It seems to me that most Caucasoid families don't like to live near their families? i wonder why...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...?

anybody know why?

i'm curious what Bunny's theory is? hmmmmmmmmm...?


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Posted by Local
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2014 at 9:50 am

Citizenship papers should be a mandatory requirement for any taxpayer subsidized housing. duh! How could they NOT be? Seniors???did they arrive without a family member living here!! I don't think so. NON-citizen seniors should be the responsibility of their family members... and not unless there are no citizens on the waiting list!


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 pm

"taxpayer subsidized housing"?

Who said anything about "taxpayer subsidized housing"?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2014 at 5:09 pm

Hopefully good folks will find a safe living environment.

I also remain hopeful that there will be residents from various racial/ethnic
backgrounds...the more the merrier!

I would like to kindly suggest that if others wish to interact that you please consider taking a forn langeeeeg class...cool or what? yup...

VIVA!


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Posted by Pololo Mololo
a resident of Livermore
on Feb 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm

ps If you don't speak English yet don't forget that you can take free English classes...yup...FREE English classes!

WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OFO AMERICA!


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Posted by Local
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2014 at 6:12 pm

Certainly no citizenship is needed to buy or rent anything at market rate. However, IF market rate is adjusted with any use of any public/taxpayer money (while Displacing citizen SENIORS) absolutely not. It doesn't matter if Canadian, Swedish, or Chinese. Nor, does it matter black, brown, red or yellow. Neither country nor race should matter to participate in any market rate product. However, Any public money creating phony 'low-income' means citizens only until no more citizens are interested. No citizen should be held aside while the world moves in to keep her out.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2014 at 11:00 pm

"However, Any public money creating phony 'low-income' means citizens only until no more citizens are interested. No citizen should be held aside while the world moves in to keep her out."

Sorry, I'm having trouble making sense of this, let alone how it applies to new housing developments in Pleasanton or Dublin.

Maybe there are some kind of public housing projects for non-citizens in Dublin with 7 bedrooms per house and small square footage? If that is what you mean, do you have the name of that development, or perhaps a link?


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Posted by Abe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 5, 2014 at 12:42 am

Well, thanks to John for eloquently standing up against all these fine, race-minded, PW reading Pleasantonians who want to deny people unlike themselves 14th amendment due process guarantees. Hit an undocumented immigrant with your car in the street? All so many P-towners would prefer not to have public money spent on clearing him off the street, taking him to the hospital, treating him, or burying him. Just let 'em lie there and rot. Cuz as noncitizens, us tax payers shouldn't have to foot the bill. ... And that thing called the 14th Amendment? That had to do with the terribly unfortunate time when government overextended its reach and waged war upon the fine, upstanding citizens of the South.

Ah, but I'm getting sidetracked. The real motive behind these posters' missives seems to be that they don't want to live side-by-side with Latinos, Blacks, Asians, or other nonAmericans. All just a part of Keeping Pleasanton Pure!


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Posted by Bonnie
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 5, 2014 at 11:48 am

just to clarify---a lot of the cultures we have here in Pleasanton have a tradition of the old folks living with the family--however now that has kind of gone by the wayside, which mean citizens,especially older women who are widowed and live on a small income,cannot find housing here in Pleasanton. This more about cultures than race/ethnicity so don't put this all in one package


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Feb 5, 2014 at 12:19 pm

Don't try to squirm out of being BUSTED! for your disguised racism bonnet.

You've left a trail of racist comments in the past. The truth hurts you racist porker.

i rest my case...


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Posted by Cletus
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Feb 5, 2014 at 1:14 pm

Bonnie. You go girl! You rock! We need to pity the poor widows who are being made to suffer while being pushed out of our areas by the races, cultures, call them whatever you want we know who they are. I doubt that Cholo is a citizen. He certainly doesn't sound like a real American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by Bonnie
a resident of Birdland
on Feb 5, 2014 at 4:07 pm

Actually YOU are busted "Cholo" because I've never sent comments before. Seems to me you are on the light intelligent side and bloviating is what you do best-don't forget to look that word up in the dictionary!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by Cletus
a resident of Foothill Farms
on Feb 5, 2014 at 5:13 pm

Bonnie from Birdyland said:

"yes MAP they get a lot of benefits ever tried parking at PMS on Sat to attend a game at the gym? Are all these people "Americans" who park there for the Asian classes? I doubt it and while we are on the subject look into how many seniors living in the two housing structures on Kottinger are Asian non citizens--about 70% at least You probably can get the correct percentage from the City."

Exactly Bonnie!!!!! Who could ever think your comments are at all racist, or that you'd be a racist porker? I bet Cholo is one of those "Americans" who really isn't a American. And his comments on the "light intelligent side" no doubt make him a diseased liberal to boot.

We need to do something about all those illegal alien squatters taking up space on Kottinger Ave. At least 70% are illegal. At least!!!! I know that for a fact!!!!!!!! And the authorities know it two!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Feb 5, 2014 at 5:25 pm

Bonny = bloviating bovine

i rest my case...