I've been married over 25 years and I keep thinking about what marriage has meant to me. The wedding was about celebrating that with friends and family and getting my religion's sanction. The marriage has been about other things: joint tax returns, the right to be included in my husband's medical decisions, the right to openly declare my commitment to another person.
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Posted by PJ, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 1, 2008 at 4:23 pm
The "it's separate but equal" argument doesn't work either.
There is no ‘separate” under California law as domestic partnerships receive equal protection as marriages (man and woman) and Prop 8 will not eliminate those rights.
Gays can ride the same buses, eat in the same restaurants, use the same water fountains, go to the same schools, enjoy the same legal rights under California law, etc. There is NO SEGREGATION and no discrimination. Those are false arguments.
In the civil rights movement blacks were fighting against segregation, not to be also called "white". That would have ridiculous, just as this is in wanting to be called married (man and woman) when you are not.
Your efforts are misplaced. Work on federal laws and other states to get better domestic partner benefits. The mainstream will support that. Stop trying to redefine marriage.
Prop 8 has nothing to do with bigotry or hate. These are lies.
Prop 8 has no segregation or discrimination issues. These are lies.
Gays enjoy equal and same, not “separate”, state rights under domestic partnership laws.
Prop 8 opponents DO want to teach elementary school kids about gay relationships, thinking we shouldn't just be teaching our own kids about relationships at home. It would not be good enough to teach our own kids, when we feel they are ready, to respect gay relationships and at the same time teach them marriage is between a man and a woman.
Almost all public schools, 96%, would be required to teach about gay relationships as being marriage to kids if Prop 8 does not pass. The State Superintendent of Schools was using word play to lie about it, but his own website contradicts him. This is absolutely true under California law.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2008 at 11:28 am
PJ, it is exactly "separate but equal". Yes, domestic partners receive the same rights as marriages, so there's the "equal" part. However, if they are called something different - & let's face it, they aren't really just *called* something different, it IS different. It's an entirely different process. You can register online for a DP - can you do that for a marital license? (no). So there's the "separate" part. Just the name being different is "separate". Do little girls or boys grow up dreaming to be "domestic partners" or is "married" the accepted term in our culture? You know the answer to that.
And, as far as all this fear mongering regarding children and curriculum... If Prop 8 passes we will have to start using the terms "domestic partners" and "civil unions" with children. YOU will be forcing that issue, not the anti-8 contingent. Why? Well, I am a preschool teacher. I don't want any of my students, who may potentially end up being gay, to feel discriminated against in the future. We will have to make "domestic partners" an accepted term in our culture. "Yes Maria, you can get married someday or register as a domestic partner". If you want it separate but equal, it will have to be EQUAL.
I know many people who vote yes on 8 are not *trying* to hate or discriminate, but that's an unintended consequence whether you like it or not.
Prop 8=discrimination (whether you intend it or not).
Posted by noon8, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2008 at 9:46 pm
so many fears driving the Prop 8 proponents arguments and lots of justifications to hide their true intentions - what exactly is the problem with teaching tolerance AND educating children about ALL types of relationships? I suppose some live in fantasy worlds where hetero couples procreate and never get divorced. The real world is different and involves much more than mommy, daddy and kids.