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on Apr 22, 2012
"This plan calls for more opportunities for nightlife that's reflective of the composition of the community, a place where authenticity and historic character are retained, with core service establishments "
let me translate, ok you can serve wine past 10pm but dont have to much fun. and wrap it up by 11;30
How much is this going to cost us in police overtime? How much revenue will be lost by reducing conditional permit fees? How much will taxes be raised to pay for the increased arrests and property damage from fighting? How much will the union bosses take off the top? What about paying for extended clean-up crews?
City Council, haven't you got the message yet? I am TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!!
Before allowing outdoor music, or ANY amplified music, ask the people downwind of Barone's how they like listening to the loud music at night. There is a tunnel effect and the music is often almost unbearable. Allowing bars to serve after 10PM is fine, it would be nice to leave an event at the Firehouse and be able to get a glass of wine or cup of coffee. Remember that jerk who owned the cigar store and put in outdoor speakers? He played music all day and often "forgot" to turn it off when he left at night. People on Second Street and beyond could hear every word of it and he was never cited. If you have decible limits it is important to cite anyone who exceeds them.
This article points to residents of First Street as if they should allow limitless noise and parking problems simply because they live there. How would you like to come home on a concert night and find someone parked in your driveway? Chairs set up on your lawn? Someone sitting on your porch because no one seemed to be home? Moms dragging their kids to your house to use your bathroom because "the public toilets are just not clean enough"? Those residents know how bad it is during concert nights, I think most of them probably purchased knowing the concerts went on and I am not aware of a single one who has tried to stop the concerts. Should they, as well as all Second St residents, now be subjected to amplified music on EVERY night?
PDA may be trying to push this but I predict a big rebellion from people who know that the entitlement mentality of people in this town often walks all over the rights of property owners to live in peace.
Make conditional permits that carry still fines for EVERY violation and that will be permanently revoked after, say, three legitimate citizen complaints. Then you might have the approval of people who know that once something is allowed in this town, it has a life of it's own and cannot be stopped. Consider the sleazy nightclub on Hopyard -- even a shooting is not enough to cause the city to revoke their license.
Amen... it's about time Pleasanton considered this. I've been downtown in the evening... with a mean age of at least 50, the crowd down there is not the type that will be fighting in the streets!
I worry most about that 50 year-old set. Motorcycles and guns is my experience, and don't we have enough of that already? Well, I'm not talking about me and my neighbors owning our own firearms for protection of our property, that's our right as specified clearly in the Constitution, but I'm talking about big burly hairy guys on their choppers and the disreputable women they showcase on the back of their bikes.
If the PPD could set up a large metal detecting device on Main St. and forced everyone to pass through it, that might go a good ways towards convincing me. Otherwise, the place just becomes a magnet for Sonny Barger Hell's Angels types. They smell and they're scarey. They hide behind their toys for tots antics but deep down they all have a cruel streak.
Aww HELL no! You're right, Noreen, plus what about the cost of the drug-sniffing dogs they'll have to bring in.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I DON'T WANT TO PAY MY TAXES!!
There once lived a neighbor of mine in Castlewood who was an accountant by day and a Hell's Angel at night and on the week-ends. I would hear his heavy engineer boots clobbering down his driveway and knew that shortly after he'd be starting up his ghastly noise making machine. He'd bring loose women to his home and they'd use the pool in his backyard and I'd eavesdrop sometimes and hear them talk about all the cruel pleasure they got scaring the good people around them.
That's what I'm deathly afraid of. Pleasanton will become a mecca for the Hell's Angels and we'll all be left frightened and unable to do anything. Has anyone seen Marlon Brando's "The Wild Bunch"? Well, I'm here to tell you that it could happen here. I also don't like paying taxes, but if our usually inept police force could somehow guarantee that a really big metal detector could be constructed on Main St., then that might discourage the big and burly ruffians on their motorcycles. The main point is to keep bad people away from P-town.
Once again the crazies come out of the woodwork.
'Noreen', the main point is on the top of your head.
Are those last comments for real?
You freaking people are insane!! Noreen and Jim!!! So we can serve wine past ten, I'm sure all those bike guys with their guns are super excited to have a glass wine in up-tight Pleasanton.
CRAZY!! Don't ever comment again on anything.
Pleasantons night-life is always going to suck. We have too many rules and people complaining all the time.
Even if the bars do stay open later they stop serving alcohol at 12pm.Whats the point of staying at a bar if you can't drink. Last call is 2AM so keep serving till then.
Do what you want, but I prefer evenings at home with my family.
I like spending time with my kids, my wife's a great cook, I can get my drinks the way I like them, and I don't have to be around people with appetite control issues.
We go to Walnut Creek and Danville to spend our money after 9:00pm seems they handle it OK. And just think how happy PPD will be, instead of trying to catch locals rolling stop signs they can get more big time DUIs.
Mike, I think that's your best post, ever. I'm sure you represent the majority of residents in town, but to each his own. At least we don't have to worry about getting pulled over for DUI.
I also suggest that they allow the farmer's market to expand some...maybe on the other side of Angela. Some vendors have told me they aren't there all year round because there isn't enough room... in the summer they have to make way for produce vendors. I've been to other farmer's markets where they sell breakfast burritos and coffee, etc. This market could definitely grow some more.
We spoke with one of the managers at the market (someone in an official shirt) who told us they want to grow, but they are not allowed. Just like the stories we hear from the restaurants...we want to do more but are not allowed.
Glad that Pleasanton is considering more for downtown and hope it continues.
The ignorance and prejudice of posters on here constantly amazes me. We will continue to pay high taxes because you people want nothing that would bring in addition tax revenue by business and development. So individuals must make up the difference You talk property owners rights, yeah ask the Lins about that. A large portion of this town is only interested in what they consider their own personal agenda and change their positions to fit their selfish wants, not what is best for the town.
Why do people wonder why banks are the only businesses interested in moving into the downtown area?
What's wrong with another bank? I think people should have a choice to shop for as many banks as possible. Increased competition between banks leads to more good deals like free toasters and stuff. I've been using an old toaster my mother got with S&H Green Stamps some years back. I'd love a new one.
We go to downtown Livermore for later night dining, etc. Also we do Danville and Walnut Creek. Downtown ptown doesn't quite get it. Ptown is a great place though. But we don't have the right people to pull it off.
Noreen & Jim,
Really ? Pleasanton... A Mecca for Hells Angels, Union Bosses... Metal Detectors on Main Street ? Get a grip people... Get some therapy... Get a Dewars Double after 10:00 pm downtown with a Valium back... Jim needs one of the Disreputable women that showcase themselves on the Choppers & Noreen needs a night with a burley Hells Angel... LIGHTEN UP
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