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on Feb 20, 2009
Thank you Gerry Brunken!! Please show up at Tuesday's meeting and speak to the council, yet again. SDE needs all the support it can get, even if it's been said so many times before.
Of course no Dublin resident has to "hit the freeway" to get there. They are already connected to El Charro. And soon (in a year or two)Jack London Blvd. will go through to El Charro and no Livermore resident will have to "hit the freeway" to get there. Only Pleasanton residents will not be able to get there without standing in the freeway gridlock. Why attach this island of land to Pleasanton when it is already more connected to Dublin and Livermore?
Oh, I get it. Pleasanton residents get to use a park they can drive to and use the planned-for parking area. Otherwise, sit in gridlock if you want to shop or get to the ice rink while Dublin and Livermore laugh at us! What a deal!
Nice post! But how are these people going to get re-elected if they do what is smart and obvious. One minor adjustment to your post though, we won't have to sit in grid-lock traffic, we just have to sit for 15-20 min at the metering lights to get to these "Pleasanton" facilities
sick of this subject - lets make it a vote by the people -for the people. Sorry if some of you have to walk or take a bus to the poll,
i know you must find it so difficult.
Anybody else tired of a small number of people calling the shots. Yes, there will be increased traffic on Stoneridge because there is NO traffic there now! Yes, there is an elementary school somewhere off of Stoneridge but that is true in many of places in town. Just DRIVE down the street. It looks like it was built to go through. The "cut" through traffic people are talking about won't use Stoneridge because they can't see it from the freeway. They will use Dublin Blvd which parallels the freeway. Not opening Stoneridge will increase traffic through the rest of the city. This NIMBY attitude is a problem. Could I have a private trail in my neighborhood?
The ice facility is in a poor location and I'm afraid its current location is being conditioned by the placement of the proposed Stoneridge cul-de-sac. The ice should be closer to the retail center. Patrons of the rink will be more willing to spend money at the retail center if they only have a short walk over to it instead of the long across-the-park route currently proposed. Either remove all access to Staples Ranch from El Charro or build the complete Stoneridge extension. That will allow for free placement of the ice facility further away from the arroyo and closer to the retail center.
Why don't we build the Las Positas interchange too. Then the freeway traffic will have another avenue to get off the freeway and cut through Pleasanton. How come no one fought against the plan to not build the Las Positas exit?
The plan was to make the freeways work, then build Stoneridge through to Livermore. I think we should stick with the plan.
If Stoneridge Drive is extended, there will be a large amount of 580 cut through traffic. To say otherwise is simply incorrect. Take a look at similar situations all around the bay area (or the US for that matter).
It is a trade off decision:
Do we live with the cut through traffic in order to gain easier access to the new developments on the east-side of town....or avoid the cut through and find other ways to get to the new developments?
This is the real question - not whether or not there will be more cut through traffic.
Brad: The answer is yes.
If we choose to minimize cut-through traffic, then closing Valley at Hopyard and Sunol Blvd at the Senior Center ought to to the job. Oh and Stoneridge somewhere.
I have not seen a single reply to why this extension can't wait until 84 is enlarged and/or Dublin Blvd is put through to Vasco.
Put it to a vote? It's called tyranny of the majority when larger groups dump their problems on a smaller group.
Is Hagerty offering Dublin and Livermore money for Dublin Blvd? If the answer is yes, why can't we do them at the same time?
I have regularly said that Stoneridge so go through, and in the near future. But why does it have to be first?
The land is owned by Alameda County. Who else could they sell it to? Keep the sales tax in Pleasanton. Just make sure our traffic engineer is the best at controlling the street lights to make this palatable. We ALL deal with cut-through traffic somewhere in this city. Send your comments to the city council to support Stoneridge Drive extension. They need to take a brave step and step up to the right thing.
Unbelievable. The comment: "there's an elementary school "SOMEWHERE" off Stoneridge." What an uninformed and uncaring Pleasanton resident.
Most Stoneridge residents do not oppose Stoneridge Drive going through eventually. But to open the floodgates before the gridlock on 580 is fixed would be disastrous for the ENTIRE town. (We're quite clear you could care less about the Stoneridge neighborhood, but it will be awful for all.) Have you ever been to Hayward? Same situation here....a triangle of two major freeways.
FIX THE FREEWAY FIRST AND THEN WE'D BE HAPPY TO OPEN STONERIDGE DRIVE.
Yea, wait until some future date for when the freeways are going to be "fixed". Until that time, the rest of Pleasanton has to suffer under a growing traffic volume that our streets already struggle to handle. Lynn claiming that opening Stoneridge would be disastrous for the entire town completely ignores the disaster already occurring because Stoneridge is not open.
Why the rush? I've heard that the auto mall will not be built for a while now due to the current economic situation. Are we putting the extension in now because some other area of town has cut through traffic so another section of town must even up the score? What good does it do for anybody?
There is an elementary school on Stoneridge Dr. (Hacienda School), not just near it (Henry P. Mohr Elementary School with 655 students). The traffic created from Mohr Elementary is enormous during drop-off and pick-up times. How will opening up Stonridge help there?
How many new retail businesses are opening up in this area? I see businesses closing - not opening.
Let's get the 580 / 84 mess fixed before we move on to something new.
I thought the neighborhood park on the Staples Ranch property could work well when we were promised that Stoneridge would not be put through at the same time. Why is this even coming up now? This is not the time for such a project.
We have definitely become a lazy society. Everything is for convenience. What's wrong with getting on the Freeway to get to Livermore? That's what was built for... With Metering, the traffic congesting on the Freeway has definitely been relieved, except for height of rush hour. CalTran should figure out what causes the congestion on the Freeway and solve it. We should not simply open up the local road for our convenience!!!! Stoneridge drive should not become a 'Stevens Creek Road of Cupertino!!!' We must stop this madness.
Vote against opening up Stoneridge. Stop this madness!
You don't seem to be able to calculate the math, Stacey. You open up a straight shot parrallel to the number 2 worst freeway in the bay area and you will have 1000s of ADDITIONAL cars a day that will besiege this town. This won't alleviate the other areas....it will make Valley even worse!!! We need to look for traffic solutions that help make Pleasanton less congested, not add more reasons and avenues to cut through here!
If the freeway is fixed then we can all enjoy and use the Stoneridge extension without the rest of the East Bay clammering through our town.
I live a block from the western section of Stoneridge Drive. I either walk or bike for 90% of my transportation needs and have been doing so for all of the 31 years I have lived in Pleasanton. Sounds like I should be opposed to the Stoneridge extension, but I'm not.
I have watched as the town has strangled itself by blocking our east/west routes. First, the West Las Positas connection to Las Positas was axed by a housing development. As the freeways filled up, all the Pleasanton traffic going to Livermore had to funnel to Valley and Santa Rita making these roads hazardous. Both of these roads have schools on them.
Even in the best case, it will take years to get 84 widened. We have an opportunity now to have the Stoneridge extension built for free and access to the retail and recreational facilities planned for the Staples ranch project accessible to the residents of Pleasanton. After all, in this case, the dreaded cut-through traffic is us.
Honestly, you know it. I know it. Many readers here know it. Stoneridge isn't a straight shot parallel to the freeway. The majority of cars on Stoneridge are expected to be local traffic. The study from awhile back ago was something like 90%. So 90% will be inconvenienced because of the fear of 10%.
Get your facts straight Stacy. How much more parallel can it be? And local traffic only? Scott Haggarty could care less about Pleasanton residents and our local traffic. He's desperate to alleviate 580 and will use Pleasanton to do so.
And you don't think commuters will jump off of 680, head down Stoneridge where it allows them to end up within 30 feet of the freeway onramp? Or better yet, hop off at Valley to Santa Rita to Stoneridge to 580? Your ignorance is overwhelming.
- I didn't say "local traffic only". Read again what I wrote.
- Stoneridge is a major east-west street, yes. Straight? No. Parallel? No. It is quite far south from 580 and buried by many street lights away from the freeway.
- Have you ever tried driving on Stoneridge from 680 to Santa Rita during commute hours? You'd know then that staying on the freeway is still faster. You can hit almost every red light.
- Any cut-through taking Stoneridge at 680 is already doing it and once they get to Santa Rita they turn either left or right, depending upon their ultimate destination. Most traffic is turning right onto Santa Rita, which is why the City changed that right turn into a two-lane right with a green arrow a number of years ago. Most of that traffic is generated by Pleasanton residents and workers.
I'm done with this conversation because you clearly don't have your facts straight. The traffic study you refer to was done prior to the mess we have on 580. The most recent one shows a horrendous traffic impact if the problems on 580 aren't addressed first. And yes, I have driven down Stoneridge many times during commute traffic...it still far exceeds the parking lot on 580.
Fix the freeway nightmare first. Then open Stoneridge for Pleasanton to use. That way we're ASSURED that the cut-through nightmare I'm referring to (and you refuse to even admit is a possibility) won't ruin this town. Then both sides win.
OK Lynn, I know how to fix the freeway traffic -- forbid anyone to drive on it. You are ignorant if you think people already on 580 are going to get off for a few miles then get back on unless they have a straight shot without stop lights. Stacey is absolutely correct that driving on Stoneridge during traffic times is worse than being on the freeway. Stoneridge was planned to be a through road, clearly you do not want your personal private road to be disturbed. Well, it was agree to and it needs to be done. No one likes true cut throughs (try living on First Street) but people using Stoneridge are far more likely to be locals or next-town-overs than the San Joaquin Valley residents who drive Sunol/First/Stanley.
People who buy in a neighborhood where the plan is to put through the road have no business trying to stop it later. Let me guess, you would buy a house under the approach to an airport then try to make the planes go away. Or buy next to the train tracks and try to make the trains go away. Enough of your nimbyism.
Fair enough. I was done with the conversation when you suggested I can't calculate math or that I'm being ignorant. Your concerns are given more respect by other people when you leave off the personal attacks.
Sell that piece of land to Livermore and let them deal with it.
If there were an election, I'll bet that 98% would vote for the extension of Stoneridge. I'm sorry that the council caved on the Las Positas on/off ramps and the extension of Las Positas through to Livermore in the first place. A few loud voices at the council meetings precluded these reasonable attempts to permit the majority of Pleasanton people reasonable access, and that's a sad fact.
By the way, I moved here 38 years ago, and appreciate that the earlier residents were kind and welcoming to us. Let's keep civil discourse alive.
Wow. I can see that cut through traffic has made you pretty crabby living on 1st street. Clearly none of those people racing down your street are commuters that have hopped off the freeway to get away from 680/580 traffic.
We kept the Stoneridge Extension in the General Plan with the expectation that the regional traffic problems would be improved before we opened it. Otherwise we'll have a mess. Read the report....that's what it says.
It would appear that "resident", who won't reveal his /her name, has no suggestions other than to call people names and tell them, and I am paraphrasing, to suck it up.
Most of the contributions to this blog seem close to mean spirited. Why? Why can't we talk in terms of addressing each others concerns in a constructive manner.
I feel that my concerns over the Stoneridge extension are legitimate. I have lived in Stoneridge Place for going on 11 years and I love it. Rather than dismissing my concerns as illegitimate, why not give me reasons to be less concerned?
When I bought my home new in 1998, I was told that Stoneridge Drive would eventually go through to El Charo. At that time it was not open past Guzman Pkwy. My point is that nobody new when it would be extended to El Charo and that it would coincide with a large 5-lake regional park slated to be completed 15 years from then. I don't hear any talk about that regional park.
Now we are going to have a neighborhood park with a regional 4 rink ice skating complex. This was never part of the plan that I was told when I bought my home 11 years ago.
Why must we do this now Mr. / Ms. "Resident". What is your hurry? I have lived quit well without it for nearly 11 years. It seems to me that when something is broken it is in all of our best interests to fix it. Everyone seems to agree that the 580 / 84 route is causing significant trouble where traffic problems are concerned. Not one person, contributing to this blog, has said that the Stoneridge Drive extension would solve that problem.
Rather than creating other headaches, lets solve the headaches we have head on. Fix the problem with 580 and 84 before creating a new problem on Stoneridge Drive.
I have an idea, pick your kids up from school, go home and help them with their homework, and stay off of Stoneridge during commute hours. Let those of us who need to get around town easily to see clients and shop, have the road free of NIMBY's.Then you won't have to worry that class sizes are larger because you will be doing a parents job of helping your children learn what is important.
I have a better idea. Block off all Stoneridge intersections into the surrounding neighborhoods and build the full extension. Mohr/Kamp goes through.
Tell me Bruce, since both my children (both of whom graduated Amador High School) are now leading lives in other cities in California, and I am Pleasanton business owner who lives in Pleasanton, was your posting supposed to be constructive? If it was, I missed the constructive part. I would really like to read constructive input to this blog.
BTW, for the courtesy of readers, the above post was extreme sarcasm.
Thank you Mr Kelly and others on this subject. I disagree with you on the Stoneridge extension that has been the general plan since 1986, why would there have been a 4 lane road with wide medians and a large sound wall if it was not to be completed to El Charro. It must be completed concurrently with the other improvements on the property. Reasonable discussion on an issue is important, pro or con, but when it disolves into you are ignorant, a math failure, don't have the facts or research straight, or are a jerk, then I wonder if there any adults here, or is this just a kindergarden recess squabble.
Tom, The key point you made in your post was that Stoneridge was supposed to go through when you bought your house. What is different now? It is still slated to go through. Just because the residents have finally decided what is to be on the other side dose't change the fact you knew 10 years ago that it was a done deal. There isn't one driveway backing up to Stoneridge to cause accidents, it has been in the general plan for decades, but just because it is becoming a reality, now it isn't what you envisioned 10 years ago. Neither is my retirement plan. Get over it.
Thank you "grb" for your thoughtful addition to the conversation. Yes we disagree, yet I respect your position.
I have heard that the retail shopping and auto mall won't be built anytime soon. If I wanted to expand my business by building a multi-million dollar facility (especially if I sold cars), I would probably think twice about doing it now or in the near future. I believe the extension will go through in the future to the enhancement of our city, however, at this time, I don't see where the enhancement to the community is. All I envision is more traffic on the east end of Stoneridge and a big mess at the intersection of Stoneridge and Santa Rita.
The sound wall stops at the west end of Snowdrop Circle and resumes again at Trevor Pkwy. For the life of me I don't know why that is.
READ THE REPORT. If we extend Stoneridge PRIOR to improving the regional traffic issues it will increase traffic ALL OVER THE CITY. It's as simple as that.
The General Plan of 1986 is completely irrelevant to this FACT.
Thank you Bruce for almost getting through a blog without ridicule. The issue is not whether or not Stoneridge goes through. We all know it eventually will.
I was not told that the extension would go through whenever the residents of Pleasanton decided it would go through. I was told it would go through when the 5-lake regional park was completed and El Charo went through after the gravel companies were finished doing whatever the gravel companies are doing. This is what I was told, at that time, what the 20 year plan said. And that, at that time, we were 5 years into the plan.
With all do respect Bruce, I ask where the value is, at this time, in having the extension completed? How will this help the residents of Pleasanton?
I've become less concerned about the Stoneridge issue but more concerned about the quality of my fellow Pleasantonites (or whatever we call ourselves).
I have an even better idea! Let's cover over the arroyo and build a flyover parkway!
I have also heard about, but not seen, this report, which is supposed to say how much the traffic will increase on Stoneridge when it is extended to El Charro. My findings are only anecdotal. When I am traveling east on Stoneridge during commute hours, I watch to see how many cars turn north on Hacienda. This would be the most logical route at this time for someone coming north on 680 who wanted to miss the interchange and get onto 580 east. There are very few cars, which turn north. I can only assume that the report may be a bit overstated.
Cut a four lane through from the San Jose area to the Ceres/Turlock area and watch the 580/680 problem drastically improve. Rather silly to have only one route from the South Bay to the Central Vally...
Will never happen. The so-called "environmentalist" would never allow it...
I think that would definitely improve things, but perhaps not drastically. 580 is a major route for trucks and that's supposed to increase. The speed limit difference between cars and trucks contributes to the traffic problems as cars try to weave through the solid two right lanes of trucks. I wonder what the projections for truck traffic are currently considering that the Port of Oakland has seen a large decrease of goods flowing during this recession. And apparently the future picture for the Port economically isn't looking good since Panama is going to expand the canal. That might decrease our traffic on 580.
But hey, let's wait until the Panama canal gets expanded before we extend Stoneridge! Someone else's problem, right?
thank you for bringing an important topic to the local TV station. It was great to be able to see who makes the decisions and is behind the the numerous problems we have with traffic. And I wonder why it only takes me 20 minutes to get down Stoneridge now, after watching tonights show I now why our traffic problem is as bad is it is.
Spoke with a gentleman at the meeting this evening who was involved with traffic studies on Stoneridge Drive. He said that they had folks following cars and couldn't find any which were using Stoneridge as a way to bypass the 580/680 interchange.
Then he didn't try very hard. One morning at approx. 7:00am I exited 580 at Santa Rita and followed four vehicles that exited just ahead of me. We traveled west on Stoneridge and they used the Stoneridge/680 ramp to proceed south on 680. Do you suppose this was an isolated event. I have my doubts...
Perhaps his folks don't get out of bed that early...
Travel east on 580 at 7:00am on a weekday and observed the traffic backed up to the Altamont. Cars out number trucks 50 - 75 to 1 that time of day. Most truckers aren't stupid. They don't want to drive in that type of traffic but you're correct, fully loaded, slow moving trucks do contribute to the mess. I've always contended trucks should have their own roads. Let them run into each other and leave the other roadways for the car crashes...
Hey, doesn't the Chinese run the Panama Canal these days. They can use all that money they get from us to pay for the widening...
I still don't understand why we're using county funding to unnecessarily extend stoneridge rather than fund PUSD...
From the posts it seems that most of those for the extension don't live anywhere near it, so won't be effected by it in the least. I seriously doubt that they would approve of an extension if it added traffic and transients to their neighborhoods. I think that anyone who is not directly effected by the extension should stay out of the conversation about it, Stacey.
It also seems that those people who do not think commuters will ever use Stoneridge as an alternate to 580 do not commute. So all the stay at home wives with nothing better to do than post to the pleasanton weekly should also be dismissed from the conversation.
people who commute regularly will find alternative routes through towns if the freeway is blocked. the traffic reporters will even tell them about alternative off-freeway routes if a freeway is blocked.
extending stoneridge to make it easier for you to get to your day spa while making life harder on the residents directly effected is the height of selfishness. i can't believe the level of arrogance in this town.
Your argument breaks down because everyone in Pleasanton who wants to be able to drive to Staples Ranch without having to take a detour on the freeway is negatively affected. It doesn't matter where in Pleasanton they live.
you validate my arguement. it only matters to you in as much as it impacts the time it takes you to get to your favorite store. we can't have people like you wasting an extra minute or two of your precious time now can we?
you care nothing for the impact it will have on the residents who will have to deal with the added traffic and transients on a daily basis. or the impact it will have on their home value and the quality of their life.
Pleasanton residents pay the taxes that go to fund the mitigation of those impacts. Are you suggesting that a single neighborhood gets to enjoy the benefit of those taxes? Are you suggesting that everyone's taxes should go towards paying for someone else's EVA gate while everyone else has to sit in traffic on the freeway?