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Pleasanton's State Senator DeSaulnier suggests law to block BART strikes

Original post made on Aug 6, 2013

As BART's unions agreed to postpone a scheduled strike against the transit system, one California lawmaker is suggesting legislation that would keep the transit workers from ever striking again.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, August 6, 2013, 7:47 AM

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Posted by Helen
a resident of Jensen Tract
on Aug 6, 2013 at 9:04 am

YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,

This law is exactly what we need and should extend to ALL public sector employment
Private sector workers can strike to their heart's content...but not public sector ones, and that includes firefighters, police, teachers, public transportation workers. Any others that you can think of that interfere with the health and safety of the public....or for which the public pays their salaries?


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Posted by Dom
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Aug 6, 2013 at 9:34 am

This is not necessarily a good thing. Read his statement carefully. This is what worries me ...

"I have been, and will continue to be, a strong supporter of organized labor," he added. "The intent of any legislation will not be to simply stop strikes, but to ensure we produce equitable outcomes for workers ..."

In other words, what will he give the unions in exchange for this legislation? We know he will take care of them, and he will not throw them under the bus (no pun intended).

Be careful what you wish for (from a politician).


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Posted by mm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2013 at 10:23 am

If DeSaulnier proposes this, you know it has to be another gift to the union. His legislation probably states that the unions can get whatever they ask for.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2013 at 11:01 am

what i find soooooooooo funny is that nobody trusts anybody!!!

tee hee...


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Posted by Peter Malloy
a resident of Beratlis Place
on Aug 6, 2013 at 11:43 am

Typical politician; He tried to appease the BART unions and the commuters, but didn't offer a solution.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 6, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

So Cholo, how do you suppose that lack of trust occurred?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2013 at 12:28 pm

I guess lots 'n lots 'n lots of well intentioned liars talking to one another.

Lying is a useful social skill but it doesn't work when folks delight in lying so much that everything comes to a stand still...then again, maybe there's an advantage to calling a halt...or a malt!

I must admit that I do enjoy all the lying, name calling, righteous stances and nobody getting along...sooner or later, perhaps cooler heads will prevail...then again, maybe not!

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if at least 3/4 of the negotiators on both teams hear voices...do you catch my drift? What I wanna know is what the voices are saying.

Also, when people hear voices, do the voices ever cough or stutter?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2013 at 12:30 pm

Correction: Or, requesting a malt!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Also, if you wanna understand what's really going on, you ask the craziest person in town what's happening and you will hear the answer.

That person is none other than a certain looney tunes artist who likes to promote itself! tee hee...

B U S T E D !


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2013 at 12:37 pm

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2013 at 12:38 pm

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Posted by Ski
a resident of Val Vista
on Aug 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm

The bleeding hearts are crying because they are being inconvenienced by workers that have the right to get the best contract they can from management that doesn't want to give an inch. When was the last time that Bart Management took a pay cut,answer never.The idiot that backs keeping Bart workers from striking needs to look around the country at major cities that have laws like this and see how much damage is caused to trains and buses because the unions can't strike.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 6, 2013 at 4:55 pm

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As last reported, BART was offering 8% over four years and the unions wanted 20%. We'll see what the Governor's committee presents. Any employee who damages the property of their employer ought to be fired immediately.


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Posted by Helen
a resident of Jensen Tract
on Aug 6, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Glad I amuse you Cholo. You are probably the only one that finds anything funny in taxpayers who have to dish out more money to overpaid BART workers, if the BART management gives in. All I am saying is that public sector workers should not have the right to strike. You may disagree, but ask the thousands of workers who are inconveniences by strikes and I thin the majority would say no strikes should be allowed. I didn't know that State Senator DeSaulnier was a union man..but if so, lets make sure whatever law he writes doesn't favor unions over the workers...some of whom are also union workers, but from what I read are angry at this greedy union also


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Posted by tim
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 6, 2013 at 7:34 pm

patco


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Posted by Kenny Jay
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 7, 2013 at 6:37 am

How about a law against stupid state senators?


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Posted by Most smart people won't run!
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 7, 2013 at 9:12 am

Who wants a job that you costs more in campaigning than the job pays?

Problem with Politics is most of the people who want the power and the job are NOT the ones you'd want or trust to have it!


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 1:56 am

"As BART's unions agreed to postpone a scheduled strike against the transit system, one California lawmaker is suggesting legislation that would keep the transit workers from ever striking again.

Senator Mark DeSaulnier (D-Walnut Creek), "While I am looking into legislation that could prevent future strikes" "I have been, and will continue to be, a strong supporter of organized labor,""

What Desaulnier is proposing is "Binding Arbitration". That doesn't work for the taxpayers (unfortunately because it "appears" to make sense), and this self admitted "strong supporter of organized labor" is doing and saying exactly what his supporters want him to do. Time and time and again Binding Arbitration has failed to do anything other than benefit the unions at the expense of taxpayers, which is the reason why several cities have recently eliminated Binding Arbitration by arguing against it in the form of ballot measures. Cities that have Binding Arbitration as a means of contract resolution have either eliminated it or want to eliminate it. The reason being the process is stacked in favor of the unions, and many of the BA resolutions have cost cities money they do NOT have.

Binding Arbitration is nothing more than a Trojan Horse being offered to the taxpayers. It Doesn't Work. Please be ware of politicians offering this solution - and vote them out.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 7:53 am

A Trojan Horse ... Open it up and a massive tsunami will come hurtling out and drown us all in debt!

Hey, Arnold. Ever stop to think that when unions go public with their grievances they win so often because their demands are just?

Just askin'. You see, your posts always seem to suggest that anything unions demand must be bad. Are you yet another one of the fascists who desire a strong corporate-govt ruling model over American workers? Thought so.

Keep up the good work.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 8:24 am

Mike Cherry -
Your posts always seem to suggest that if you are against anything a union demands, then you are a fascist. You must be an 11%er. Thought so.
Keep up the good work.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 8:34 am

It's just that I've never seen anything written by any of the posters that suggests they are not fascists.

Care to describe what American 'democracy' might look like without unions to counterbalance corporate power?

Care to describe how your own views, 'No (I really am) Mad', are not fascist?

Didn't think so.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 8:46 am

Mike Cherry -
Then you are not reading carefully.
As for my views?
I think unions can play a useful role. However, if they want to fight, they need to expect the opponent to fight as well. Whining when the punch hurts, doesn't look so good.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 8:48 am

Thank you for your always insightful comments, No Mad, really. Always well-developed ideas. You're an inspiration to us all.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 10, 2013 at 9:00 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

"Care to describe what American 'democracy' might look like without unions to counterbalance corporate power?" Look around, most of American workers do not belong to unions. So, it will look the same. And you are not counterbalancing corporate power; you are fighting BART management, a public organization, and hoping the riders and taxpayers won't notice what it's costing.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 9:23 am

Mike Cherry - Your linguistic leaps to fascism are far more developed and inspirational to us all than I could ever be. Have a great day!


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 9:52 am

It'd look the same, eh? Now if that isn't a delusional statement, based upon blind ignorance, I don't know what is. It appears you folks have no clue as to the workings of American pluralism. Take away unions and corporations face no effective opposition in getting their candidates into office. Look then for a rollback of union-initiated and sponsored improvements for America's working people. But, of course, fascists like Kath and the other goofs couldn't be more pleased by such a prospect.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 10, 2013 at 11:14 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

"'We do not want to put the public in a 60-day cooling-off period. We feel a deal can be made now given the information and the resources that BART has,' Antonette Bryant, president of the local Amalgamated Transit Union, said Friday. 'There is no need to drag this out and hold the public hostage.'"

"Josie Mooney, chief negotiator for the local Service Employees International Union, said the governor's early decision removes the 'pressure necessary to arrive at a deal' this weekend.'"

Both quotes are from today's Chronicle.

Sounds a little bit like a hold up, "Give us the money you have." "Give us the money or we'll hurt the riders." There is no consideration of the costs running into the future; let's just empty the vaults into our pockets. There is concern, however, the hostages have been lost as leverage.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 10, 2013 at 11:21 am

Any comments on how management has conducted itself during this period? Didn't think so. On Kath's closeted fascist view, it's all about that "outrageous roar" of unionized workers. At least the union negotiators showed up to negotiate, unlike Bart's team.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 10, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

From Alicia Trost, BART agency spokeswoman. "'Everyone is still committed to getting an agreement by Sunday night,' she said. 'What it does mean is that riders will not be impacted by contract talks for at least 60 days.' Brown's announcement came after negotiators for Service Employees International Union Local 1021 said they would call for a Monday morning strike if significant progress wasn't made at the bargaining table by Friday." Today's Chronicle. Define significant progress. Sounds like "if things don't go our way."


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 10, 2013 at 7:30 pm

Hopefully, a strike can be averted. However, if the negotiators for the Union and BART don't reach a satisfactory agreement, there will likely be a strike.

My hope is that there will be a STRIKE!

We'll all just have to wait and see what happens. In meantime, please try to cool your jets and not try to incite anger and mistrust.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2013 at 6:59 am

If BART management doesn't give way on its silly proposal to pay BART workers less in 2017 than it did in 2008, I'm with you Cholo. And along the way we can both get a giggle from the anti-union emotionally wounded ones who mount fascist arguments while they fret about the 'outrageous roar' of the unions.


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Posted by mm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2013 at 9:30 am

Management has done a good job in reporting the facts. Management gave a fair proposal and the unions do not like it fair. They want more than their fair share and will go on strike to try and get it. The workers have received a free guaranteed pension at the expense of the taxpayer. That gift should never have been done. I have never heard of anybody in the private sector having the employee part of social security paid for by the employer. Management is being generous in phasing that gift out instead of removing it completely like it really should. I think the best proposal would be to eliminate public employee pensions and put the workers in social security, like the rest of us. Also add 401(k) type plans so the workers can take some responsibility for their own retirement. I see no reason why public employees should receive a much higher benefit than those 'they serve'. The government is supposed to be providing a service to the residents, not the other way around.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2013 at 11:02 am

Plenty of private sector workers have pensions paid for by employer, as is only fitting. Plenty of public workers, too. It's workers who are putting their lives on the line, day after day; it's workers whose life span is on average 10 years less than those of the upper classes.

Sounds like mm never had the good experience of belonging to a union, and so was forced to take the crumbs his bosses flipped his way. Now he wants everyone else to be a sucker like he has been all his life. Pretty sad.


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Posted by mm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 11, 2013 at 2:00 pm

Private sector workers do not have defined benefit pensions where they contribute nothing to it. Some California public workers do and that is being corrected everywhere today.

You are right that I have never belonged to a union but never forced to take the crumbs. I work hard and get paid well for it. Unlike union employees, specifically public union members, if I do not perform, I will not do well, or get fired. I am at-will. My success is dependent on my work, not the number of years in an organization. My salary and benefits are set by the market. If I do not like what I am getting paid, I look for another job. I do spend time keeping myself marketable should I have to look for another job. But Mike would not understand this way of life.

Also public employee unions are quite a bit different that private employee unions, for example, construction trade, which is like the train maintenance employees. In the construction trade, you can belong to a union. That sets your rate. However, the company ultimately paying for your services gets to choose which employees will work on the job. So you have to work hard in order to get a job. In talking with private sector union employees, they feel the public sector unions make all unions look bad.

The other issue is the public sector is a monopoly. In the private sector, salaries and benefits have to be sustainable and dependent on the market condition. If not, eventually everybody loose their job. Just look at the auto industry and see what happened to Detroit. In the public sector, the agency cannot 'go out of business'. They just reduce services and/or tax more, holding the citizens hostage. Personally I would like to see the agencies, like BART, contract for their services. I do not care if who they contact with is a union shop but the process goes out to bid. It will be market pricing. If your company gives a good value to the agency, you will probably will the job the next time it goes out to bid. If your services are not up to grade or your bid comes in high, somebody else will get the contract. The unions in this case need to set a market rate salary and benefit or they will not get any of the job.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2013 at 7:01 am

In other words, the company that comes in with the lowest bid gets the job. Very much like Walmart which sells the lowest priced goods and does so because it capitalizes on its offshore exploitation of child labor and domestic exploitation of its domestic work force. Unionized companies, through negotiations, offer higher wages, better conditions of work, and so can't/won't sell their goods at same prices as does Walmart.

mm accepts hook, line and sinker the myths of capitalism. He appeals to the idea of pure competition in a free market. In fact, neither exists. Any political economy where Walmart owners each possess $160 billion and with most of its workers working less than 40 hour work weeks and at minimum wage is not anything close to a free market. That one fails to condemn the hideousness of such an arrangement speaks to their overall stupidity.

mm fails to acknowledge that unions have internal mechanisms -- work assignments, overtime, peer pressure -- that help ensure that its workers work every bit as hard during the day as mm thinks he works. Probably harder. The difference is that mm seems to like being fired or laid off at will. Doesn't mention the hardship this places on the rest of his family (probably doesn't have one). Isn't afraid of losing his job because of political attitudes or, say, a willingness to vote for a union; being the corporate, bootlicking kiss-up he is, most companies are probably quite willing to keep him on, paying him less than he's worth. Takes all kinds....


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Posted by Dave
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 12, 2013 at 8:10 am

Mike, rather than using Walmart as your supposed example of free enterprise gone wrong, why don't you take a look at Costco? The majority of Costco locations are not unionized. Locations have revisions to their Costco Employee Agreement every three years. Only remotely similar to a union contract, the Employee Agreement sets forth such things as benefits, compensations, wages, disciplinary procedures, paid holidays, bonuses, and seniority. The employee 'agreement' is subject to change by Costco at any time and offers no absolute protection to the workers. In the US, eighty-five percent of Costco's workers have health insurance. This model of free enterprise seems to be working well for both its employees and the general public. Perhaps you have been in a Costco once or twice? That to me, "appeals to the idea of pure competition in a free market".


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2013 at 8:46 am

Costco is an interesting example. Thank goodness approx. 20% of its work force is unionized (Teamsters), thereby having a great influence on the conditions of work and wages as they affect the nonunionized workers at Costco.


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Posted by Dave
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 12, 2013 at 8:58 am

Mikey, Perhaps you missed the statement " The employee 'agreement' is subject to change by Costco at any time and offers no absolute protection to the workers", Somehow the Costco model continues to show that pure competition in a free market works remarkably well.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2013 at 10:42 am

Doesn't apply to the unions, Bucko, and the unions make sure matters are on the up and up re. Costco v. its nonunionized workers.


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Posted by Dave
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 12, 2013 at 10:48 am

As usual Mikey doesn't understand "pure competition in a free market". To him, its always us versus them, i.e. his statement "Costco v. its nonunionized workers", whereas the majority of the working world believes in working together for the good of many. The old "us versus them" is still the old union philosophy which is rapidly being shown the door.


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Posted by To: Dave
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 13, 2013 at 12:30 am

You may be interested in what a leading democrtic has to say on this issue: Web Link


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Posted by To: Dave
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 13, 2013 at 12:34 am

Correction. You may be interested in what a leading Democrat has to say: Web Link


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 13, 2013 at 6:53 am

Wow, I read that the U-T had changed its ownership and become even more right-wing than it previously had been. But for that corporate rag of a newspaper to have printed that silliness is beyond the pale.

Having read Smith, Ricardo, Say, and other 18th century economic theorists, and taking into account how their now antiquated views have been thoroughly discredited, it's not a matter of 'understanding pure competition'. Rather, it is a matter of realizing that such is a myth, along with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Unfortunately, mental lightweights like Dave have lived their lives on the belief that Santa Claus is coming to town any day now. Kind of a laugh, and speaks to how a lack of education can be a severe detriment to folks like Dave.


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Posted by Dave
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 13, 2013 at 8:00 am

Mikey, if you notice, I did not post the link to the article in the U-T San Diego, someone else did; However your reaction to something not favorable to the union is typical. Perhaps someday you will come out of the 18th century into the 21st century. (Guess that has as much chance as one seeing the Easter Bunny!). The only thing getting discredited here is any validity for this particular union and their outlandish demands on the general public.
Mikey, Only Child Syndrome continues!


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