Attention First Wednesday Night Parents and Teens Around Town, posted by Appalled, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 11:30 am
I would like to say how disgusted I felt witnessing rampant stealing by, not just one, but several unsupervised groups of tweens and teens from a downtown merchant last night. The "pack" mentality, sense of entitlement, and blatant lack of regard displayed by these teenagers was sickening. You thieves know who you are. You didn't just take from a "store", you took from real people who have a family to support, good people, I might add, who have given back to support YOUR and our community.
I hope the store's surveillance system captured those responsible, and that they are prosecuted.
Posted by Local Gal, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Unfortunately, this is not because of out of town-ers coming in on BART. I work at a local store where we have regular customers visit the store and many of these regulars are local kids. The kids who chose to steal and have been caught on our store's cameras are children I know from the community. It's extremely disheartening to know this is happening. I really urge parents to discuss theft and the consequences with their children and I hope the store this woman was in does prosecute.
Posted by Similar Story, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 1:37 pm
As a person who also works at a local business I would like to say that I completely agree with the above users' post. Too many times I have seen or caught children shoplifting from the store I work in. I feel like my hands are tied in many of these cases because I don't want to wrongfully accuse a child of stealing but also feel I need to protect the store. What are my rights as an employee? How far am I allowed to go when I see a tween steal? Our town needs to do something about this and let these children know they are not entitled to steal things. More importantly, the community needs to start backing up our small businesses and say, "we won't allow this behavior".
Posted by steve, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Inevitable. With the tides of liberal birdbrains flying into the city like locusts, and with more low income housing added on that, store owners will have to nail everything down. We live in the time of a nonchristian, noncitizen president and our failure to uphold traditional values (hard spanking) is what ends up being the result. Caterwaul all you want. The hordes are upon us.
Posted by Guest, a resident of another community, on May 3, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Out-of-towners' aren't going to come to a local street event to pick pocket or steal petty items from general stores. The few times I have gone to the street fair events on Wednesdays, there was always groups of teens sitting on the crubs, watching people go by. O if parents could be a fly on their child's shoulder on these evenings! (And no, not all kids do this.)
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Mission Park neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 4:27 pm
If a crime is observed, especially with young people, why wouldn't you say something to the children and to the store owner? I personally would say something such as, "You need to pay for what you just took or put it back." Silence is an affirmation of the bad behavior. We all have a responsibility to be helpful to both children and to each other in this community.
Posted by Tango , a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Believe me this is not new. When I was growing up in Orinda , we were alouwed to leave the campus of Orinda school and go down to Orinda Village to get food. I remember the kids who would come back with pockets full of gum and candy. They had shoplifted it and were trying sell it to the kids that stayed on campus. This was 1947. So you see it is not new and it can be our own kids, not people who come in on Bart, that are the guilty ones. Parents do you know what your child is doing when they are not with you? Maybe they aren't the wonderful children you think they are. I learned the hard way when my child ended up in jail, that I had know idea what he was doing when out of my control . He then went on to bigger things and landed in prison. Don't keep your head under your wing. Find out what your children are up to.
Posted by franco, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 7:28 pm franco is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
As I read this: "I...witnessing rampant stealing by... several groups....from a downtown merchant...", the question struck me immediately - why didn't you walk up to the merchant and let be known what's going? Did you? Or just sat back and watched?
Posted by PD scare, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 11:27 pm
The kids need to spend several hours in a cell, while the PD tries (slowly) to reach parents. Call it 'thinking' time for the kids...could cause a pause next time they're cruising with questionable friends,
Posted by steve, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on May 3, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Yes, PD Scare, Tango's son was put in jail for a time, and it kept him out of prison. Well, not exactly, but I'm sure it scared the bejesus out of him, which is a pretty stimulating thought in and of itself for authoritarian types like us, don't you think?
Posted by Mr. Geeneyuss, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 4, 2012 at 8:36 am
You can' expect our darling, perfect, gifted, 8th place participation award winning youths to actually take any criticism that might impede their creative instincts from somebody like an ADULT or PARENT can you?
We have to let our children find their own way and path that fits their own personal growth. It's not really "shoplifting" it's more their way of freeing goods from the capitalistic infrastructure and redistributing them back to the 96,97,98,99%...right?
Please, if you are a local store owner, employee or shopper and see this happen, call the police, detain the "little darlings" do whatever it takes to scare the bejeezus out of them and hopefully the cycle of entitlement can finally be broken.
Attention Helicopter Mommies, if you don't fix junior the correctional institution and the general public WILL!
Posted by David, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on May 4, 2012 at 8:48 am
As a police officer, all I can say is you should have told an officer assigned to the event. There are 4-6 assigned to the Wednesday night event every month. While they are often spread out, it is not that hard to find one.
The behavior you witnessed has been happening since the dawn of time. Kids often do these things to fit in and be cool. The problem is that adults no longer act to stop these type of incidents, because all to often they become demonized for overreacting to childish behavior.
I have found that a strong hand and swift punishment changes bad behavior like this. The liberal approach of looking past this type of behavior is enabling it , not stopping it.
Posted by Amazon, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on May 4, 2012 at 9:20 am
Right after this story was posted, the first posts again blamed BART and Obama. Both of which have absolutely nothing to do with this. As Tango noted, when we all were kids (and I mean everyone, including all the posters here) this exact same type of situation happened. And if happened, regardless if you lived in another state where there was no BART station, and it happened when Reagan was President. So it would be great if here in the forum, if people could respond to the issue at hand, without giving their same old canned partisan responses that they immediately post up there to essentially whatever topic is being posted/discussed.
Posted by DowntownGuy, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on May 4, 2012 at 9:21 am
"Inevitable. With the tides of liberal birdbrains flying into the city like locusts, and with more low income housing added on that, store owners will have to nail everything down. We live in the time of a nonchristian, noncitizen president and our failure to uphold traditional values (hard spanking) is what ends up being the result. Caterwaul all you want. The hordes are upon us."
Wow, do people really think and talk like this? Where am I? Alabama, in the 1920's? Let me get this straight: Spoiled and undisciplined kids are shoplifting and it's because you still can't believe that more than half the country elected a President you don't like? And people who disagree with you are "hordes" of "birdbrains" and "locusts," and most likely "nonchristians" and gasp, maybe even "noncitizens" to boot. Nice. Very nonjudgmental, civil, respectful, and Christian of you.
Posted by Shannon, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on May 4, 2012 at 10:38 am
As a Police/Fire Dispatcher, I too am surprised that an adult witness would not intervene or stop this type of negative behavior. If it's because you are afraid to be involved, all you needed to do was alert the store owner and walk away.
Now, as a parent of two teenagers that attend our Pleasanton schools and who both attended Wednesday's street fair; I absolutely would want to know about the incident and would punish my kids for such behavior. As for sueing the store or accusing them for harrassment, that is just dumb. If a child/teen/adult chooses to steal, then they choose to accept the consequences when they get caught, which may include humiliation, being chased and/or physically detained until the proper authorities arrive and restitution if/when appropriate.
Life is full of choices and consequences; it's NOW that we as parents need to help our children learn to make the right choices; by talking with them, knowing what they are doing and who they are with and by constantly being involved.
Posted by Melanie, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on May 4, 2012 at 11:34 am
Steve and Mitt…are you for real? Blaming BART and low-income residents! No way children that come from a well to do family would shoplift, slash tires, do drugs, etc.?! Laughable, how do you have a competent discussion with such idiocy?
I am glad to see that the rational comments are so far the majority in this thread.
Posted by Stacee, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on May 4, 2012 at 8:57 pm
WOW-How lame you are-it was not even BART related but probably some spoiled Pleasanton kids thinking it is do no harm-If you saw it, why didn't you jump in? I would have AND have done it in the past. I will do it again next time I see some spoiled punks doing it.
If you didn't want to get involve there are several pleasanton PD officer on duty on Main street -call the police they will be there in a heartbeat.
Sorry to burst anyones bubbles-but Pleasanton kids are not perfect and yes they can do wrong.
Posted by JuJuBell, a resident of the Jensen Tract neighborhood, on May 4, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Way to go Melanie-thank you for your comment. SO SO True. As for Steve in the Stoneridge neighborhood-YOU are so ignorant saying it is low income kids. chances are it's kids with parents that have high income and are just too spoiled to give a crap. I live in Pleasanton, own my home, own three vehicles and am not rich neither are my kids but I don't see my kid being a trouble maker since we are low income.
Get your head out of your A** and smell the flowers.
Posted by steven, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on May 5, 2012 at 8:30 pm
I admit it is not only low income housing kids doing the dasterdly deeds. We have a new elite political class -- children of wealthy state workers -- who are mostly Democrats because they enjoy the handouts they get from Democrats at taxpayer expense. This new political elite class installs liberal "morals" and "values" in their snobbish, entitlement-grubbing kids. The result is mayham in our city streets. To the fine ladies and gentlemen of Pleasanton. Hold onto your wallits and purses.
Posted by steven, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on May 6, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Juliet is a perfect example of the elitist entitlement class. Her kids pilpher all kinds of goods from job creating small business heroes, and all she can do is call it "inappropriate." Yeah, like a belch in public is inappropriate. Stealing is a crime. And I don't care how old the criminals are, they deserve to spend hard time behind bars as a wake-up call. As for their parents? Let's strip them of their huge tax payer backed pensions and see how elitist they sound. Go ahead, Juliet, once again ignore the real issue -- govt workers kids have run amuck -- and criticize me for my spelling instead. I pity you.