Mitt Romney and the Republican Party of Dumb State, National, International, posted by Oliver Towne, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 13, 2012 at 11:58 pm
This past presidential election should be looked upon a a real learning experience for the Republican Party and its supporters. It exposed the right wing echo machine as it is sometimes called for what it is: A closed system of information and communication which insulates its active players as well as their audiences, and insodoing closes off opportunities for all involved to work towards the 'truth' of politics.
Politics by its very nature is contentious, of course, and its 'truths' aren't as clear-cut as are those of science. People of different political persuasions can be expected to lie at times, to omit some key truths, and to exaggerate the importance of some truths at the expense of others. In an open democracy, however, as opposed to closed authoritarian systems, the truth can be expected to prevail, despite the various kinds of machinations that can come out of actors' mouths. The truth prevails because, when democracy is open, various positions can be questioned and challenged in ways that, at the end of the day, begin to illuminate the lie, the liar, as well as other forms of deception and those who resort to their use.
For although politics is fraught with lies and deception, we do not advocate that it should be so. Indeed, we rightly blame Obama when he falls short of his promises; we blame Romney for his many lies and untruths. And by so doing, we hope that Obama will take additional precautions before uttering new promises; that Romney will think twice before opting for yet another intentional untruth.
We do hold political actors to a standard no less high than those standards we apply to ourselves and those close to us. We want them to tell us the truth, as they know it. And if we think they are resorting to untruths or inflated promises, we want to be able to point that out to them. This is where the right wing echo machine has failed its players and its audiences. In a nutshell, for years now its has systematically sealed itself off from question, challenge, and debate.
Fox News is the exemplar of this tendency. When is the last time you saw Hannity or O'Reilly or Beck or Palin or Limbaugh actually go toe to toe with a respected member from the other side? O'Reilly has occasionally 'debated' the comedian John Stewart, but that has been for entertainment sake. In short, the Fox News commentators and analysts say pretty much whatever they want to without fear of being questioned or challenged. Which means their truth claims don't extend beyond the initial claim itself. Not having to clarify, elaborate, defend, or, most important, amend, they conclude their programs quite self-satisfied that their truth claims are legitimate and beyond dispute.
The Romney-Obama contrast is instructive in this regard. Obama has gone on Fox News to be interviewed. He didn't have to; but his openness to dialogue has influenced his decision to enter into the lion's den of ideational opposition. Can you imagine Bush going onto MSNBC? Can you imagine Romney doing so? If I'm not mistaken, Romney didn't give any interviews at all over the last six weeks of his campaign. One can only assume his wariness of the media outweighed his respect for dialogue and the kinds of 'higher truths' that can emerge from it. No Face the Nation; no Meet the Press. Nothing. Why? Again, we can only assume he was being overly cautious (cowardly?) in the face of the prospect of being questioned or challenged by members in the media.
When Obama flopped during his first debate, he was told so by his immediate advisors as well as many of his supporters (recall Bill Maher's comment about his $1 million contribution going to pot). Romney flubbed badly in both second and third debates, but nary a word of acknowledgement was offered by his supporters. Indeed, they all denied that he fell flat - which appears to have been an easy claim to make since the right wing has so effectively insulated itself from question and challenge. And so it wasn't Romney's fault, it was the moderator's; it wasn't Romney's fault, it was the fault of the 'angry black man' he debated. Romney didn't need to change a thing, because his numerous shortcomings weren't his fault but the fault of a fault-finding liberal mainstream/lamestream media.
Well, this hiving of themselves off from the rest of the population cost the Republicans dearly. Their 'truths' weren't able to carry the day because, as the majority of the populace recognized, their 'truths' were at best half-truths, half-baked, underdeveloped, and hence unsatisfying to most/all communicative beings in an open democracy who come to expect more than that. The Republican Party's cognitive dissonance - expecting a victory in the face of brute, undeniable fact - was akin to some cultish group's journey into the desert in expectation that god will appear to them in a flying saucer.
When the truths one is pushing are one-sided as those that have been pushed by the Republican Party - 'Obama is the laziest president in US history', Colin Powell endorsed Obama because they are both black men, women care about jobs, not their rights as women (and both Romneys, Mitt and Ann refused to debate the issue beyond issuing such a blanket, vapid, invalid claim) - the expectation should very well be that such 'truths' will not gain traction with a thinking public.
And that was the Republican Party's greatest failing. It underestimated how in an open, liberal democracy where free speech is valued, the populace can be expected to get smarter as a consequence of ongoing exchanges of ideas. In brute contrast, the Republican Party has gotten increasingly dumber over recent years. How else to explain this year's line-up of Republican presidential contenders? The Republican Party, from Karl Rove to George Will to Sarah Palin to Mitt Romney has become the party of dumb. Its ideas are stale, hackneyed and, most importantly, unexamined, because it has turned its back on open, contested dialogue and the progressively improved knowledge that comes with it.
Posted by Marcia, a resident of another community, on Nov 14, 2012 at 10:25 am
Wow! A new poster child for the liberals! All mouth and no words. Do you look as dumb as you sound with your shallow, full package ignorance? Biting the nose to spite the face has never been a good idea (how you voted).
Simply two questions: What do you like about Obama (any vision in there)? Who's going to pull the wagon now that entitlement has been bought via votes?
Posted by Lynne, a resident of Dublin, on Nov 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Oliver, I agree with you. We don't do democracy as well as we should in this country. More democracy = a better informed citizenry. The shenanigans of Fox and the Republicans tend to foster ignorance and blind belief. This time the Republicans got the candidate and the result they deserve. And judging from the above comments, they've got a long way to go before they dig themselves out of the deep hole they're now in.
Posted by Dimlynne, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Oliver, I disagree with you. We don't do democracy as well as we should in this country. More Republicans= a better informed citizenry. The shenanigans of Msnbc, huffpo, cnn, abc, cbs, nbc, comedy central and the dems foster ignorance and blind belief. This time stupid, gullible women, minorities and leaches voted for four more years of Obama depression and govt dependence. Good luck to all you lemmings.....
Posted by hoops, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Nov 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm
ollie did make a very good point.Fox,Limbaugh and the gang rarely if ever interview the the other side.Sara Palin will not be interviewed by someone who does not share her beliefs.At least someone like Chris Matthews has repubs on his show almost daily,including tea party leaders.I seldom watch the other shows on MSNBC but I know Maddow always invites repubs on to debate the issues.
If all you do is preach your point of view and do not want your viewers to hear opposing views it says a lot.It is actually very weak.It is very similar to the repubs in the congress who refuse to understand that we need to compromise.
Posted by Mom, a resident of the Ruby Hill neighborhood, on Nov 16, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Liberals are just good liars and great and hiding important information that might have had an impact on the election. Had the pattreaus or truth about Benghazi come out, he might not have been re-elected at all.
Liberals took the lie, lie, lie, deflect, deflect, deflect and race, woman hating, they are all bigots approach.
Posted by Did You Mean Petraeus?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 16, 2012 at 11:41 pm
The correct spelling is Petraeus.
The facts of Benghazi were not revealed by the FBI to the Justice Department because of rules that were put into effect many years ago after Watergate and President Nixon's ultimate resignation. This is because Nixon tried desperately to manipulate the Watergate investigation in order to protect himself. After that situation, rules were imposed on the FBI and the Justice Department in order to allow investigations to proceed without the knowlwedge of the President so that no president could manipulate any investigation.
It was a wise decision.
There will be republican presidents under investigation some day too.
The rules apply to Democrat and Republican Presidents alike and are reasonable and wise.