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School District serves Chips/Salsa for lunch????

Original post made by Pat on Sep 11, 2012

First school districts declare ketchup as a vegetable. Now, the politically correct powers that be at the District office have just declared Monday lunch meals 'meatless' and now serve 3 possible items as meal choices. Among them --

1. Chips and salsa or
2. Chips and hummus

I was wondering when chips and salsa or chips and hummus actually became classified as a 'meal'?

Comments (75)

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 11, 2012 at 9:05 pm

I bet the chips 'n salsa are tastier than bread 'n wine!

tee hee


Posted by Mort, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 6:59 am

I can see chips and hummus as a meal depending on the type of chips served with it (I mean, baked pita chips for instance), and hopefully served with a side of fruits or vegetables. Hummus are made from beans and contain protein.

I don't think the same can be said of salsa or ketchup.

I sure hope the school district is trying to introduce fruits and vegetables in their meal. It is bad enough some campuses have junk food chains now.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 8:23 am

I've never seen 'chips and salsa' listed as an entree anywhere. It is a snack or appetizer in every restaurant I've ever been to. But the school district is charging a full meal price for it? How can they do that?


Posted by More union theft, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 9:37 am

And we're getting 'charged' for a 'professional' who'll we'll have to pay retirement to as well ! ! WE ARE BEING ROBBED !!!


Posted by ?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 9:59 am

LOL t the post above!
Loony conservative alert!


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:15 am

This blog post Web Link on serving nacho chips as an actual meal for LUNCH says it reads more like the appetizer menu at a TGI Fridays than a lunch menu for elementary school students.

They also comment "Is the person making these menu decisions high?"

Good question.


Posted by PW Reader, a resident of Birdland
on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:32 am

If you go on the school district website, there is an icon for the elementary school menus on the lower right. After clicking through the state and school districts, this will take you to the individual school weekly menus (though each school has the same menu). Here's Lydiksen for example: Web Link

When you hover over the item, the nutritional listing comes up. Note that the 'Meatless Mondays' entrees have plenty of protein. The district dieticians have rounded this out with veggies and fruit, along with milk or juice.

A meal is more than the protein-laden entree; fruits and vegetable are also components. The PUSD menu looks to appeal to a variety of eaters with healthy options.

I hope you and your children appreciate this aspect of the PUSD.


Posted by ?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:37 am

PW Reader, believe me, they won't. They will continue blaming the Unions for it.
It's pretty pathetic, actually.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:44 am

Tim Hunt's column this morning also addresses this so take a look at that. Sounds like the management is feeding the kids cheap, devoid of nutrition junk food (with hardly any protein), charging full price for it.

Actually, rather than the fancy website you pointed to, if you go to the school district main office website, you see this nutrition analysis Web Link

If you click on the nacho chips you see this --
Web Link, which for protein says it provides 0% of daily nutritional value.

If you click on the sauce, there is something disgusting that looks like Liquid Cheez Whiz (gross!) that comes up here Web Link, which for protein is blank for daily nutritional value.


Posted by Jim, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm

Pat, in comparison, there are plenty of options that are nutritious and balanced.

The junky options are probably there because some kids just will not eat anything other than junk food, thank their parents for it.

So, it looks like the PUSD is offering FREEDOM of choice in their meals.

If they don't offer meat on Mondays, it's up to the parents who don't believe in it to pack a lunch, an option that I personally find a much better one.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 12:41 pm

The school district serving junk food (tostidos and cheez whiz?) is not the parents' fault. Do you think the school district staff would eat this stuff? No way.

The school district is not offering freedom of choice. For Monday it is offering either cheez whiz and macaroni, cheez whiz and tostidos or hummus and some other chip that ends up in a dead URL Web Link .



Posted by Jim, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 1:16 pm

I would have to disagree with you.

First of all, I do believe a lot of the staff would eat the junkier options. I know so many adults who wouldn't come close to a vegetable, it is sad to admit.

The school District may be offering these options because if their choices were minestrone soup, quinoa salad or barley stew, the food would probably sit there until it got so old that it would have to be thrown away.

Bad eating habits DO come from home.

Also, I would not consider hummus junk. It is made from whole grains and it is a source of protein.

Yes Pat, they do have a choice. They can eat what is offered for sale or bring their own food. If some families do not know the concept of packing a lunch, because they probably never saw the inside of a grocery store, it is probably time they start making some life choice changes.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm

" Note that the 'Meatless Mondays' entrees have plenty of protein. The district dieticians have rounded this out with veggies and fruit, along with milk or juice. "

The thing is, that Monday it was not even a healthy lunch! Mac and cheese was an option, and that is not very healthy. There are some lunches with grilled chicken that are lower in fat and more nutritious.

I am all for veggie lunches (I do not eat meat), but I do not like how the school district is doing this. If you must offer a vegetarian item, do so IN ADDITION to the meat based food. And at least learn about healthy choices. Again, mac and cheese is not healthy and if you are trying to appeal to vegans: no, that has cheese.

Let each of us parents worry about the food our kids eat, please! If you are going to offer vegan, vegetarian choices do so but in ADDITION to the meat based choices.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm

"Yes Pat, they do have a choice. They can eat what is offered for sale or bring their own food"

Vegetarians can do the same, so why punish kids who eat meat? And besides, I am vegetarian and there is no way I would eat mac and cheese! My kids would not eat mac and cheese either, so who are they trying to appeal to? Unhealthy food choices like mac and cheese replacing more nutritious and healthier meat based food? Why? Whose idea was this?


Posted by Jim, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm

Again, I think it goes back to what will sell.

They offer Mac and Cheese because people will eat Mac and Cheese.

I am not saying I agree with the menu. Personally I would not eat most of what I read.

As far as punishing meat eaters, why? The food being sold isn't being force fed anyone.

and, Resident, I should have you over for my baked Mac and Cheese sometime. It has 5 cheeses (aged cheddar, gruyere, fontina, parmesan and mozzarella). I only make it maybe twice a year due to the same concerns you probably have over it, but, you take a bite of it and you'll see what I am talking about.

:)


Posted by jack, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm

Resident,

That is "unhealthy" in your opinion. The vegan propaganda that says dairy products are unhealthy is nonsense.


Posted by Bob, a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on Sep 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm

Jerry Thorne's for mayor web page says he wants the city to take over some operations for the PUSD in terms of shared services, including HR. Maybe the city takeover should include the entire Business Services department, including the Food Services dept.

I agree with Jerry's approach.

Given that the PUSD is responsible for one of the biggest potential breaches in national security since 9/11, which resulted in intervention from the U.S. Secret Service, Department of Homeland Security, FBI, the U.S. Senate and the GAO, due to it allowing an unlicensed by the state of CA 'sham university' to operate at its headquarters selling bogus student visas, I'd disagree with Pat.

Maybe District personnel are indeed eating 'velveeta' on a regular basis and this is one of the reasons they make such poor decisions --- it could be the Velveeta factor. I mean what other school districts require intervention by multiple Federal agencies, U.S. Senators Charles E. Schumer (D-NY), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), and Chuck Grassley (R-IA), which then triggers Senate hearings broadcast over C-SPAN two months ago.

Maybe district personnel regular eat junk food like nachos and velveeta which accounts for its poor decision making. Now they are foisting this on the kids. This is wrong.


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Sep 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

At least Foothill High School has not caved into the 'diversity' propaganda too much.
Here's their Monday menu:

Whole grain pasta selections with a variety of
sauces and vegetables or Baked Potato Bar with
all the fixins'

Doesn't sound too bad. And for those that ust have falafels or crunchy bugs, you can always bring them from home.


Posted by Bill O, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm

You can always count on the diseased conservative to come up with an (ahem) intelligent input...


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm

"As far as punishing meat eaters, why? The food being sold isn't being force fed anyone."

It feels like punishment because the majority of kids do eat meat.

"and, Resident, I should have you over for my baked Mac and Cheese sometime. It has 5 cheeses (aged cheddar, gruyere, fontina, parmesan and mozzarella). I only make it maybe twice a year due to the same concerns you probably have over it, but, you take a bite of it and you'll see what I am talking about."

Thanks but I do not eat dairy either. Your mac and cheese sounds good though.

"That is "unhealthy" in your opinion. The vegan propaganda that says dairy products are unhealthy is nonsense."

Yes, it is my opinion. The point is: why did they do this? Who are they trying to appeal to? Maybe it is a way to make money since they charge 5 dollars and mac and cheese is very cheap. Maybe it has nothing to do with dietary concerns but with money?

I dislike the Michelle Obama "eat what I say" nonsense, and this is just more of that nonsense. If at least they bothered to learn how to make good food choices, instead of offering meatless options that are not all that healthy or nutritious. Reminds me of MO eating fries right as she is trying to be an advocate for "healthy school food"


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 12, 2012 at 3:16 pm

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The city cannot "take over some operations for the PUSD." They certainly can work collaboratively, and there are districts that do--like park/field maintenance and field usage or summer school enrichment programs. I don't actually want the city running the schools. Anyone watching Chicago teachers' union? 16% in raises over 4 years and they are on strike. Separate funds; separate representation.


Posted by More union theft, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm

Oh good ?, so you say the professional pushing vessel clogging velveta, isn't an employee we have to pay for 'retirement'....like was it an outside contractor??
Most kids like corn but with draught and the rest of the corn crop going into CA gastanks, doesn't leave much for affordable food.


Posted by Peas, not Pensions, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm

I hope this isn't some attempt to divert food money from healthy vegetables and meat to union pensions. And why do we need a union food expert for serving junk chips when the instructions are fairly straightforward -- rip open bag, pour out onto plate.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 4:54 pm

OK Bob, after reading the article from Senator Feinstein's article "Sham Schools Peddle Student Visas to Foreign Nationals" Web Link and Web Link, I retract my previous remark about the school district staff couldn't possibly be eating the cheez whiz and chips. (Are the CSPAN hearings on the web anywhere?)

Who would believe a Nursing/Medical acupuncture clinic in a strip shopping center in Sunnyvale with a youtube account was an actual 'university'? Obviously, this is a fraud.

Regarding Pleasanton, maybe all they are eating over there in the management office of the schools is cheez whiz and chips. The vessel clogging cheez whiz (good description from More Union Theft) must have completely cut off oxygen flowing to the their minds over there.

So I take back my previous comment of "Do you think the school district staff would eat this stuff? No way." Maybe that is all they eat over there.


Posted by Tim, a resident of Castlewood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm

This is just another example of the nanny state. And they want us to celebrate independence in India. And keep the Post Office running 6 days instead of 5. And the high speed rail system is a deplorable fiasco. I have so much more to say, but I'm unable to put all my thoughts into a coherent presentation; it would just come off as ranting. Down with Big Brother.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 5:47 pm

There is a book on Amazon about the Nanny State. The summary says that busybody bureaucrats Web Link with nothing better to do spend time coming up with these things. In SF, these bureaucrats even regulate the amount of water in dog food bowls.

Maybe PUSD should pay more attention to fixing its own dysfunction (that causes over $1 Billion in Federal tax dollars to fix messes they themselves create). Obviously, if PUSD can't detect the different between fake cheez whiz and real food, it won't come to anyone's surprise that the PUSD can't tell the difference between real and sham entities of higher learning.

[p.s. I found the Senate hearing on the Pleasanton fiasco. The webcast "Strengthening the Integrity of the Student Visa System by Preventing and Detecting Sham Educational Institutions" is here ---> Web Link]


Posted by Union protects food, a resident of Happy Valley
on Sep 12, 2012 at 7:13 pm

We need more union nannies guarding the food. Our kids are not being correctly managed by the district's incompetent parents, so the union has to step in and set things right. No meat on Monday sends a strong message to disobedient parents that if you don't send the union some pork, your kids won't get any either!


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 8:14 pm

What nanny or parent would possibly serve kids chips n' dip with this cheez whiz stuff for a meal? If the PUSD is attempting to be a nanny state, you would think they would come up with something better than this cheap gruel. What happened to the Taco Pockets that used to be vegetarian? How about the veggie Pizza? I agree with Union protects food. They are serving cheap nasty stuff on purpose.

Here is the stuff Web Link in 140 oz packages (yum):

water, cheese whey, maltodextrin, modified tapoica (their spelling not mine...frightening PUSD buys food from companies they can't spell tapioca right) starch, modified food starch, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, salt, jalapeno peppers (water, acetic acid, salt, calcium chloride), sodium phosphate, modified cellulose, matural and artificial flavor, milk protein blend (caseinate, whey protein concentrate, whey powder), citric acide, sodium stearoyl, lactyylate, sodium hexametaphosphate, phoshoric acide, mono and diglycerides, annatto color, carotene color.

A case of 6 #10 cans weighs 45 lbs, by the way.


Posted by Really?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm

They also serve salad bar everyday.
Ingredients- real lettuce, real shredded cheese, real carrots, real tomatoes, real corn

The kids have a lot to choose from and are free to select fresh, natural fruits and vegitables everyday.

Of course many choose the "Taco Bell" type cheese- that's not learned at school folks, that comes from our fast food loving nation.

What concerns me more than the nutritional content of the cheese is the bully state of the adults in Pleasanton. This also shows up in the schools, comes from home and exemplified right here by your bully posts.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 8:46 pm

I agree the schools are bullying the community by providing no communication with the community or opportunity to weigh in on their decisions.

How else do you explain the end of year notice on split reading? Also, the PUSD stopped allowing kids to purchase water at lunch at the first day of this school year so of course all the kids with milk allergies have nothing to drink. Of course they don't notify anyone but they put a blurb on their website here after the fact Web Link

They take away instructional minutes and water with no notice to the public. That is bullying defined.


Posted by Really?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm

Im not sure you understand what a bully is by what you have posted.

Providing students with the best possible instruction under the current state of budget cuts is not bullying. You can continue to judge, insult, and complain about the district over their communication, instructional practices, and professional choices for educating the kids in this district, but ultimately they are the professionals, proven successful by their continually rising API scores, the facts. Did you not expect changes with over $25 million in cuts over the past 4 years?

Watch Pleasanton, the more complaining on these blogs just continues to show the effects these immense cuts to our schools is not only having on classrooms, but also those in the community. Just remember that the bully attitudes in schools are also on the rise, just as they seem to be on these blogs.

BTW, all schools have drinking fountains in every room and juice is always available.


Posted by Nomad, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Whether it is California banning foie gras while tens of billions in debt, or PUSD banning meat on Mondays while dealing with program cuts that hurt the kids.......all I see is Nero fiddling while Rome is burning.

No on all tax increases this Fall. Our government institutions have no sense of priority on how to spend the money they already have.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm

I doubt any professional dietitian with a dietitian's license in the real world would be recommending and serving liquified cheese products and tortilla chips for a meal.

Also, the API scores for Pleasanton Unified are not continually rising. What data do you have that they are continually rising?

The latest data on PUSD on the State's website indicates 5 schools had declining API scores or API targets were not met or stayed the same. 9 met targets. Web Link

Harvest Park, PMS, Foothill, Donlon and Lydiksen did not make targets in all subgroups. If you have data that shows they all made the targets on the State website, post the link.


Posted by Nomad, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:39 pm

We have the Humane Society praising PUSD (Web Link) for joining the Meatless Monday movement. Who at PUSD is collaborating with the Humane Society? I am responsible, as the parent and legal guardian of my children, to teach good choices to my children including what to eat. Limiting my children's food choices is not PUSD's societal role. Tim Hunt is right, it is nanny state schools running amok.
Will PUSD be hooking up with PETA with Furless Fridays? Promoting Tofu 2.0 (Web Link) with Tofu Thursdays, hooking up with ACCUSPLIT to have Walking Wednesdays, make PE Meditation Mondays, and.....? The slippery slope continues and it drains resources, time and energy away from the core responsibilities of public education.
Wake up, PUSD. Do you not see this foolishness?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:41 pm

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If you don't like the menu, pack a lunch.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm

Apparently starting with the beginning of this school year, they have also banned the sale of bottled WATER at school for lunch. I guess they will come up with some acronym for that like "WATERLESS WEEKDAY" movement and claim that drinking water is not healthy.

I wonder if the PUSD procurement department, in banning meat on Mondays and in banning Water permanently, is receiving kickbacks from the milk, juice and cheez whiz lobby?

Next, the kids will be given bonus points for fasting during lunch like this school district did Web Link . Peggy Green, former superintendent of the district that was sued for giving bonus points to kids fasting during lunch, is one of PUSD's hired consultants.



Posted by Nomad, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 4:26 am

Stacey - If PUSD believes meat is bad for you, then it should be banned permanently from the district. To declare it as bad only on Mondays teaches exactly what?


Posted by Nomad, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 4:34 am

Pat - In what professional domain is Ms. Green consulting to PUSD?


Posted by Tim, a resident of Castlewood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 5:47 am

It's like Big Sister (mommy) Bloomberg banning 72 ounces slurpee drinks from NY. Or taxing cigarettes. Or placing pollution limits on cars. Or putting up speed limit signs. My speed is my responsibility. And why should the state be able to mandate my kid's driving speeds when this should be a parental matter? And now Nanny State imposed meatless Mondays? With a salad bar, no less. Don't be fooled, the sneeze bar is just there to make everything appear up and up. If our postal servants ate more red meat, the mail would probably be delivered more efficiently.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 13, 2012 at 5:55 am

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Pat said "Apparently starting with the beginning of this school year, they have also banned the sale of bottled WATER at school for lunch." Is this why children are being told they have to have milk, "because it is good for them"? Sounds like this is about the plastic.

And Really? have you had a drink out of those water fountains? Blechh!

I think most parents are aware that schools have sharing tables where every fruit and vegetable students don't eat end up--whether it is sent to school or purchased at school. Best bet is to send lunches with things you actually know they will eat and won't take too long to do so, because they want to be on the playground.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 13, 2012 at 7:36 am

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Why not meatless Fridays, or rather Fish-filled Fridays? Someone might think that's supporting religion. LOL.

Nomad,
That's kind of a strawman question. It's healthier to skip meat some days than to have it every day. It's probably argued that it is better for the environment too, but I think that's irrelevant to this discussion about proper nutrition and how it supports the learning activity. I don't see a problem with having no meat on mondays.


Posted by Tim, a resident of Castlewood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 7:52 am

Yes, banning bottled water -- most nothing more than bottled tap water, blech! -- is all about the plastic that the ever-present environmental groups get so worked up over. And this meatless Mondays business is probably the result of ever-present vegan groups trying to get government to punish meat producers. Once upon a time in Pleasanton there were no concerns about Big Brother. But now he's come into our lives with a vengeance. My strong hunch is that he's buried somewhere in the depths of the postal service and wants the postal servers delivering 6 days instead of 5 because their surveillance cameras, in each server's mail pouch, won't be as effective otherwise.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 8:15 am

". I don't see a problem with having no meat on mondays."

But I see a problem when they replace a nutritious/healthy meat based lunch with junk/non-nutritious food like mac and cheese.

What they served was junk, simple as that. No one can call that a nutritious lunch.

And why meatless? Why not dairy free instead? If it is the animal protein they are trying to replace...well, dairy is an animal product.

PUSD needs to stop this nonsense and go back to the regular menu, meatless Mondays are silly, especially when non-qualified people who seem to know little about nutrition are in charge.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 8:24 am

I see a big problem with no meat on Monday because PUSD is replacing what used to be actual meals with cheap, junk food snacks like chips n dip rather than an actual meal. Did their press releases mention that? Nooooooo.

I see a big problem with no Water because again, the governor several years ago signed a law into place saying that school cafeterias had to have free water available, for instance chilled water stations with cups, in place in the cafeterias/food service areas in school Web Link . PUSD seems to live in some sort of cave so they probably don't know that or can't look it up.

P.S. Nomad, Peggy Green is a superintendent 'coach' with Pivot Learning Partners who coaches superintendents according to the internet Web Link . Also, why does the school district have to hire coaches for their superintendent? Does anyone know if EBRPD has to hire a General Manager coach for Bob Doyle or the city has to hire a General Manager coach for the city's General Manager?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 13, 2012 at 9:05 am

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Resident,

Sure, I agree that what they served for a replacement is a problem. Cheese-flavored low-fat vegetable oil is not cheese. Whether the Monday is meatless or meaty, such items still appear.


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 9:32 am

People, just make your kids lunch. Honestly why would anyone would spend 3.25 on this kind of school lunch?

Seriously can we get this kind of passion into ending staggered reading / the shortened school day? Have you even noticed our k-3 kids have lost two days of school in these three weeks with a short school day and no staggered reading? Why were these days shorter?

Do you know what is happenening with the leveled reading groups? Clue, your children are not being taught at their level for 45 minutes, they're having all the levels together in a classroom. So your child will get a few minutes at best and then can read / work independently. Good use of the shorter school day when they can read independently at home? I think not!


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 13, 2012 at 9:35 am

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Pat, there are superintendent coaches because so many superintendents (1) have retired and (2) those moving up have no experience (used to be superintendents from smaller districts would move "up.") Now there are assistant superintendents or other managers stepping into high-achieving, high pressure districts. They need help from experienced superintendents. Generally, the hiring consultant provides the coach for the cost of travel, etc. They are also known to sit in with boards on the early stages of evaluations of the superintendents.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 9:42 am

Also, the PUSD has this blurb on their website referencing some sort of USDA regulation....

"In an effort to provide nutrient rich meals to students new USDA regulations focus on the healthy nutritional benefits of milk and no longer allow us to offer water as part of the lunch meal."

Of course, that is completely false. Actually the USDA law and subsequent law at the State level that was passed REQUIRES that schools offer water for free as part of the lunch meal in the food service area. Here is the State of California USDA announcement about that which was sent to all Food Service Directors in California schools and the second that was sent to Food Service Directors and all Superintendents

Web Link

To: Child Nutrition Program Sponsors
Number: USDA-SNP-08-2011
Attention: Food Service Directors
Date: June 2011
Subject: Access to Free Water
Reference: 2010 Child Nutrition and WIC Reauthorization, Section 203; SP-28-2011 (USDA Policy on supplying free water to students during the meal period)
Superseded By: Management Bulletin USDA-SNP-27-2012 dated July 2012

and

Web Link

To: Child Nutrition Sponsors
Number: USDA-SNP-27-2012
Attention: Food Service Program Directors, Superintendents, Business Officials, Principals
Date: July 2012
Subject: Access to Free Drinking Water—UPDATE
Reference: 2010 Child Nutrition and WIC Reauthorization, Section 203; USDA Policy Memo SP 28-2011—Revised (Supplying Free Water to Students during the Meal Period); Information Alert USDA-SNP-08-2011
Supersedes: Information Alert USDA-SNP-08-2011 dated June 2011

The PUSD must be Federal and State law offer FREE drinking water meeting certain specifications in the cafeteria. Rather than comply with the law, it has removed the availability of water and then referenced a completely false USDA supposed regulation on its website that does not actually exist.

Rather than comply with the FREE drinking water available in cafeterias as mandated by the Federal and State law, PUSD simply chooses to ignore the law.


Posted by hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 9:45 am

OK, just pack them a water bottle too. Water is free at home. Honestly, how much help do people need to feed their kids and give them a drink of water??


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 9:52 am

hmmmm Honestly, how much help does the school district actually need to comply with the law and provide what the law says they must provide in the cafeteria?

Kathleen, why couldn't PUSD have hired a superintendent with actual superintendent experience? I can't believe there were no applicants with actual experience. If no one applied with actual experience being a superintendent in a previous district, they should have re-posted the job after having an interim superintendent appointed for the short term. How many superintendent coaches do they have to hire?


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 13, 2012 at 10:01 am

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Pat, One reason is that some board's believe they can shape the superintendent, others think they will bring fresh ideas . . . another is that with no money and a lot of pressure, some of the best candidates are either happy where they are or other qualified candidates don't want the pressure. It's not an easy job.


Posted by Libertarian, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 1:01 pm

I'm able to make sure MY kids are fed properly. Why can't OTHER people do the same with THEIR kids? If they can't, well too bad for them, and too bad for their kids. Why should I have to worry about them?


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 1:05 pm

Libertarian, what school sites do your children go to that have water available to drink per state and federal law? And don't have the chips and dip snacks. Do tell. Or do you homeschool them, being that you are Libertarian and all?


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Turn on faucet at home, fill water bottle, put on top. Put in backpack.

Open brown bag or lunch box, insert food that you approve of for your children.

Kids whose parents can't afford the above get free food at school. There is fruit and salad, encourage your child to eat it. I think pretty much anyone can find a bottle for water to use. There are drinking fountains at all schools I think for refills.


Posted by Libertarian, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 1:32 pm

Your questions seem to be rather intrusive if you ask me. My point is that parents should take care of their own, and if they don't well that's just tough. If their kids don't know where to find a bathroom or drinking fountain, maybe they don't deserve to have me waste my valuable tax money on them. That's why CA schools are failing. Too much attention given to the lowly classes that don't have enough potential for me to waste my tax dollar on. We spend money on them and then the whole society becomes just mediocre. If you can't pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, then maybe you should self deport.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Good answers, Libertarian and hmmmmm.

However, regardless of whether kids bring their school lunch or not, the bottom line is that your tax dollars are going to still be paying for school districts to pay for commercial food vendors in order to pay for slime hydrogenated oil/'cheese'/mystery orange goo and fritos, your tax dollars are still going to be paying for people hired by the school district to melt and heat up the stuff.

However, parents will not be paying $3.25 or $3.50 for it so that the costs are covered by revenues. Instead, hmmmm and Libertarian will be asked to pay yet more parcel taxes and state funding propositions for schools because the orange goo and fritos the school districts are buying and preparing are not being bought, but being thrown away.


Posted by Libertarian, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 2:40 pm

Well they can ask for more parcel taxes all they want to. They won't get another nickel from me.


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 3:28 pm

Interesting that I googled Nachos and Cheese and one of the first links to come up was this - Web Link which is a list of "What are your favorite munchies after getting stoned? from a website called Toke N Talk.

I don't think the PUSD lunch menu morphing to snacks you find on Stoner websites is a very good thing.

Meat, turkey, chicken are more healthy than Stoner Snacks.


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm

Ha ha, you're probably right Pat. We'll all end up paying one way or the other! And I guess the kids will probably choose the nachos over the more expensive fruits and veg.! Or maybe that is the plan!


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2012 at 11:29 pm

Interesting this website "the nachos that wouldn't die" compares nachos and cheese slime to Prison Food. Given that at least two Pleasanton school campuses have adopted the so called Prison model, that isn't far off and is keeping with the theme.

"New Jersey parents are calling their kids' cafeteria fare "prison food" — and as anyone who's eaten lunch in our country's public schools knows, that's not actually far off. Exhibit A: nachos."

"Said cheese was roughly the consistency of mayo, and it didn't harden as it cooled so much as congeal and develop a sort of skin. It was a lot like Nickelodeon Gak, which was also popular at the time. You may have seen such cheese at a movie theater or ballgame, but what you probably haven't seen is this: sometime in sixth grade, someone smeared the stuff all over the windows of the shop room, and that cheese stayed. Through sun, through rain, through the ravages of time, the cheese endured. When I came back for a visit in the middle of high school, it was still there. Yes, they had fed us something nature could not wash away."

Click on the website ONLY if you can handle the gross picture.

Web Link


Posted by Really?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2012 at 1:09 am

What a state we have come to, where we dont want to be told what we can eat, but we want to tell the schools what they should have. Where we no longer trust our children to eat the multiple healthy options when away from home, yet we complain if we are told we cant have them in our cities. We cant even have children drinking out of water faucets, it's not good enough for them, yet packing a water container is too complicated? You don't want to pay for services at school, yet when the option for buying is taken away, it's a problem.

Tim Hunt, I think what you have helped exemplify is a greater problem than a nanny state. And the posts on the PW site just further reveal this new state, of denial, blame, complaint, and negativity.

It's no longer ok to say something is going well. Anyone who tries, is bullied. This is the real problem.


Posted by Jonah, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2012 at 7:03 am

Really? had the best post in this (pretty pathetic if you really think about it) thread.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Sep 14, 2012 at 7:08 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Really? They are the community's children, their tax dollars--of course they can tell you what they want their children to have. And kids are kids, of course they will pick the food perceived to be more fun. By the way, why are there unhealthy options in the first place? And why is bottled water, a healthy option, removed? And milk/juice cartons children are being told they must take also should be recycled, so it's not just the plastic (and milk and juice are not necessarily a better choice than water).

People aren't being bullied about things that are truly going well in the district. However, communication is one area that is not going well. No bullying involved there either; just a fact.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 14, 2012 at 7:46 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Really,

Just wondering, do you consider this bullying? Web Link


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2012 at 8:58 am

Stacey, I don't think that the article itself is bullying. It is just pointing out the facts. The Berkeley public deserves to have the background of the individual and their beliefs brought to light.

1. Fact: The USDA and the State say that free water must be available at cafeterias in school districts.
District's Response: The District then withholds water from children that is by State and Federal law required to be free and available in cafeterias. Then it lies in WRITING and puts some reference to a bogus USDA law saying the USDA has itself told Pleasanton to pull water from lunches.

2. Fact: Without seeming any input from the community, PUSD implements staggered reading.
District's Response: So what? We don't care.

3. Fact: Without seeming any input from the community, PUSD declares Monday's Meatless yet then serves the kids in its place Prison Food nachos/oily liqui-cheese, noodles/oily liqui-cheese, or chips/small circular container of hummus.
District's Response: So what? We don't care.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 14, 2012 at 9:19 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Pat,

I wouldn't consider it bullying either. Public schools are democratic institutions, for better or for worse. Some people are not comfortable with that idea.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 14, 2012 at 9:38 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Pat,

In reviewing the menus on the PUSD website, I see that beans are included with the "chips and salsa". The chips are also listed as whole grain. Sounds balanced.

The cheese is still suspicious. Here's the nutrition information for it: Web Link Way too much sodium imho. Yuck.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 14, 2012 at 9:41 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Mac'n'Cheese sodium content!!!!

Web Link


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm

PUSD District Office people, don't you have something better to do than read the Pleasanton Weekly Town Square forum!

This is hilarious! Someone at the District Office is reading this thread and has in fact deleted Nacho Chips and Cheese Sauce that was there yesterday on the second line. Also the Fake USDA
'we can't offer water anymore because USDA says so' is gone.

Here is the cache file of what was there--
Web Link

The nutrition page has been changed to this Web Link

Poof Nachos and Cheese is GONE from the web page at PUSD!

The Nachos listed are a Corn Chip Web Link I never heard of a Corn Chip "Yellow Mini Round Bulk" being "Whole Grain."


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm

For the fake we can't offer water because the USDA says we can't that PUSD also just removed from their website:

Now you see it- (see bottom of Cache file)
Web Link

Now you don't- Web Link

Yes, the District withhold water from our thirsty kids and fed our children cheese sauce that nature could not wash away. But the District removed such reference of that happening from cyberspace!

Hilarious!


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 14, 2012 at 3:18 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Mmmm bean burritos. Stuff it with roasted poblanos and onions too. Yum!


Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Stacey, you are right! Those involved with NachoGate replaced Nachos and Sauce with a Bean Burrito on the PUSD website for K-5 in the last 24 hours! Do you think they will actually change the menus too?

K-5 September and October Menu Item Nutrition Iinformation and Ingredients List- OLD

Macaroni and Low Fat Cheese Sauce
Nachos Chips and Low Fat Cheese Sauce
Hummus and Pita Chips w/grapes and baby carrots
Sweet Potato Waffle Fries
California Roll Sushi
Mandarin Orange Chicken
Vegetable Egg Roll
Fortune Cookie
Pomegranate Sorbet
Pizza
Spaghetti and Meatballs with sauce and mozzerella cheese
Chicken Pita Melt
Chicken Shapes with potato rounds
BBQ Beef Rib Sandwich
Omelet Pita
Steak Pita Melt
All Natural Beef Hot Dog on whole wheat bun
Lunchable - Whole grain bread, Sunbutter, Jelly
Martian Fries



K-5 September and October Menu Item Nutrition Iinformation and Ingredients List- NEW

Macaroni and Low Fat Cheese Sauce
Bean Burrito
Hummus and Pita Chips w/grapes and baby carrots
Sweet Potato Waffle Fries
California Roll Sushi
Mandarin Orange Chicken
Vegetable Egg Roll
Fortune Cookie
Pomegranate Sorbet
Pizza
Spaghetti and Meatballs with sauce and mozzerella cheese
Chicken Pita Melt
Chicken Shapes with potato rounds
BBQ Beef Rib Sandwich
Omelet Pita
Steak Pita Melt
All Natural Beef Hot Dog on whole wheat bun
Lunchable - Whole grain bread, Sunbutter, Jelly
Martian Fries



Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 15, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Magically, mysteriously, somehow, someway, the infamous Nacho Chips N Salsa for all elementary school menus has been REMOVED, replaced by a Burrito Web Link

Check it out.


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm

Can you work your magic on staggered reading Pat, and make it disappear too and magically replaced with an extra 45 minutes of school for the children. Thanks!


Posted by john, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 15, 2012 at 6:04 pm

This is such a non-issue. I don't care a whit that they serve chips and salsa.

Let's talk about pension reform.


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