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Four businesses cited for selling tobacco to minors

Original post made on Apr 1, 2008

School resource officers cited four stores during a tobacco sting operation last Thursday where minors attempted to buy tobacco products. The stores included Main Street gas station Coast Gas, Arco Gas on Bernal Avenue and Utah Street, Shell Gas on Pimlico Drive, and Plaza Market and Deli on Springdale Avenue.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, March 31, 2008, 2:13 PM

Comments

Posted by 5.0, a resident of Birdland
on Apr 1, 2008 at 10:32 am

The police need to check out the Valero Gas on Hopyard Road more often I see a ton of kids buying cigarettes there.


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 1, 2008 at 12:34 pm

With issues on campus needing to be addressed, why are the "school resource officers" involved in a sting of this nature when there are likely bigger fish to fry right on school grounds -- or immediately adjacent to school property. Speeding/unsafe driving, perhaps?


Posted by Shelley, a resident of Downtown
on Apr 1, 2008 at 2:55 pm

You mean the donut shop near TJ's doesn't sell anymore to minors? That place sucked anyway. You always had to buy a donut in order to buy a pack of cigarettes.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 2, 2008 at 4:48 pm

Gatetree: Smoking kills millions of people. What do you mean, bigger fish to fry? Smoking Kills.


Posted by stan, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 3, 2008 at 12:11 pm

so does ignorance cho


Posted by cursed by intelligence, a resident of Rosewood
on Apr 3, 2008 at 1:47 pm

Stan, unfortunately, ignorance isn't killing enough people. There are way too many ignorant people running around. It's not working.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 3, 2008 at 5:07 pm

Smoking kills!

There are so many drunks and addicts in Pleasanton, be patient and you can watch them drop! As for slobs that steal hats, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Eat too many of those donuts fried in lard and dumped in sugar and they'll take you out too.

As for those ignorant pedophile priests, they've been spared a bullet!


Posted by cursed by intelligence, a resident of Rosewood
on Apr 3, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Do you ever get the feeling that we are unnaturally stopping the process of natural selection? Have you ever seen the movie "Idiocracy?" Check it out.


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 4, 2008 at 6:20 am

Gatetree: Smoking kills millions of people. What do you mean, bigger fish to fry? Smoking Kills.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 2, 2008 at 4:48 pm
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FYI -- traffic incidents kill millions of people also. As do drugs. Both, IMHO, are bigger fish.

I'd prefer the "school resource officers" stay close to school and fix issues before they fan out into other parts of town.

Naturally, and as expected, you are free to disagree.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Apr 4, 2008 at 8:56 am

Thank you for allowing others to disagree...effendi!


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Apr 4, 2008 at 2:16 pm

I think that it's important to get the adults to follow the law before attempting to enforce it among the children. Therefore, this sting made sense to me.


Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Apr 4, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Mike I agree with you. I have seen countless adults go in and buy tobacco and/or alcohol for minors. A week or so ago, I was in 7-11 and saw a group of girls buying Swisher Sweets- hmmm one would guess it's so they can go roll a joint to smoke pot. The girs already looked high as their eyes were red and acted like a bunch of stoned people. But the ones buying popped out an I.D and Im standing there thinking "Ya right, she's not 18. More like 16 with a fake I.D" Also, I've had kids ask me many times when I go to Meiko to pick up sushi, if I would go into the liquor store and buy them beer. Why would want to even waste there time doing so and have the possiblities of getting caught? It's not worth.


Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Apr 4, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Woops, haha not worth it.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 4, 2008 at 2:48 pm

MMM Meiko's...


Posted by ts, a resident of Foothill High School
on Apr 4, 2008 at 9:57 pm

A sting operation for cigarette sales with school resource officers involved is a waste of our resources. I know smoking kills but let's look at the "elephant in the room" in Pleasanton - UNDERAGE drinking. Do you know how many parents, school officials and police are aware of the huge underage drinking problem in this town and they look the other way. I know of 16yr old students caught drinking in a public park - one student behind the wheel of the car - and all that was done was a notification to parents. In another situation the policeman asked "who was sober" in the group to drive the others home. No parents were called. I think we have bigger issues than a sting operation regarding smoking. Parents should be able to tell if their child has been smoking and search for answers as to how they got them. Parents to have a responsibility to parent their own children!


Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Lol Meiko's does sound good. I'll have to make a trip there next week once I'm back in town. I'll make to say "NO" to the kids who hang outside wanting booze


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 5, 2008 at 5:40 am

TS -- well stated commentary! Perhaps if parents were really "parenting" and "raising" their kids, the rest of us funding these "school resource officers" would see the money put to better use elsewhere in our community.

As with everything else these days, we look to others and government to solve our problems for us. Ownership appears to be a thing of the past. Finger-pointing is King.

PToWN94566 -- The things you've seen lack one item -- you making a phone call and asking the Police to take action on those "adults" buying for the under-aged. Afraid to really get involved?


Posted by Wiser Parent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 6, 2008 at 11:22 am

My wife and I are going through a terrible nightmare right now. Alcohol and drugs has afflicted one of our kids and we have had to remove him from Pleasanton. Alcohol and drugs are out of control with high school kids in Pleasanton and those "in the know" are aware of it. It is because of affluence and bad choices made by the kids--not neccessarily bad parenting. City Council is too concerned about World Peace, Global Warming, Red tailed hawks and other nonsense to engage in important teen issues. Businesses are no help-try getting Safeway to move their liquor to a more secure rear location in their store. They say it would cost them too much. They are getting stolen blind by the kids--some get caught, most do not. Jack In the Box parking lot is a hangout for drug dealing and the cops know it but all they can do is cruise through more often as "hanging out" is not a crime. Those businesses busted for selling cigarettes to minors should be prevented from selling cigarettes period. The school administration says they will act but get little info from kids or parents. The city is big on spending $10 million on an arts project but little on a teen center as of yet. Kids are stealing their parents prescription drugs and selling it or taking it to get high and many aren't aware of it. Some go to Hayward or Oakland and get "Medical Marijuana" (yeah, and a council member wants to consider opening a dispensary here--what bull!! Parents go hide when you advise them of what you have found their kids doing--"Oh, it couldn't be my kid!" Very Tragic. But I have acted to save my kid. I have shared with police and the school all info that i have learned or found as a result of our tragedy. Parents need to read their kids MySpace, cell text messages, etc. After all they are your kids and you are first and formost their parents---not their friends. It is a hard job with no "How To" Book. Parents slough off their responsibilities and then wonder "Why".


Posted by Stephen, a resident of Stoneridge
on Apr 8, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Good for the School Resource officers. The kids with cigarettes at school and smoking around campuses need to be addressed amongst other items. Nice to see them out being proactive during Spring Break week.

For the few that say they should have been on campus doing something....did you notice it was Spring Break week?


Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Apr 9, 2008 at 12:41 am

Gatetree I am not going to call the police if I see another adult buying alcohol or providing alcohol to minors. I do not think it's right or moral to do so but at the same time I'm not going to get involved with other people's business.

And Wiser Parent, it's very true that students go to other cities to find what they are looking for.


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 9, 2008 at 5:13 am

For the few that say they should have been on campus doing something....did you notice it was Spring Break week?
Posted by Stephen, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood

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Stephen -- Most "sting operations" are MONTHS in the making.


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 9, 2008 at 5:17 am

Gatetree I am not going to call the police if I see another adult buying alcohol or providing alcohol to minors. I do not think it's right or moral to do so but at the same time I'm not going to get involved with other people's business.
Posted by PToWN94566, a member of the Walnut Grove Elementary School community

__________________

Would you say the same if you saw someone being robbed or stabbed? Providing alcohol to minors is against the law. It has nothing to do with other people's business. Put that cell phone to good use next time.


Posted by 5.0, a resident of Birdland
on Apr 9, 2008 at 11:34 am

In the 50s and 60 is parents or adults saw children doing something they said something or did something, kids were more afraid because everyone was watching them. Now people dont give a rats tootie about anything or anyone and they keep asking them selfs whats wrong with the world today. Wells here is the answer. YOU! everyone need to reach between thier legs and pull thier heads out of their tooties. When you see some one hurt help, when a kid is buying cigarettes call the cops or stop them. Maybe if anyone cared about anything other than themselfs we wouldnt be having discussions like this


Posted by Times Have Changed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2008 at 3:40 pm

For 5.0...

Times have changed...and Pleasanton has changed with the times...

In the past, Pleasanton did not need to espose the Community of Character concept! With the change in the community, and the concurrent loss of community character, tne community gives lip-service to the Community of Character...while abandoning the concept that was unwritten in the past! To the extent that the concept is now esposed...but not followed...demonstrates the hypocracy of many of the current residents!!!




Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 9, 2008 at 7:48 pm

5.0 and Times Have Changed... Voices after my heart!


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 10, 2008 at 5:11 am

PToWN94566 - Someone on this board is asking about Paul Stonebarger -- who was to have appeared in court this week. Why? Because Paul Stonebarger knowingly supplied alcohol to minors attending a small all-night party in Pleasanton on Oct. 19. After leaving the party, Katie McKewon and Laurel Williams were involved in a collision on Foothill Road near Highland Oaks Drive. Laurel Williams died in the crash.

This case is an example of why you should call the police if you see another adult buying alcohol or providing alcohol to minors. But, that's right -- it's not your business.


Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Apr 10, 2008 at 4:29 pm

An adult shouldn't need another adults responsibility to tell him/her to not buy or provide alcohol to minors. If I see someone buying alcohol for a minor no I won't step in and say something- obviously that "adult" has a lot more to learn in life, which I care not to teach him. Now if someone is getting robbed or stabbed, yes I would call the cops. Get off your high horses and stop comparing a stabbing to buying alcohol for minors. Think about reality for a second: yes it would be great to get on a cell phone and call the cops if you see this occuring. But do you honsetly think the police will get there in the 2/3 minutes it takes to buy alcohol? No they won't. Look at what people said about how long it took the cops to get to the scene when that girl died on Foothill Road. If someone is providing alcohol to minors I do hope they get caught. But if you feel that propelled to stop these people, I suggest you become licensed to be a bounty hunter.

Before people can help others, they need to help themselves first. Meaning I'll focus on my life first and the bearded freak at the liquour store second. Or, people should focus on their children (the ones who do go to parties and get drunk) first before strangers in a grocery store.


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 11, 2008 at 4:34 am

PToWN94566 - Reasonable perspective, but I ask this - how do you think this sting started? With people alerting LE to what was going on.

And thanks for the tip/idea for a 2nd career. The way the economy is going, I may need one and we all know crime increases in hard times.


Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Apr 11, 2008 at 8:42 am

Like I said, by all means go ahead and call. Not everybody is going to call so people should accept the fact that people do live their lives for themselves. But some of the comments make it out that I am an irresponsible citizen for not calling the cops and babysitting an adult who buys alcohol for a minor. And if "crime" is increasing during "hard times" in Pleasanton, let me suggest moving to the mountains or some remote location. Pleasanton is still a very safe town. Just because a few kids have picked a rougher path in life doesn't mean the majority of kids do so. Here's some food for thought: maybe if people put more trust in teenagers and stopped treating them like 6 year olds they would start acting more grown up; especially the one's who are ready to graduate high school and move onto college life or the work force.

Again, like I have said I am happy the sting took place. Instead of blaming people who don't find it their responsibility, why not call the places who sold to minors and find out their reasoning for following the law and carding people.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 11, 2008 at 8:59 am

Haha, PToWN94566! Teens magically become mature and responsible adults as soon as they turn 18! It is like a light goes on one day. :)


Posted by Gatetree Resident, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 11, 2008 at 10:20 am

PToWN94566 - Thank you for giving me permission to become involved and to make a phone call. Trust me, that is an area I've never had problems in. As for moving, that is most certainly in the game plan.

As for maturity. Much of that is based on the parents. From what I see, those skills are generally lacking.

Stacey - At least someone gets it. Thank you.