Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 8:36 am liberalism is a disease is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
The country club must appeal this decision, even if it just delays the inevitable cave in to union tactics. After all this time, why haven't these people bothered to find other work? Holding out for a big payday from their union lawyers or just happy to draw unemployment and union payouts to sit home and wait for a ruling?
Posted by Klisvak, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 8:50 am
Have you ever driven by the Castlewood and watch the strikers? Would you have someone like that serving you a food? The Union has made some progress with the courts, but the members will NEVER accept the filthy Union employees back. That ship has sailed a long time ago. I guess the Castlewood will contract out the food services or members will have to dine in the DownTown restaurants. Just a minor inconvenience.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 9:13 am
I am a member at Castlewood and if the union works who are out walking around with signs think that they will ever serve my table again they are wrong. Michael you think within a week or two everything will be okay? I guess your memory is short, I still remember you calling me rich and rude! I am far from rich and I have NEVER been anything but kind to any Castlewood worker.
Posted by Shawn, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Aug 21, 2012 at 9:58 am
The comment "I hope this will be a wake-up call to the golfers that they need to stop stalling and put us back to work," is very telling about these union scum's attitudes towards their jobs and their employers, who are exactly those "golfers" that pay their wages. One left wing activst judge's decision does not make the unions correct. Keep fighting!
Posted by CCC Member, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 10:01 am
Yea, great idea. The club should appeal. Keep running up the tab. I've got an idea. Why don't you big shot conservative members agree to take on the liability by yourselves. That way you won't bring down the club with you in your zeal to further your Tea Party agenda... if it's not already too late.
Special thanks to the Castlewood Board. Great leadership.
Posted by Private, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 10:02 am
What part of PRIVATE does this leftist judge not understand ??
The Master's Augusta Golf Club wasn't 'required' to take women since they DO NOT TAKE FEDERAL MONEY. In CA any employer can fire at will. and should allowed to provide insurance of employer's choice IN A PRIVATE CLUB. Take it to the SUPREME COURT.
Has anybody talked with Washington Legal, in Sacto. They love test cases to defend rights and preserve freedom.
Posted by Yuri G, a resident of another community, on Aug 21, 2012 at 10:54 am
Castlewood members--it is refreshing that you are being so honest about the class war you are waging against the people who serve you food and take care of you. History is never on the side of supremacists (whether based on class, as in your case, or other characteristics). But I'm glad that you are at least willing to admit that this is where your anger and hatred comes from.
Posted by LOL, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 11:18 am
The beauty of having post-tax wealth these days is that I can spend that money where I want and no one can take it away.
So if a union entitlement mentality takes down another organization, I just go elsewhere to spend my money. Hence, why I don't buy GM cars anymore. In no way do I want to support the bailout of lazy union workers that ruined that company.
Even in this entitled world, there will always be other places to spend my money that provides better products/services for the price.
Posted by Emily R., a resident of another community, on Aug 21, 2012 at 11:22 am
If you read the judge's decision, you will see that Castlewood's resort to bad faith bargaining and other illegal tactics occurred under the "new" attorney's watch. Seems like the Board got some bad advice. $3 million is a lot of dues money. Maybe the members should urge the Board to engage independent counsel to look into a legal malpractice action.
Posted by Hello, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm
The key to this saga is the Castlewood Country Club and the membership can not afford the union workers and the benefits. This situation is occuring nation wide. If is does not make sense in two person economy it will not work at Castlewood Country Club.
The current staff is wonderful. They are very friendly and provide great service. What happens to them if the Union gets back in?
This ruling by the ALJ has to be overturned for the good of all the members and current employees.
Posted by Goodbye, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 2:20 pm
The club cannot afford to pay a portion of family benefits for their employees, but they can pay over $1M in legal fees? Now they get the legal bills AND will have to pay back wages, with interest.
The current staff was hired as temporary workers. That's their job status. It's sad that some of them will lose their position, but maybe you can recommend the members pay a severence package so their transition to another job goes a little easier. I'm guessing your compassion ends once you have to pay a little extra, though.
Forget about the ALJ's decision being overturned. That almost never happens, especially when this victory for the workers was so one sided.
Posted by Hello, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I guess that you are not a member. The health package is not afforable, in that the Club can not afford to pay for the whole family like it did in the past. Most empolyers pay 70% of the health cost and the employee 30 % not 100 % for the individual and if the employee wants to have family coverage the employee pays for the added cost not the employer. If the Union would be more resonable this would not have happened.
Even thou it did happen the service is 5 star, food quality is very high, the facilty is cleaner, and all the shrinkage (missing inventory) has stopped.
Paying alittle extra is not case. The costs are massive and they do not have a limit on future exposure (no ceiling or cap).
Posted by Goodbye, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 3:02 pm
You really should dig a little deeper rather than accept the information that your club managment is telling you. The parties were separated by less than $80k/yr. Rather than settle, the club saw a chance to break the union and went for it. Unfortunately for you and your fellow memebers, there's this little thing called THE LEGAL SYSTEM.
Paying 3 million dollars to save $80k on a 3 year contract doesn't sound like you can't afford health care. It sounds like you have money to burn!
Posted by CCC Member, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm
As a Castlewood member, I'd like to know what my assessment will be to cover the back wages and benefits and just get on with life. I do not want more of my good money thrown at more lawyers to try to appeal something we have little, if any, chance of winning. It's time to suck it up fellow members. We lost. Get over it.
Posted by Member, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Aug 21, 2012 at 4:04 pm
The NLRB is a pawn for unions. It is not an impartial agency. It is not like a court. Management almost always loses before the NLRB. Then they appeal and go to a real court.
Unions have outlived their real usefulness. They were useful 50-100 years ago when some employers had disregard for employees and employees had few options. Now, the majority of employers treat employees fairly, and unions are just thugs.
The public is turning against unions. Unions are using thuggery to get exceptionally high pay and benefits for a few, while most of the public is suffering. The public is particularly upset with public employee unions, where those employees are getting exceptionally high pay and benefits, much higher than the public in general, and the public in general is paying for all that through taxes.
Posted by Get a Clue, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 4:16 pm
What percentage of NLRB appeals are won in the circuit courts? Less than 15%. Thanks for the lesson on the status of labor, but you might want to base your recommendation on some facts.
I agree with you on one thing, the majority of employers treat their employees fairly. Others won't accept an offer by the employees to reduce their benefits cost by 30%. They demand a 50% reduction and take away their jobs if they won't comply. That's why there are still unions.
Posted by Goodbye, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 6:14 pm
The union's offer for health benefits was capped.
As for whether or not the NLRB is part of the legal system, they enforce the National Labor Relations Act, which as far as I can tell is "law". From the NLRB web site:
"Congress enacted the National Labor Relations Act ("NLRA") in 1935 to protect the rights of employees and employers, to encourage collective bargaining, and to curtail certain private sector labor and management practices, which can harm the general welfare of workers, businesses and the U.S. economy."
Posted by Pleasanton Golfer, a resident of the Laguna Oaks neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Wow - when you read the messages from Castlewood members - who would want to associate with people with such hate in their hearts?
How do you sleep at night? Is it really all about you?
We're talking about basically 60 Hispanic families vs 3 over priced
attorneys and a club with some pompous arrogant beliefs. These people that were banging their drums and serving your food were fighting for their jobs. Something you may never have to understand coming from such privlege.
I learned a long time ago that you get what you give. We'll guess what? You'd better be prepared to start giving.(paying) If the message above is true, that less than 15% of these judgements are overturned, then you had better stop kidding yourselves. Get out your check books!
Posted by Another Member, a resident of the Bridle Creek neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm
My husband and I have been disgusted at the way Castlewood's Board has behaved throughout this ordeal. We've stopped much of our dining and drinking because neither of us feels comfortable being served by scab labor. We very much look forward to return of what was a very friendly and helpful staff. It appears justice will have been served. Maybe someone will blame the outcome on BART and Obama!
Posted by Vinny, a resident of the Valencia neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm
I have seen the strikers an I honk and wave to encourage them. To those of you who say they will never allow "unionistas" to serve them food: Castlewood has a new item on the menu............Crow......enjoy!
Posted by Paula, a member of the Harvest Park Middle School community, on Aug 22, 2012 at 8:21 am
As this thread shows, some of the Castlewood members have always been very vocal and public about their hatefulness toward the people who serve them. At first I thought this was shameful. Now I see that it actually helped the workers win the case! The judge found the lockout illegal because it was motivated by anti-union animus. As evidence, he quotes pages of hostile comments similar to those above. So, Castlewood members who want to appeal to federal court - be aware that your comments describing human beings as "filthy" and "scum" are on the record.
Posted by Nosy Neighbors, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 8:39 am Nosy Neighbors is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
So you're telling me that a "judge" working for the National LABOR RELATIONS Board actually sided with a group of LABORERS?
Once again please remind me, this is newsworthy because...?
CCC is a private organization and can do as they see fit to operate their company as a profitable entity. The workers have screwed themselves with their attitude and by listening to their union bosses.
Posted by Klisvak, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 8:54 am
To all angry pro union commentators:
Have you all forgotten that Castlewood Country Club is a NON PROFIT organization? It is not like Apple, Google, Facebook or hundreds of other profit generating entities. Are you ignoring it because it doesn't fit to your pro-union agenda?
Castlewood is in a category as your church. A Non Profit.
Posted by Jorge M., a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:17 am
What a travesty. Another prime example of the the coordinated actions of SEIU, illegal immigrants, and socialist politicians (including judges). When are people going to wake up to the evil represented by this troika? If Cook-Callio or Thorne vote, as council members to support the SEIU, any sensible person sure as h*ll would not vote for them to be Mayor, as it would be clear their primary purpose in being Mayor is to be a pimp for the unions.
Posted by Mr Ex P-Town, a resident of another community, on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:26 am
Will the person that can live in CA and support a family on less than $40k a year (all in cost) - please stand up.
Regardless of your political affiliation - The incompetent board and management of Castle"hood" is the exact reason why the rank and file workers need a union. There will always be dirtbag egos like Clauser's who want to step on the throats of workers.
Clauser and his cronies had multiple opportunities to make this problem go away before it got to this point.
If I was a member of the "hood", I'd be making two calls - one call for Clauser's ouster and the 2nd call to an Attorney and sue the arrogance out of Clauser and the other Board members to pay out of their own pockets the cost of this charade
Posted by Get a Clue, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:29 am
"How about bringing back those poor, abused workers. Then, close the restaurant. After some time, re-open as a non-union shop."
Why didn't Castlewood's board think of this. This is a great idea. The workers would never think to exercise their rights at a later date. They'll be too busy spending the $3 million in back wages they are about to receive.
Keep the great idea's coming. I'm sure the Castlewood members are all ears.
Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:36 am liberalism is a disease is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Mr ex ptown, who ever said anyone owed these people a living? We're not talking about a career here, these are jobs usually filled by young people in college or struggling between careers. Your position is that they should be making the same wages as professionals who spent time educating themselves and working their way into a position based on their experience. This is the kind of unrealistic, dillusional thinking that has caused unions to fall out of favor and loose their former prominence in many areas of business.
Posted by Mr. Ex P-Town, a resident of another community, on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:45 am
Too all the Anti-Union posters,
You don't get it. This fight was NEVER about wages and benefits - it has always been about a Board of Directors wanting to break the union - and putting the entire club and its members at risk of significant loss to achieve the goal.....
What is the savings the club is enjoying with the non-union workers vs what the Union had agreed to?
Posted by curly, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 10:37 am
Get a clue needs to get a clue. The discussion about developing the properties started some time ago. Meetings have been held with the planning department and I know of at least one proposalthat has been drawn up for high density housing on part of the hill course.
There are a number of other country clubs within 20 minute driving distance of Castlewod that would be happy for all the new members they can get.
Posted by CIAD, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 1:16 pm
"Posted by Klisvak, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 8:50 am
Have you ever driven by the Castlewood and watch the strikers? Would you have someone like that serving you a food? The Union has made some progress with the courts, but the members will NEVER accept the filthy Union employees back. That ship has sailed a long time ago. I guess the Castlewood will contract out the food services or members will have to dine in the DownTown restaurants. Just a minor inconvenience."
Posted by Malcolm Gee, a resident of San Ramon, on Aug 22, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Well, it's time to pay the pauper (er' I mean Piper).
Ignorance and Arrogance strikes again...well done CCC!
I am seeing a tremendous amount of "cut off your nose to spite your face" ideals being offered by angry members and overall Pleasantinians.
Your nose is gone...deal with it. CCC leadership continues to be overmatched by the guy mowing the lawn!
I know it hurts, but stop the bleeding now.
Many paid $60k to join before this lockout, now the membership is worth $12k. Sure we can blame the economy, Obama, Jerry Brown, et al. But it is the Right Wing at CCC who owns this mess.
Losing value in a club membership comes with the territory, but being assessed thousands per member is 100% on the board.
Private or a non profit, it doesn't matter...you need to follow the law.
For the genius comparing CCC to Augusta...I was a little insulted that you would compare yourself to a Private Club in Georgia---that is until I read many of the posts in this string. Your members ARE like those in the South---EVEN MORE THAN I THOUGHT!
Posted by Shiva, a resident of San Ramon, on Aug 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm
After 2 years of crazy ranting, I wouldn't want the workers to serve my food either.
And to "Hello". You need to look back 2 years at the earliest postings and then you can see it was CCC members who started the hateful postings. If being called "rich and rude" is what you call hateful, grow up.
Bring on the Tequila Girls so the CCC men can lap away their hurt feelings!
Posted by Goodbye, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 10:48 pm
We disagree on whether workers should have the right to collective bargaining. Since the NLRA was passed almost 80 years ago, my position is the legally correct one. You are entitled to your opinion on whether or not you agree with the law, but it is still the law.
I encourage you to research the facts in this dispute, and then make a judgement.
It looks like the union workers may be coming back, if so I hope you will set an example for other club members by treating them better than others on this board have.
Posted by J, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2012 at 8:04 am
This makes me sick.
Castlewood is a five star country club... we have 2 18 hole golf courses. I grew up in the neighborhood and am utterly disgusted by the these union laborers. First and foremost the old employees service was nothing when compared to those that were brought on. The quality and demeanor of the wait staff changed dramatically because the new staff were happy to be in a position where they had a job at a great country club.
There is nothing respectable about going on strike for 3+ years. There was nothing peaceful about there demonstration (it's called domestic terrorism), it was intrusive and made living in the castlewood neighborhood uncomfortable. As far as I'm concerned these employees should have moved on and persevered. Take your experience from your previous employment and move on to brighter pastures. Do not sit back ruin hard working Americans lives, while cashing in on your 99 weeks of extended unemployment.
Appeal the court decision all the way. Don't settle with these terrorists, because that is what they are. They brought the occupy Oakland movement to my home. How would you feel if an organization bussed a 300 person angry mob to your neighborhood to wreck the private property that you pay for.
Terrorist; a. a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon
Posted by Realone, a resident of another community, on Aug 23, 2012 at 11:00 am
After reading all the posts, a few thoughts come to mind.
1)Jim Clouser is but one of 9 CCC Board Members who only act on the wishes of the majority of CCC Members. He does not deserve to be singled out for the Club's actions.
2)If blame was to be assigned it would have to include all the past CCC Boards who failed to negotiate a reasonable contract with this union. Instead they signed contract after contract that led to these outrageous benefits for workers.
3)As a lifelong resident of the Bay Area, I remember how many unionized plants that have long since moved on to more resonable labor markets. Take for example the automobile and truck manufacturing plants that have closed. GM in Fremont, Ford in Milpitas, Chevrolet Truck in Oakland, GM Parts Center in Oakland, International Harvester in San Leandro,Dodge Truck in Oakland, and Catapiller in San Leandro. These were all union plants that paid high wages and provided large benefit packages to hourly workers. They are all closed. These companies are all still in business, they are just not making their products in the Bay Area. They have moved production to other (right to work) states where union membership is not mandatory. How many jobs are lost due to union greed? Thousands!
Unions started out as a good idea. They were useful to compensate for little or no wage and hour laws, and very few worker rights. That is no longer the case. States, and the Federal Government have many laws protecting US workers. Now it seems that unions have become parasites that suck the life out of many industries and companies in our country. They make it impossible for us to compete in the manufacturing of most products. They don't care if they drive the company offshore or worse yet out of business. They only look at short term, certainly not what is best for their members long term. Ask any of the many who lost their jobs at GM.
4)Castlewood and it's Board are doing what needs to be done to try and keep their club healthy in this difficult economy. There are many choices of clubs in our area and none of Castlewood's competing clubs are unionized. How are they supposed to show value to members and prospective members when they are forced into a non competitive situation?
Just some things to consider as this situation progresses.
Posted by Larry Ferderber, a resident of the Rosepointe neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2012 at 9:11 pm
#1 Not true the President, along with the Executive committee, lead the strategy and negotiations with little detailed disclosure to the rest of the board or the members. It was their agenda, never discussed with the membership before it was launched.
#2 Not true while CCC health benefits were at the high end of the local market in 2009 the Union agreed to lower the costs by over 30%, falling well within the market if the Club had agreed. Any sins of earlier Boards were erased at that point.
#3 No comment not relevant to CCC situation
#4 Not true The total compensation in the Union proposal was essentially the same as the Clubs final proposal at the time of the lockout, and well within the market. The cost to fight the Union has been more than 3x what the cost to settle in early 2010 would have been not counting the pending NLRB judgment.
Posted by Shiva, a resident of San Ramon, on Aug 24, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Hit a sensitive nerve with mention of the Tea party huh? Were you around the day the Occupiers marched with the union members, and citizens from various Pleasanton churches? It was peaceful. Didn't see what you decibe as scum. You are a hateful pathetic excuse for a human being. Oh sorry. You are not a person, you are mittens.
Posted by Rightway Eddie, a member of the Horizon High School community, on Aug 24, 2012 at 6:17 pm
The occupy movement is full of sick liberals whose illness is to support Obama. The tea party movement is filled with god-fearing patriots.
Watch the sick libs twist and turn when Mitt jokes about Obama's birth certificate. But Obama the supreme commander can joke about Mitt's dog tied to the roof of his car all he wants to. Yes, the story about Mitt's dog did happen, true enough. But the story about Obama not having a birth certificate, just like the stories about him being a Kenyan socialist who wants to impose a world dictatorship on all of us and convert golf courses to wind farms, is true, too.
What separates the right from the left is that sick libs don't know how to reason.
Posted by Toady Bartender, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2012 at 2:18 pm
What's wrong with a bunch of wealthy guys feeding off of America's workers? That's the way it's supposed to be. Always has and always will.
P-town Citizen sounds really envious. Who wouldn't want to drink tequila off the bodies of attractive young women? I'd sure like to give that a try! That's why I'm voting for Romney. Because maybe he'll help me get rich like he is. And then I can move from licking the boots of the rich to licking salt off of young women's tummies.