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The Shouting "Christians" Down Town
Around Town, posted by non confrontational, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jan 27, 2010 at 4:17 pm

You can and will be sued if you harrass these people. Rumer has that the people who have been preaching downtown are affilaited with this group.

Disclaimer: I do not claim to have written this. This was found while browsing and is being reprinted without the consent of the original author, albeit I don't think this person would mind me having it here, I don't want any mistake made that I claim ownership of these words.

I merely agree with them...

The Scam of the Decade

Fred Phelps does not believe what he is doing. This is a scam.

It's a business. They travel the country, set up websites telling you exactly when they'll be there, and using the most inflammatory statements all over the place, just to get someone to violate their rights for profit. Then they sue the military, the police force that was to protect them, and everyone that is around them for money. This is a sham, and it is a trap to get people sued. Every member of his family is an attorney. Phelps does not break the law. What he does is try to make you break the law by trying to punch your sensibilities about everything you hold dear, and then sue you and everyone municipality around him to the max.

This is a scam.

Whether he believes his posters or not is irrelevant.

He's using this as a moneymaking scheme.

Lay one finger on him, do one thing that violates him, and he will sue you, and more importantly, the city, the police department, the US Military, and any private property owner he happens to be standing on to make money off of it.

Let's look at the ways he's trying to get you up in a tizzy to violate his civil rights for profit:

•He says God Hates Fags, God hates the US Govt., that God hates the US Military, God Hates you, and God justifies the killing of others.

Phelps knows that saying 'God' and 'Hate' in the same sentence gets people worked up. He knows that. He knows that people have a knee jerk reaction to that.

•He says that the US Govt. and the United States are evil.

This is another hot button with people who love their country. It is intentional. It is designed to make you take a swing at him. He wants $50,000 from you. He wants a Powerball winner to swing at him so he gets 100 million dollars. It's that simple.

•He goes after homosexuals, he goes after people who are making sacrifices. Phelps intentionally targets people that are being victimized, or good people doing their jobs to create more outrage. He kicks people when they're down. He does that so someone will come up and defend them. Then he will sue you.

•His boards are laminated on hardwood, because he pulls them out of trucks at least five times a week. He also puts them in bright colors for attention, and makes absolutely sure that you can read them at all time. He's phishing you. Everyone must know that.

The most telling tale about all of Phelp's behavior is the schedule he keeps, and the company he keeps as well. The parties sometimes split up and go to two separate state funerals to maximize the profitability of them. There are, at maximum, twelve members to the party. They never stay more than thirty minutes (I assume they realize that someone will do something to them the MOMENT they come out of the vans, and really, after that, they get their camera shots to cause the outrage for the next stop, and then they move on) to maximize their profits, because time is money, and really, they're not interested in the message, because they're just interested in the lawsuit.

See? They don't believe this stuff. If they did, they wouldn't have come to Coretta Scott King's funeral. Because in their doctrine, they don't believe that G-d hates black people who tried to promote Christianity. So why were they there? They were there to make a buck when someone slipped up. They were there to petition the police department for a right to protest, and if they didn't get it, take them to court over it.

Basically, Phelps is playing the Ken Lay, Karl Rove, "Smartest Man in the Room" game where he is willing to do anything (if it be lying or stealing, or telling you God hates you) to make himself rich and powerful. This is his scheme, and admittedly, it's clever, but just downright evil to promote so much hatred in the world.

Tell all your friends about this.

This man is a con artist, and he's not a man of religion whatsoever.

After all, he makes everyone around him a lawyer.

That should tell you right now he is not anything.

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How do I know that Fred Phelps is suing people? I can tell you I just have too much experience around him. I am a journalist in Nashville, TN, and work at a television station that works the Ft. Campbell area. As a television photographer and journalist, I have been trained in all of the rules of private property, verbal conversation, what is legal and what is not legal, etc. (what you can and cannot say, what you can get away with). Honestly, in the last few months, I have seen waaay too much of Mr. Phelps and his crew. Since the war began, I believe they think this is the moneymaking source of a lifetime.

So how am I sure? After the third run in, and not one slip, not one piece of paperwork out of line, I knew something was fishy. My newsman skepticism left me with the idea later that something was more phishy than fishy.

I will tell you where I got this truth about Phelps. I looked him in the eye. I saw that he was way too calm and collected for what he looked like in the media. I noticed that he never made personal statements against a person, which is verbal assault, and an out against a lawsuit. Also, for a religious fanatic, a group of people who pride themselves on personal attacks, he was running a protest so terribly by the books that I was impressed by it. He will not bait a person, ever. He will not make personal attacks. He will make blanket statements. He will look at a person in the crowd that he thinks is gay, walk over to his stack of signs, pull out the appropriate, well designed, easily read, laminated bright board, and hold it up and loudly proclaim that "gays are going to hell" or some such nonsense, and make eye contact, but he will never cross the line of telling that person that they're going to hell. That would be the part that would screw up the lawsuit. He just wants to get them after him, but wants to appear utterly blameless for damages.

They run too tight of a ship to slip up, and at that point, I realized that the objective of the group was not anything religious at all. Someone told me along the way that they were all turned into lawyers after he got disbarred. After that, the stench was just too intense for me. He makes money off of this. He does this so much he has everyone around him do the legal legwork so he doesn't have to pay anyone else.

The last time confirmed everything I suspected about them.

A few weeks later, I saw them again (they LOVE to come to big name funerals) and after I saw the laminated signs change for the audience, I knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

His 'crew' isn't a 'church' as you and I would know. The 'church' are more of a motley crew of family members. Some of them are six year old children that are doing what they're told. I have spoken to them, and they have a lawyers sensibility on them on how they speak to the public. They never make personal attacks. They never verbally assault anyone. For a group of people that are accusing damn near every group of people around them for going to hell, wouldn't that seem odd to you? Do you know any religious fanatics that don't make personal attacks? I don't.

They also don't stick around after the cameras roll. They have an itinerary like a semi truck driver. For them to get cleared for all of these press event protests they're doing, then they have to have someone at home doing all of the setup. For you to get the press clearances by the prescribed times? That's a lot of professional legwork. I should know, I've coordinated a newsrooms credentials when the President comes to town, and that's a lot of phone calls and faxes.

They probably file a load of civil rights violation lawsuits. If a police department looks them up and says, "we're denying your protest right," BOOYah. They just got to sue a police department for the very thing that Americans can't stand, rights violation. I am assuming that this is where they get almost all of their money.

See my previous post. Their beliefs are so riddled with inconsistency. The 'real inconsistency' is that every position that contradicts every other of their beliefs is designed to maximize the number of people that they offend. You cannot be saved to them. You are evil in their beliefs, no matter who you are, and God will punish you like the evil gays/soldiers/innocent people/people who love America/people who are black/everyone else we can think of.

Here's the proof. Who in the world makes a poster that says, "Thank God for IEDs" (Improvised Explosive Devices, aka Roadside Bombs). They are saying God is with the terrorists. Then they say God hates you. And homosexuals. Then when they see you looking patriotic with your American flag shirt, they point the sign at you and say, "Americans are going to hell for supporting this country!" and look you in the eye. NOTICE THOUGH, they never say, "You're going to hell." (That would give a judge an out to deny them their claim.)


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Posted by non confrontational, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jan 27, 2010 at 4:21 pm

Fred Phelps is a self-described "Primitive Baptist" preacher fixated on the few Biblical passages that mention homosexuality. He is the pastor of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, where he preaches that "God hates fags", and that the Biblical punishment for homosexuality is death, followed by eternal damnation to hell. His church is largely populated by the Phelps family, and they are best known for their demonstrations -- holding garish placards writ with vulgar stick-figure slogans and singing upside-down hymns reworked to fit Phelps' message. The group publicly celebrates God's wrath after tragedies and natural disasters, and since September 11 they have regularly picketed the funerals of American soldiers killed in Iraq.

One of the websites is:

God Hates Fags. Com


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Jan 27, 2010 at 4:57 pm

i'll get to all your jibberish later...


Posted by Too wise, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 27, 2010 at 5:29 pm

Sounds like Pat Robinson.


Posted by Lisa, a resident of another community, on Jan 28, 2010 at 8:03 am

I understand someone has created a "Phelps-a-thon" whereby people can sponsor a certain amount of money for each hour that Phelp's group is protesting, then the proceeds are donated to the organization that they are targeting. I love the idea! The more they spout their hatred, the more the organization they target receives.

I, too, have heard that his family is comprised of very litigious attorneys and that this is how they make their considerable fortune.


Posted by Anonymous, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 28, 2010 at 9:37 am

This is stupid. Are you guys telling me that theres NOTHING we can do to stop them from destroying the downtown experience. I was sitting eating ice cream outside coldstone with my family (3 young ones in tow) and we heard all we could take and had to leave. I have driven through downtown with the plan of shopping and dinner and when we saw them out there (once again) we kept driving and went to Dublin. How is this OK? I have a 1,3,and 5 year old that I am trying to raise without having that hatred shouted in their face. It scared them to tell the truth. And I was confused how that was legal.

My next question, how much can they sue for. If I tackled him and bashed his nose in (not teeth, so no dental bill), how much could he be awarded, given the circumstances. I have nothing on my criminal record and can easily take a battery charge without recieving jail time. But what could I loose money wise?


Posted by Bruce, a resident of the Rosepointe neighborhood, on Jan 28, 2010 at 9:50 am

Easy fix, next time you see them park you car in front of them and BLARE your radio as loud as it can go. KD Lang or the Village People would be my choice. The are hate mongers and need to go


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Jan 28, 2010 at 10:24 am

anonny...what goes around comes around. look mr. primitive, no violence please, no violence.

first amendment rights...study up!

America is GREAT! lets be peaceful...por favor!


Posted by Anonymous, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 28, 2010 at 11:07 am

I totally understand and agree with you about no violence. I agree its primitive and shouldn't be used. UNLESS your shouting about FAGS and DEATH to my kids, then I'm going primitive. There are Gods laws and there are governmental laws and then way down at the bottom there are a few laws I set within myself that when you scare my kids with hateful shouts about fags, death, and hell...you get its rightful return. I want to see the same scared look in his eyes as I see in my innocent childs face. And if it takes me mounting someones chest and punching their teeth into their mouth (to get that scared look)... then ...I'm ok and willing.

Like I said before, I walked away. My children were with me and my only concern was getting them out of there quickly. I didn't have time to process everything (the way I do now). So knowing what I know now, I stay away from there. But that only means a local Pleasanton family of 5 will be going to enjoy Dublin or San Ramon instead of our beautiful downtown right around the corner. Until someone can stop this maniac from offending nice families we will be avoiding downtown. I'm sure we're not the only family with this mindset.


Posted by Lisa, a resident of another community, on Jan 28, 2010 at 6:37 pm

Anon - I totally understand how upsetting this sort of thing is when your kids have to see it, too. When you walked away from that you essentially drew a line in the sand - but a good one: that is them, this is us. We will leave them behind and live our lives.

Don't get more caught up in their game than you need to. And remember, they don't have to pay for their legal representation - it's how they make their living. The rest of us do.

You did the right thing.


Posted by non confrontational, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jan 28, 2010 at 8:59 pm

Have a LISTEN to the people (Christians) who have been coming to OUR Down Town for several summer in a row. There are also links where every single "session" is video tapes and POSTED on both their site as well as U Tube.

Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Jan 29, 2010 at 4:19 pm

all anybody has to do is walk away...it's that simple

don't forget mes petites, pretty is as pretty does...walk away...simple...case closed

lots of lawyers provide free legal advice/services because what the street preachers are doing is simply a matter of FREE SPEECH!

are you against the Constitution of the United States? sad...


Posted by kanewj, a resident of another community, on Mar 6, 2010 at 2:18 am

If you're going to copy/paste from my website verbatim, you could at least reference it.

kanewj.com/wbc/


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