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THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE IS ON!

Original post made by Foot Race To Victory on Oct 17, 2012

A few minutes into the Presidential debate I realized the candidates were reading from their perspective scripts and redundantly sounding their familiar bell weather platforms. The performance was anything but electrifying. The numbing talk of the "other guys dismal performance" begins sounding like droning bees hovering in the wind.

We have moved into the final phase of the Presidential footrace where the choice becomes ours, the voters. I talk with my well informed friends, and they are split into two diverse camps that only takes a few seconds to understand their position. Previous elections have been about how candidates perform in the ring. This time it's about which direction the public wants to take. It's not about colorful leaders anymore, but ideals, values and the viewpoint of the American voter.

The country has bee widely divided for a long time. Yet, decisiveness has also lost it's nerve racking impact. The three-ring circus is leaving town. It's time for John Q Public to point the way. I hope I make the right choice.

Comments (32)

Posted by Mrs. Mittens, a resident of another community
on Oct 17, 2012 at 1:04 am

No, I was not ill as I might have appeared when I came out onto the stage after the debate. In fact, I had only recently swallowed a mouse. If my husband came across tonight as cheap and tinny, it was because that black buck in our White House had the audacity to criticize my husband's one-trick pony ideology and the lies he resorts to because, frankly, he can't help himself. It is who he is.

Since the public is saying the other guy won, it's time to talk about the bad moderator, the awful format, the three-ring circus atmosphere, the really really general issues that the candidates weren't given a chance to elaborate, without mentioning of course that one candidate did a much better job than the other on this count, too.

All you women out there, I want you to rest assured that my husband has all of you in binders. Binders all over the place! Red ones, green ones, white ones. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go about expurgating this mouse I swallowed toward the end of the debate.


Posted by PleasantonForProgress, a resident of Valley Trails
on Oct 17, 2012 at 7:50 am

Obama did a much better job than last time. I was amazed by some of the questions though, especially the last one, really? Is it so utterly important for the candidates to say how the other has mischaracterized them?
I would also have liked to hear some details about Romney's tax plan, it really bothers me that he thinks I dont need the details and must just trust him.


Posted by mittens, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2012 at 9:09 am

I would also have liked to hear some details about obamas plan for the next 4 years and how it differs from and corrects the debacle of the last 4 years. It really bothers me that he thinks I dont need the details and must just trust him.


Posted by Financial Experience, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2012 at 9:13 am

Trust? Voters and reporters have proven they don't care. Why 4 years ago it was all about blind trust and vague concept of hope and change. Just HOPE and CHANGE. No ideas AND NO history, NO RESUME ! ! ! NOBODY CARED! Like 4 years ago, Obama is still NOT putting forth anything about his future plans...just more of same...NO solutions...scary!!
Romney has a lifetime of financial management experience. He's offered many times more than Obama ever has. My, my could you hypocritically have selective requirements.?.?.?.?.
Obama STILL doesn't understand throwing taxpayer's money AND BORROWED MONEY FROM CHINA at a friend's green dream, does NOT create jobs, money, or energy!!. Yesterday, ANOTHER energy bankruptcy, and more borrowed and taxpayer $$ WASTED ! (hard to move FORWARD throwing $$ into black holes) A Lithium ION battery company, A123, went broke..(assets bought by Johnson Controls).. Funny, just because somebody is nice, or hopes by best (solyndra, A123, OBAMA) does NOT mean they know HOW to RUN THINGS ! Those 'HOW TO' skills are desperately needed. I WANT A PRESIDENT ROMNEY WHO KNOWS ' HOW TO ' RUN THINGS ....and he has the resume' to prove it!! But, people declared 4 years ago, NO resumes are required for this job...,.WHY START now ???


Posted by Financial Experience, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2012 at 10:46 am

A123 was part of Obama's $$5 Billion package for electric cars, making batteries for Fiskar. You remember, that package that also gave $7,500.oo for people to buy electric cars. A123 portion was $250 Million. Obama did A123 presentation in the Rose Garden...they promised 3,000 new jobs......ooops ! sounds like 3,000 more UNemployed ! ! is there no end ???? that will be in the next report.
Please Romney, rescue us and turn this around!!


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 17, 2012 at 12:01 pm

Which Romney do you want to rescue us?I have seen about 10 different Romneys in the last 2 years depending on who he is talking to.I think he is a decent man but is obsessed with being president and will say or do anything to obtain that goal.I have zero respect for the man because of that.He also comes across as a guy .who has never hung out with an average person but has always been surrounded by wealthy people his entire life.He seems totally removed from the reality that most people live in.He really truly seems like someone who understands nothing but wealth and making money.The problem with his so called expertise on the economy is that how can you believe his solution when he will not document the math that does not add up.I voted for both Bush's,Reagan and Obama.I will vote for Obama again.


Posted by Teresa Gressett, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm

I do not think Romney is a decent man. A decent man wouldn't lie the way he does. A decent man would reveal his tax returns. A decent man wouldn't write off 47% of the populace as freeloading, lazy sponges. How can he criticize high unemployment and then turn around and blame people for being too lazy to work? This kind of contradiction doesn't seem to bother him. He wants to be president. Beyond that, who knows? Just remember, if he gets in he'll likely have several supreme court justices to pick. That makes my skin crawl.


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 17, 2012 at 12:32 pm

hoops said: "Which Romney do you want to rescue us?I have seen about 10 different Romneys in the last 2 years depending on who he is talking to.I think he is a decent man but is obsessed with being president and will say or do anything to obtain that goal."

Well, one of Romney's campaign advisors was quite open about what Romney was going to do in a television interview around the end of the primaries. The campaign advisor stated that Romney's campaign positions were like an "etch-a-sketch" and that Romney would adjust his message to the general voting population and that whatever Romney said in the primaries would be forgotten.

I honestly don't know what Romney's true feelings and thoughts are on most positions. Yes, he has made statements about his views on taxes, foreign policy, women's issues, immigration, etc., but nothing ever seems constant. I don't sense a man with real convictions of his own, but more of a chameleon-like character who is constantly readjusting his stated core values depending on what he thinks people want to hear.

The one glimpse I caught of the "real Romney" was in that video clip of him giving his "47% talk" to a group of wealthy supporters. There I saw a Romney that was refreshingly real and unscripted. The problem is that I absolutely hated the statements that were coming out of his mouth.


Posted by Financial Experience, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Richer than Romney, Kennedy never released his or his daddy's returns, nor did our greatest george Washington. Ooops, we didn't HAVE tax returns then.
Sorry for you. I have my friends to 'hang out with'. I want success, and the best recommendation for that is a LIFETIME of success...,.I'll always choose a winner !!
After Woodward latest book of Obama interviews, he concluded Obama is NOT a leader, which is why several issues are left hanging..I WANT a leader. America NEEDS a leader. Sorry you don't have the depth or foresight to go with what is good for the country !.. no not sorry, I'm angry, it has been a rough 4 years because of stupid, shallow voters. A lifetime of experience matters...it shows up in so many ways.
All candidates PLAN and acknowledge what groups of 'VOTERS" then can get, and those they won't get in a CAMPAIGN !!! Clearly, Obama's team has decided to devote the entire last month campaigning fulltime to college kids. After all WHAT do they KNOW about LIFE...,righto VERY LITTLE, AND ZERO ABOUT TAXES. Kids elected Obama last time, I'll be damned if they'll do it to me again ! !
This time they'll have to hide the curling 'O' stickers on their cars, if they continue with this destruction. I want Mr FixIt, or there will be hell to pay on issues that are wrong.
I am terrified what Obama will do, NOW that his first term is BEHIND him ! ! ! ! Like he told Putin, just lay low, want until AFTER I'm REelected, then I can do anything I want ! ! scary, very scary mass transformation, terrifying ! there's a long list....


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 17, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Financial Experience said: "Like he told Putin, just lay low, want until AFTER I'm REelected, then I can do anything I want ! ! scary, very scary mass transformation, terrifying ! there's a long list...."

Don't you worry about Putin. Sarah Palin will alert us if she sees his big bobble-head rearing up over the great state of Alaska on his way here.


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 17, 2012 at 4:49 pm

Finance guy....you more than anyone should know that Romney's math simply is impossible.How can anyone present a huge sweeping plan to the country and not say what he is going to cut.The reason is because he knows that it does not add up.With all the constant attacks on him about his policy,if it did add up don't you think he would revael his magical solution?He would be GUARANTEED election if he presented the numbers and the cong budget office agreed with them,or unbiased leading economists stood by them.It is really quite that simple,and for that reason,if you have ever watched shark tank,I am out.


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2012 at 6:13 pm

For those who have ever run a large organization, you appreciate the approach that Romney is taking with taxes/revenue:
- Clearly identifying the target outcome: stimulated economy for creating jobs, same/increased revenue, rich not paying any less than they do now, middleclass not paying more than they do now,
- Outlined framework for achieving target outcome: reduction in base rates (which Obama agrees with except for top levels), reduction in write-offs to broaden base of who pays takex
- Flexibility in approach to accommodate change journey

This is how leaders make things happen.

I am most struck by the double standard being applied to Romney and Obama on this issue. Where is the scrutinyand on Obama's plan? Have any of you actually done the calculation to determine whether Obama's "tax the rich" will close the gap enough? I have and it doesn't add up.

Really, we should be debating the assertion that Romney makes that the vast majority of jobs are created by small businesses and it is those small businesses that will be hurt if their taxes go up. Every single economist out there will tell you that increasing taxes during a recession is counter productive (and yes with GDP continuing to decline, we are still in a recession or about ready to go into a new one).

Bottom line, taking a dollar from one person and giving it to another does not grow an economy, especially when you are taking it from a productive person and giving it to an unproductive person. Remember total government spend is already 42% of GDP. Is it any wonder that the economy continues to stagnate?

I know I'm not going to change any Obama-leaning fans out there, but please for your own sake and the sake of our country, apply the same scrutiny to Obama's proposed approach as you do Romney. And honestly ask yourself whether the same policies which have kept us stuck in this low-growth mode is going to get us out.


Posted by Mrs. Mittens, a resident of another community
on Oct 17, 2012 at 6:45 pm

It doesn't matter whether the added taxes upon the rich stimulate even more growth than we have seen over the past 30+ months. What DOES matter is that FOX News has told us all along that after the attack on the embassey in Libya, Obama stood in the rose garden and sang hip hop songs in order to attract millions in campaign donations from rich black artists. Also, just like Saddam Hussien had in Iraq, Obama has a double who is sent to air force bases for photo ops with returning coffins, while the real Obama plays in pick-up basketball games. We saw last night how this teleprompter president "performs" without scripted notes. What a travesty. It made me eat a mouse!

My husband doesn't need for the information and intelligence to be collected. He's far more comfortable firing people -- "off with their heads" -- because that's what real leaders do in times like these. Step forward and deliver some cheap shots in order to score cheap political points with Fox viewers. And, besides, he loves firing people. That's why he cares!


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 17, 2012 at 7:58 pm

Less gibberish would be more constructive to the discussion.


Posted by Mrs. Mittens, a resident of another community
on Oct 17, 2012 at 9:07 pm

Yes, let's have more Chamber of Commerce platitudes instead. We need to hear more reiterations of rightwing ideology ad nauseum from GX. Face it, we don't get enough from Fox News, so it's up to GX to add even more constructive noise to the mix. Like the following:

- Clearly identifying the target outcome: stimulated economy for creating jobs, same/increased revenue, rich not paying any less than they do now, middleclass not paying more than they do now,

- Outlined framework for achieving target outcome: reduction in base rates (which Obama agrees with except for top levels), reduction in write-offs to broaden base of who pays takex

- Flexibility in approach to accommodate change journey

No gibberish there. None at all. Nope. Only a poorly educated ideologue who tries to get people to think he's smart by putting together one piece of gobbledy gook after another. I've got news for GX. Hyperinflated hypercorrection for one's educational inadequacies simply does not impress anyone at all.


Posted by Great idea, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 7:50 am

What a great idea:

French President Proposes Banning Homework

Web Link

Maybe this is something Obama can model and pursue in his second term to "give everyone a FAIR deal"!

You've got to love socialism. It is full of such great ideas.


Posted by mittens, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 9:17 am

Yes, let's have more MSNBC platitudes instead. We need to hear more reiterations of leftist ideology ad nauseum from mrs. mittens. Face it, we don't get enough from MSNBC, Huffpo, CBS, CNN, PBS, NPR, ABC, NBC, DailyKOS, so it's up to mrs. mittens to add even more constructive noise to the mix. Like the following:

- Clearly identifying the target outcome: tax the rich to the point where they stop investing, even though confiscating all their money will never balance the budget (what budget?) or reduce the deficit.

No gibberish there. None at all. Nope. Only a poorly educated ideologue who tries to get people to think he's smart by putting together one piece of gobbledy gook after another. I've got news for mrs. mittens, Hyperinflated hypercorrection for one's educational inadequacies simply does not impress anyone at all.

Nope, hyper, hyper, hyper.....try decaf, mrs. mittens and lay off the personal attacks, so typical of leftists.


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 18, 2012 at 10:58 am

GX...I agree that Obama has been very short on specifics but here is the problem with Romney no matter how you want to rationalize it.He is running basically on one issue...the economy.He is presenting himself as the expert and fixer of the economy.Well if you are going to fix something so complex,you need to provide the specifics.Any moron can say I am going to lower taxes on small business.How can he not be specific on the loopholes and deductions he is going to eliminate.That is a simple question.Maybe congress will not go along with his specific plan but he can still present it now.As I stated in another post if his numbers added up he would be broadcasting them in every ad,speech and debate because it would guarantee him the election.It really is that simple.His numbers do not add up under any fair unbiased evaluation.The man so desperately wants to be president.He says anything people want to hear.That has been the one constant over the last 2 years.If his numbers added up are you telling me he would not be specific???Come on.What he is really doing is his one constant.Tell people that he can fix everything and cause zero pain to anyone.Just what people want to hear,but in this case smart people do not believe.Sorry.


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 11:29 am

Hoops - I've voting for Romney for one simple reason. He understands capitalism and a market-based economy and has been very successful operating in this system. I believe we need this type of leader to help get us out of this mess.

Unfortunately, Obama comes up very short on this dimension. As best I can tell, his plan is to continue to redistribute wealth and grow the size of government to be used as a mechanism for redistribution. I believe he fundamentally does not understand the power of markets and believes government's role is to provide top-down control (rather than appropriate regulation to protect soceity and consumers). In all the course of history, this has never ended well, ever.

BTW, I am not one to blame just Republicans or Democrats for our economic mess. They both are at fault for the policies they did/didn't pursue these past few decades. To blame the financial crisis on just Bush/Republicans exposes ones shallow understanding of the dynamics that got us here. IMHO, the Fed and its monetary policy is the chief villan here. It was their dramatic expansion of credit which enabled Wall Street to do what they did and enable so many people to take out home loans that they shouldn't have.

But coming back to your post, you kind of prove my point. You spend the first sentence admitting that Obama doesn't really have a plan and then spend the bulk of your paragraph hammering Romeny for his idea/plan (even though it is much more specific than what Obama has offered so far). Romeny is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I get it that you don't like Romney, and I'm not going to change your mind on that. All I can hope to get you to do is think about what is most important to our country right now and then think about which candidates' attributes fit our needs right now.

Rather than continuing to attack Romney, it would be great to have one of you outline and defend Obama's policies for the next four years. Help me understand why he is the right guy to lead us out of this economic mess we are in.


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 18, 2012 at 12:35 pm

GX said: "....spend the first sentence admitting that Obama doesn't really have a plan and then spend the bulk of your paragraph hammering Romeny for his idea/plan (even though it is much more specific than what Obama has offered so far). Romeny is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't."

From what I've heard of Romney's plans (and he has not been exactly forthcoming on many details of his tax plan), I can already tell that I don't like them. We already went over one specific item on these forums: His plans to increase defense spending despite the fact that the US spends more than defense than the next nine countries on the top-10 list combined. Moreover, the US spends a greater percentage of its GDP on defense than any country on the top-10 list with the exception of Saudia Arabia. Here again is the list of the countries which are the world's top defense spenders. On defense, we outspend all of the following countries COMBINED: China, Russia, United Kingdom, France, Japan, Saudia Arabia, India, Germany, Brazil, Italy, South Korea, Australia, Canada, and Turkey.
(Web Link)

So now you're telling us that we should trust businessman Romney to fix the economy and the deficit even though he's saying that he intends to spend even MORE on defense if he gets elected? That just doesn't compute with me.

If I felt that the Republicans had put forth a candidate who was serious and sincere about fixing the economy and the budget deficit even though it would involve making some hard choices, I might vote for him. But I'm not sensing that from Romney. Yeah, he talks tough about shutting down relatively small items like PBS and the National Endowment for the Arts, but as for the big things that really matter to fixing the budget like defense spending he's just saying what he thinks people want to hear. Put forward someone who is serious and sincere, and I'll consider voting for him, but Romney is a fake.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm

"If I felt that the Republicans had put forth a candidate who was serious and sincere about fixing the economy and the budget deficit even though it would involve making some hard choices, I might vote for him. But I'm not sensing that from Romney. "

I feel the same way, but I also do not think Obama has a plan. The presidential debate was not that informative. Questions were asked but not answered.

I guess I would simply like to know what Obama plans to do that is different from what he has done so far. The college kid who asked about jobs for college grads got a dismissive answer from Romney, and from Obama too - Obama talks about studying: fine, but tuition is way up and new college grads are unable to find good jobs!

I am afraid of what might happen if Romney is elected but I am not optimistic about the country's future if Obama is re-elected. An awful election!

And I am surprised no one (not even Romney) challenged Obama on how his policies are hurting some businesses. This CNN article talks about a company facing bankruptcy because of Obama's policies:

Web Link


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Sam - I appreciate your comments with regards to Romney's approach to military spending. This is one aspect of his candidacy that I'm not comfortable with. He's not a perfect candidate by any stretch of the imagination, but I believe he is the better of the two.

BTW, is Romney's position to maintain the size of the military (save it from the currently planned cuts) or to actually grow it? It would be great if you could reference a Romney specific statement on this? Thanks.


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 1:55 pm

Sam - you may find the following on Romney's military spend plan interesting:

Web Link

While I agree that we need to lead from strength, why can't the military be held to the same standard of other areas of government and be expected to do the same/more with less?


Posted by Teresa G, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Romney has stated clearly in the debates that he wants to add 2 trillion to defense budget. His saber rattling also suggests that he's comfortable getting us involved militarily in Syria and Iran, to name only two, and not to mention China which historically has not been a historico-politico-cultural entity that shows a tendency to back down to anyone.

But like I told my husband while I washed the dishes and cleaned up after the meal I cooked, this is all to the good. The expanded military-industrial complex has been good to us. Our arms investments will continue to add to our wealth. And if we get into a few wars, that would be even better for us. I'd much rather see us as a nation spending tax money on bombs than on education or roads. Because bombs destroy and make us more powerful; improving roads or education just puts us on a path toward Greece. When times are rough, it's sometimes better to have a stupid citizenry. Now, if anyone might have a suggestion on getting my husband to stop drinking his martinis and smoking his stinky cigars while I cook our meals in the kitchen, I'd very much appreciate it.


Posted by hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 18, 2012 at 3:30 pm

GX...Will please address my point that if his numbers added up and were genuine he would be specific.He is not specific about the math and you are ignoring that and saying Obama is not specific either.I have already agreed with you about Obama not being specific and I would like an honest answer about Romney and his refusal to offer real details that can be vetted by unbiased sources like the cong budg off.I am actually offended by Romney/Ryan and their voodoo economics which is what it is until they get real about it.Obama at least is not making the claims about fixing everything with some magical plan that in reality does not exist.Show me the plan and let it be vetted and surprise....I may even vote for you.The reason I do not like Romney is that he has proven by his ability to say anything to anybody that I cannot trust him.


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 3:50 pm

Hoops, I personally am not 100% confident in Romney's revenue/tax approach. But I do feel it is a more honest attempt to present a plan to stimulate the economy while controlling debt than what Obama has presented. What is scary is that neither of the parties have been serious about the debt in recent years (except for Clinton and Bush Sr.).

But to answer your question regarding Romney providing specific details, I don't think he can right now. It's going to depend on specific economic conditions and the compromises he is going to have to forge with Democrats. I guess I'm taking on faith that he will work within the design parameters he has outlined (rich not paying less, middleclass not paying more, etc.). I actually think Romney is a good, honest, moderate person who is caught up in making it through the Republican party to get elected.

One thing I believe Romney is trying to get at but can't state it explicitly is to get all those people who game the tax system to contribute (this happens at all income levels). I think this is what "broadening the base" means to him. I know plenty of people who play legal games to dramatically decrease the taxes they pay when I pay 37% of every dollar I earn. We need to eliminate special interest loopholes have have more people contribute.


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 18, 2012 at 5:21 pm

GX said: "Sam - you may find the following on Romney's military spend plan interesting:"

Yes, I just looked at your link. So Romney wants to set a minimum defense spending floor of 4% of the GDP, while Obama wants to take it to below 3%. Now look at the Wikipedia link I provided of the top-15 countries by military spending. What other countries spend 4% or more of their GDP on the military? I see just one: Saudia Arabia. How many spend 3% or more? Just Saudia Arabia and Russia, with Russia spending a total of about 1/10 of what we spend on the military. Of all the problems that our country has, too little spending on the military is not one of them. How am I supposed to take Romney seriously when he says that he can fix our economic problems while at the same time he's clamoring for more defense spending?


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Sam - in general I agree with your comments on this military spending topic. It does call into question how serious Romney is with reducing our debt. But Obama has proven by his track record that he definitely is not serious about the debt issue.

It is still a Romney vote for me given the other things I outlined.


Posted by Hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 18, 2012 at 6:28 pm

Gx
Thanks for your answer but his lack of specific detail along with all of his changing of positions is lethal to his chances.If he was not guilty of changing his positions more than any candidate in history,he might be able to get by without the details.I believe he will lose because of it and he has no one to blame but himself.Close but no cigar.


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2012 at 7:13 pm

Hoops and Sam - thanks for the civil discussion. While we don't agree on everything and likely will be voting for different candidates, I appreciated hearing your perspectives. Our interechange caused me to think more about the issues before us which is why I post from time to time. It's too bad that the dogma based name calling and ridicule gets in the way so many times on this site.


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 19, 2012 at 7:16 am

One thing for sure, it is going to be interesting post-election to see which one of these polls were most accurate. Here is an interesting one:

The University of Colorado (CU) prediction renowned for perfect accuracy will predict a popular-vote win for Mitt Romney later this month, Campus Reform has learned.

The poll has accurately predicted every presidential election since it was developed in 1980. It is unique in that it employs factors outside of state economic indicators to predict the next president.

CU Political Science Professor Dr. Michael Berry, who spoke with Campus Reform at length on Tuesday, said there is at least 77 percent chance that Romney will win the popular vote.

Web Link

Please hold the disparaging remarks. I'm posting this just as another indicator to watch pre/post election.


Posted by Hoops, a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 19, 2012 at 9:48 am

It really baffles me that Obama will not present a detailed proposal on the jobs and economy.We have 2 people who are really good at playing gotcha but not very good at actually solving anything with details of how.I voted for Obama and will vote for him again but I am not happy.I just cannot stomach Romney Ryan Norquist.


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